Race continues to be key factor in SA politics
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- Political parties have long vied for the support of the coloured and
black population, which forms one of the largest demographic groups in
the Western Cape.
The Institute of Justice and Reconciliation says it could play a
pivotal role in shaping the region's electoral outcome.
Some believe that beneath the surface of the rainbow nation lies a
history marred by the scars of racial division and inequality, giving
rise to the complex relationship between race and politics.
Political analyst Tessa Dooms and Patriotic Alliance head of strategy, Charles Cilliers, ANC member of Parliament, Cameron Dugmore and DA Gauteng deputy chairperson, Pogiso Mthimunye discuss this further.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.
I hate how the DA will front black faces to spread their BS.
They will front them, get rid of them, etc.
Your hate for the DA is emotional and irrational! The only ones spreading lies and bs is the faces of the ANC! The current ANC is NOT the ANC of Mandela and Mbeki!
@ DurandArthur You should mention Mandela and Thabo because the two have protected you for the longest time and hence you are so disrespectful. But all of this will end soon.
@@DumaM-ir7rk I don't know what this is supposed to mean! Good luck to you! I am just as poor as the poor, I squat and I hustle! I didn't benefit by being white, though I know many that does benefit by being white! I didn't inherit anything from my parents! I am living in poverty, hustling to live! I don't take this government's ransom money (SRD and other social grants)! and I pay my taxes on the money I earn from hustling! Be careful what you wish for! Civil war or genocide isn't pretty (if that's what you're implying! This corrupt ANC is bad for you! Fascism, Communism and socialism is also bad for you! Violence will cost those that survives more dearly than those who perish!
@ DurandArthur Please point to me where I tacitly or explicitly advocates for violence or any harm or damage to any property? Don’t muzzle discussion using psychological techniques that seek to evoke emotion from the public.
If anything people must wonder why your language was so violent on the first person who posted here?
You started using violent language and now you want to be the victim?
Race is a key factor in every area in this country. The majority of the Africans are feeling it every day in the private workforce. 🤷♂️
What they feeling in the private workforce if I may ask?
Whites and other non-white races, continue to look down at African people in general... Which leaves Africans with no choice but to wake up to that reality
Black ppl get most jobs coz of BEE ..
@@Ritesh-yy1zrracism
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 eish
When the DA talks about the failure of BEE why do they not address the role the private sector plays in corruption. Cyril is a billionaire but he didn’t invent anything, he was just given shares. There has to be conversation around why they are so comfortable inviting corrupt politicians into their businesses. The fact that Cyril was on the board of MTN, Nedbank, Lonmin etc needs to be addressed. The government is not corrupt by itself
The government can be corrupt by itself you should stop listening to the EFF and think for yourself. The Government employs people and pays itself. How does someone getting over paid or not paying the full amount to the private sector mean the private sector is the problem.
White people had to bribe these blacks to keep their businesses. Blacks just use the words racism and apartheid to get shares in private sectors businesses. Blacks believe in those leaders like Ramaphosa, Mandela, etc and that is why they get so rich.
You right Mr. DA people will judge parties on their deliverance. the DA delivered nothing to the poor In the Western Cape and that's why people are turning away from them.
Even if you are right, the ANC is riding on the backs of the poor, literally robbing the poor blind and holding them ransom with their social programs! The ANC has quite literally burned this country to the ground! The current ANC is not the ANC of Mandela or Mbeki! I submit to you that if we can only stop the corruption, malfeasance, maladministration, lack of leadership, poor policies, etc. the poor will eventually come out of poverty! Problem is that the ANC is holding the poor ransom with their social programs while robbing them blind!
Look, perhaps the DA didn't do enough for the poor, but to say that the DA did absolutely nothing is categorically false. Here's the bigger question: It took China about 30 years to become an economic miracle. South Africa could've been an economic miracle if this ruling party was serious. The ANC had two golden opportunities to completely restructure the economy, but instead they chose to enrich themselves. The ANC is literally holding the poor and the job seekers ransom with social programs that doesn't uplift the poor. Instead these poor social programs sets the poor back by holding them ransom. Look at the Social Relief Distress grant for an example, it should've been a temporary measure to get people working again. There are no jobs and no one can live on the SRD alone. Its better to do nothing than to implement bad policies, loot the SOEs, ruin once great state institutions like education, healthcare, policing and the national defense force, etc... If you do absolutely nothing for the poor and only implement good policies that are pro economy, pro workers and pro investment - You look after SOEs and improve failing state institutions like education, healthcare, policing and the defense force - the poor will be uplifted. The ANC claims to have done a lot for the poor, yet the reality is that year-on-year more people are worse off than they've been the year before. More people are impoverished by the ANC, in fact, the ANC is losing the war on poverty and crime. I submit to you that there's no political party that could be worse than the ANC.
