In this video, I try and explain whether or not I think law school is hard. The real answer is that law school is "different", and this can create difficulty for some people.
I really enjoy your videos! I am seriously considering going to law school. I am 40 yrs old I have been in the realestate business for past twenty years. I have loss over $300k do to my ignorance of the law. I am considering go back to school to take up Law. By way of listening to your videos , It seems like just going to law school won't be enough. Listing to what you are saying , what I'm understanding is it seem I will actually have to practice law to better understand how to apply the law to any any given factual circumstance. It's crazy how law schools won't teach students how to apply law to factual situations. Anyway I just subscribed to your channel keep the videos coming thanks.
Thats great that you had a base of support to help each other out. I think study groups are really useful. I was never the type to just go it alone, so having friends to study with and have fun with is really invaluable.
Thank God i came across this channel. Ii'm starting in about a month and these are fantastic tips and insights. I really appreciate it man, thanks again
At this point, just enjoy being a teenager, have fun, do well in school, etc. Don't worry at all about your career choice as an 8th grader. You will have many many years to think about it. Don't think about law school, dream schools (at that age, you can't possibly know anything about the schools aside from the names), or how to get into them. Again, just do well in high school, but more importantly, have fun and enjoy yourself. No need to worry about this stuff yet.
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I've only just started watching your videos but I was wondering, since you'd possibly be graduate by now, if you would do it again or recommend that people go into law school still. Of course this would factor in the debt, saturation, etc, I'm just wondering your opinion.
Nick Sanborn I personally would do it again, since it made sense given my particular circumstances. Whether it is "worth it" is a very subjective question, so just because I say its worth it for me doesn't necessarily mean I'd say its worth it for you. For the majority of people, I'd probably say law school is not the right path, since too many people go not really knowing what lawyers do, underestimating the debt load and how it can affect your life, just going because they "are good at arguing", etc.
Nick Sanborn But for those who truly understand what lawyers do (via internships, shadowing, networking, etc), who can minimize their debt as much as possible, etc., it can still be a great choice. I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but its all dependent on the circumstances, and its a very subjective decision
I'm not worried about the debt much seeing as I have parents willing to front the cost of attending but I am hearing so much about how saturated the field has become and wondering if that effected your decision
Nick Sanborn It certainly affected it to some extent. In one of my videos, I discuss how each market has a hierarchy. Attending a low-ranked school in a place like DC or Chicago may not be a good idea because there is a saturation of students from a number of higher ranked schools. The saturation/market hierarchy factors largely depend on what market you are shooting for. Even without debt, you still want to maximize job prospects, so its something to consider
I typically don't disclose on the public comments what school I go to (I think the most specific I get in the videos was just to note that it is a top 10 school), since this helps preserve a bit of anonymity. If you are interested in learning more about my school in particular, I'd say send me a PM and I can share more details
I don't typically disclose which particular school I go to, as this helps preserve my anonymity. If you have specific questions about particular T10 schools, send me a private message, and I could perhaps discuss my school if you happen to be considering that school in particular
Absolutely, and its something I would really encourage. Go to the prof, ask questions about class, how to synthesize the material, pose hypotheticals to show that you are engaging the material, etc. You will get insight into how the prof. thinks, and will get a bit of affirmation as to how well you understand everything
I typically don't say in my videos specifically which school I go to. I think I mention in one video that its a top 10 school, but thats as much detail as I go into. If you happen to be considering the top 10 schools, and would like some more insight and detail, PM me instead
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You have great and informative info. I'm in my first yr doing the JD and I do find it hard, after doing the Lsat, Your still competing against students during your whole time at law school trying to get the highest grade so you'll eventually be employed at the end of all this. I like how you've framed this, that law school is 'different' and that's quite true. I took 6mths of from law school after finishing first semester because i was so stressed out because it was so hard- but when i look back it was really just different hence during that time I just worked and travel and did pre reading on just coping skills of law school study, especially how to write in a concise manner and the IRAC method. I wanted strategies. I came back more motivated and driven and got better marks even though the environment still had its competitive- perfectionist vibe still around. Sometimes you just need a break. What I've learnt so far is that You need great discipline, time management, drive and commitment to keep pursuing when studying law during your degree. I found that their were making sacrifices to be made such as not working many hours, or going out less, or seeing your friends less etc. I was trying to find your video on the bell curve concept but couldnt find it? Did you end up making one?
@cblast543 As the video mentions, the rigor is difficult to gauge. The material itself is relatively difficult, but nothing too terrible if you put in the time to understand it. These is certainly a great volume of reading, and you have to be ready and willing to read for many hours each night. It is a much greater overall time commitment than anything I experienced during undergraduate study. I would say it is more rigorous than undergraduate, and the curve makes it unpredictable as well
I'm pretty sure I discuss that in a few of my other videos such as "picking a law school" and "school rankings". General idea is that there are no hard and fast rules on what is worth it. Depends on the school ranking, where you want to end up working, how much scholarship you get, if your parents are helping you out, how much work experience you have, etc. In general, I'm risk averse so I'm not comfortable with huge debt, but in certain circumstances, it may be more justified
"You don't want to be feeling things out" is definitely the best advise to give a law student. 1L was super tough for me, and it was precisely because I didn't seek out advice from anyone to let me know how I was doing, and went into exams thinking I'd do fine just knowing the law.
