Hands-On: Hornady Auto Charge Pro Electronic Powder Dispenser
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The Auto Charge Pro is the latest electronic powder dispenser from Hornady. In this video, we'll get hands on: starting with unboxing, and ending with multiple powder tests!
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Unfortunate that you didn't pull out one of your lab scales to verify the weights of the throws.
i'm sure he's done that. The fact that he isnt showing that, should tell you all you need to know about this item.
I used a stand alone scale to verify (it measures .02gn) and it was pretty consistently close. Usually no more than .04 off…more often than not dead on or .02 off. Close enough for my standards. If I was doing benchrest I’d probably manually trickle up the last .10grains to get it dead on but for $300, it really does a good job
Several other reviews show this as the most accurate against the best scales out there. RCBS lite appeared to be the worst in this area.
You should do a test where you check the throws on a more accurate scale. Create a plot of average dispense time vs SD of 20 throws for a number of different speed settings.
He knows that. Bit this is a payed commercial, not a real test. The accuracy of these cheap load cells is usually not that great.
@@luzianwasescha6056 Why are you even here watching the video? If it's a commercial and the product has "cheap load cells"? The video title should have sent you off to somewhere else. FYI, he's not a sailor, so the correct term is "paid".
The more that consumers ask for actual performance figures, the less they end up paying for marketing fluff and worthless gimmicks. I am aware that Gavin is getting benefits for the marketing activities he participates in, but he is also smart enough to keep up if the industry focus moves to raw performance over loyalty to "red vs blue vs green".
He's a shill thats why he doesn't really test it. It's 1/10th grain accuracy which isn't any different than what has been out for years.
You should have weighed the output on a balance beam scale to compare.
I thought you would have done an accuracy test and compared it to the lab scale
Yes, I would like to see that also. I verify my RCBS Lite Charge master on Gem Pro 250 which has finer resolution and problem I see is that when you start its spot on, lets say 24.0 and latter I might see 23.94 its still within 0.1gr but the drift bugs me.
My lab scale (FX-120i) is 0.02GN increments and I always load Exactly to that with no spread, this goes only 0.1GN so in my opinion it's gonna be all over place. Just within 0.1s
@@Marzoochi Not necessary, typically my RCBS lite chargemaster will be .02 - .04 below target but pretty consistent with .04 - .06 gr variance at most. Also I have FX-120 and it fluctuates more than my Gem Pro 250, I don't know why but I've had numbers change when you pickup and put the pan down even with screen guard and I've seen where numbers will kind of flip back and forth let's say between .02 and .04gr, I even seen that in other people's videos. Also static has been a problem with the glass pan and fine ball powder, when I dump it out, some powder is still stuck to the bottom which throws the weight off by 0.1- 0.2gr.
Appears to be a very nice and easy and accurate scale to use. I have always wanted something like this but could never justify the cost. I calibrate a powder scale to dump a load several tenths of a grain less than my charge target. I dump the charge into the Hornady digital scale and then easily trickle the remaining few tenths into the pan then dump the charge back into the case. It is actually quicker than the electronic dispenser but definitely more labor intensive. To each their own. Each step in reloading, from decapping, resizing, trimming, chamfering, priming is all a labor of love and I never grow tired of any of the steps to know I've reloaded a quality round.
My new powder measure is arriving today and this was a great primer into how it runs and setting it up! Thank you!! Super helpful and now I know about your channel and website!! SCORE!!!!
It's funny that you posted this, I was looking at this literally 2 hours ago and saying I wish someone would do a video before I buy one.
New reloaded here. I’m going to be getting this scale. It’s quiet, fast, and very accurate. Thanks Gavin, you have influenced a lot of my reloading choices. The rest was up to my checkbook! 😂
Glad to help you get started! Have fun with it!
Hey Mate I've been using the auto charge pro for about 6 months now for 6.5cm, 22-250 & .7.62 among others and i'm very impressed with the accuracy and repeatability even with temperature changes that we have here in southern Victoria, Australia.
Hey mate I'm down your way too.
How is the unit going 18 months down the track?
Looking at getting one.