Funny how you mention how the DA "did nothing for the poor", at the rate the ANC is killing the poor, pretty soon there won't be any poor to do anything for!
According to STATS SA, the Western Cape is by far the best governed Province in the whole of SA, thanks solely to the DA!
Do you know that four out of every five new jobs in SA over the past five years were created in the Western Cape?
If you want to live in a successful and prosperous country where people have jobs and where our country's infrastructure, including public schools and especially public hospitals really work, then vote for the DA and Multi Party Charter in 2024 to nake it happen!
See - DA delivers for the poor and vulnerable, BusinessDay.
You're right, but ANC, EEF, PA and some smaller parties wants the whole of the country to fall apart, so that no one can look up to the Western Cape as best running province. These parties even hang on to racism and apartheid because they hope it will benefit them.
@@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580listen, we don't care about you winning white people, we will challenge the DA in the western cape and we will eventually win, there's no hiding from the majority
We know about this increase in white male employment in the Western Cape. Black and coloured people see and experience this in the Western Cape. You hear countless stories from black and coloured people, talking about young matriculant white males being appointed above them, while they have been working at these companies for years.
If everyone was actually happy economically, we where going to be a rainbow nation indeed
That’s not going to happen. “When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”
@@khaltsharivist365 very true, that's why certain groups of society don't want socialists policies so that there's a certain level of equality , they wanna remain the minority withholding wealth
DA n FF+ are recsist parties
you are delusional....black people dont need equality we need dominance....because we are the majority....whytes , and asians are dominant in countries where they are the majority...so why should africa be different..??
@@khaltsharivist365 It should've happened, the ANC had two golden opportunities, in 1994 and during the pandemic! If they were serious, they would've completely restructured the economy. South Africa, like China should've been an economic miracle!
If you have ever went out to seriously look for jobs in SA as part of the supermajority and you saw the predominant hue of management, you were hit dead in the face with the fact that racism plays an incredible role in society still. But the manager doesn't think so...☺
But no one reports it. Funny there so much racism which is breaking the laws but no one reports it.
I hate how the conversation about foreigners working is always about service jobs but we don’t speak about people with EU passports getting hired and not even having work visas.
Race is perpetuated by politicians ,normal citizens have a common enemy and are trying to stay alive and do the best they can.Economics is the main problem.
thats what you want 2 believe...
so don't suck at math and economics!
Who is responsible for neglecting a murder rate worse than that of a country at war? Who is responsible for neglecting the violence against our women and children? ... and the longer they remain in power the worse it gets!
Rainbow nation was a scam
yip look at BEE.. flippen racists
EVERYONE bleeds the same colour blood... I think every race feels it these days. Parents teach their kids to hate and be critical, why not start teaching how important it is to care for each other no matter what race? That was Madiba's dream... together we can change EVERYONE's lives for the better, but stressing differences all the time and harping on the past isn't helping at all. This DA guy speaks sense.
The problem is people look to much at the skin colour's and don't think !!!!
@@gerriedoll154when you apply for a job and most managers are white in a supermajority black country, something invites you to look at it.
DA is a racist party
DA n FF+ are rascist parties
DA is Rasciist party
I absolutely love the DA!!!
Leader Charles we love you sir !!!! Salute, you one of the best speakers period !!!
It’s really sad that race plays such a pivotal role in politics in South Africa. It means that all the other issues, such as intermittent electricity, failing water infrastructure, 40% unemployment of citizens, one of the the highest murder rates in the world, dependency of aid from other countries…..all of those things get put on the back burner… because of the color of everyone’s skin! The most qualified people may not be hired … because of the color of their skin. No electricity because of fighting over color of skin… instead of fighting corrupt government officials! South Africa cannot move forward, because color of skin trumps everything else. That is heartbreaking.