When you first read the case, make sure you first understand what the holding is (i.e. the actual law that comes from the case). Also, it is important to understand the reasoning the court uses, since it clarifies how they reached the conclusion, and provides insight into how the court would approach future problems. It is important to understand the facts, but do not get too bogged down in minute details unless necessary. I will soon get back to videos, and make one about briefing cases.
@MrMraggies1996 That depends on what school you are trying to get into, what your college grades were, and what LSAT score you had. Whether it is hard is entirely relative to the situation. There are many schools that will almost always be hard to get into, but there are also many schools that are not selective at all (though many of those schools do not offer good job prospects)
Hey Great video. I'm not interested in law school but browsed here somewhat randomly and gave it a look. My neighbor is currently in law school now though and is constantly stressed. She's a former classical musician and possibly having a problem with the switch... Peace.
I was a business major, but you could literally be any kind of major. I have classmates who did performing arts, english, engineering, etc. Of course, being comfortable with writing, critical reading, etc. is helpful since you do so much of that. But by no means does that limit you as to what major you can/should choose. Honestly, choose something you truly enjoy and will do well in. if law school is your goal, you just need a high GPA, regardless of what classes you take.
Lest we forget that the JD is literally just the LLB rebranded (I would argue as a gatekeeping move but no need to litigate that). Hence, they’re much….weirder about admissions than other graduate schools, since in effect you only need an undergrad degree because the ABA arbitrarily decided you do.
Plus, it all depends on how you are defining "success" here. If we are just talking about the big prestigious firms, then yes, those jobs only go to those who are close to top of the class, or who go to the top schools. But those are far from the only job choices. Sure, smaller firms pay far less, but if a student went to a regional school in his home market, with very little debt, theres no reason why a small firm doesn't make sense to start
And as for employment prospects, like I've said, it all depends on the factors I listed earlier. School rank, regional ties, debt considerations, etc. all factor in. If you go to a top school, getting a job isn't hard. If you go to a non-top tier school, make sure it is in the area where you want to practice, and make sure not to take on much debt. The worst thing you can do is get too far away from your desired geographic area simply because of school ranking (unless its for a top school)
great stuff here! Started to be obsessed about law school after reading a book and, well, I'm wondering if I'll really like it D: thanks a lot but thing is that I'm from Romania and things are pretty different here :\ but it's still helpful! :)
Most schools have exams on file, and most profs instruct on how to access them. Profs usually explain what they want on the exam, but the best to get that info is to speak with the profs during the semester. As for the best ways to prep, I'd recommend watching my exam video. Make an outline you can commit mostly to memory, do lots of practice exams, identity the "forks in the road", and learn to pick out the important info in a set of facts. The book "Getting to Maybe" provides an overview
Good video! As a law school youtube creator and blogger, I must say that I agree, law school is hard for some and easier for others. Overall though, I would say that, in sum, it is a challenge.
"Like a lot of things in Law School, you'll find out there is no clear Yes or No answer, one way or the other, we always look at all the things that make it ambiguous and difficult" Bless you for this perfect description GOOOOSH !! Your video is 100% true. Wow ! Nice to know it's not just that way in France ! ;)
I should clarify that I am not a "rah rah" person when it comes to recommending law school (though at the same time, I'm not the type who cautious everyone away from it). For many, I think they get into it without fully understanding what it is, what it means to be a lawyer, what the job prospects are, etc. and for those people, I'm quick to caution them. But for those with the right mindset, who approach it the right way, there are certainly possibilities and opportunities
@000wowtube000 I am glad you found the video helpful. Definitely subscribe to my channel, and I will post many more. I do not know too much about LLB programs since they do not offer this type of degree in the US, so I could not tell you if the programs are similar. In the US, we have what are called LLM programs for foreign students who are lawyers in foreign countries but wish to practice in the US. In my school, there are many foreign students in the LLM program
@cblast543 The first year at any law school is pretty much the same. There are 6 core classes that almost every school has in the first year. These include constitutional law, criminal law, civil procedure, contracts, torts, and property. In addition, every school has some sort of writing program during the first year that introduces you to the basics of legal citation, composing memos, legal briefs, etc. Some schools may also have an elective during the first year.
Honestly, it depends. Depends on how much reading you have, whether you are outlining, how fast you digest material, how efficient you are, etc. I would typically dedicate about 5 hours to reading and studying. So, if my classes ended at 3, I would work for about 3 hours, eat dinner and take a break, then do another 2 hours or so around 7 or 8, and try and wrap things up around 10 so that I can relax before bed. But thats just me, and everyone works differently
Damn you motivate me I have 2 degrees as well and I was considering law school I have a bachelors and a masters degree as well and I'm trying to figure out if law school is right for me I'm 27
It really wasnt anything school-related that led me to law school. I was in the hospitality business after undergrad and I loved working with people face to face, solving their problems, helping any way I could, etc. But at the same time, I love critical thinking, logic, writing, etc. I figured that law was sort of the cross-section. It is a client-driven business (and yes, it is a business at the end of the day) that would allow me to deal with complex problems that require critical analysis
First of all thank you a lot I found it helpful to have an idea before making the big decision. 2nd you really do look like Eminem :) 3rd I have a question, Where I am staying now they don't have JD degree, so I am thinking to take LLB and then if I was lucky enough to come to the United States and do my JD. My LLB is 3 years awarded by University of London International Programs. Do you think I can do my JD after my LLB? Is LLB similar to JD?