@@shaynemcintyre2573 Hi Shane It has not skipped a beat, i check the load every 10-20 rounds and it's always spot on - as far as i can tell with my Redding balance scales. I just pull it out of the cupboard and start using it, I don't even wait for the proper warm-up time as i have not seen any difference if it's been running for 2 in or 1 hour.
Got one, found mine throws .1 under, it is consistent though. But I don't 100% trust my RCBS beam scale I can do 20 loads, check zero on the beam scales and it will be out .1 think there worn a bit. That's why I was looking for something new.
I would like to see a comparison between RCBS ChargeMaster Lite and Hornady’s powder charger; I have two RCBS powder chargers.
Yes, compare them with real data so consumers can know what they need to buy if they want to get their desired level of performance. A line graph accuracy vs dispense time is the way to do that.
Can’t comment on the hornady but I have the chargemaster lite and it’s been spot on
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Seems like the Hornady dispenses perfectly and I like the large display for old eyes
I bought one 2 days ago and love it. I did have an issue of drifting readings and it wouldn't throw an accurate charge. I was trying everything and it would take a long time to calibrate or sometimes wouldn't calibrate at all. I took the red pan off and right at the back one kernel of 4831 got down in the crack and that was the problem. I got it out and all is well, but be careful about getting powder or anything else in there. I made a dust cover for whole unit when its not in use.
Looks like a great product !!
Thank You. I'm a brand-new reloader trying to build my first reloading shop. Because of my age, I need to begin with high-end equipment. Your video's really save me a lot of time.
I am struggling with the choice between the Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper, the RCBS Chargemaster Supreme, and the Hornady Auto Charge Pro.
@@trentwinston2914 hello i recommend the Hornady Auto Charge Pro.
Letting it warm up is very important with digital scales.
Great video. I plan on using mine soon
As already stated it would be nice to see a comparison. I could really be tempted to invest in one of these.
I got this scale in the spring. Seems to work great with h4350. I spent a lot of time experimenting with the time settings to get the fastest drops.
That scale looks awesome. Just ordered one.
Nice review Sir. Thank You.
this is a great scale. hornady outdid themselves here. the comments are begging for a part 2 to this.
Thanks,got one ordered
i wish you would have tested its accuracy with your fancy white super precise scale!
something like this would come in handy i think for pistol loads or rifle plinking loads, but .1gr accuracy probably still isnt quite accurate enough for precision rifle. good old beam scale probably persists, at least for the poor man
Anyways, i enjoyed the video, like always
.1 will be plenty accurate for the overwhelming majority of precision shooters.
I have had this one for quite a while probably threw 4-500 charges on it. I can say it’s every bit as accurate if not more so than both my balance beams. Every time I’ve removed a charge and set it back on scale it’s exactly where it was reading. It seems to always throw within .1 grain. I’d love to have a laboratory scale to compare it
@@duckslayer11000 Most people don't even know how the software on the main board in digital scales is designed to make up for small amounts of drift. .1 of a grain for the most part as you say for the majority of shooters want even be noticed on the target, and it's even more Irrelevant the larger the charge weight is. Think about Federal Gold Medal Match ammo, nobody is sitting there trickling the charge weight down to the last .1 of a grain.
@@duckslayer11000 I dunno, I am quite new to all this, but loading exactly 41.36GN for my CM with no exemptions to the point I am splitting kernels. I always think that this is something I have control over and if I have time for it, why not.
@@Marzoochi whatever floats your boat. You better be shooting Lapua brass to compliment your splitting kernels or your missing the largest variable.
Thanks Gavin
I have the original Hornady auto dispenser and it has been bulletproof once you understand all the settings. I compared my output to my ohaus beam scale and it was literally matched to the tenth of a grain
Gavin before I fill up the casing with powder, I always check the weight on a digital scale to make sure that the dispenser is giving me the actual weight that I require. By doing this, I am double checking this is for Benchrest shooting which requires consistency and accuracy
Ive had the old ome for a few years now and have had no trouble with it. Kind of messed up with the first charge or two but once it gets going it is good to go. If this one is better I would seriously consider buying it
I received one as a warranty replacement on the original model. So far I like it better still check it agents my beam scale. No major complaints so far.