To be honest, everything has race , land , electricity, houses, banks, all these things are prioritiesed based on race...who lives in townships in this country...?,?is it not a particular race...????
Everyone lives in townships except most zulus 🤭
Until powers are balanced in all sectors of business and our people are paid descent salaries the race issue will never stop.Racists still show their arrogance in working enviroment and also with some political parties so how is it going to stop@@avrilmemela9392?It's sad.
As long as you keep excluding financial inequalities then you'll continue to be "baffled" by why we don't prioritise the same things.
@@avrilmemela9392 ag shame. Well if you rely on social grants and laziness then you get what you give lol.. you have to contribute and work harder to get on the hill.. and hold the ANC accountable for your loss not the white people.
It's funny that the ANC, PA and DA brought their tokens to speaking on black issues what a movie this country is😂
Until economic inequality....that demon is not going away
The Gini Coefficient ( which measures inequality) in the Western Cape has dropped to 0,59, while the National Average is much higher at 0,68!!
This is because the economy of the Western Cape is much better managed and is able to produce more jobs!!
Do you know that four out of every five new jobs in SA over the past five years were created in the DA governed Western Cape?
The Western Cape also allocates large portions of its Budget ( 75%) towards direct poverty alleviation at its source!
See - DA delivers for the poor and vulnerable, BusinessDay.
See- Impressive new school in the Western Cape, CZcams.
@@tonitappous2422what you neglect to mention on your intellectual dishonesty spin there is that you are citing a letter written by DA Western Cape Premier candidate Alan Winde using plucked up numbers. SA Gini-coeffient is 0.63 not 0.68. What is the Gini-coefficient for Limpopo for example? What is the Gini-coefficient for the city of Capetown?
Imraan Valodia Professor of Economics at Wits University says “Efforts have been made to change the patterns of inequality in South Africa. but not enough has been done. Race based inequality is still a real problem.”
He goes on to say wealth inequality is much worse than income inequality. 0.01% of the people just 3,500 own 15% of all the wealth in South Africa, the top 0.1% own 25% of the wealth. The wealth of the top 1% is just under USD1m and the bottom 50% have negative wealth… they have liabilities of USD850. You are not going to address that via creating semi skilled jobs…income inequality as he rightly points out only measures a portion of the real unequality. The brain trust in the DA is not remotely interested in addressing that. They want to create an enclave to insulate settler privilege by any means necessary.
Some whites are rascists
And it's driven by The ANC and Eff makes me sad 😢
No it is not. The economy plays a huge role in separating South Africans. As long as the majority of black people remain poor and white people owning the economy, we will never see eye to eye.
@@tmlsa9830 No bro there are many poor whites and rich blacks you have been brainwashed. Just listen to yourself you sound like Juluis. I feel so sorry for you that you think white people control the economy and I can tell you the first thing you have to do to get free is to change your racist mentality. Goodluck bro
Im still waiting to see a white person fighting for equality..sharing ...b4 that ..nothing will change
Then you have no idea what equality is.
Yep, that is why I will never vote da or FF plus period, make no apology of that
This is a universal problem. This is a perennial crisis in first-world countries. Is there any country we can turn to for best practices? Cameron's performance indicates what not to say in a debate on race.
The Western Cape is the best example !!!
Don't take my word for it...get in your car and drive to cape town....within 8 or 10hrs....you are back in the 1980 s !!!!
So why do many moving to the a Western Cape?
The Western Cape is far more upgraded then most provinces. Changes in Western Cape can be seen all over, but it's the jealous, hatred and unintelligent ones that see only the bad things.
Western Cape is the best run province in SA. Drive through the other provinces and you can see the damage what the ANC has done through corruption! Wake up!
@@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580 its only because the Zionists, the Jews, Americans, and British who dominate the area make sure our tax money services their preferred location.
Thats why everyone is flooding into the WC and doing massive land grabs.