I am 49 and I begin law school in 13 days. I have degrees in Economics (Bachelors and Masters), English Literature and Physics, Bachelors. Learning is non-stop. I am pretty excited about the next 3 years. Nice video.
Well, lots of people try for public interest positions, or work for smaller plaintiff side employment law firms. Some people go into criminal prosecution, or other areas that most certainly aren't "just helping businesses". As for the chances, these positions tend to be a bit more competitive, but if you are truly passionate about one of these areas and make it clear that it is your focus, you can help maximize your chances of ending up in that field
I typically use the general rules that, you should never go full debt for a school unless its a top tier school that will give you a big enough safety net to justify it. So if you are not considering the top tier schools, I generally recommend taking a more regional approach. This means picking a school close to where you want to actually end up practicing, and where debt isn't too terrible
Hi, I am international student at the law school and it is my first semester. Thank you for making videos and explaining the issues and obstacles that might face law school students. I have one question, What are some steps that you might take when you first see a case? Thank you again.
@metaknightkhotmailcm How hard it is to get into a school depends on what school you are trying to get into. There are various levels of schools ranging from very hard and selective all the way down to schools that will take almost anyone who applies. Almost every school will require the same information: LSAT score, GPA, personal statement, resume, recommendations, etc. But what LSAT score and GPA they are looking for depends on the school. Do you have a particular school in mind?
Alta, I am into my 5th week. Law school is certainly interesting. And be prepared to throw all "common sense" out the window. You have to really think. The reading seems and is endless. Grasping the important points, maintaining originality and learning to "infer" takes time. Week 1, my brain was swimming. Week 4 my brain was swimming. This weekend I began to organize everything. I recommend it for anyone. The education is really interesting.
Any major is acceptable. As I mentioned in some other comments, I have classmates who did history, english, engineering, music, and countless other things. It can help if your undergraduate coursework involves critical reading and writing. But otherwise, choose whatever you enjoy, and will do well in
The best way to know is to speak with lawyers, ask about what they do, perhaps try and get a job working in a law office, whether as a paralegal, or in some other capacity. You will never know unless you either immerse yourself in the environment, or speak with people who have
Thanks for posting this, currently a Music Business major, and saw media/entertainment law as an option. I took a media law class and did very well in it. I wouldn't be opposed to doing law other than entertainment, but obviously something in the arts is my most favorable interest. Is that necessarily a long shot? Did you end up going into the type of law you originally set out for?
Matt Basilotto It took some work, but I ultimately ended up in the substantive area that I wanted to end up in. Things like entertainment or sports law are narrow subsets of more general areas, so even if you don't go immediately into it, you can still build up the skills that may allow you to transition eventually. Entertainment law is also more prevalent in certain areas such as CA, so thats something to keep in mind. While it is great to have a top interest in mind, always be open to trying new areas since its very hard to know what area is for you before you even begin practice
Working hard is merely a prerequisite to doing well, but is no guarantee of anything. You have to work hard to process all the material, do all the reading, organize all your notes, engage the material, etc. But you have to work smart to figure out how all that stuff can be used on an exam, and how to best prepare for your professor's exam
The cutoff for what is unsatisfactory academic performance/failing is different at every school. For a school who only goes as low as a C- grade, then that would be considered their failing grade. Keep in mind that every school grades differently (though all use the curve). Some schools use tighter curves, some more widely distributed. Some go from A to F, some go A to C. It all depends on the school. Every school has a different median GPA and curve.
Though many firms are moving away from the lockstep model and moving to a more discretionary compensation structure. But I doubt that would be applied in a way that would somehow end up paying females less.
I attend a T10 school, but I'd prefer to not disclose where (PM me if you want to discuss more details). Big firm salaries vary by city, but most big firms in a city start at same level. The standard 1st year salary for associates in NY, Chicago, etc. is $160K. Traditionally, big firm salary increased at a set rate each year, but many firms moving to discretionary model. Not sure what type of law I'll practice. Since firm is large, I can try out a few areas before deciding.
thanks! I'm currently in a community college and recently switched to Philosophy major from Chemistry. Since I changed major, I started to look for info for further education and came cross law school. I'm an international student, as it says law school only cares about GPA and LSAT, I'm considering spending another year taking some philosophy class with GPA boosting class, then hopefully transfer to UC Berkeley, do you think going to a "easier" undegrad is better than going to a "tough" one?
@UTexas0901 I used to be shy too and it isn't a problem. Law school helps people break out of their shells since everyone goes through the same thing together. And not all lawyers become court litigators. Sme become corporate lawyers and never go to court. Lots of people start off a bit shy and quiet but it melts away fast
@metaknightkhotmailcm I certainly wouldn't describe the information as purely common sense. In fact, much of what you learn is often counter-intuitive, somewhat confusing, and various doctrines often conflict with one another. If your friend finds it so easy as to just be common sense, then that is great for him, but I think that is the exception rather than the rule. While laws are ideally based on logic and reason, it isn't always crystal clear how to put everything together at first
I cannot say for sure. I believe that law school in US and Canada is very similar, so I would imagine that most of it would apply (use of the curve, fact-pattern style exams, one grade per class, etc.)
