Explaining Why Pac-Man Is the Best Zoner

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Komentáře • 291

  • @silvesta5027
    @silvesta5027 Před 3 lety +81

    It’s some unwritten, unspoken rule that whenever Larry does a video covering a character, BassMage HAS to show up when he plays on elite smash

    • @mochisun9190
      @mochisun9190 Před 3 lety

      @@alexander5.1 bro yeah, he's in tucson and sweeps us all the time :)

    • @willyboi1389
      @willyboi1389 Před 3 lety

      @@mochisun9190 Wait, Larry lives in AZ :O

  • @whateveryouwantmetobe.1489
    @whateveryouwantmetobe.1489 Před 3 lety +96

    Playing against Pac man is like playing with stage hazards on.

  • @chordalharmony
    @chordalharmony Před 3 lety +160

    He’s a zones with better frame data then most of the cast. WHO OK’D THIS??

  • @silvesta5027
    @silvesta5027 Před 3 lety +159

    FUN LARRY FACT: Larry recently won $160 playing Mario Party

  • @kosakukawajiri9232
    @kosakukawajiri9232 Před 3 lety +58

    *sees title*
    Snake: *cries in explosives*

    • @rafaelblackman9879
      @rafaelblackman9879 Před 3 lety +6

      *Cries in Mega Man main*

    • @NVS_Snake
      @NVS_Snake Před 3 lety +6

      Ive noticed that a lot of Pros think PacMan is better than Snake. Better at camping and better at boxing. Runs faster. Safer moves

    • @keller_3180
      @keller_3180 Před 3 lety +6

      @@NVS_Snake yeah I love snake but his one saving grace is his kill power is over all better (outside of really dumb kill confirms) and he definitely has the best ledge trapping in the game, oh and I also think his edge guarding is really good but some disagree

    • @SeriousStriker
      @SeriousStriker Před 3 lety +1

      *Cries in Gyro*

    • @BladeOath
      @BladeOath Před 3 lety +1

      @@keller_3180 cries with joker down gun at off stage

  • @stixsis4656
    @stixsis4656 Před 3 lety +5

    Pac-Man player is in the air for 0.05 seconds
    Fiire hydrant: Bonjour

  • @oireal7261
    @oireal7261 Před 3 lety +9

    One of my favourite things about following Larry on Twitch are the sneak peaks I get into the next character he'll cover. As soon as I saw Pacman in his title the other day, I got super excited!

  • @dscalis1
    @dscalis1 Před 3 lety +13

    i’ve been waiting for this moment for a long time as a pac main who’s favorite all around smash player/streamer/youtuber is larry!!!

  • @hanino6453
    @hanino6453 Před 3 lety +6

    Larry these character analysis type videos are so damn good, great work dude!

  • @imaksta
    @imaksta Před 3 lety +80

    Pac-Man is a jack-of-all-trades, but a master of all.

    • @innokawabata1168
      @innokawabata1168 Před 3 lety +3

      Master of all is a bit of a stretch since he's definitely not a midrange fighter nor can he compete with the rushdown characters

    • @user-bx1bv6ng9t
      @user-bx1bv6ng9t Před 3 lety +3

      @@innokawabata1168 BS he can’t compete with rushdown. he can box up close better than a large number of the cast. midrange zoning means nothing to him either bc his zoning is also broken. he has an answer for everything

    • @innokawabata1168
      @innokawabata1168 Před 3 lety +4

      @@user-bx1bv6ng9t chill my dude, no need for profanity. If he has an answer for everything then explain to me why the majority of the community puts him at best high tier

    • @brycenrushing4412
      @brycenrushing4412 Před 3 lety +1

      @@innokawabata1168 I feel a lot of the community puts him easily high tier maybe top tier. At best high tier is a big stretch. That’s more like how people treat captain falcon

    • @Mufflin
      @Mufflin Před 3 lety +4

      @@brycenrushing4412 High tier is a stretch? Says who?

  • @tropicalmonix1038
    @tropicalmonix1038 Před 3 lety

    Great video, love this type of content! Keep up the hard work 🤙

  • @madnesshero333
    @madnesshero333 Před 3 lety +39

    "my pac man is not very good" lol okay dude. those mix ups on that ganon almost made me throw up

    • @OlaAremu
      @OlaAremu Před 3 lety +12

      That's just general experience, anyone who has played for a long time can make those reads, no matter the character they are playing

    • @EnharmonicYT
      @EnharmonicYT Před 3 lety

      That combo he did on Sephiroth... fucking beautiful

  • @superfreddybrosespanol6781

    My favorite part of the video! 12:47
    Because I like the're giving a use to Ganondorf's Up Tilt!

