Those people they interviewed were idiots. The mall shouldn't come down- it reminds people that people lived here before they did. Some of us are from here you know?
City of Phoenix is GONE! It has long been. It's not even worth a struggle there anymore. There's literally no life of leisurely activity there unlike it was in the early to 2008 Phoenix. Even the damn MUSIC doesn't reflect the local people taste. There's nothing expressive of Phoenix in Phoenix anymore. The city is getting a lot of New Yorkers and the music played now is more for them. They promote NaS, Lauren Hill, Wu Tang instead of music like locals enjoy like Halsey, Daddy Yankee, Bobby Valentino and Lil' Wayne which greatly hurt the local Arizona vibe. Arizonans don't vibe with the radio garbage. Plus, the plans for Metrocenter Mall at 1:08 where the city's ORIGINAL plan for DOWNTOWN PHOENIX anyway. Plus, Phoenix has lost three mall. Two outdoor malls Metrocenter Mall and Paradise Valley Mall and one outdoor mall The Arizona Center which was sold for $25 Million which was largely an abandoned center anyway. It also shows that converting Metrocenter to an outdoor mall WON'T SAVE IT. It's the entire city, not just the Metrocenter Mall that need redevelopment.
If they build it out as planned it will be nice. Just need to get the homeless situation under control over there. Would like to see/hear information about the redevelopment of Metrocenter.
So hot in summer, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND... why these people think we want to walk around outside marketplaces when we lived for mall shopping, people watching and staying cool.
channel 12 you only show one viewpoint that it should be turned into apartments.. I disagree.. look at the crap going up at P.V. MALL..all our memories gone for stupid condominiums. I want a new version of metro center and P.V.MALL.. NOT APARTMENTS OR CONDOS
SMH… These modern day developers & real estate firms really make me sick… Why not “reimagine” it by keeping the existing building (which obviously still stands), doing some internal AND external renovations (ADDING to the existing building, if anything), doing some actual research on what types of vendors & attractions can/will draw a crowd these days (vs the 70s-early 2000s) & using that data as a blueprint for what will allow the “reimagined” Metrocenter Mall to successfully live on? SURELY it would be better for the environment (vs completely tearing it down & building something from scratch), plus you’re respecting the few actual natives who still live in this city, who actually grew up in that mall & who have MANY strong memories in that mall (YES I’m one of the few & was born right up the street, so it’s personal for me [contrary to the people who were being interviewed]). So frustrating to see money & greed killing off so much of Phoenix’s history. Left & right, all you see is history being demolished, over & over… You’ll renovate a basketball arena or a stadium, but that church, that High School or that Shopping Mall??? NOPE, it’s outdated, it’s gotta go… All anybody wants to do these days is kick people out of their homes/etc. & tear down historical buildings/landmarks so they can build overpriced/cheaply-built apartments with paper-thin walls & poorly-designed parking garages with microscopic parking spaces that only the smallest compact cars can fit in w/o dinging up their door &/or scratching up their bumper. Tired of it. Somebody will surely say something slick about the clientele/neighborhood/etc. in response, but if Scottsdale Fashion Square, Arizona Mills Mall, Chandler Mall, Tempe Marketplace, Desert Ridge & all these other Shopping “Malls” (both outdoor AND INDOOR) can continue to thrive, then I absolutely cannot see why Metrocenter Mall can’t do the same following a simple renovation of the CURRENT building (which already has a Harkins Movie Theatre, AND a Walmart, AND a Brand-New Lightrail Station at its disposal)... Some (primarily non-natives who truly have no business speaking on the topic) will deny this, but you have a select group of people who TRULY miss being able to walk into a store at that mall & actually get fitted for some clothing, or try on some sunglasses, or try on a