...the rank of the school, what kind of work you want to do upon graduation, what kind of options you actually will have upon graduation, etc. If someone is going to a very good school (especially if that school is in the place where the student wants to work), knows for sure that he/she wants to be a lawyer, etc. then it can certainly be worth it. But again, its not for everyone, and far too many students enter law school too hastily and without fully understanding the gamble they are taking
Hi :) I am a Singaporean student graduating from a polytechnic with a diploma in Business and I'm planning to study Law in the UK. I have received some offers but I'm absolutely terrified by the entire idea of studying law. You are very fluent and eloquent in the video; so my question is, do you have to be eloquent before you get in or do you develop your public speaking skills in the midst of your studies? Thanks so much for creating this channel :), it's reassuring to see that I'm not the only one who is stressing out over law school. Hahaha
jess im heading to UK too ;D city london, LLB u? im a singaporean guy i don't think it is essential to be eloquent before attending the school as a matter of fact not all lawyers have to speak before court are you intending to join the singapore bar?
The LSAT is the test you before you can be admitted into law school. The bar exam is something you take once you have already graduated law school. It is a large, multi-day exam for law school graduates, and it is the final hurdle before you are officially sworn in to practice law in a given state
This is sooooo helpful! Im in summer school preparing for my first year, and I feel like I just got hit by a bus :/ This is super helpful though. Thank you!
Hmm, yeah I agree many undergraduate classes are revolved around the regurgitation of information, but I think that's mainly between first, second and maybe third years. Usually those in the third or fourth years have to apply information into certain situations, etc. I'm a undergrad atm, but want to apply for law school in the near future.
+apsaaaan Those kinds of classes will be useful preparation for you. Having the right mindset of what to expect on law school exams is half the battle.
Yeah, I can see that lol. I have a question, I'm about to take a Law and Society minor entering my second year of uni this fall. Does this help anyway, or just show I have an aptitude or interest in the subject? I'm also highly interested in these classes, so beneficial or not, I'll take the minor.
+apsaaaan Only take it if (i) you are interested in the subject, and (ii) it won't hurt your GPA. It will almost certainly have no effect on your law school applications and won't help demonstrate interest (though it likely won't hurt you either). But doing something "law-related" during undergrad isn't going to give you any admissions advantage over someone who was, say, an english or philosophy major.
Going to law school open for Barry university on wed. I know it's a low ranked school but I'm going to check it out. It's in Orlando fl and I plan to practice law in fl. Well I hope to hear from you. Theresa
HAHAHA watched this vid a year ago freaking out about law school, and now it all makes sense. Best advice, manage your time, don't procrastinate, don't burn yourself out, work hard, realize that the law school wants to test you on your work ethic not how smart you are, and last just practice.
There are many degrees in which memorization is the key, but in law school, while memorization is important, application of the law is key and putting forth many arguments, especially on paper.
my other advice would be is that if u go on to study in university, it really doesn't matter what you study as long as you attain high marks and do very well on the MCAT and LSAT.u will be guaranteed an entry to law school. Medicine and law is really hard but when u graduate its a respected and rewarding career. there will be people who will discourage you thats hard, this and that in life nothing is easy u have to strive and struggle to attain that thing.anyways good luck i wish u all the best
because GPA matters a lot and the way of calculation is different, so I might be taking as many classes as possible. I'm interested in liberal arts courses now, so it's not a big deal, just want to get rid of the bad records I had in engineering and science classes. Do you think I should do any volunteer or intern before apply to law school? Volunteer for non-profit charities or small law firms? Or once I enter UC Berkeley I should only focus on school? My shot is Northwestern law
Which state are u in? Did u attend a T14? What are the salaries like at big firms these days? What type of law are u going to practice and why? Thanks for ur input!
I have many friends who got up early to run, and had more than enough time. Your schedule sounds fine, assuming that, when you say heading home at 5, you don't mean to say that you would be done with work for the night. No way would you be able to consistent be done with all your reading, studying, and outlining by 5 PM on a daily basis.
this video really helped me alot dude thnks,but one last question cus i was thinkin of studying in uk cus of this issue,i heard that i cant attend a law school in america unless i have a bachelor degree in any other major,is it true or i can attend a law school as an international student?thanks again
I didn't know mark zukenberg did law? lol
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ANSWER: Law school IS hard.
Stfu
I really enjoy your videos! I am seriously considering going to law school. I am 40 yrs old I have been in the realestate business for past twenty years. I have loss over $300k do to my ignorance of the law. I am considering go back to school to take up Law. By way of listening to your videos , It seems like just going to law school won't be enough. Listing to what you are saying , what I'm understanding is it seem I will actually have to practice law to better understand how to apply the law to any any given factual circumstance. It's crazy how law schools won't teach students how to apply law to factual situations. Anyway I just subscribed to your channel keep the videos coming thanks.
Thats great that you had a base of support to help each other out. I think study groups are really useful. I was never the type to just go it alone, so having friends to study with and have fun with is really invaluable.
Thank God i came across this channel. Ii'm starting in about a month and these are fantastic tips and insights. I really appreciate it man, thanks again
Thanks for the message. I can use all the advice I can get. Appreciate you reaching out and posting these vieos.
At this point, just enjoy being a teenager, have fun, do well in school, etc. Don't worry at all about your career choice as an 8th grader. You will have many many years to think about it. Don't think about law school, dream schools (at that age, you can't possibly know anything about the schools aside from the names), or how to get into them. Again, just do well in high school, but more importantly, have fun and enjoy yourself. No need to worry about this stuff yet.
Thanks, im in 9th grade and my anxiety is through the roof. Well, all we can do is enjoy life.
