Joseph Smith’s First Vision | Now You Know
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- The First Vision was Joseph Smith’s miraculous experience with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, as They appeared to him in a grove of trees near his upstate New York home in the spring of 1820.
The First Vision was the beginning of the modern-day Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ on the earth. A spiritual resurgence was in full force in the early 19th century in western New York, and a young boy, Joseph Smith, was interested in religion but unsure of which church to join. After reading in the Bible, Joseph decided to pray and ask God which church was true.
In response to Joseph’s prayer, both God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, appeared to Joseph in the grove of trees near his home where he was praying. In Joseph’s own words, “I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other-This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!”
During the visit, Joseph was told not to join any of the churches and that Christ’s ancient Church would soon be restored. Joseph Smith was a key part of that Restoration process. He became the first President and prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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While I may not be mormon, it is interesting to learn about other beliefs
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Why aren't you a Mormon?
@@kaylahall1219 some are still searching that’s all it is and that’s completely fine
Same I love learning about different versions of Christianity. It's all very fascinating from an intellectual standpoint. I feel we all have right to believe what we want. God is many different things to different people.
Not even close to evidence and, “And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.” Rev 22:18
I know that this took place and I am so grateful for the restored gospel of Jesus Christ! What an amazing blessing to have the Lord's church restored on the Earth today, with you and me on it! Heavenly Father loves YOU with an absolutely perfect love that you probably won't come to understand in this life. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will help you come to know God and feel his love for you. It is an incredible gift that He wants to give everyone! I KNOW that this church is true!
Thank you for sharing your testimony!
It is so great to hear about your love for Jesus Christ, and desire to know His truth. Would you be willing to learn more about His truth, and why it is not in fact preached in the LDS Church? Rather, the fullness of His truth is preached in the Catholic Church. Our Lord wants you to know this and to be embraced by His mystical body and receive the fullness of His divine love in the Catholic communion. Please message me if you would like to learn more and see how this is possible for you. God bless!
@@alistairkentucky-david9344 When this person says that he knows that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true, do you wonder why he says that?
I believe Joseph was visited there, as he reported, by God the Father and Jesus Christ. It's one of the greatest evens since the resurrection and ascension of Christ in ancient times.
I love the gospel of Christ, and I love that it had been restored!
@@Jancel3333 You may be wondering what that means, given that the resurrected Lord was seen multiple times by people as recounted in the final chapters of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and at the beginning of Acts. He even ate with them, and they touched His hands and feet. If you'd like to learn more so that you can better understand, consider visiting ComeUntoChrist.org.
@@Jancel3333 Mary saw Jesus after He rose from the tomb. ( and that is when Jesus told her to go tell the apostles as the other commenter stated) I believe that is pretty powerful because He had a love of her like no other, and she was mourning Him as a loss of someone she loved. They can visit and talk with whom They desire for their duty is to bring all men to know them. Just as they move mountains if needed, they can prepare a person to see their Glory.
Yes, Joseph Smith Jr. did see God & Jesus Christ. He (God) loves all of us. In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
@@tkc3742 Who witnessed Moses's encounter with God in the burning bush? Who witnessed Zachariah's encounter with the angel Gabriel? Prophets often have personal encounters with God that no one else sees. Joseph Smith also had many other encounters with Jesus Christ and with angels and other people shared the visions with him at times.
Or was it a burning pillar of fire? Or an angel choir? Who knows 🤷🏻♂️ J. S. apparently had a hard time recounting which way it went 🤔
@@karkkimarkkinat2109 No, he just mentioned different parts at different times. Is it surprising to you that anyone would also see angels when seeing God? If so, you haven't been reading the Bible much.
@Revelation Another insubstantial insult? Please take it elsewhere. This forum is intended for building faith, not attacking others.
I don't go on to other fellow Christians, Muslims, Jews sites just to spread words of enmity. That was against what Jesus Christ taught. He taught to love our enemies, and he also taught that a house divided against itself cannot stand. It's simply impossible that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could be of the devil, because of all the inspiring doctrine and principles, that have helped countless people to love Jesus Christ more, and to love and serve their neighbor as themselves. I forgive you for your words, and hope for God's choicest blessings to be with you.
This is very useful. I just learning about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints and I count on video's like this to help. Thank you for sharing!
jeffrey thomas,
be cautious which sources you learn from, when I were learning about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I came across false rumours, twisted quotes from church leaders, exmembers and critics are doing their best to discourage and make people doubt.
The majority of anti-church material is twisted, exaggerated and partial truths.
Be careful.
Jeffrey- I learn the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored to the earth over 45 years ago and joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It was a pivotal time in my life and brought a lot of opposition into my life from family and friends. But that choice has brought the greatest peace also. I want you to know that I know it is the best decision I have ever made. I hope you will feel the love that Jesus Christ has for you. He gave his all for you so that you could also receive all that the Father has for each of us. He already won all the battles we will ever fight, suffered for all the sorrows we may ever feel, and provided a pathway for more joy that we can ever realize in this world. May God bless you on your journey to find out for yourself as each of us must do!
@teremom6, thanks for sharing your experience and testimony. We appreciate your comment and we're glad you're here!
@Jeffrey Thomas, thanks for watching! We're glad this video helped you learn more about the Church. To learn more about the Church, or to chat with representatives or request a meeting with missionaries, visit comeuntochrist.org. Take care!
@@danielmoore4024 thanks for the advice. Most of the people in my life have odd ideas about the lds (I know lds isn't the name of the church. It's just quicker) church. I was guilty of it myself, to a lesser degree. I take time to learn about all Faith's and the lds has always been on my list. I'm very careful about looking things up online because it's so often wrong. I meet with missionaries once a week and have one via text that I can ask question.
Thanks so much for this video!
It's really weird though... as a criminologist we learn that it's the total opporsite: an account or testimony with little to no variation would be the one that you can't trust simply because it's difficult to sound convincing. Because of that, you "prepare" your lie mentally so you don't sound suspicious. A person will naturally focus on certain aspects of a testimony depending who they are talking to. Some things in the testimony are left out and some are included, but we also almost always remember something wrong.
It reminds me that often when I share my testimony with others, my wife will say: "you haven't said that before". It's not because I lie, but some things in my life for example I only want to talk about to one person, not face to face, and some times certain parts are not relevant for the message.
Durante Angelo I think there’s enough variation between accounts to satisfy you. Some things remain consistent, but other things vary, depending on the audience and context. Different details come out in each of different accounts.
Hardly rehearsed. Read them and see for yourself.
@@mattctr I think that's what Durante was saying: that the different accounts were not rehearsed. "an account or testimony with little to no variation would be the one that you can't trust"
That's right, it's like how when I tell people my wedding story it's not the same each time. Sometimes my wife and I are getting married in the story and sometimes it's just me at the wedding by myself and it's not actually even a wedding, but sometimes it is a wedding again and I'm with my wife and two other wives. These are the kind of small details that lend credibility to my wedding story.