  • @LuisGonzalez0505
    @LuisGonzalez0505 Před 3 lety +2

    thank you for actually making a video today & not just another reaction like everyone else

  • @iamossum
    @iamossum Před 3 lety

    I really like the format of these videos

  • @evergreen8600
    @evergreen8600 Před 3 lety +4

    It’s when you watch the beefy smash doots that you realize pac-mans meta and possibilities is almost infinite

  • @EmoryIllustrated
    @EmoryIllustrated Před 3 lety +11

    Every time somebody calls the Galaxian ship a "Galaga", I die a little inside

  • @blue_musicals
    @blue_musicals Před 3 lety +1

    I wanna see more of the Larry Pac Man

  • @Nopal_ku
    @Nopal_ku Před 3 lety +13

    As a Pac-Man main i just spam fair and it keeps working

  • @Rspknlikeab0ssxd
    @Rspknlikeab0ssxd Před 3 lety +1

    "Dude that must be tilting." -Larry Lurr, 2021.

  • @d0ubtingThom4s
    @d0ubtingThom4s Před 3 lety +1

    Damn, didn't even need to use the hydrant in the games lol

  • @intellectualblackking162

    One of my favorite characters to play

  • @igotthemunchies7292
    @igotthemunchies7292 Před 3 lety +1

    As a Pac-Main/Samus this makes me happy

    • @MrMadmaninahat
      @MrMadmaninahat Před 3 lety

      ayyy i main the same two but have been working my pichu to cover pacs bad match ups

  • @XC11301991
    @XC11301991 Před 3 lety

    Ah damn I really wanted to watch that FFA set

  • @prama5
    @prama5 Před 3 lety

    Here we can appreciate the Falco Agenda in action 14:01

  • @shaixiii
    @shaixiii Před 3 lety +2

    Larrry has fought BassMage more than the Arizona PR has

  • @FlappyCat-ef6oq
    @FlappyCat-ef6oq Před 3 lety

    the up b doesn't hit shield anymore the unblockable thing is just a smash4 thing

  • @yoshi8397
    @yoshi8397 Před 3 lety +1

    I love BassMage

  • @SaltymanGaming
    @SaltymanGaming Před 2 lety

    Why does a multi-hit dash attack have like zero frames of endlag? Lol. I play Pacman sometimes and that move still throws me off every time. If you can time it you can jump out of the hits on shield, but on the other hand you can also get a free followup if people fall out of the last hit. It can also combo them into a lot of things if you hit them against the hydrant, which will break it and hit the opponent. The dash attack (or side b) also negates the pushback from the water so you don't have to time it around the water spouts.
    His biggest issue is definitely his Up Tilt and the Up Air making him rise. Almost all of his combos and easy hydrant breaks are all horizontal.. Even if your standing right on top of the hydrant you can't hit it with up tilt or sh up air, and Up Smash whiffs so you can't make it launch straight up from the ground.

  • @the0therethan
    @the0therethan Před 3 lety

    Pac mans dash attack has 7 total frames of endlag
    I haven’t been able to sleep since I learned this

  • @edwinnaranjo9435
    @edwinnaranjo9435 Před 3 lety +1

    can you go over Tildes win over mars recently

  • @niksooxyz
    @niksooxyz Před 3 lety +3

    I've mained him since smash 4 and it makes me so happy that he's one of the best characters in the game after how awful he was before :)

  • @CassGretch
    @CassGretch Před 3 lety

    His grab beats spot dodge

  • @erudo6136
    @erudo6136 Před 3 lety +4

    Plz talk about Pichu next, the most glass canon character in ultimate

    • @patrickburton1401
      @patrickburton1401 Před 3 lety

      The only glass canon in ultimate. Imo glass canon doesn’t exist in this game since everyone hits like a truck

    • @BarcelonaBlitzer
      @BarcelonaBlitzer Před 3 lety

      G&W has to be pretty darn close too right?

    • @erudo6136
      @erudo6136 Před 3 lety

      @@BarcelonaBlitzer Yeah

    • @Simon-hs7ik
      @Simon-hs7ik Před 2 lety

      *the glass of smash ultimate

    • @erudo6136
      @erudo6136 Před 2 lety

      @@Simon-hs7ik Canon too. Combo and killing machine.