pair of shoes, or test out an appliance, or play a piano, or put something on layaway, or smell a fragrance (vs buying online/sight unseen, HOPING that it’s what you want once it arrives in the mail); So many grown men & women are at a point where they miss the old shopping malls and even this next generation is craving them… How do I know this??? Every single time I walk into ANY one of those malls mentioned above, it is CROWDED with people of all ages (with mid-day often being the only exception as many people are obviously at work or school that time of day)… Sorry, but not ONE person (on Phoenix City Council or otherwise) can convince me that Metrocenter Mall could not be “reimagined” in its current format (avoiding a tear down) & brought back to its former glory (as far as SUCCESS) when I see all these other Shopping “malls” continuing to thrive in the way they have. There is literally NO reason why Metrocenter Mall cannot see the same success as the other remaining Shopping “malls” without completely tearing down the current building that holds so many memories for so many of us... But I digress, as I’m not the one with the deep pockets smh 🤦🏾♂️
Biltmore got lucky and sold Fashion Park..they know Phoenix is Doomed. Sullivan and Barton and DOJ police reform like Oakland and Chicago is a Clue?? 😂😂
4 Years it sat mostly empty?? Dangerous and No Profit with clientele up there. City Officials need Mental Institution. Try Truckstop. No Other bidness will dare open there😂😂
You are for the most part right. When I lived in Phoenix I saw that the city was stolen and being totally mismanaged. It's just The Land of Abandoned Buildings. Chase Bank, US Bank, One Camelback and more high rises vacant. The city is completely backwards. The plans they have for Metrocenter Mall the locals and native borns had for DOWNTOWN PHOENIX. Do I want to see Metrocenter Mall demolished? No way, BUT it doesn't matter because the city is gone anyway.
Still homeless but I remember living as well along the freeway by the super salad with a rug & blinds store with a cellphone store by Castle & Coasters! I'm homeless again because of the GOODWIN fire so there's no help of any kind up in Prescott Valley except prayers and well wishes! 7 going on 8 years without a proper shower or bath!!! Getting discriminated against by Valley View Apts low income, because of the way I look so I can't catch a break, just lost my government cellphone services I guess for a congressman or Senator needs a new 2045 super yacht with submarines and 12 helicopter pads and a miniature golf course and a go kart track! And all I want is a second chance for a productive life and a hot soaking in a bath tub to wash all the BS away. But no low income or cellphone services for SSI/SSDI recipients, just a can to be kicked down the street and into the gutter! I have $$$ to spend but I can't find a reasonable capitalist to make affordable housing without also wanting the 2076 400 years anniversary of the United States commemorative special US Navy yacht!!! So currently looking for long term and also wanting two a BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE TYPE OF GRANT....???? So.... I was working my way to get off but I lost my seasonal job with Salvation Army as a Bell Ringer for the Red Bucket - 6 years and my buckets had some strange alternative currency stuffed into my buckets! So under MAGA-GOP Trump Führer I was in the SSA right to work programs for the disabled and then I was told for all 6 years that I was PERFECTLY FINE TO WORK AS A BELL RINGER because it was SEASONAL AND TEMPORARY & I WAS TOLD THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY BACK ANYTHING... BUT I LOST ALL 6 YEARS OF PAY THROUGH THE SSA BS AND THEN I WAS TOLD THAT ANY DONATIONS THAT I GET - LIKE FOOD BOXES OR DONATED CLOTHES; I WOULD LOSE MY DISABILITY CHECK; MY ONLY INCOME & IT'S NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE I'M ON FOOD STAMPS AS WELL BUT FOOD IS WAY TO EXPENSIVE - AGAIN THAT AMERICAN CAPITALISM GREED!!!
Speaking facts which is why in the near future I'm moving to the Midwest soon. Phoenix ever since Covid and Blackrock has completely destroyed the affordability of this place and the drugs don't help either.