I just moved states. When asked why it depends on who I’m talking to how much or what type of information I provide.
Some people I don’t account for all the information as I don’t know them well or do I care to divulge the full information. But others I trust and know they would understand. Each account is true but I tell it according to time, and audience.
That may work in a vocal conversation or interrogation, when your words, once they came out on the fly, cannot be changed anymore.
But all of these accounts were *written*. Don't you worry, if I am careful about recording the most sacred experience of my life on paper, by me or my scribes, I will triple check it so that it really matches my experience.
It will come down to faith, but your argument (and the ones who commented below you) cannot really apply here because you are speaking on the fly when giving a testimony or sharing a memory of your first date or whatever.
The Prophet Joseph Smith is a hero to me and I will always be thankful he sacrificed all to bring about the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I believe it.
Ask God for yourself
I don't
Asked and answered. He said it's a lie.
When God witnesses to us that the Book of Mormon is His true scripture, it's of such great worth to us. Joseph Smith performed a great work for God.
Book of mormon is a lie. Joseph Smith was a false prophet creating a false religion like nearly 2000 yrs later after Christ, who came to call his people to repentance & delivering the gospel. We must be born again. His 2nd coming is near so be ready & repent for the kingdom of God is at hand!
@@bacc9722 Have you ever read the Book of Mormon? I have, and I can tell you that prophets in the Book of Mormon also called people to faith in Christ and repentance, also, spoke of the importance of being born again, and warned that we should be ready before His coming. You will be surprised at the great truths presented in the Book of Mormon when you eventually do read it. As you do, you can pray to God and ask Him yourself if it is true. He will witness to you through the Holy Ghost that it is, and then you will also know that Joseph Smith was called by God and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is indeed the restored Church of Jesus Christ in our day. Feel free to learn more about the Church at ComeUntoChrist.org or ChurchOfJesusChrist.org.
The Book of Mormon is my favourite book
Yes it's such an amazingly written book. Except it's not. It's boring and difficult to understand. The only things you can learn from it are to follow the church more, or very simple moral lessons that are present everywhere in the world. Im honestly curious to why it is your favourite book, I always thought it was a massive bore to read as a member, but I remember feeling accomplished afterwards because people have always told me to read the book and that it is good.
@God is good... It's a beautiful written book that resembles the Old Testament in the Bible. That doesn't make it true. The Koran is a beautifully written book. The Bhagavadia of the Hindu is beautifully written.
kkheflin3 That is why we are invited to study and pray and ask God if it is true. Just like Peter received a testimony the Jesus is the Christ from our Father in heaven, we can pray and receive a confirmation from God on the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon
Tyler Elliott For me, the beauty of the book comes from the feeling of the spirit I receive as I truly study it and learning its teachings of Christ and the Gospel that are not found anywhere else such as descriptions and teachings of the Spirit world knowing that Christ not only suffered for our sins but for our trials and weaknesses and sadness as well
Me too
I grew up watching the animated stories of the old testament, new testament, the book of mormon and Joesph Smith's first vision. The video of the first vision included satan trying to bind him and Joesph couldn't even speak and thought he was going to be destroyed.
That part of his vision I can relate to because in my teenage years that happened to me. A shadow appeared as I slept and I was frozen. I couldn't move, couldn't think, and couldn't speak. I visualized Jesus in my mind and focused on Him and with all my strength I prayed in Jesus' name and immediately the hold on me was gone. At the time I thought I was going to die because the shadow was telling me to go with it and I felt extreme terror.
I'd be interested in seeing thoe animated stories. Do you know where I can find them?
Yes im mormon that my beloved church I can read books of mormon
When you have an experience there is a richness to it, that allows you to reflect on different aspects over time. There will be a core set of concepts, but the wording will be different on each retelling.
When you fabricate a story, or hear of an experience second hand there is no richness, and that tends to manifest as a repetition of the same words and phrases, because you end up recalling the initial rehearsal of the story.
s vanner or, when he first told the story it wasn't a core tenet of Mormonism. As Mormonism grew so did the story.
I agree. How many times have you told a story of what happened to you to different people or maybe wrote it down and had it come out exactly the same EVERY time?
@@gamecrazygrl Good point, but many of the First Vision accounts don't agree on the vision AT ALL. One says that a Host of Angels appeared. Then A pillar of Fire. Then Jesus. Then Jesus and the Father. How different do they have to be before you think they're a sham?
@@Nepthu I must say that for me, these parts are easy to reconcile. Again, it's a matter of what details are included, and by "details" I don't imply triviality but rather simply different elements of a narration. As for angels, it's very common in scriptural accounts for anyone who sees God to witness a host of angels also.
@@Nepthu You need to look at those "facts" again before getting into the weeds. It's ultimately a matter of faith, just as believing the same thing happened to the apostle Paul in the Bible. I have felt the Holy Spirit testify that this is true just as Paul's similar experience is true. If you pray sincerely about it, you will know too.
"Latter-day saints understand.." "members of the church believe" sure sounds more humble than "we know". Funny it says members appreciate the different versions of the vision. I don't mind them, but I also never heared about it in church these past 34yrs of membership.
Our Hope is in Jesus, not religion just 1 Year member and hear about it so often
If you have the Gospel Library app, you can go to Church history, and there is a section for Joseph Smith’s accounts of the first vision. It has the multiple sources.
That depends on how much personal study of the gospel that you do. The purpose of the church is to teach that which is necessary for the salvation of Gods children. This isn’t new information for me, this has been available for a while now and even longer then I’ve been alive.
Thank you Joseph for your faith and trust in God.
It happened. It’s real. It is of God. It brings meaning and hope and joy to my life.
It's interesting because even Joseph Smith does not ask anyone to believe what he experienced. No one should. Study it out and then do as directed by the bible verse. Ask God if he did in reality have that experience.
More specifically, he didn't expect anyone to believe it based on his words alone. As you said, we can know through answers to prayer.
Just as God did thousands of years ago, Joseph Smith was called to be a prophet. I know that he was an instrument to bring forth a Restoration of God's truths. I was once skeptical of Joseph, but I know that he was a prophet, and the Book of Mormon has only strengthened my testimony of that. It's easy to be skeptical of this, but I know God can help us know what is true!
Thanks for sharing your testimony of the witness we can receive from God of the truth, Nathan. Merry Christmas!
@@churchofjesuschrist Of course! Merry Christmas as well!
i'm grateful to have someone that God can trust to restore HIS Church again here on earth.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true
I BELIEVE IN GOD AND WHAT JOSEPH SMITH DID ALWAYS👆🏾❤️💡!
It's true, reading and comparing the various accounts of the first vision can be very enlightening and faith building.
Garthantula the different first visionaccounts destroyed my faith
@@jaredfishburn2565 I agree. The different First Vision accounts tore a hole in my understanding of Mormonism. Learning about the fabricated Book of Abraham translation from the Pearl of Great Price ripped it to shreds.
@@Nepthu Of course the Book of Abraham wasn't a fabrication. Joseph Smith had more than one set of papyri.