I've been using the Auto Charge Pro for a year and love it. But I have been unable to find a way to easily reset the charge-dispense counter, or to just turn it off. Great video, I look forward to an accuracy test in a future video.
Hornady customer service is top notch, same for their product 👍🏻
Been using this for about 6 months now. Works well. If I find it to have issues with charge error, I just slow down the speed. Real easy to do. You can adjust how it measures out the majority of the charge and set it to trickle the last bit. This allows for nice accurate charges. It will keep measuring out powder until it meets set target. The measurement system is sensitive finding charges that are over and displays error accurately. It then stops and requires you to handle the error. I compare charges periodically by weighing on a different scale to make sure they match. Nicely accurate. The only bitch I have is the powder drain can be messy if you don't pay complete attention when you are draining it. But it's a small matter considering what you are getting.
Seems to be a good piece of gear!
I recently purchased this unit and so far seems good (only done pistol loads at this time) just like a lot of the comments I’ve seen so far, I would like to see a accuracy test done on the scale portion on this vs a higher end scale to see where it lands. I have used a beam scale for years and then purchased the Lyman 1500 before buying the Hornady and was very unhappy with the Lyman. I couldn’t get any consistency. So far the Hornady is on with my beam scale. I would just like to see how close it actually is by comparing throws against a high end scale. Thanks for all you do
Question, did you ever check the scale against another for accuracy?
G'day, New reloader here in Canada. I recently bought the Hornady Classic kit that came with the manual dispenser and pocket scale. They work fine for this beginner lol. However, I saw this auto dispenser on Amazon then started on a CZcams's wormhole on reviews lol I must say, yours, being an anniversary of sorts of your first review on their first auto loader, is one of the better reviews I've seen. I do want to upgrade to this unit as soon as I can, just got to save the nickels lol
I have the previous generation. This version is definitely superior. Save quickly, you'll wonder how you ever managed with a manual dispenser and scale.
Amen to auto thrower. Gavin has tons of great videos, weather they are actually reviews or deep dive into the product lots of great content. If you are new to reloading watch out CZcams gets dangerous. Next you’ll want a Prometheus
I'll be saving for a bit for sure. These units in Canada are around the $600 mark. Lol
@@PBoettger should be able to get around $500 but I do feel ur pain as a fellow Canadian. I wish he’d have tested the accuracy of it here. I bought a charge master lite after watching his video on that
@@taylorbokshowan5713, I purchased the older Hornady’s powder charger; my description of the unit, junk. I then went to RCBS Charger Master Lite that are very accurate, I loved so much, I had to get another one, both work metered out the same. As far as Hornady goes, never again. Alaska.
Good job -- thanks!
Hoping for a company to make a removable hopper for easier powder change.
Looks good!
I would love to see a side by side comparison of the hornady vs frankford arsenal. Comparing speeds and accuracy using your fx scale for measuring powder charges. Been curious on exactly how consistent these really are.
My auto charge broke and Hornady got me a new one. And I could upgrade with a small fee so I could get a Autor Charge Pro instead. And it awesome piece of machine!
I think this unit's greatest feature is its narrow footprint. Other than that, it functions like any other electronic measure/scale.
With all your powder messures which one do you love the best
Mine works flawlessly & I am very pleased.
I use it for my competition rounds, where no charge variance is acceptable.
I still use a traditional powder throw for volume rounds, as it is faster to dispense directly into the casing & a 10th grain variance one way or the other, is acceptable.
(Charge weights align precisely to my more expensive Pact scale)
I just bought this unit from midway on sale. I haven’t used it yet. Lots of chores need doing first. Might do a test this weekend just to make sure it’s not a dud. Thinking Chinese electronics will be getting scarce in the near future.
Just ordered one. Selling my Charge Master Pro 1500. Time for an upgrade. Have had the RCBS for 15 years.
I agree with others stating you should have compared the charge weight with another scale that you know is accurate. That would make a better review.
Need vídeo side by side with rcbs, Lyman, Frankfort. I love how technically you make this videos
If you have a powder measure set to say 24gr and then place that load onto the auto charge, with a target weight set to 24.5gr, will it just trickle up the 0.5gr? That would make the process much faster.
I have one and I love it.