This was very helpful and interesting. I really appreciate this. Thank you!
Any ideas for new videos? What stuff do you guys want to hear about? Next video is going to be "What major should I pick / what classes should I take in undergrad". But let me know any suggestions you have
I've only just started watching your videos but I was wondering, since you'd possibly be graduate by now, if you would do it again or recommend that people go into law school still. Of course this would factor in the debt, saturation, etc, I'm just wondering your opinion.
Nick Sanborn I personally would do it again, since it made sense given my particular circumstances. Whether it is "worth it" is a very subjective question, so just because I say its worth it for me doesn't necessarily mean I'd say its worth it for you. For the majority of people, I'd probably say law school is not the right path, since too many people go not really knowing what lawyers do, underestimating the debt load and how it can affect your life, just going because they "are good at arguing", etc.
Nick Sanborn But for those who truly understand what lawyers do (via internships, shadowing, networking, etc), who can minimize their debt as much as possible, etc., it can still be a great choice. I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but its all dependent on the circumstances, and its a very subjective decision
I'm not worried about the debt much seeing as I have parents willing to front the cost of attending but I am hearing so much about how saturated the field has become and wondering if that effected your decision
Nick Sanborn It certainly affected it to some extent. In one of my videos, I discuss how each market has a hierarchy. Attending a low-ranked school in a place like DC or Chicago may not be a good idea because there is a saturation of students from a number of higher ranked schools. The saturation/market hierarchy factors largely depend on what market you are shooting for. Even without debt, you still want to maximize job prospects, so its something to consider
Thank you for uploading this video. It helped me a lot!
I typically don't disclose on the public comments what school I go to (I think the most specific I get in the videos was just to note that it is a top 10 school), since this helps preserve a bit of anonymity. If you are interested in learning more about my school in particular, I'd say send me a PM and I can share more details
I don't typically disclose which particular school I go to, as this helps preserve my anonymity. If you have specific questions about particular T10 schools, send me a private message, and I could perhaps discuss my school if you happen to be considering that school in particular
Absolutely, and its something I would really encourage. Go to the prof, ask questions about class, how to synthesize the material, pose hypotheticals to show that you are engaging the material, etc. You will get insight into how the prof. thinks, and will get a bit of affirmation as to how well you understand everything
Thank you for the post! You've given me much to consider...
I typically don't say in my videos specifically which school I go to. I think I mention in one video that its a top 10 school, but thats as much detail as I go into. If you happen to be considering the top 10 schools, and would like some more insight and detail, PM me instead
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Thanks a lot
Great video!! Im just starting to look into law school and this really helped!
You have great and informative info. I'm in my first yr doing the JD and I do find it hard, after doing the Lsat, Your still competing against students during your whole time at law school trying to get the highest grade so you'll eventually be employed at the end of all this. I like how you've framed this, that law school is 'different' and that's quite true. I took 6mths of from law school after finishing first semester because i was so stressed out because it was so hard- but when i look back it was really just different hence during that time I just worked and travel and did pre reading on just coping skills of law school study, especially how to write in a concise manner and the IRAC method. I wanted strategies. I came back more motivated and driven and got better marks even though the environment still had its competitive- perfectionist vibe still around. Sometimes you just need a break. What I've learnt so far is that You need great discipline, time management, drive and commitment to keep pursuing when studying law during your degree. I found that their were making sacrifices to be made such as not working many hours, or going out less, or seeing your friends less etc. I was trying to find your video on the bell curve concept but couldnt find it? Did you end up making one?
Thank you so much.
I'm going to grade 9 this September but at least you gave me some background on this topic.
Cool. Hope these videos give you a better idea of what law school is all about, and the process to get there
Great Videos man, I appreciate it!
@cblast543 As the video mentions, the rigor is difficult to gauge. The material itself is relatively difficult, but nothing too terrible if you put in the time to understand it. These is certainly a great volume of reading, and you have to be ready and willing to read for many hours each night. It is a much greater overall time commitment than anything I experienced during undergraduate study. I would say it is more rigorous than undergraduate, and the curve makes it unpredictable as well
Thank you so much. Yea it is a fantastic idea to make a video about it. Thank you again.
I'm pretty sure I discuss that in a few of my other videos such as "picking a law school" and "school rankings". General idea is that there are no hard and fast rules on what is worth it. Depends on the school ranking, where you want to end up working, how much scholarship you get, if your parents are helping you out, how much work experience you have, etc. In general, I'm risk averse so I'm not comfortable with huge debt, but in certain circumstances, it may be more justified
"You don't want to be feeling things out" is definitely the best advise to give a law student. 1L was super tough for me, and it was precisely because I didn't seek out advice from anyone to let me know how I was doing, and went into exams thinking I'd do fine just knowing the law.
Glad its helpful. And sorry I haven't posted a video in awhile. Summer has been crazy with my job stuff, but I will def get back in the groove soon!
When you first read the case, make sure you first understand what the holding is (i.e. the actual law that comes from the case). Also, it is important to understand the reasoning the court uses, since it clarifies how they reached the conclusion, and provides insight into how the court would approach future problems. It is important to understand the facts, but do not get too bogged down in minute details unless necessary. I will soon get back to videos, and make one about briefing cases.
This is so helpful. I know this video is years old. But i am going to law school next year. I am studying for the LSAT right now.
Sarah Roberson goodluckkk!