@@jaredfishburn2565 If your faith is founded on a personal relationship with God and a direct and undeniable witness from Him, nothing can destroy it, and instead of having shaken faith you will find opportunities to learn. I hope that you experience that someday soon.
What I got from this message is that the mormon chuch believes it’s ok for someone to tell different versions of what actually happened (what my mormon parents taught me a “lie” was), depending on who the audience is.
The four Gospels, similar but different.
They aren't conflicting versions. They each tell the same story and add different details. I have felt the Holy Spirit tell me this really happened.
Different details and emphasis do not make a lie. Everyone tells a story slightly differently at times unless they've specifically and deliberately memorized a predetermined version word-for-word. Joseph Smith gave natural accounts.
Some accounts Joseph had write to diferent people and others accts as a testimony. Is like telling the story 20 years but the bases of them keep the same. Regards
lol
God love us
I like all story ,and the truthfulness of the gospel in this latter days,the very correct teaching of the gospel of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
God loves the mode of action of the child and innocence towards speaking with faith I believe that if we ask same as the prophet did we to can receive revelations from God but this all should happen in the name of christ. Christ is the way to god not only for the righteous also for the wicked and sinners I love my savier and Christ's church for the wonderful opportunity to devote, learn, change etc.. Love you all.
thank you is really wonderful.. I am member of the church here in chile , Rancagua city, Tupahue stake. villa teniente branch. Is very important for me , because I ´m learning english with english connect 2, and is a blessing for my life, I have a strong testimony on the Church and his prophets..
Thanks for sharing your testimony, Luis! We're glad you're here.
@@churchofjesuschrist I had been in Salta lake city in october 2014 , I went to general conference of the church. I hope to go again To USA in february to phoenix Arizona
@@luisbustos1818 Your English is very good!
When we go to sales training classes they teach us to focus on the customer and their individual needs. We are taught how to focus our sales presentation to best fit what the customer needs to hear at the time to help them make the purchase decision. We are taught to tell the story that that customer needs at that time in order to close the sale. These different descriptions of the first vision were simply to different audiences, and those audiences needed those particular details more than the other details. The important details are there in most of the descriptions and the differences in those details are mostly minor, although some are fairly critical differences, the message is still the same. Reading the different versions and comparing the details of them should be avoided.
@@spencerj4467
It is possible that Joesph Smith wasn't given permission by the holy spirit at that time to testify that God the Father appeared also.
@@spencerj4467 Usually when I hear the term "mental gymnastics", it's coming from someone who is mentally sitting on the couch. Again, prayer to God doesn't require incredible amounts of mental effort, and that's the most important part of our search for God's truth.
God is God not just by saying but mean all i leave in Jesus name amen 😔😔
I believe in the First Vision
@ Melanie Jones.. Why? And which one of the published versions?
@@kkheflin3 Well, all of them. They tell the same story from slightly different angles.
200 years history was made
I love the video
Doubting member here. Instead of telling us how we feel about this issue at 04:11 why not link to the various accounts here directly or explain the differences between them? Having read all four accounts, the differences are not small and this is a major stumbling block for our members that are confronted by this information that never gets covered in Sunday School.
In all matters of faith, doubt is a normal occurrence, but the most important thing to do is turn to God Himself. We often don't have all the answers to all of our questions. Sometimes the answers are known by others, but we just don't happen to have access to them. If God witnesses of truth to us and reassures us with His Comforter, then we can find it easy to wait for answers we don't have right away. So many times I've seen people get hung up on things that appear to be problematic but end up having explanations that completely make sense. It's not worth it to reject the great things God has given us, particularly when doubt gives us nothing in return.
@Stranded InProvo, thanks for your comment. This video introduces viewers to the multiple accounts of the First Vision, and we invite anyone interested to study the various accounts and learn more at the link below. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
I am sorry youre doubting things. My parents got divorced about 13 years ago. It was terrible. When I tell people about it if it gets brought up I will give different details to them. But it has has to do with something that happened. The divorce. Because I give people different tidbits of info that doesnt mean the divorce didnt happen.
I say this with all the respect I have that there are actually almost 20 different versions of the experience and that in the Joseph Smith papers, which are on the church website, that we can read from Joseph's journal and see that he was questioning if God even exists. This was after the death of his brother Alvin. The church says that the event happened well before alvins death. How could you be questioning God's existence after just seeing God the father and God the son? Something to think about. Again no disrespect I love church members and the church but honest question deserve honest pondering, not to listen to a talk by a church leader telling you to not worry about it and forget about it. Respect and love. God bless
In court cases individuals testify of an event and give different details often. Depending on the question they are asked or are answering they will focus on certain details while not mentioning any details they previously mentioned or add more detail not mentioned before in relation to answer a specific question that is pertinent to the question.
If any of you doubt or have questions, do what Brother Joseph did! Ask God himself with real intent, and you will know! That's what I did!
They thought they knew too! The prophets who taught us for over a hundred years that black people were less valiant in the pre-existence. Now they say... All those prophets were wrong. They all thought they knew by this same method of seeking truth that you are using. So many things they say 'the prophets are people too!' every time there's a wrong teaching that they must sweep under the rug because it's too embarrassing to teach now. Those were prophets and they were wrong. If the method doesn't work for a prophet, it's not a reliable method for truth seeking. Jesus said 'I am the way, the truth....' Not some church! Him! God gave us logic to use it. When people can get us to detach from our logical mind, and obey them as a mediator to God, they can control everything about your life! Jesus said there is 'One God and one mediator... Jesus himself.' They have taken away your mental reasoning capacity by convincing you that they know the only test for truth, and the only truth. Look at all the people Bewitched by this method used by people to get control over them! Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, FLDS, etc etc etc all believe they have found the only truth, all they have found is oppression! They've lost their freedom to go directly to God, everything is filtered through the guy who convinced you he was speaking for God. That's awfully close to how cults work. Isn't it? Why would God give such a flimsy test for truth when all those poor people used the same way of disconnecting from reasoning, and believing truth only comes through another person! What a dangerous path! Charlatans everywhere are looking for people to control, who will believe, not by searching the evidence about what they say, not by searching the evidence, but by a feeling. What if the FDA used this method, rather than solid research and evidences, to determine what is good for you to put in your body? Could they be wrong? Led astray? Why have so many LDS prophets been proven wrong about so many things, by this method? Shifting sands, the doctrines constantly changing, listen to Hinckley on Larry King, teach that caffeine is against the Word of Wisdom. That's just one small thing that they've changed that used to be 'truth.' They change doctrines and then say it was only policy. They change what was taught was unchangeable by Joseph Smith, for example, the temple endowments. Stuff got too creepy for the modern times, so they changed the unchangeable doctrines! Joseph either saw God, or he didn't. 3 of his own accounts say he didn't. If you research the history, read the church's own essays they were forced to reveal to prevent lawsuits for fraud, but they hid them deep in their website, hard to find. Joseph's many accounts of his first vision are finally revealed by the church, when they have denied it, excommunicated people for exposing it, for decades.