I am curious if the auto charge or auto charge pro will work in dispensing buffer for shotshell loads. Have you ever tried it?
I need one of these !
Can you use two different powder pans? That way you can weigh up another charge while you are funneling the charge into brass? That would really increase times.
Electric Powder measurers side by side comparisons please, such as this one against others like Frankford Arsenal Intell, RCBS master, Lyman whatever etc.....
Pretty sweet unit , but I have had the original model Auto Charge since they came out,
and it's still running today.......... maybe one day !!!
Always double check the powder removal port, ask me how I know !!!
I have a Tikka t3 tac with a new barrel, chamber in 6mm ARC. I need to buy a replacement bolt, do you guys make a bolt smaller then .473 face? Or something that would fit in the Grendel.
Nice piece of equipment. This would take a LOT of the tedium out of loading a large quantity of high accuracy rifle loads. In the past I've spend MANY YEARS balancing charges, lol; I have to admit it was good practice in developing equanimity.
I would like to see each throw from the loader scaled for accuracy. so I really like it.
I had a RCBS and after about 3 yrs I turned it on and the Despenser motor would not work, scale works but RCBS does not repair I called and emailed the company that did their repairs and after 4 weeks still no reply! I trashed it and bought the Hornady pro the First one not sure if it was dropped in shipping but it would not calibrate . I eventually saw the issue, the split tube that protrudes up that you set the red base into, was up against the side of the unit thus not allowing it to get an accurate weight during calibration! I tried to push it over with my hands, it did move just enough for it to pass the calibration phase but I couldn’t trust it. I returned it to Midway for refund and ordered another! It should be coming in any day now! From what I’m seeing it will be a nice addition! I’ll give an update when I unpack it!
I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of this powder measure compared to the Frankford Arsenal intellidropper 👍
I would like to also include a *THIRD* scale dispenser. To make an accurate comparison you need a third instrument like an RCBS. Just comparing two won’t tell you which one is incorrect.
@@mtkoslowski I agree! let's put all three of them to the test... I'll grab the popcorn 👊😎🇺🇸
Develop a standard test and compare all of them against a higher accuracy scale. Let consumers pick which one is best depending on their accuracy and time requirements.
Does the fluorescent light affect the scale? It does with mine. (Not Hornady)very interesting
Nice unit!🎚🙏🇲🇾🇲🇾
Shame on you.... Checking out another Man's unit 😜 😂😂
I have the "ORIGINAL", and if it ever quits working, I will invest in the "PRO"! It's seems faster in response time 2 start dispensing powder when pan is replaced! Also faster in dispensing almost up 2 charge wt. I'm not going 2 fix something that isn't "broke", will wait until mine decides 2 stop. Thx 4 the "DEMO" , Ted
Concerned that you didnt call out the 2 over charges. You glossed over them. :-(
It happens. I had the first hornady and it sucked, bad. My rcbs chargemaster has been great for years but there are days it overcharges multiple times, and days it’s perfect.
@@jonathanm1854 more warm up time.
@@OvertonWindex I usually try and let it warm up Atleast 10-15 min before every use. I turn it on and then start priming brass and getting ready. It’s been 98% good.
@@jonathanm1854 I've got a chargmaster lite, I let it warm up for an hour, if I do so, it does not over or (under charge((false beep)).
I also noticed the over charges but If hes sponsored by hornady than he won't want to say anything negative about the product or he won't get future hornady products to review
We really need this, but for food supplement powder.
Maybe you could do an addendum to this video. Seems I’m not alone wanting accuracy data. See countless comments below.
You missed out on half the fun making sure the drain was turned up.
why dont you check the loads on the A&D scales to check consistency?
I have a question about the Auto Charge Pro... the recess in the top of the powder hopper lid... what is it for? its not mentioned in the manual
I keep trying to convince myself to get one of these.
How well does it work with longer stick powders Like the IMR that will not run in my Dillon. I would like faster reloading in some of my rifle cartridges. With some of my magnum powders becoming harder to get I may need to run a few IMR longer extruded powders. Just don't want to waist the money
Hi, witch one would you recommend, the Hornady Autocharge pro or the RCBS Chargemaster Supreme?
Why no follow up with the lab balance to see how accurate Hornadys numbers are? You did with RCBS?