@@gravekeepersven82 I'm a 4th generation native and am moving to Kentucky in the fall. Phoenix is a trash pile now. I've been on affordable senior housing lists for almost 3 years now who told me "1-2 years" without a single call so either people living there aren't dying or moving to assisted living, or the number of income-based apartments has been reduced. They need to build more affordable housing or put caps on the percentage landlords can jack up the rent each year. When an apartment goes from $700 to over $1K in a year, something is wrong.
@fatgrandmafinds I saw a video from tiktok where 75% of the properties in phoenix were being ran by a bunch of landlords using AI software to manipulate the rent prices to their favor. This ran from 2015-2023 until the Attorney General of AZ got wind of it and is suing them now. Me I'm moving to Edmonton OK aka Far North Oklahoma City OK. Far cheaper cost of living for everything and the tourism and public transportation is on the rise to rival Dallas-Fort Worth.
Those people they interviewed were idiots. The mall shouldn't come down- it reminds people that people lived here before they did. Some of us are from here you know?
I remember the mall while my friend was alive.
Gotta attract more Californians and people from out of state
City of Phoenix is GONE! It has long been. It's not even worth a struggle there anymore. There's literally no life of leisurely activity there unlike it was in the early to 2008 Phoenix. Even the damn MUSIC doesn't reflect the local people taste. There's nothing expressive of Phoenix in Phoenix anymore. The city is getting a lot of New Yorkers and the music played now is more for them. They promote NaS, Lauren Hill, Wu Tang instead of music like locals enjoy like Halsey, Daddy Yankee, Bobby Valentino and Lil' Wayne which greatly hurt the local Arizona vibe. Arizonans don't vibe with the radio garbage. Plus, the plans for Metrocenter Mall at 1:08 where the city's ORIGINAL plan for DOWNTOWN PHOENIX anyway. Plus, Phoenix has lost three mall. Two outdoor malls Metrocenter Mall and Paradise Valley Mall and one outdoor mall The Arizona Center which was sold for $25 Million which was largely an abandoned center anyway. It also shows that converting Metrocenter to an outdoor mall WON'T SAVE IT. It's the entire city, not just the Metrocenter Mall that need redevelopment.
@@FernandoRodriguez-wj7ph facts
@@FernandoRodriguez-wj7ph2600 multi-family homes does not even put the slightest dent in the homing crisis that exists for those already in AZ.
If they build it out as planned it will be nice. Just need to get the homeless situation under control over there. Would like to see/hear information about the redevelopment of Metrocenter.
Phoenix is lazy they don't care
Officials are paid HUGE to destroy like Los Angeles. Wake Up?😮
So hot in summer, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND... why these people think we want to walk around outside marketplaces when we lived for mall shopping, people watching and staying cool.
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I rode my bicycle thru the mall while it was under construction, I was 12 yrs old.
No fence, No locks, No guards, was almost completed
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channel 12 you only show one viewpoint that it should be turned into apartments.. I disagree.. look at the crap going up at P.V. MALL..all our memories gone for stupid condominiums. I want a new version of metro center and P.V.MALL.. NOT APARTMENTS OR CONDOS
Agreed. The mall life here is hot garbage for real.
Maybe you should have bought the mall and kept it open then.
@@1stamendmentmedia464 Covid and government enforcement during that period pretty much made malls extinct almost.
I remember there big water fountain
SMH… These modern day developers & real estate firms really make me sick… Why not “reimagine” it by keeping the existing building (which obviously still stands), doing some internal AND external renovations (ADDING to the existing building, if anything), doing some actual research on what types of vendors & attractions can/will draw a crowd these days (vs the 70s-early 2000s) & using that data as a blueprint for what will allow the “reimagined” Metrocenter Mall to successfully live on? SURELY it would be better for the environment (vs completely tearing it down & building something from scratch), plus you’re respecting the few actual natives who still live in this city, who actually grew up in that mall & who have MANY strong memories in that mall (YES I’m one of the few & was born right up the street, so it’s personal for me [contrary to the people who were being interviewed]).