  • @KareemZebib
    @KareemZebib Před 3 lety

    mfw LarryLurr uploads

  • @nathanlevesque7812
    @nathanlevesque7812 Před 3 lety

    troo fax

  • @TheEmeraldTyrant
    @TheEmeraldTyrant Před 3 lety +2

    Pacman is a bandai namco character. Kazuya is a bandai namco character. Larry big brained on accident today

  • @smartpatrick8690
    @smartpatrick8690 Před 3 lety

    If Chief or Doom guy gets in this could change

  • @fupalover
    @fupalover Před 3 lety +2

    Why haven't you done a Samus video yet?

  • @Slice_k
    @Slice_k Před 3 lety

    Period

  • @BenD_Bass
    @BenD_Bass Před 3 lety

    you can up air after a short hop back air

  • @amestrisgone
    @amestrisgone Před 3 lety +1

    The hydrant
    Gives him an automatic wall that cannot be stopped or punished
    Shields him from projectile camping
    Gives him all the time in the world to set up
    As you said is a stage hazard basically
    That move needs to be removed and be replaced by something else

    • @FlappyCat-ef6oq
      @FlappyCat-ef6oq Před 3 lety

      you can hit it back at him and pressure him through it if you know what you're doing

    • @amestrisgone
      @amestrisgone Před 3 lety +1

      @@FlappyCat-ef6oq the pacman player will always be closer to the hydrant and will always have more experience using it
      And yes there is counterplay but is very match up reliant, a lot of characters have no option but to put of with it, like if you dont have a strong disjointed up air like ivys or shulk, you really cant help but to let pacman land
      I think the reason why people dont realize how badly designed the hydrant is, is because pacman himself is not very common

    • @FlappyCat-ef6oq
      @FlappyCat-ef6oq Před 3 lety +1

      @@amestrisgone lack of experience against a character doesn't make the character good. Every time pacman puts down hydrant, he gets put in endlag and he has to get off hydrant, so you will always have the frame advantage unless you're on the other side of the stage or something. You say it cannot be stopped or punished but thats simply not true and you're probably just giving it too much respect.

    • @vick7868
      @vick7868 Před 3 lety

      @@FlappyCat-ef6oq as a Pac player it depends on who you are. However in the air Hydrant can be clanked with most things and if you're good at juggling you can catch him in the air with no Hydrant and keep him in disadvantage.

    • @Greenietheotaku
      @Greenietheotaku Před 2 lety

      "That move needs to be replaced with something else"
      I'm sorry but it's been there since Smash 4 and they just buffed it. Stop complaining

  • @calebeden9940
    @calebeden9940 Před 3 lety +3

    Who do you think is better Roy or chrom?

    • @user-jc2jp7rd9f
      @user-jc2jp7rd9f Před 3 lety +2

      depends on the matchup but I'd say roy

    • @CanadianBaconPwnage
      @CanadianBaconPwnage Před 3 lety

      Played by an average player, they are both the same tier wise in my opinion. But Roy's sour spots and better recovery give him a higher ceiling, so I'd say Roy overall.

    • @sikeyno.8797
      @sikeyno.8797 Před 3 lety +1

      Roy is better i think mainly because he’s so fast and deals so much damage and he also doesn’t struggle to kill at all and his recovery is alot better than chroms

  • @Matthew_Tyler
    @Matthew_Tyler Před rokem

    Fun fact: Some of pac's bonus fruits can actually beat out wolf laser.

  • @Simon-hs7ik
    @Simon-hs7ik Před 3 lety

    Shulk is the best zoner if we're getting into technicalities. Sword characters with a few exception are zoners by definition.

  • @Descro382
    @Descro382 Před 3 lety +1

    You seem to actually have fun playing Pac-Man Larry, do it more lol

  • @valorousAV
    @valorousAV Před 3 lety +1

    i like how in this game pac man has the besy grab but in smash4 he had the worst one

  • @mylastnamescox
    @mylastnamescox Před 3 lety

    I love fighting against pac man. But he is a damn good character

  • @jaqf
    @jaqf Před 3 lety

    did he use hydrant once

  • @-supportsystem-2403
    @-supportsystem-2403 Před 3 lety +1

    Larry please analyze Tweek’s tier list, it has a lot of hot takes. Shiek in top tier, Peach high tier, Steve in mid tier (although he said he’d change later). Thank you have a nice day king!