If I were in the market for a new powered dispenser this would certainly be a top choice. If it were only made in the US...
Gavin how do you rate the Hornaday charge pro vs the lyman charge master?
Nice I like it going to get me one
Gavin will it store loads like the rcbs?????
Warming up is very important.
Had one for a few months now, it's excellent, there's also three speed settings if you hold down 8+enter ...and yes I've measured each load with a beam scale and it's spot on unlike the Frankfort arsenal competition.....for really fine powders I like slowing it down the speed a bit to be accurate. I also think so many people have had a bad experience with the old model their not willing to even try the new pro, which is sad because it's really good
ive got the automatic case activated dropper and it does not like stick powders now i cant see that being an issue but im not able to use it at all its off so bad but does it work well with stick powders and even after 9 months are you still loving it?
@@2025944 definitely, one of my better upgrades, the bigger the sticks the slower the speed I set it at , works perfectly so far.....
@@farmerdave9312 alright I’ve made my purchase I just hope it has a good lifespan of solid accuracy seems like a solid product I’ve got a lot of brass paired with hornadys auto progressive press it should make it’s money back
@@2025944 yeah I load on a turret so by the time I get around it's ready again, drop in funnel easy ....tried a few different powder throwers on top of the turret, now that was a waste of money to get a precise consistent load lol
@@farmerdave9312 I’ve gotten it and it’s pretty damn nice but does yours like to not zero sometimes? I might need to try for a new one…
If you had to choose between this Hornady or the Frankford Arsonal dispenser, which one would you take?
How does this account for different density powders?
Gavin, this or the RCBS Chargemaster Supreme?
All good and well, would like to see these loads verified on a more accurate scale.
How is it compared to the rcbs charge Master?
I have the original model. It works quite well after changing similar settings that you did. I don't see any major reason to upgrade mine. Your scale did the same 24.1 reset to 24.0 as the original one. I think the scales are set to not undercharge. An accuracy check comparison on a beam scale would have been usefull. Thanks for sharing.
I upgraded as I was having problems with hands getting the sweet spot on the keypad. An expensive fix but so far I'm pleased.
Is there any way to stop the counter that shows up after every dispense?
Love it
Unboxing videos... Curls my back hairs..
And your opinion, do you think that’s better than the Frankfurt Arsenal Tele dropper
the core of the system is the scale. we need to know about its repeatability and accuracy. then we can discuss about everything else.
Much more expensive than the Chargemaster Lite in my country. Is it better?
lmbo!!! now he gets Lab Nerd efficient with gloves to Calibrate 🤣🤣😂🤩
It looks a lot nicer than my Chargemaster light, which isn't adjustable and has the most annoying BEEP ever. It is $100 more expensive though.
Dang it's fast
I like it
can the machine be used with black powder?
Awesome video as usual Gavin. Are you going to the NRA meeting this year?
This vs the rcbs match master ?
You need to check each charge on a balance beam scale or a digital scale. I find that my Auto Charge Pro typically throws 0.1 over the setting. Occasionally I have to scoop out a minor amount or trickle in a tiny bit to hit the exact weight. It is still much faster than any one of my powder measures with a trickle charge.
I love my powder thrower
Very accurate with my powders
Stick and ball no worries
The lack of comparison to your A&D FX-120i lab scale leaves me to think that the Hornady is all over the place. This channel used to actually compare products with a scientific mind, now it's just clearly a paid endorsement channel.
From your channel description;
"Ultimate Reloader LLC is committed to publishing subjective and data-driven information+insights related to products whether it be favorable or unfavorable or both."
When did this change? Lately, more often then not, you are seemingly handing out positive reviews to everything that you get paid to promote.
please do the NEW rcbs chargemaster SUPREME
I just got mine from Midway it will not calibrate I will return it and try another one
Pour les cartouches commerciales target, la poudre est mesurée au volume. Le poids est une indication pour obtenir le bon volume. De plus les fabricants font des efforts pour garder un rapport volume-poids constant, mais il y à variation. Une cuillère et une carte de plastique donne des résultats constants, à moindre cout. Parce que le travail de la douille est plus important que le messure de la poudre. - mon avis.