So frustrating to see money & greed killing off so much of Phoenix’s history. Left & right, all you see is history being demolished, over & over… You’ll renovate a basketball arena or a stadium, but that church, that High School or that Shopping Mall??? NOPE, it’s outdated, it’s gotta go… All anybody wants to do these days is kick people out of their homes/etc. & tear down historical buildings/landmarks so they can build overpriced/cheaply-built apartments with paper-thin walls & poorly-designed parking garages with microscopic parking spaces that only the smallest compact cars can fit in w/o dinging up their door &/or scratching up their bumper. Tired of it. Somebody will surely say something slick about the clientele/neighborhood/etc. in response, but if Scottsdale Fashion Square, Arizona Mills Mall, Chandler Mall, Tempe Marketplace, Desert Ridge & all these other Shopping “Malls” (both outdoor AND INDOOR) can continue to thrive, then I absolutely cannot see why Metrocenter Mall can’t do the same following a simple renovation of the CURRENT building (which already has a Harkins Movie Theatre, AND a Walmart, AND a Brand-New Lightrail Station at its disposal)...
Some (primarily non-natives who truly have no business speaking on the topic) will deny this, but you have a select group of people who TRULY miss being able to walk into a store at that mall & actually get fitted for some clothing, or try on some sunglasses, or try on a pair of shoes, or test out an appliance, or play a piano, or put something on layaway, or smell a fragrance (vs buying online/sight unseen, HOPING that it’s what you want once it arrives in the mail); So many grown men & women are at a point where they miss the old shopping malls and even this next generation is craving them… How do I know this??? Every single time I walk into ANY one of those malls mentioned above, it is CROWDED with people of all ages (with mid-day often being the only exception as many people are obviously at work or school that time of day)… Sorry, but not ONE person (on Phoenix City Council or otherwise) can convince me that Metrocenter Mall could not be “reimagined” in its current format (avoiding a tear down) & brought back to its former glory (as far as SUCCESS) when I see all these other Shopping “malls” continuing to thrive in the way they have. There is literally NO reason why Metrocenter Mall cannot see the same success as the other remaining Shopping “malls” without completely tearing down the current building that holds so many memories for so many of us... But I digress, as I’m not the one with the deep pockets smh 🤦🏾♂️
Investors have Cold Feet and are backing out knowing Homeless rule that area and Gangs will Smash and Grab and retail thieves.
It closed in may of 2020
Affordable housing projects is Jeff Bartons "vision". With dollar store strip mall.
Biltmore got lucky and sold Fashion Park..they know Phoenix is Doomed. Sullivan and Barton and DOJ police reform like Oakland and Chicago is a Clue?? 😂😂
Great. Exactly what we need: MORE homes 🤦♂️
Rebuild metro center as housing for the 9,435 homeless people in Maricopa county
No it’s bad for businesses around them. A homeless shelter needs to be in an industrial center or outskirts or town.
@@Dd-760- i said housing, not a homeless shelter
City Leaders "vision" only goes to Homeless Shelter. Above that they aren't capable. They built a Homeless Courthouse. Soup Kitchen...stuff like that
Most homeless belong in institutions. theres a reason why they're homeless and isn't because they are down on their luck.
9,000 Homeless?? Sounds well managed by Jeff Barton! Where do we Sign?😂😂
Gucci and Saks 5th Avenue cant wait to get moved in. Fine Dining Too?
Re imagine its not crime central?
4 Years it sat mostly empty?? Dangerous and No Profit with clientele up there. City Officials need Mental Institution. Try Truckstop. No Other bidness will dare open there😂😂
They hit the Pipe and re imagine atuff. The new plan is Sewage Treatment Center.