Thanks, Kelly! An answer from God is the most reliable source of truth we have. I'm grateful for what God has revealed in our day.
@@Thundersnowy Interesting example use with the FDA. Do you realize the FDA allows many substances to be put into our Food and Drugs because of lobbying? "...solid research and evidences," Some of their evidence is research done by the pharmaceuticals themselves or paid for by the same. Let's not start on the meat industry pushing their agenda very successfully into America. Lack of hand-washing by doctors delivering babies was causing maternal deaths due to infection. But many scoffed at the idea that washing hands would prevent the transmission of harmful bacteria to these women. Time has proven the truth. Bacteria unseen to the eyes can kill you. Read your food labels and learn what the ingredients are because the FDA does approve many subtances that have been known to cause harm. I acknowledge that men and women are imperfect everywhere, Prophet or not. God knows all and sent His Son Jesus Christ to save as many souls as possible to make it back to God's amazing presence. After death we all will be judged and resurrected, even the most filthy soul will receive a brand new resurrected body. I'm filthy, but I will be eternally grateful for the chance to live forever in God's presence if He will have me. God allows each person to find truth for themselves. Seek, ask, knock.
@@mrs.molehknee5545 It's cool how you compared the whole issue of why God affirmed to church members in the early 1900s that blacks were less valiant spirits in the pre-mortal life to a monologue about food labels and the FDA. But hey, the church is true no matter what, nothing else matters.
@@Nepthu I think you're speaking facetiously here, but you're not far off; having a witness from God is more important than all of the imperfect understandings we have of every other facet of the gospel and Church history.
This presentation is absolutely wonderful to know. Thank you for sharing so that I can find out for my self and seek my own guidance to the truthfulness of The First Vision of which I know to be true.
Woow!!!
I'am confused now. I grew up in the church and never heard of different accounts of the first version and they said publish in different account's in 1960's but no one said anything and now they are saying something new and i'am now in my 40's? Why cant they get message out clearer back when I was younger would of help me stay on the right path????
Hi Robert, thanks for your comment. We're sorry you have felt confused. As the video describes, Joseph Smith published two accounts of the First Vision during his lifetime. The first of these, known today as Joseph Smith-History, was canonized in the Pearl of Great Price and thus became the best known account. The two unpublished accounts, recorded in Joseph Smith’s earliest autobiography and a later journal, were generally forgotten until historians working for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints rediscovered and published them in the 1960s. Since that time, these documents have been discussed repeatedly in Church magazines, in works printed by Church-owned and Church-affiliated presses, and by Latter-day Saint scholars in other venues. The various accounts of the First Vision tell a consistent story, though naturally they differ in emphasis and detail. We hope you'll learn more and continue strengthening your understanding of the First Vision by reading the essay below: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng Take care!
HAHA. You sound like me. 40's and never heard of these. I do VAGUELY remember hearing people critically speak about different accounts of the first vision but I think I just glazed over and didn't look into it. I want to go read these now. Live and learn!
@@churchofjesuschrist your messaging is so frustrating. You state, "The various accounts of the First Vision tell a consistent story, though naturally they differ in emphasis and detail", but the only consistency logically derived from analyzing the various accounts is 1) Joseph went to the forest, 2) he was visited by someone, 3) that somebody said something.
The inconsistency living behind these three vague commonalities is 1) Joseph's purpose for going to the forest wasn't the same in each account, 2) the somebody wasn't the same person in each account, 3) those somebodies didn't give him the same message in the various accounts.
The emphasis and details are too discordant to claim they tell a consistent story. You are misleading the public!
@@josephandrews4736 The details aren't the same in each account because Joseph Smith had a different purpose in each and wrote them years apart. It wasn't as if he was trying to achieve exact retellings each time, and in most circumstances when people relate an experience we find reasons to relate different details each time, especially depending on our audience and the purpose we have in relating it. A person who reads the multiple accounts is still in the same position of choosing to either believe or disbelieve, and we are still encouraged to pray to ask God directly about it.
Robert Ferrin, of the various accounts, one is particularly useful for members of the Church to know, and that account has been included in scripture. I find that study of the other accounts can be interesting and insightful, but the account that is included in the Pearl of Great Price is the most important for me to study.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
God Is good it’s wrong and it’s been proven so many times. The Book of Mormon is wrong. The thing they teach is wrong. If you want the truth read the Bible. Mormons believe on the Bible and the Book of Mormon and they contradict each other.
@@victorrubio9373 I study both the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Having done so, I can say confidently that they support each other. The true doctrines of the Church of Jesus do contradict false interpretations of the Bible, which is so helpful in our day when there is so much confusion in the world. May I ask you about your beliefs? What is the foundation of your faith? I know why I study the Bible, but why do you?
Some of this accounts he had to write them to some people and others as a testimony. But obviously all are based on the same experience. Describing it 20 years later to a diferent people a guess would not be exactly the same words.
Cool ! i felt the spirit pretty strong when i read the accounts on the first vision, in the saints:standard of truth book, i enjoyed that book more then i thought i would, looking forward to reading the second one when it comes out
This is true! I know it happened!
And how do you "know" it happened?
Michael A if you pray and sincerely ask god, he will reveal the truth to you. That’s how I know
@@hupomeno9035 you can know too if you read and pray about the Book of Mormon to God.
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I know because of truths manifested unto me by the power of the Holy Ghost.
There's multiple prophecies in the Bible which were not fulfilled, one of the prophecies is a sealed book will be revealed in the last days.
The Nephites were the remnant of Joseph of Ephraim, Ezekiel spoke of one stick for Judah, another stick for Joseph and prophesied the two will become one in thine hand at the gathering of Israel.
Isaiah also gave a prophecy of this sealed book.
2 Nephi 27:12
12 Wherefore, at that day when the book shall be delivered unto the man of whom I have spoken, the book shall be hid from the eyes of the world, that the eyes of none shall behold it save it be that three witnesses shall behold it, by the power of God, besides him to whom the book shall be delivered; and they shall testify to the truth of the book and the things therein.
"save it be that three witnesses"
Oliver Cowdery
Martin Harris
David Whitmer
2 Nephi 29:8
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
"testimony of two nations"
Ephraim & Judah as prophesied by Ezekiel.
Malachi 4:5
5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
D&Cs 110:14
14 Behold, the time has fully come, which was spoken of by the mouth of Malachi-testifying that he [Elijah] should be sent, before the great and dreadful day of the Lord come -
Ephesians 1:10
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil.
Ask god
I respect everyone’s beliefs. But a person should read the Bible for them self, instead of listening to every person’s. I did n it answer a lot of questions that I have. If u seek the truth then seek the Bible. Happy reading 😊 😊 😊
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints love the Bible. We also are grateful for additional scripture such as the Book of Mormon. Have you read any of it?
Amen !
Gods word is eternal
The Bible is all you need !