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      People agree with peach’s placement actually

    • @Simon-hs7ik
      @Simon-hs7ik Před 3 lety +1

      @@okayperson3041 like 5 people in the comment section actually agreed
      sheik almost in top 10 is definitely a hot take tho

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      Yep

  • @Ivan_2201
    @Ivan_2201 Před 3 lety

    Dk grounded up b goes through hydrant
    Just a lil FYI

  • @Mr.Cynical
    @Mr.Cynical Před 3 lety

    14:02
    The Falco Agenda strikes again. XD

  • @sauce8277
    @sauce8277 Před 3 lety

    Did he even mention how his down air kills?

  • @seth7726
    @seth7726 Před 3 lety

    pac-god

  • @sSynclare
    @sSynclare Před 3 lety +1

    you already have a video about gunner with similar title lmao

  • @light_skit
    @light_skit Před 3 lety +5

    I didn’t know nair was disjointed. That explains a lot.

    • @felixperezdiener1361
      @felixperezdiener1361 Před 3 lety

      What does disjointed mean?

    • @light_skit
      @light_skit Před 3 lety

      @@felixperezdiener1361 I just think of it like a sword hit box.

    • @light_skit
      @light_skit Před 3 lety

      @@felixperezdiener1361 basically when Pac-Man nairs, you can’t hit him unless the move has more priority

  • @legitgamer8686
    @legitgamer8686 Před 3 lety

    13 damage for the hydrant btw

  • @meey-
    @meey- Před 3 lety +14

    I personally think pac man is top 10 in the game

  • @RazorDevil1
    @RazorDevil1 Před 3 lety

    larry this videos gonna be obsolete when master chief comes out

  • @LemonBoyGames
    @LemonBoyGames Před 3 lety +16

    I don't think his grab is the best in the game, characters like luigi and joker have better ones

    • @Kmonroe3
      @Kmonroe3 Před 3 lety +18

      Joker and Luigi get much more out of their grabs. However the actual grab of Pac-Man is nuts

    • @Coach_Ax
      @Coach_Ax Před 3 lety +1

      Samus

    • @averagamer9222
      @averagamer9222 Před 2 lety

      Their throws are better, but not the grab itself.

  • @Mikexmerchant
    @Mikexmerchant Před 3 lety

    this was a really good vid! Do you think Pac-man is a better Zoner than Min Min?

    • @averagamer9222
      @averagamer9222 Před 2 lety

      What part of the video title did you not understand lol

  • @lawfulstorm7469
    @lawfulstorm7469 Před 3 lety

    PAC GOD

  • @jemarshaw4986
    @jemarshaw4986 Před 3 lety

    Larry talk about ROB

  • @bigtoblerone8446
    @bigtoblerone8446 Před 3 lety

    Give Mewtwo the pacman grab mew2 is the premier psychic type pkmn anyways~

  • @MrFish-dc1zm
    @MrFish-dc1zm Před 3 lety

    Pac-Man is the yellow ball of menace who will ruin your dreams

  • @Nowel22222
    @Nowel22222 Před 3 lety

    You have to fast fall neutral airdodge to snipe the trampoline!!!

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      Pac-Mans will use trampoline at a distance where he only needs it once.

    • @Nowel22222
      @Nowel22222 Před 3 lety

      @@okayperson3041 sometimes it's forced, if you snipe the side b pellet sometimes they will fall low enough that they have to use all 3 up b bounces. It happens in the video, and Larry tries to directional airdodge to punish it. Fastfall neutral airdodge is how you beat that.

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      True

  • @LODphantom
    @LODphantom Před 3 lety +1

    As an Incineroar main i cant agree

    • @Delightfully_Bitchy
      @Delightfully_Bitchy Před 3 lety

      Could you please elaborate?

    • @LODphantom
      @LODphantom Před 3 lety +2

      @@Delightfully_Bitchy pacman is kind of a set up character he has a bunch of projectiles but can only have 2 out at a time and hydrant and his fruit can be used against pack so there is a way to counter him or disrupt his rhythm

    • @LODphantom
      @LODphantom Před 3 lety

      @@Delightfully_Bitchy personally ddd and samus have more annoying to deal with zoning pac gets alot off of his hits but if i can get in your face with a dodge or i catch a fruit and dont throw it he cant zone anymore

    • @vick7868
      @vick7868 Před 3 lety

      @@LODphantom Snake has better tools to zone imo but Pac has better boxing and comparable zoning ability. The character is insane, plus gets more off those projectiles with the combos.