@MrMraggies1996 That depends on what school you are trying to get into, what your college grades were, and what LSAT score you had. Whether it is hard is entirely relative to the situation. There are many schools that will almost always be hard to get into, but there are also many schools that are not selective at all (though many of those schools do not offer good job prospects)
Hey Great video. I'm not interested in law school but browsed here somewhat randomly and gave it a look. My neighbor is currently in law school now though and is constantly stressed. She's a former classical musician and possibly having a problem with the switch... Peace.
i'm just starting university with law school in mind, and i'm already terrified. thanks for the vids, they're definitely helpful !
I was a business major, but you could literally be any kind of major. I have classmates who did performing arts, english, engineering, etc. Of course, being comfortable with writing, critical reading, etc. is helpful since you do so much of that. But by no means does that limit you as to what major you can/should choose. Honestly, choose something you truly enjoy and will do well in. if law school is your goal, you just need a high GPA, regardless of what classes you take.
Lest we forget that the JD is literally just the LLB rebranded (I would argue as a gatekeeping move but no need to litigate that). Hence, they’re much….weirder about admissions than other graduate schools, since in effect you only need an undergrad degree because the ABA arbitrarily decided you do.
Plus, it all depends on how you are defining "success" here. If we are just talking about the big prestigious firms, then yes, those jobs only go to those who are close to top of the class, or who go to the top schools. But those are far from the only job choices. Sure, smaller firms pay far less, but if a student went to a regional school in his home market, with very little debt, theres no reason why a small firm doesn't make sense to start
And as for employment prospects, like I've said, it all depends on the factors I listed earlier. School rank, regional ties, debt considerations, etc. all factor in. If you go to a top school, getting a job isn't hard. If you go to a non-top tier school, make sure it is in the area where you want to practice, and make sure not to take on much debt. The worst thing you can do is get too far away from your desired geographic area simply because of school ranking (unless its for a top school)
NYJ Nice man! Also like the vid.
great stuff here! Started to be obsessed about law school after reading a book and, well, I'm wondering if I'll really like it D: thanks a lot but thing is that I'm from Romania and things are pretty different here :\ but it's still helpful! :)
Most schools have exams on file, and most profs instruct on how to access them. Profs usually explain what they want on the exam, but the best to get that info is to speak with the profs during the semester. As for the best ways to prep, I'd recommend watching my exam video. Make an outline you can commit mostly to memory, do lots of practice exams, identity the "forks in the road", and learn to pick out the important info in a set of facts. The book "Getting to Maybe" provides an overview
Good video! As a law school youtube creator and blogger, I must say that I agree, law school is hard for some and easier for others. Overall though, I would say that, in sum, it is a challenge.
"Like a lot of things in Law School, you'll find out there is no clear Yes or No answer, one way or the other, we always look at all the things that make it ambiguous and difficult" Bless you for this perfect description GOOOOSH !! Your video is 100% true. Wow ! Nice to know it's not just that way in France ! ;)
I should clarify that I am not a "rah rah" person when it comes to recommending law school (though at the same time, I'm not the type who cautious everyone away from it). For many, I think they get into it without fully understanding what it is, what it means to be a lawyer, what the job prospects are, etc. and for those people, I'm quick to caution them. But for those with the right mindset, who approach it the right way, there are certainly possibilities and opportunities
Yeah, everything you wrote is so true! Thank you again :)
It would be awesome if I had you as a buddy. Enjoyed your video & very well spoken
@000wowtube000 I am glad you found the video helpful. Definitely subscribe to my channel, and I will post many more. I do not know too much about LLB programs since they do not offer this type of degree in the US, so I could not tell you if the programs are similar. In the US, we have what are called LLM programs for foreign students who are lawyers in foreign countries but wish to practice in the US. In my school, there are many foreign students in the LLM program
@cblast543 The first year at any law school is pretty much the same. There are 6 core classes that almost every school has in the first year. These include constitutional law, criminal law, civil procedure, contracts, torts, and property. In addition, every school has some sort of writing program during the first year that introduces you to the basics of legal citation, composing memos, legal briefs, etc. Some schools may also have an elective during the first year.
could you do a video on the differences between study styles of high school, undergrad, and law school please?
great video good advice
Honestly, it depends. Depends on how much reading you have, whether you are outlining, how fast you digest material, how efficient you are, etc. I would typically dedicate about 5 hours to reading and studying. So, if my classes ended at 3, I would work for about 3 hours, eat dinner and take a break, then do another 2 hours or so around 7 or 8, and try and wrap things up around 10 so that I can relax before bed. But thats just me, and everyone works differently
Damn you motivate me I have 2 degrees as well and I was considering law school I have a bachelors and a masters degree as well and I'm trying to figure out if law school is right for me I'm 27
It really wasnt anything school-related that led me to law school. I was in the hospitality business after undergrad and I loved working with people face to face, solving their problems, helping any way I could, etc. But at the same time, I love critical thinking, logic, writing, etc. I figured that law was sort of the cross-section. It is a client-driven business (and yes, it is a business at the end of the day) that would allow me to deal with complex problems that require critical analysis
First of all thank you a lot I found it helpful to have an idea before making the big decision. 2nd you really do look like Eminem :) 3rd I have a question, Where I am staying now they don't have JD degree, so I am thinking to take LLB and then if I was lucky enough to come to the United States and do my JD. My LLB is 3 years awarded by University of London International Programs. Do you think I can do my JD after my LLB? Is LLB similar to JD?