@@leo-elfeo9141 In the Bible, we have Jesus' own words as he quoted earlier scripture, saying that we should live "by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Timothy said that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". So there's no reason to ignore God's word in the Book of Mormon. Anyone who reads it will find the value in it. You can read it for yourself to see.
@@leo-elfeo9141 Read the Book of Isaiah. You will read about it a people (The nephites) and a seal book (THE BOOK OF MORMON) he talked about the seal book after he says that Man will transgress the laws and the everlasting covenant
I'm wondering how you feel about the tampering of the original message of the bible. It has been around for so long and translated so many times from so many different languages that it is completely possible that the old meaning could be lost.
I love this!
Nice video.
I beive it i am joful to share this gospel of jesus christ to my neighbors
All these things were prophesied over 2000 years before by another Prophet of God. His name was also Joseph.
I wish you didn't omit Joseph's initial encounter with Satan, and how the Father and Christ rescued Joseph from his influence with the First Vision, but great video anyway.
I like that part too.
Yeah. Think about that. Why would they do that? Why would they omit several of these stories for decades? Truth doesn't have to fear truth.
That's because it came out somewhere around the fourth version.
Is it so relevant to the message of the video?
@@jonelcharles8141 Since so much of what the gospel teaches about opposing forces, the reality of a Christ, and the reality of Satan, our adversary, I believe it must be included in the truth...so therefore it is always relevant...and teaches us that God Almighty has the power to save us, that Satan's power will not ultimately prevail
So it took more than a decade for anyone, including Smith to write down even one word about the most important thing to have happened since the resurrection? Weird. I also noticed that while the video pointed out that there were varying accounts (an admission that the church hid as much as possible for over a century) it didn't go into any detail regarding the differences. Perhaps because one account makes it clear that it was an angel while another claims it was god but doesn't mention a church /belief system being true or false let alone suggest that Joseph was supposed to become a prophet. The accounts can't even agree on how old Joseph was. Soooooo weird 🤔
There are a lot of really important events that happen in our lives that we don't write down immediately. If you're a great journal keeper, that's good, but be aware that for most people, some important events are so prominent in our minds that we don't feel a need to write them down immediately.
Hi @jonsjunkmailonly, this video introduces viewers to the First Vision, and we invite anyone interested in learning more to study the various accounts and the brief essay on the subject at the link below. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
Take this as you may, but it appeared that he only started making accounts when he had scribes helping him write or dictating. He quite literally was a rural farmboy. Yet, he also later took a greater part in his education.
@@kohelet2446 Yup, remember his wife several times explained to others that Joseph, early on after the plates were unearthed, struggled to, on his own, put a coherant sentance together.
@@richardhiltbrunn446 She is quoted several times saying essentially this. However, she also lied about a lot of other seminal events in Church History and Joseph's life, so, "what you gonna do" with that impeached witness testimony?
Y’all look unto a man who isn’t the author and finisher of our faith, and Paul himself said that if anyone preaches another gospel let him be cursed.
Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
We look to Joseph Smith the same way you (and we) look to Paul: as prophets who testify of the Savior of the World, Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith's testimony of Christ was powerful, and you would be blessed to know more of it. Concerning angels and the gospel, it is the true gospel of Christ that is taught in the restored Church of Jesus Christ, and God has done this to bless the world, as was foretold by the apostle John in Revelation 14:6 - "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people". I would encourage you to learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at ComeUntoChrist.org or ChurchOfJesusChrist.org.
It is true!
If you do as Joseph did and ask with sincerity and faith, you can know the truth as well. I know these things are true.
...I don't share all the same details of my life even in mine own family. in God I trust. that's my intended message to them. and this is His gospel.
I love the video!
God does not dwell in unholy places. The world we live in is unholy why would he visit the earth?? Maybe it wasn't a literal physical visitation afterall.
The Earth, by itself, is not unholy. Wickedness of people make it so. Often, God chose places of seclusion, like mountains, to speak to prophets in the past, such as with Moses, for example.
You can say it all you want church, but for anyone who actually reads all of the accounts together, they are NOT CONSISTENT! You can see Joseph's theology changing over time from numerous sources, which gets reflected in each of his accounts when he gives them (read the three witnesses statement and see how many gods are mentioned. Does this make sense if he saw 2 different gods in 1820?) He believed in one god up until 1835, then 2, then ultimately many gods by the time he published the Book of Abraham. Duh!
It depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for faults, you will find them. That applies to basically anything.
@Poetman 247, this video introduces viewers to the multiple accounts of the First Vision, and we invite anyone interested to study the various accounts and learn more at the link below. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
@@churchofjesuschrist I did study them, among many other things (including all of the weasel-worded gospel topics essays), and found that Joseph Smith was a fraud and a con man. Simple enough.
@@00Fisher00 Word of advice: Never practice law.
@@poetman2472 I'll offer up some advice to you, too: Don't expect people to be persuaded by the ad hominem fallacy and name calling.
Again, if you're looking for faults you can find them, and if you're looking for explanations you can find them also. God will only testify of truth, though. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ who seek a witness from God about the First Vision and receive that witness are happy to accept explanations for why the different accounts were told in different ways.
Dear any LDS church member reading this comment: I have a video called Open question No. 2 on my channel. I ask a very serious question with all the respect I can muster. I hope somebody can dignify it with a response.
Regarding the video: why did it take more than 10 years before ths vision was even mentioned and only after he formed his church (I'm not a one true church believer so I will not refer to it as THE church).
Thanks for showing an interest. I watched your video and left some of my thoughts in a comment for you.
As to why Joseph Smith didn't write down an account of the First Vision until several years later, that's pretty normal. There are a number of highly significant events in my life that I didn't write down right away--particularly because they were especially salient in my memory. Who Joseph Smith told about the vision before recording it can't be known, particularly if they were instructed to keep it in confidence.
@@jh1781 You've been very impolite in your comment and anyone can see it. No, I'm not comparing anything about a bicycle to anything else. What I know is that people are not perfect record keepers, by a long shot. I will tell you this: there are many events in my life, including some of them that are the most important to me, that I did not write down for years, but later did. Perhaps if I had been consistently diligent about journal writing from an early age, I would have recorded all of those significant events right away, but in my own life that's not how it happened. So I'm not surprised at all that Joseph Smith didn't write down some of his experiences right away either. Frankly, if you've written down all of your most important life experiences as soon as they happened, then you're probably in a minority.
@William S. What is the name of your channel?
@@00Fisher00 let's think about this. You have a vision of God and Jesus appearing to you. No rational person can believe that this wasn't a life changing event. Something of this nature is literally seared into one's memory. It would never vary.
kkheflin3 When Paul shares the story of his conversion, he changes what details he mentions in different versions of his accounts... why? At different times, depending on who he is talking to he brings up the details of what will help that specific person the most. Same with the Gospels... Christ lived one life, yet there are discrepancies in chronological and even story details between the books. That is because they are writing for different audiences. Joseph Smith told the story to different people. Different groups of people need specified direction. Joseph Smith focused on different details of His experience to meet the needs of the people he was talking to at the moment...