Private Prison and Homeless Shelter is new plan
Walkable Village😂😂
Nobody will invest a Dime. Phoenix is run by Criminals For Criminals. Metro Center is destroyed beyond repair. Tentative outlets see it Now😂😂
You are for the most part right. When I lived in Phoenix I saw that the city was stolen and being totally mismanaged. It's just The Land of Abandoned Buildings. Chase Bank, US Bank, One Camelback and more high rises vacant. The city is completely backwards. The plans they have for Metrocenter Mall the locals and native borns had for DOWNTOWN PHOENIX.
Do I want to see Metrocenter Mall demolished? No way, BUT it doesn't matter because the city is gone anyway.
In that hood only a new City Dump is logical.
Still homeless but I remember living as well along the freeway by the super salad with a rug & blinds store with a cellphone store by Castle & Coasters!
I'm homeless again because of the GOODWIN fire so there's no help of any kind up in Prescott Valley except prayers and well wishes!
7 going on 8 years without a proper shower or bath!!! Getting discriminated against by Valley View Apts low income, because of the way I look so I can't catch a break, just lost my government cellphone services I guess for a congressman or Senator needs a new 2045 super yacht with submarines and 12 helicopter pads and a miniature golf course and a go kart track! And all I want is a second chance for a productive life and a hot soaking in a bath tub to wash all the BS away.
But no low income or cellphone services for SSI/SSDI recipients, just a can to be kicked down the street and into the gutter!
I have $$$ to spend but I can't find a reasonable capitalist to make affordable housing without also wanting the 2076 400 years anniversary of the United States commemorative special US Navy yacht!!!
So currently looking for long term and also wanting two a BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE TYPE OF GRANT....???? So....
I was working my way to get off but I lost my seasonal job with Salvation Army as a Bell Ringer for the Red Bucket - 6 years and my buckets had some strange alternative currency stuffed into my buckets! So under MAGA-GOP Trump Führer I was in the SSA right to work programs for the disabled and then I was told for all 6 years that I was PERFECTLY FINE TO WORK AS A BELL RINGER because it was SEASONAL AND TEMPORARY & I WAS TOLD THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY BACK ANYTHING... BUT I LOST ALL 6 YEARS OF PAY THROUGH THE SSA BS AND THEN I WAS TOLD THAT ANY DONATIONS THAT I GET - LIKE FOOD BOXES OR DONATED CLOTHES; I WOULD LOSE MY DISABILITY CHECK; MY ONLY INCOME & IT'S NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE I'M ON FOOD STAMPS AS WELL BUT FOOD IS WAY TO EXPENSIVE - AGAIN THAT AMERICAN CAPITALISM GREED!!!
That place is gonna be gentrified. Lot of homelessness
That's the plan
That mall still exists?
Yes
That was my old weed dealer haha kisselberg haha where Brian z at?
Oh he's in doing life in PRISON
@@topflight6024 stupid
Rebuilding won’t do anything when people act ghetto
Speaking facts which is why in the near future I'm moving to the Midwest soon.
Phoenix ever since Covid and Blackrock has completely destroyed the affordability of this place and the drugs don't help either.
@@gravekeepersven82 I'm a 4th generation native and am moving to Kentucky in the fall. Phoenix is a trash pile now. I've been on affordable senior housing lists for almost 3 years now who told me "1-2 years" without a single call so either people living there aren't dying or moving to assisted living, or the number of income-based apartments has been reduced. They need to build more affordable housing or put caps on the percentage landlords can jack up the rent each year. When an apartment goes from $700 to over $1K in a year, something is wrong.
@fatgrandmafinds I saw a video from tiktok where 75% of the properties in phoenix were being ran by a bunch of landlords using AI software to manipulate the rent prices to their favor. This ran from 2015-2023 until the Attorney General of AZ got wind of it and is suing them now.
Me I'm moving to Edmonton OK aka Far North Oklahoma City OK.
Far cheaper cost of living for everything and the tourism and public transportation is on the rise to rival Dallas-Fort Worth.
That would be a great place to build affordable housing for AZ senior citizens and disabled residents.
Who G A F