Awesome video man
Thanks
I am 49 and I begin law school in 13 days. I have degrees in Economics (Bachelors and Masters), English Literature and Physics, Bachelors. Learning is non-stop. I am pretty excited about the next 3 years. Nice video.
Well, lots of people try for public interest positions, or work for smaller plaintiff side employment law firms. Some people go into criminal prosecution, or other areas that most certainly aren't "just helping businesses". As for the chances, these positions tend to be a bit more competitive, but if you are truly passionate about one of these areas and make it clear that it is your focus, you can help maximize your chances of ending up in that field
I typically use the general rules that, you should never go full debt for a school unless its a top tier school that will give you a big enough safety net to justify it. So if you are not considering the top tier schools, I generally recommend taking a more regional approach. This means picking a school close to where you want to actually end up practicing, and where debt isn't too terrible
Hi, I am international student at the law school and it is my first semester. Thank you for making videos and explaining the issues and obstacles that might face law school students. I have one question, What are some steps that you might take when you first see a case? Thank you again.
I just recently graduated, and will be taking the bar in July
@metaknightkhotmailcm How hard it is to get into a school depends on what school you are trying to get into. There are various levels of schools ranging from very hard and selective all the way down to schools that will take almost anyone who applies. Almost every school will require the same information: LSAT score, GPA, personal statement, resume, recommendations, etc. But what LSAT score and GPA they are looking for depends on the school. Do you have a particular school in mind?
Alta, I am into my 5th week. Law school is certainly interesting. And be prepared to throw all "common sense" out the window. You have to really think. The reading seems and is endless. Grasping the important points, maintaining originality and learning to "infer" takes time. Week 1, my brain was swimming. Week 4 my brain was swimming. This weekend I began to organize everything. I recommend it for anyone. The education is really interesting.
Good luck with your visit
Any major is acceptable. As I mentioned in some other comments, I have classmates who did history, english, engineering, music, and countless other things. It can help if your undergraduate coursework involves critical reading and writing. But otherwise, choose whatever you enjoy, and will do well in
The best way to know is to speak with lawyers, ask about what they do, perhaps try and get a job working in a law office, whether as a paralegal, or in some other capacity. You will never know unless you either immerse yourself in the environment, or speak with people who have
Thanks for posting this, currently a Music Business major, and saw media/entertainment law as an option. I took a media law class and did very well in it. I wouldn't be opposed to doing law other than entertainment, but obviously something in the arts is my most favorable interest. Is that necessarily a long shot? Did you end up going into the type of law you originally set out for?
Matt Basilotto It took some work, but I ultimately ended up in the substantive area that I wanted to end up in. Things like entertainment or sports law are narrow subsets of more general areas, so even if you don't go immediately into it, you can still build up the skills that may allow you to transition eventually. Entertainment law is also more prevalent in certain areas such as CA, so thats something to keep in mind. While it is great to have a top interest in mind, always be open to trying new areas since its very hard to know what area is for you before you even begin practice
I see it as being challenging as far as the exams and the grades go, but honestly i look forward to law school.
Working hard is merely a prerequisite to doing well, but is no guarantee of anything. You have to work hard to process all the material, do all the reading, organize all your notes, engage the material, etc. But you have to work smart to figure out how all that stuff can be used on an exam, and how to best prepare for your professor's exam
Congratulations!!
Good luck and what state are you in?
The cutoff for what is unsatisfactory academic performance/failing is different at every school. For a school who only goes as low as a C- grade, then that would be considered their failing grade. Keep in mind that every school grades differently (though all use the curve). Some schools use tighter curves, some more widely distributed. Some go from A to F, some go A to C. It all depends on the school. Every school has a different median GPA and curve.
Good job!
Though many firms are moving away from the lockstep model and moving to a more discretionary compensation structure. But I doubt that would be applied in a way that would somehow end up paying females less.
thank you. this helped me
I attend a T10 school, but I'd prefer to not disclose where (PM me if you want to discuss more details). Big firm salaries vary by city, but most big firms in a city start at same level. The standard 1st year salary for associates in NY, Chicago, etc. is $160K. Traditionally, big firm salary increased at a set rate each year, but many firms moving to discretionary model. Not sure what type of law I'll practice. Since firm is large, I can try out a few areas before deciding.
thanks!
I'm currently in a community college and recently switched to Philosophy major from Chemistry. Since I changed major, I started to look for info for further education and came cross law school. I'm an international student, as it says law school only cares about GPA and LSAT, I'm considering spending another year taking some philosophy class with GPA boosting class, then hopefully transfer to UC Berkeley, do you think going to a "easier" undegrad is better than going to a "tough" one?
@UTexas0901 I used to be shy too and it isn't a problem. Law school helps people break out of their shells since everyone goes through the same thing together. And not all lawyers become court litigators. Sme become corporate lawyers and never go to court. Lots of people start off a bit shy and quiet but it melts away fast
@metaknightkhotmailcm I certainly wouldn't describe the information as purely common sense. In fact, much of what you learn is often counter-intuitive, somewhat confusing, and various doctrines often conflict with one another. If your friend finds it so easy as to just be common sense, then that is great for him, but I think that is the exception rather than the rule. While laws are ideally based on logic and reason, it isn't always crystal clear how to put everything together at first
I have not yet taken the bar. I will be taking it this July
Can you make a video on students who are the edge about deciding to go to law school or not, and the fear of it not working out
I cannot say for sure. I believe that law school in US and Canada is very similar, so I would imagine that most of it would apply (use of the curve, fact-pattern style exams, one grade per class, etc.)