My issue is this. If I had a vision as powerful as Joseph Smith's First Vision with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ I would never forget and can't imagine I would ever change one detail. That is a problem for me.
What evidence do you see that he changed any details? Omitting details with each telling us not the same as "changing." If I asked you what you're excited was on 9/11, I guarantee your recalling of the details would differ even though that was a powerful and traumatic experience. But you'd emphasize different details depending on who asks and when. That's human nature.
It would actually be a worry if he didn't differ his account. When asking a witness to testify they compare what they testified to the police because an accurate sign of falsehood is an exact story. While a testimonies elements must be consistent, exact details rarely are, not because people are trying to deceive but for a multitude of reasons such as what they want the audience to focus on, what they are focusing on currently in their own lives, or just because we are imperfect and therefore can misremember.
When I have particularly spiritual experiences I often find reason to only share parts of them with some people. There are other times when it's been important for some reason or another to give much greater detail. There are plenty that I never wrote anything about for quite some time, and some that I've only shared with a few people. So for my part, I don't have trouble with that at all.
"Oh how glorious was the morning"
Exodus 33:20 “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared .
Some passages are easy to misinterpret, especially without context. Would you like to understand more?
@@00Fisher00 More? Thus far you haven't said anything. But by all means express your opinion on how you think I misunderstood those verses and we can even go through them in their complete chapters in the original Hebrew and in Greek if you're prepared.
@@darthmcgee2216 The longer form of the question would be, "Would you like to understand more than you already do?" It was a question of intent. If you're looking for an argument, I must say that I don't find them to be useful. If you're looking to increase mutual understanding, I would want to start by asking you about your own beliefs first. What are you hoping for as you comment here?
Beautiful.
So he had a vision in 1820 and did not write about it for 12 years in 1832? And then had different versions of the story over the years? Sure nothing shady about that.
Doesn't this just drive you crazy? Why didn't he post the details in his blog or on Facebook? When he finally put it on Instagram, how many likes did he get? You'd think this happened in backwoods upper New York in the early 19th century the way it all came about. Nothing shady about that at all.
Nothing shady at all. People often relate experiences differently at different times and commonly don't write them down right away.
Matthew, mark, Luke, and John, also related the events during Jesus's life differently.
@@00Fisher00 Pretty sure if I saw God and Jesus, all of my versions of the story would include that. Joseph's varies even in that huge detail. -shady
Insane isnt it, that Matthew mark Luke and john all lived and followed and actually saw Jesus both in the flesh and resurrected and didnt write about it for 32 to 77 years after he died on the cross ! - nothing shady about that.
Must be all garbage by that logic
Thanks me, first vision happy me....
@@tkc3742 We're so grateful for the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, so that we won't be deceived by false ideas. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is wonderful.
Thank you for making these!
The visuals on these videos are awesome, they really flow well with the information!
Ја верујем у прву визију и истинитост мормонове књиге
Originally Joseph Smith wrote about 1 personage only, later he changed it...
Do some deeper digging, my friend.
Hi @anisuthideyakoindu
anisuthideyakoindu, this video introduces viewers to the First Vision, and we invite anyone interested in learning more to study the various accounts and the brief essay on the subject at the link below. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
That makes perfect sense. It's hard to remember when GOD himself appears to you if it was one or two people. Sheesh! Give the guy a break!
@@thefoursisters He didn't have trouble remembering that. He wrote about the events with a particular emphasis, and then he wrote about them again years later in a different way, and then he wrote about the events again years later in more detail, and then gave another account later. It really isn't that hard to understand if you consider the way people naturally relate events.
@@00Fisher00 Your description sounds an awful lot like....embellishment aka lying. You're basically saying that being in presence of God the Father is a "trivial detail" that didn't warrant being mentioned the first time Joseph told the story.
Love it!
If we present our beliefs to the world with cartoons, they will be perceived by the world as cartoons.
I believe the first vision of Joseph Smith because of the Book of Mormon.
Has anyone heard of Swedenborg ? His out of body experiences match Joseph.
I've only read the revision in the Pearl of Great Price. I would like to read the other accounts. Can anyone point me in the direction where I might be able to find them?
Gospel library >church history >Joseph Smith accounts
Joel Murphy,
The church has all the versions and why there's so many versions on their own site, click the link below to see;
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
Joel Murphy I believe the “gospel topic essays” have the different versions
You should be able to find in the history of the church open for all to see and learn?
You can find them straight on the church’s website churchofjesuschrist.org if you go there and search for them you’ll find them
This apology overlooks a significant aspect of these variant versions of the First Vision. There are, in fact, six accounts of the First Vision, either written by Joseph Smith himself or written with his approval. The differences among them are significant and can hardly be explained as telling different pieces of a single story at different times. Taken from earliest to latest they show a pattern of experiment and enhancement that is not at all what one would expect from a credible witness recalling an actual event. Every lawyer knows that eyewitness accounts do not become more detailed and specific with the passage of time. But stories get grander in the process of myth-making as they are adjusted to meet the changing needs of the community of faith. Smith's original story has only Jesus. Other versions mention two personages and angels. The 1842 version has God the Father and his Son appearing to Smith. The main part of their message is missing in earliest version. Subsequent accounts speak of some doctrinal errors in Christians denominations known to Smith. In the final version, all Christian denominations are categorically condemned by God, and Smith is commanded to restore the true gospel. All of this reflects the changing uses to which Smith put his initial faith story. As a process of composition, this evolution of the message makes perfect sense. As eyewitness testimony of an actual historical event, it is hopelessly compromised by re-invention and embellishment.
@David Callahan, this video introduces viewers to the multiple accounts of the First Vision, and we invite anyone interested to study the various accounts and learn more at the link below. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
It is entirely possible for someone to give a brief account of an event and then a longer and more detailed account later. It simply depends on what the purpose and audience were.
Good luck to anyone who can attempt to write a book that in hand with the bible leads millions to the truth of Jesus Christ and join a church that in turn helps it's members and millions of other people outside of it's membership. Joseph Smith may be the ultimate philanthropist. Why would millions of people want to share their money with strangers who are passing through hardship? Could there be a possibility that this book could lead millions to the truth of God? The bible has been changed over time through various translations and yet brings many to the truth of God. The Book of Mormon has not passed through but one translation and contains truths purposefully taken from the bible. Joseph Smith and scribes spent less than 70 dedicated days in the work of translating. That is much less time than authors use to write great fiction books. You will only come to know this for yourself as you read the Book of Mormon yourself, and read with the intent to genuinely find the truth. By their fruits you will know them and the Book of Mormon is an amazing fruit. I hope you seek truth my friend. It will get tiring fighting it after a while.