  • @JustWatch-be7ph
    @JustWatch-be7ph Před 3 lety

    Dude, talk about Corrin

  • @Raziel_HHL
    @Raziel_HHL Před 3 lety

    Pac Man is DLC Wii Fit

  • @leo77774v
    @leo77774v Před 3 lety

    What about min min

  • @umbre2360
    @umbre2360 Před 3 lety +3

    Pac Man's grab beating spotdodges is the best thing in this game

  • @Delightfully_Bitchy
    @Delightfully_Bitchy Před 3 lety

    Personally, I prefer Megaman, but I'm glad Pac-Man is as awesome as he should have been in 4. Now if they could only do something about Robin...

  • @YojimboJames
    @YojimboJames Před 3 lety

    Why is he so good at boxing though?

  • @karlcossaboon7072
    @karlcossaboon7072 Před 3 lety +1

    uh
    snake?
    has better kill power
    better frame data
    better zoning abilities
    ?
    snake can also fight up close incredibly well.
    while being one of the best zoners in the game
    I guess I could maybe see how pac is better
    but u should explain why snake is worse

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      Better frame data and boxing options? STOP DA CAP

  • @staticchimera44
    @staticchimera44 Před 3 lety +2

    I still can't see Pac-Man as any better than high tier. To me he seems like he's between top of mid tier to middle of high tier. I just think a lot about Pac-Man is overrated at the moment, especially because people just really struggle to understand the matchup.
    I think his grab is overrated, it doesn't really have the range of other tether grabs so it can't abuse the safety of the range (it is more active yes but there's not much stopping a character from jumping, that's a free dair > knee).
    I think his combo game is overrated. He needs specific combo starters to start actually good combos. And if we're talking about item combos, ROB has better ones (ROB can literally kill you across the stage at as low as 0% with the new tech).
    I think his recovery is overrated. It's definitely a good recovery but people really don't abuse a lot of its weaknesses. Floaty characters like Kirby, Ness and Jigglypuff can stall out his side b and hit it. Characters with far reaching projectiles like Link, Villager and Falco can easily snipe him during it. And I don't think I have to explain why trampoline is an underwhelming recovery option.
    I think his landing game is overrated, people really just don't know how to do things like bait out hydrant or beat it out with an aerial.
    If you ask me, I think there are better zoners, like ROB, Steve, Min Min (if you count her as one), Link (BotW) and Mega Man. But I guess it's all just a matter of opinion, and what kind of potential you see in each character.

    • @j-meister3284
      @j-meister3284 Před 3 lety +1

      Just going to say that people don't rate him highly for no reason.

    • @staticchimera44
      @staticchimera44 Před 3 lety +1

      @@j-meister3284 I am aware of that. I just think that people could use more matchup experience. Even Nairo agrees. It's not hard to think that a character could be overrated due to the lack of exposure that players have to them right?

    • @Simon-hs7ik
      @Simon-hs7ik Před 3 lety +1

      I agree entirely except for the fact that steve is somehow a zoner. He camps, sure, but his goal isn't to wall the opponent out.

    • @staticchimera44
      @staticchimera44 Před 3 lety

      @@Simon-hs7ik Yeah, I can definitely see that. The definition of zoner can be really difficult to remember and apply to different characters, since there are so many different playstyles.

  • @carthagegaming5545
    @carthagegaming5545 Před 3 lety

    Gotta be between him and ROB right?

  • @westide3050
    @westide3050 Před 3 lety +5

    Fun Pacman Fact: Pacman isn't a real man

    • @Delightfully_Bitchy
      @Delightfully_Bitchy Před 3 lety +3

      Well he is now, thanks to power pellets. That's why him and the Misses are always smiling like their in an Enzyte commercial.

  • @SableVods
    @SableVods Před 3 lety

    I play aggressive pac so I agree
    edit: uptilt is probably one of the worst up tilts in the game its so bad

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      But tea makes that move look incredible for pac

  • @EigoSensei
    @EigoSensei Před 3 lety +1

    He won't be after today...

    • @Delightfully_Bitchy
      @Delightfully_Bitchy Před 3 lety

      Sakurai: Well, Larry Lurr said he was great, so we better nerf the fuck out of him.

  • @22laws22
    @22laws22 Před 3 lety

    He has different projectiles and a mediocre anvil that can push people away

    • @vick7868
      @vick7868 Před 3 lety

      It can be used in insane traps and combos and Bonus Fruit is stupid versatile

  • @Cadesworth
    @Cadesworth Před 2 lety

    To be fair I think pacman is a hybrid character, not a pure zoner.