A White guy representing a Coloured party, a Coloured lady wearing a Black votes matter Tshirt, a Black guy representing a White party and a White guy representing a Black party, who said we have racial issues in SA🤷♂ Ja neh, South Africans live in the twilight zone, we're hilarious without even trying😂...like TKZ said, we love this place ♥
Haha. Brilliant observation. I didn't even notice that. 😂😂😂
this sister with " BLACK POWER SHIRT " is well equipped with highly black excellence, she got ammunitions..
Mr Cameron has used the word BLACK more than anyone else.
How about liberals in the US calling people of color African-Americans, yet they don't know Africa? Political correctness strips us from our humanity and insults us! Racism is evil, but being politically correct...??? Being politically correct doesn't solve the issue of racism!
trusting the PA speaker the most. sincerity oozes
The problem that the country has now is narrow minded politicians who just use people as elements of voting instead of paving the way for the people to be able to build their country across the board this country is dysfunctional due to charity mindset that our leaders has they're installing this mentality to government so that the government is unable to develop the people except give away grants in future where is this grant money is going to come from as we're failing to build the economy
😢LAND 😢ECONOMIC FREEDOM 😢❤
The problem with BEE pushing only the small black elite(who are politically connected) to the top is not the problem with BEE. This is the same problem with capitalism. Capitalism rewards individualism, network and location, like real estate.
It (race) will continue to be a key factor, especially in a province, like the Westen Cape, where the very stark outcomes and consequences of inequality is clearly visible. 17 years of DA-rule in the Western Cape have made inequality along racial lines in that province, even worse. So, it is not surprising that race is being used as a politicking tool, rightly so, in that province.
The PA is delusional. Race does define who you are in this country, unfortunately, whether we like it or not. Be it a product or consequence of colonialism, apartheid and post-apartheid policies. Doing away with race labels does not take away racism, and it severe socio-economic consequences for primarily black and brown people in this country.
This is for Mr Cameron.
Ramaphosa says he is processing Phala Phala refund.
CHAPTER 16: RECOMMENDATION
264. In light of all the information placed before the panel, we conclude that this information discloses, prime facie, that the President may have committed:
• 261.1 A serious violation of the section 96[2][a].
• 264.2 A serious violation of section 34[1] of PRECCA.
• 264.3 A serious misconduct in that the President violated section 96 [2][b] by acting in a
way that is inconsistent with his office.
• 264.4 A serious misconduct in that the President violated section 96[2][b] by exposing
himself to a situation involving a conflict between his official responsibilities and his private business of the Constitution.
"...wide people could have stayed, no matter what you think of their politics" = even if they were racist t😊hey could have stayed...
DOOMS - Independent analyst...Yet her T-Shirt says otherwise
Dooms has never been independent but she is certainly clueless
1955 ANC 💎💎💎✍️
32:23 We will never be equally successful!!!!!! Never!!!!!!
Race is playing the part in this country is because we are too emotionally in such a way that we do not listen to each politian of what is going to offer only to say I am not gonna vote such and such because of the back ground recently we were having this conversation amang ourselves as a group friends I black and white the first question was to one of guys can you vote ANC the guy no the question was asked to other black guy can you vote DA the guy said no I am saying should we change the emotional mentality than we will get ot right
DA man speaks sin , he know what he us talking about.
Black Africa shame on me we African we koisan we have the world boesman van Africa koisan
None of the political parties are here to see for the upliftment of ALL (irrespective of race) the people of this country. I’m not even sure why politics has to be about RACE. The racists should actually get counseled before gettting into politics to get that out of their system. For all jobs applicants people need to have qualifications, experience and education matters, today even degrees does not mean much . Yet politicians do not have to have any qualifications, nor do they have to necessarily prove themselves or care about the people in this country nor about uplifting the country as a whole. Whoever is in control are just there for their own agendas. Where are true leaders who want to take this country forward, to higher levels, to see South Africans irrespective of color, lives improved? I just do not understand rulers of countries. Should we not be proudly South Africans? Wanting to see a rainbow nation, improvement and respect as citizens of this country? Should we not be working together to build up instead of breaking down this country, its people and economy. How wonderful it would be to live and work together in perfect peace and harmony to uplift the citizens of South Africa as a whole!
Speaking about the poor….the billions of Rands stolen from this country should have been used to impact ALL the poor with housing , education, medicals etc. the thieves are criminals and should be brought to justice and not allowed to be in politics after all we want to follow God fearing leaders who leads with respect compassion integrity and righteousness peace and joy!!!