The accounts are not something that was hidden. I joined the church in the early 80's and found them in book form and in the Improvement Era, where they were published before I joined the church. I don't remember now if all 6 were in the same article in the Era. I think I've got the copies in a box in the basement. I'll have to try and dig them out. It didn't seem to me, as a convert, that the church was trying to hide anything.
www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Did_Joseph_Fielding_Smith_remove_the_1832_account_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_First_Vision_from_its_original_letterbook_and_hide_it_in_his_safe%3F
If you read Genesis 3: In the Torah is says in English the Lord God spoke to Adam and Eve. However it does not say that in Hebrew. In Hebrew it says that Jehovah Elohim spoke to them. Who are Jehovah Elohim? Early Christians as do Mormons believe Jesus was Jehovah. In Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew it says that Elohim (which means God of the Gods) crested the heavens and the earth. Jesus said to Mary Magdalene ' I go to your father and my father your God and my God' On the cross Jesus prayed to Father "Eli Eli" which means my God and is short for Elohim. Thus when in the garden it was said to Adam and Eve "man has become one of us knowing good from evil" clearly the "us" is Heavenly Father and Jesus. So Joseph Smith spoke to The Father and Son as they did to Adam and Eve, in a sacred place.
NO...the three accounts of Paul on the road to Damascus are NOT written by Paul. They are written by 3 separate personages many years later. Joseph Smith wrote all his accounts. You cannot compare the two. Classic Manipulation
Sure they can be compared, and it's not manipulation. It's simply a fair look at how people record events. You can consider for yourself when you've given accounts from your own life to different people that you didn't tell them the exact same way each time, and that you chose different details to include depending on the audience, your purpose in speaking or writing, and whatever happened to be important to you at the time.
Gaslighting at its finest.
Not at all.
@@00Fisher00 Yes at all
@@00Fisher00 literally, textbook definition of gaslighting.
@@poetman2472 No, not at all, and it's not useful to casually throw the word around without giving the slightest attempt to justify it.
@@jonsjunkmailonly No, it isn't. Anyone who cares to explain why they feel that way can open up meaningful discussion. Otherwise it just amounts to name-calling, which doesn't help anyone.
So many *different* version of the so-called "first vision"; which one is the *real* version?
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There are several real versions. They do contain some differences, and that's what we should expect from historical accounts. Have you ever kept journal entries? Have you ever written to someone about experiences you've had? Try it sometime. Write in different circumstances, to different audiences, and for different purposes, but about the same general event. For the best effect, wait several years between writing each. Then, take a look at your own writing to see what differences appear. You will likely find that you had different emphasis and included some different details. This is pretty normal for human beings working from memory. I invite you to read Joseph Smith's own accounts of the First Vision. It was a most remarkable experience in his life, and was important for everyone alive today.
The Book of Mormon is true
where I can find the same in Spanish?
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Love it
hmmmm..... I don't think so...
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Teria esse vídeo em português?
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Don’t be deceived ! Joseph was not the same you think he was , and The Holy Bible and Book of Mormon counterdict each other ! The Bible is first and before anything , Jesus is God :)
Hi @Zach J, thanks for giving us the opportunity to clarify our beliefs. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes nicknamed Mormon or LDS) believe the Book of Mormon is a companion to the Holy Bible, not a replacement or substitute to it. The Book of Mormon testifies of Jesus Christ as our Savior, and, like the Bible, is holy scripture containing the word of God. We invite everyone to read the Book of Mormon, sincerely study its message, and pray to ask God if it is true. You or others interested can learn more here: czcams.com/video/nyV61Hh9KdA/video.html Merry Christmas!
Hey, just to let you know, Zach, the Bible and Book of Mormon actually don't contradict each other any more than the Bible contradicts itself. I'd be happy to tell you more.
Jay Britton Fisher doesn’t the very last verse of the bible say you should not add an addition onto these scriptures?
@@poopyfacehole1426 That is a pretty common misconception, but no, it doesn't, and I'll be happy to tell you why. In Revelation 22:18-19, the apostle John wrote, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." So when he said, "this book", what book was he talking about? The Bible hadn't been compiled yet. A few hundred years later, scholars created the Bible (tà biblía in Koine Greek, which means, "the books") by assembling what writings they could that were considered to be inspired by God. To anyone who read John's book that we call the Revelation before then, it would be clear that he was referring to his own book that he had been writing at the time: Revelation. John was happy to have more writings from prophets; the last words John wrote himself, in his own "gospel", were these: "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." (John 21:25) It's interesting to note that Moses used the same wording about not adding to or taking away from his words back in Deuteronomy, the last of his writings, in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32. If he had meant that no prophets were to ever write God's word again, we would have to reject everything that came afterward, including the rest of the Bible. Clearly he was again referring to his own writings. Even then, the Bible wasn't a single work created by God but rather many individual writings that people compiled centuries after they were written, while the Book of Mormon is a separate compilation. To me, it simply makes sense that God would not suddenly decide that prophets were no longer useful. Particularly when I listen to the words of living prophets, I am very grateful for what God gives us through them. If you'd like to listen to their words for yourself (and I highly recommend this), you can at churchofjesuschrist.org/general-conference .
Thanks for the question.
Jay Britton Fisher you wanna know how the Book of Mormon/Mormon “prophets” contradicts the Bible!
Joseph was confused as a young boy….ok. I was too. The book of James said to ask God….ok I did too. However…Jesus was baptized by John…a voice came from heaven saying “this is my son”…but no vision! This was Jesus! He said no one has seen the father. So Joseph DID NOT see this. God is a spirit…which can never be seen. Period. Jesus did not make an appearance to Joseph Smith. Jesus said when He returns….EVERYONE will see Him. Jesus warned about false prophets….there is no other book needed or any other angel needed. Read your Bible so you won’t be deceived.
The writings of the Bible teach us that all scripture is useful for us, and they mention several times when people did see God. I mentioned one in my other comment to you, but here's another; Exodus 24:9-10 tells us, "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."
. “I will preach on the plurality of gods. I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see” (King Follett Discourse)
Joseph Smith ....
“Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.”
Isaiah 44:6-7
I encourage all of you to read Isaiah 44-46 with an open mind and a renewed heart in Christ
He Loves you but you must repent to the The True Christ of the Bible !!!!
God Bless all of you !!
Just to let you know, members of the Church of Jesus Christ study from the Bible regularly and all of our worship is centered on Jesus Christ. We do believe in repentance also through His power, but I'd encourage you to focus on your own repentance and seeking to understand others before telling them to repent.
We believe that God our Father, attained Godhood. And invites us to do the same. We are taught so we can understand, but never the fullness of the truth at first. \
Jehovah was speaking that, there is no other God besides him. He's not wrong, are you going to go worship a golden cow? your TV? Nope.
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
That invite came from Christ, WHO attained his Godhood after his Resurrection. He didn't say he was perfect... yet. Just the Father.
lol...how long?
The greatest lie from the devil, we can become (like) God!