Please do a full video on the forced curve. :)
Nice video!
Steel is hard! Life and apparently law school is difficult. Nevertheless, outstanding post. You remind me of me.
...the rank of the school, what kind of work you want to do upon graduation, what kind of options you actually will have upon graduation, etc. If someone is going to a very good school (especially if that school is in the place where the student wants to work), knows for sure that he/she wants to be a lawyer, etc. then it can certainly be worth it. But again, its not for everyone, and far too many students enter law school too hastily and without fully understanding the gamble they are taking
Hi :) I am a Singaporean student graduating from a polytechnic with a diploma in Business and I'm planning to study Law in the UK. I have received some offers but I'm absolutely terrified by the entire idea of studying law.
You are very fluent and eloquent in the video; so my question is, do you have to be eloquent before you get in or do you develop your public speaking skills in the midst of your studies?
Thanks so much for creating this channel :), it's reassuring to see that I'm not the only one who is stressing out over law school. Hahaha
jess im heading to UK too ;D
city london, LLB
u?
im a singaporean guy
i don't think it is essential to be eloquent before attending the school
as a matter of fact not all lawyers have to speak before court
are you intending to join the singapore bar?
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Hi Ted :) I'm heading to Birmingham, doing LLB as well. -high 5- hahaha Yup, I'm planning to join the Bar after graduation. You?
The LSAT is the test you before you can be admitted into law school. The bar exam is something you take once you have already graduated law school. It is a large, multi-day exam for law school graduates, and it is the final hurdle before you are officially sworn in to practice law in a given state
This is sooooo helpful! Im in summer school preparing for my first year, and I feel like I just got hit by a bus :/ This is super helpful though. Thank you!
thanks..
Whew! At first I thought you were wearing Green Bay gear! :)
Hmm, yeah I agree many undergraduate classes are revolved around the regurgitation of information, but I think that's mainly between first, second and maybe third years. Usually those in the third or fourth years have to apply information into certain situations, etc. I'm a undergrad atm, but want to apply for law school in the near future.
+apsaaaan Those kinds of classes will be useful preparation for you. Having the right mindset of what to expect on law school exams is half the battle.
Yeah, I can see that lol. I have a question, I'm about to take a Law and Society minor entering my second year of uni this fall. Does this help anyway, or just show I have an aptitude or interest in the subject? I'm also highly interested in these classes, so beneficial or not, I'll take the minor.
+apsaaaan Only take it if (i) you are interested in the subject, and (ii) it won't hurt your GPA. It will almost certainly have no effect on your law school applications and won't help demonstrate interest (though it likely won't hurt you either). But doing something "law-related" during undergrad isn't going to give you any admissions advantage over someone who was, say, an english or philosophy major.
Yeah, I thought that would most likely be the case, thanks!
Honestly, I'm not really a football fan. I just had the jersey lying around. Hockey is my game (and I'm dying without it right now)
lawschooladviceguy-did you graduate? or what year are you in?
If you did graduate? Did you pass your state's bar examination?
Good video
Going to law school open for Barry university on wed. I know it's a low ranked school but I'm going to check it out. It's in Orlando fl and I plan to practice law in fl. Well I hope to hear from you. Theresa
HAHAHA watched this vid a year ago freaking out about law school, and now it all makes sense. Best advice, manage your time, don't procrastinate, don't burn yourself out, work hard, realize that the law school wants to test you on your work ethic not how smart you are, and last just practice.
However, i loved your video...I'm contemplating Law School also. THX.
How many hours would u spend on your studies on a daily basis...
And great video (:
lol you're too kind. Glad you liked the video
Law school is hard so thank you for just sharing your views and advice.
In many ways, it is hard, I agree. Happy to help.
There are many degrees in which memorization is the key, but in law school, while memorization is important, application of the law is key and putting forth many arguments, especially on paper.
my other advice would be is that if u go on to study in university, it really doesn't matter what you study as long as you attain high marks and do very well on the MCAT and LSAT.u will be guaranteed an entry to law school. Medicine and law is really hard but when u graduate its a respected and rewarding career. there will be people who will discourage you thats hard, this and that in life nothing is easy u have to strive and struggle to attain that thing.anyways good luck i wish u all the best
because GPA matters a lot and the way of calculation is different, so I might be taking as many classes as possible. I'm interested in liberal arts courses now, so it's not a big deal, just want to get rid of the bad records I had in engineering and science classes. Do you think I should do any volunteer or intern before apply to law school? Volunteer for non-profit charities or small law firms? Or once I enter UC Berkeley I should only focus on school? My shot is Northwestern law
Which state are u in? Did u attend a T14? What are the salaries like at big firms these days? What type of law are u going to practice and why? Thanks for ur input!
I have many friends who got up early to run, and had more than enough time. Your schedule sounds fine, assuming that, when you say heading home at 5, you don't mean to say that you would be done with work for the night. No way would you be able to consistent be done with all your reading, studying, and outlining by 5 PM on a daily basis.
this video really helped me alot dude thnks,but one last question cus i was thinkin of studying in uk cus of this issue,i heard that i cant attend a law school in america unless i have a bachelor degree in any other major,is it true or i can attend a law school as an international student?thanks again