It could be because there are people who live in poverty today
Poverty caused by ANC deliberately .
If you want to live in a successful and prosperous country where people have jobs and where our country's infrastructure, including public schools and especially public hospitals really work, then vote for the DA and Multi Party Charter in 2024 to make it happen!!
Do you know that four out of every five new jobs in SA over the past five years were created in the DA governed Western Cape??
See - DA delivers for the poor and vulnerable, BusinessDay.
See - Impressive new school in the Western Cape, CZcams.
Stupidity, ignorance, entitlement, laziness, corruption are the key factors in SA
Amasimba kaJan van Rreebeick
Thieves stole land, resources and stocks in 1652
Jan van Rreebeick is a thief of 1652
Thieves in 1652
There's no way that togetherness will change anything. Employment equity minimum is a racist policies. The only and best solution is that we must stay in homelands where we can run ourselves as different races. We will then see who manages and run homeland the best.
PA is the same as DA. I'm definitely not voting for them. You have lost my vote.
Eyes wide open.
See - Impressive new school in the Western Cape, CZcams.
Not interested in the da, no matter what they do
This country is not a black country , the first people of this country are the koi and San but there is not one of them in a position of meaning in this countries government and there are none in the SABC where their voices can represent their culture just like has happened with the Afrikaaners language has been basically removed from every single advert and other institutions . The historical hatred of the English towards the Dutch has carried on in our countries history since the English arrived in the 1800's till today .
PA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Race will forever be a factor in all sectors all over he world, we must accept it and live with it for the simple reason it is created like that and it is a reality. We are not the same, take for instance the state of this country at the moment and what we have before 1994, there is a huge difference and it make no sense looking for excuses all the time, fact is some people have certain abilities and others not. Take a look at what the Solidarity Movement is doing for its members, why can't other people do the same?
Not quiet. I may remain a factor but it will not be as significant as it is now as socio-economic challenges are resolved. You can see this loud and clear but the relatively large black support for the DA and other "white" parties
Why can't you do it in Europe, our only problem is that we did not go to Europe to experience the people who have certain abilities. They imposed themselves on us...
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 "our only problem is that we did not go to Europe to experience the people who have certain abilities" You certainly ignore the legal and illegal African migrants flooding Europe WHY! They flee a rich continent to go and live with the white racists WHY! "Why can't you do it in Europe" Why should I, my ancestors develop this country since 1652 you destroyed it in just 30 years.
Is koi san bru nie wit en swartie asb kom reg🤔
Xenophobic party
I am SO OVER this conversation. I am not going to apologise anymore for being white. I have gained absolutely zero through my whiteness. I did not inherit anything, did not get free university education, got no university education at all in fact, have to hang on to the same old job for years and years because I dont qualify for the jobs that are advertised. I dont own anything, it appears that I own a house when in fact it is the bank owning it. And everyday I have to hear how entitled I am. NO just NO. The american black populace still have the exact same issues that the SA blacks have. This will never ever end. The victim mentality is real and prolonged and constantly being harped on by useless discussions like this.
You are being dishonest, you drove to university from a beautiful suburb...while 60% of black students are coming from Townships, that white racist government spatial planning chose for them.....Your mentality is a product of racial privilege, you have knowledge but you lack wisdom...The good thing is ...South Africans do not need people with your mentality to rebuild this country...The country has moved on without you...wake up,,
Who asked you to apologize? We don't care about you as an individual. What we are doing is systemic strategies to address transformation.
Boo hoo, cry me a flippin river!
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Who is crying 😂 You are the one who is whining about not being apologetic about being white? We don't care.
@@zusibone not whining, doing something about it. The galvanising entreaties to action may sound like whining in the interim but they are not, I assure you😊
Cameon Dugmore is irrelevant
Shut down Orania first
Don't make your own life miserable rather help those who cannot develop their own Orania's.
Why??? Are you jealous ?? They show you how to run a town!!!!
@@nedor64we do want our own orania but some people will swear up and down that they are Africans when we attempt to take action, taking us to court to stay in our orania against our will😢
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Who's that people?
@@nedor64 Dutch settlers in the main.
1955 ANC 💎💎💎✍️