@@Wilvekio69 We were commanded by Jesus Christ to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)
These videos serve two main purposes: 1) to explain the basics to those who are NOT members of the church but trying to figure it out. 2) To help shift the use of the term "Mormons" to "members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." So WHY did President Nelson announce this decree? Why did he call the term a satanic trick? Because those who are "anti-Mormon" have historically used the term "Mormons" to deflect away from the fact this is a Christian church centered on Jesus Christ. However, among church members themselves the term Mormon is still used and always will be because for us it carries with it a rich heritage and deep meaning. When talking to non-members we try to reiterate the full name of the church to focus on Christ's message, not ourselves. The most preferable term for members is in fact Saints.
More like 9 different accounts specifically. And why did he not teach about the accounts, or the one that you now teach is true until 22 yrs later??
Those are great questions, have you taken the time to consider why that is?
Does anyone know if these "Now you know" videos are available in Spanish?
Hi Shannon, thanks for your question. The videos are not yet available in Spanish, but we'll pass along your interest in translation. Thanks for watching!
When Jesus Christ died on the cross he said it's Finished, yall came up with a false teaching I will stick with the bible no need for add ons ,Let God be true and everyman a Liar
We are God's children, Asha. He answers prayers. If you sincerely want to know any truth, ask God and he will tell you.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints fully believe in the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and we appreciate that he gave every mortal effort until He declared His mortal life to be "finished". It's clear that His larger work was not the thing that was finished, as he came back to His apostles after His resurrection and charged them with more work. Other prophets and apostles continue to do His work today. God's teachings, such as what is reflected in this video, are not false teachings, and Jesus' words in the Bible indicate that we should accept *all* scripture. I'd be happy to help you understand more.
It is finished, meaning the Atonement. Last I checked we are still here on Earth and the work and God's plan is not finished. He still has to fulfill ALL of His promises He made to the world and to the House of Israel. He is still actively trying to bring us back to Him, not just leaving us with a Bible so we can arbitrarily interpret it as the incredibly smart humans we are.
I admire your stance on this and I would like to know where exactly it is that he says this.
@@gloriacox9926 I'd say a more admirable stance is to seek God's will and be ready to do it. Jesus spoke the words "It is finished," in John 19:30. "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." As I mentioned above, He was referring to His Atoning sacrifice. He clearly wasn't saying that the work of God's servants on Earth was done, because He returned after His resurrection to give the apostles a commission to preach. The New Testament itself was recorded after Jesus actually spoke these words. Some people are hesitant to receive more scripture from God, but others do receive it and are blessed by it. God doesn't expect you or anyone else to believe in the Book of Mormon just because other people say it's good, but if you read it for yourself and ask God about it in sincere prayer, He will testify to you of its truth through the power of the Holy Ghost. I invite you to find out for yourself.
“Apologetics”
"the most fundamental principles of their faith rest on this event" be carefull because joseph smith experience, true or not, does not save. only Jesus saves, is important that no other experience and character or religion be upon him.
The same could be said for all the prophets.
S Mariscal - The Church does not hold anyone above Jesus Christ, with perhaps exception to the Father (obviously). That goes for Joseph Smith as well. Those who claim otherwise are incorrect. The Church’s name is a great argument to those that make this claim. Jesus Christ is the central figure, and as it pertains to the First Vision (as it has been titled), that too centers entirely on Jesus Christ’s message to Joseph; a message that opened up the dispensation of the fullness of times, a complete restoration of the gospel, and that DOES SAVE those that follow the gospel, repent, are baptized, etc., by applying the blessings and gifts of the Savior’s atonement, and by striving to become as Christ-like in character as is possible, until the end.... a process of becoming and growing in righteousness, following Jesus Christ’s instructions, commandments, and His perfect example.
There is no need to warn anyone about the Church as it pertains to the Prophet Joseph Smith in comparison to Jesus Christ. Anyone in the Church, including Joseph (if he were here), would find such a notion strange and out of place. Jesus Christ is at the head of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Prophets are mortal men that serve His purposes, nothing more. We don’t worship any prophet. Reverence is not the same as worship.
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S Mariscal that also what we believe so there is no Problem with that :)
No one ever said Joseph Smith saves. Prophets testify of God and Christ. They are sent by God to correct those who have turned away from the truth. Then, usually, those who have turned from the truth claim the prophet to be false and try to discredit him, or stop him from teaching, against their false beliefs.
Mormonisim
Did they do something bad to you? if not then it's the work of a devil.
How could he have seen God?
Luke 24:39
Exodus 33:20
1 Tim. 6:15-16
Acts 7:55-56
Some passages referring to people seeing God are difficult to understand on the surface. 1 Timothy 6:14-16 and Luke 24:39 appear to blatantly contradict each other at first glance. There must, therefore, be deeper meaning that what is often ascertained in a single simple reading of a few verses.
You do know the Bible contradicts itself due to mis-translations.
See Gen 32:30, Exodus 19:11, Exodus 33:11, Deuteronomy 34:10, Job 19:26
Do I need to go on? There are many more verses.
Also Jasiel Cruz, ask yourself, why wouldn't God want His children to see Him? Especially when He wants a great prophet like Moses or Joseph Smith to accomplish a great work.
D F i can’t answer that question because it really doesn’t matter to me. I’m just quoting the Bible
Is weird
Just FYI, "Mormonism" really isn't anything, but the Church of Jesus Christ blesses millions of people. Some things may seem strange when new, but when one sees what great good is done through the Church, it doesn't end of seeming weird at all.
Love seeing all the Mormon NPCs in the comments spouting what they've been told to repeat their whole lives in the church. Which account of Joseph Smith's first vision is the right one? God and Jesus? An angelic choir? A pillar of fire? For something that important he sure did struggle to remember exactly what happened 😄
No, he didn't struggle to remember; you're struggling to understand why he wrote what he did. All of his accounts provide information about his experience.
The Father had no body…Jesus is the only one in the godhead that has a body. Period.
What's the point in having two spirits?
We understand things quite differently, based on revelation to prophets. For example, when Stephen was killed, he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ together. From Acts 7:55-56, "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."
We aren't mormons. We are latter day-saints
but you're still Mormons
@@bukchoyfarmer2539 People still use the nickname, but the true name of the Church since 1838 has been the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. What we are is disciples of Christ.
The Bible should have been more deeply studied by joseph and he would have seen that there is no need for new covenants and that anything new is not from God. J.S. Was a story teller and into black magic. He was in no way a christian. He came up with this stuff from his own imagination. We are taught to watch for new developments and flee from it. Mathew 7. Galations says if an angel from heaven comes to you with new revelations, flee from it, its not from me, (God)
Actually, the apostle John said the opposite in the final book of the Bible: "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people". (Revelation 14:6) Everything that God gives us is good. Joseph Smith testified powerfully of Jesus Christ, even until he was killed for it. He was a true prophet. While Jesus warned us about false prophets, as recorded in Matthew 7:15-20, and then he told us how we would be able to distinguish between true and false prophets: by their fruits. Happily, we can easily examine the fruits of the prophet Joseph Smith; namely, we can study the Book of Mormon and pray to God to know it is true, and we can participate in the restored Church of Jesus Christ. When we see and know the goodness in these fruits, we know that Joseph Smith truly was called by God to do His work.