  • @mr.mudkip250
    @mr.mudkip250 Před 3 lety +2

    SNAKE IS BEST ZONER, SNAKE NUMBER 1

    • @sikeyno.8797
      @sikeyno.8797 Před 3 lety

      actually i do think snake has better tools for zoning but overall pac man is a better character because pac man is just as good as a zoner as he is a boxer snake is an amazing zoner but can kinda explode when u get in his face but with pac man u get in his face and he’ll do just as good as u were away from him

  • @musicman8371
    @musicman8371 Před 3 lety

    IMO Pac-Man's apple is hilariously stupid. So many people try to DI in after getting hit, forgetting that it pops em into the air.

  • @funnyusername4774
    @funnyusername4774 Před 3 lety

    Wait was that not already obvious

  • @blue_musicals
    @blue_musicals Před 3 lety

    Make a Mega Man video 👀

  • @Bee-N64
    @Bee-N64 Před 3 lety +9

    Anyone saying he isn't the best zoner is surely part of the Pac-Man Propaganda

  • @cullenhutchison6528
    @cullenhutchison6528 Před 3 lety +2

    I agree that Pac-Man is very good, but I think R.O.B. takes the title of best zoner.

  • @brutal_lui
    @brutal_lui Před 3 lety

    I prefer Rob, so much so that I'm considering maining him. My MK isn't going to win me a major anytime soon

    • @user-jc2jp7rd9f
      @user-jc2jp7rd9f Před 3 lety +6

      I mean, statistically speaking: no character will win you a major anytime soon lol

    • @brutal_lui
      @brutal_lui Před 3 lety +3

      @@user-jc2jp7rd9f although that is true, Rob is more likely to win a major then MK will

  • @VB3Pac
    @VB3Pac Před 3 lety

    Pac-Man Agenda

  • @maxwellbrittingham6816

    Kasuya os hands down the best zoner idk what your talking about

  • @sethandrews401
    @sethandrews401 Před 3 lety

    You should practice pacman

  • @danman1570
    @danman1570 Před 3 lety +1

    what about the samuses?

    • @Delightfully_Bitchy
      @Delightfully_Bitchy Před 3 lety

      I would think Megaman would be better at zoning then them, but I guess it really depends how one goes about zoning. My strategy is to keep opponents away until I can bait them into a mistake, for example.

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      Samus isn’t even close to being as good as pac

  • @LurningCurve
    @LurningCurve Před 3 lety +6

    Gunner mains rolling their eyes. “Why do we even exist?”

    • @AverageDoctor345
      @AverageDoctor345 Před 3 lety +1

      Mii Gunner best zoner

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety +2

      Are y’all trying to meme? If so then gunner the best character in the game

    • @AverageDoctor345
      @AverageDoctor345 Před 3 lety

      @@okayperson3041 For serious though, I think Gunner is high tier.

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      Gunner IMO doesn’t have the tools to be high tier

    • @AverageDoctor345
      @AverageDoctor345 Před 3 lety

      @@okayperson3041 Let's agree to disagree then.

  • @xXgoldfistXx
    @xXgoldfistXx Před 3 lety

    pac man is the best zoner then just say imma fuck around and be aggressive

  • @youtubeyt5694
    @youtubeyt5694 Před 2 lety

    Does min min count as a zoner? Because shes definetly better than pac man

  • @devilsephiroth9000
    @devilsephiroth9000 Před 3 lety

    Pac-man has the longest range in the game. Period. Made a video. If you wanna check it out

  • @supermantoy
    @supermantoy Před 3 lety +1

    I think he’s more of a traps character

  • @changedman430
    @changedman430 Před 3 lety

    I hate fighting against pac

  • @jackmullenbach6351
    @jackmullenbach6351 Před 3 lety

    Rob is the best zoner

  • @marin9412
    @marin9412 Před 3 lety +2

    I don’t think he’s the best zoner, he’s just the best character out of all zoners. But some other character, that are still worst than pac-man, have a better zoning than him, like samus or mii gunner

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety +1

      But he has better boxing options and disadvantage states than most zoners which makes up for his worse zoning than others. Also Pac-Man has a really good advantage state

    • @marin9412
      @marin9412 Před 3 lety +2

      @@okayperson3041 Yeah I know I agree that he's the better zoner just not the best at zoning

    • @Simon-hs7ik
      @Simon-hs7ik Před 3 lety

      facts
      but shulk and wolf are technically zoners too so one of them is the best zoner instead of pac

    • @okayperson3041
      @okayperson3041 Před 3 lety

      Shulk is a sword character though

    • @Simon-hs7ik
      @Simon-hs7ik Před 3 lety

      @@okayperson3041 sword characters are by definition zoners