Why Vancouver Canucks Fans Hate This All-time Great....
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Mark Douglas "Moose" Messier, a legendary forward known for his talent, toughness, and profound respect in the hockey world, graced the game for an astonishing 25 seasons. Revered as one of the greatest players in the sport's history, Messier's regular-season records are nothing short of amazing he ranks third in points (1,887), eighth in goals (694), third in assists (1,193), and second in games played (1,756). His playoff statistics are even more awe-inspiring, ranking second all-time in goals (109), assists (186), and points (295), and fourth in games played (236).
Messier's accolades are a testament to his dominance and skill on the ice. He captured the Hart Trophy as the NHL’s most valuable player twice, once with the Oilers in 1990 and again with the Rangers in 1992. With six Stanley Cup victories to his name and a Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP in 1984, his legacy is cemented in hockey lore.
This is what most people already know about Mark Messier. However, today I want to talk about why Mark Messier is hated by a certain fanbase. Most people forget, but during Messier's three years with the Vancouver Canucks, he did the most to make himself hated forever within the organization. So why exactly was he so hated, and why does the organization and its fans wanna forget the messier era in vancouver, well lets start at the beginning
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What's your opinion on Mark Messier!?👀
Couldn't he have worn *#27?* His WHA number
@@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv
GORDIE HOWE: Ahem.
I’m an oiler so I love em. Also, fantastic channel, great profile picture, and a bright future ahead for ya bud! Keep up all the hard work!!
Legend. Best player the Canucks have ever had on their team. Ungrateful fanbase
The Canucks are the ones that signed him to a $20 million deal when he was 36 years old. If you're gonna hate on anyone, hate on the group that brought him in.
Bro great video! To this day as a Canucks fan I hate him. Only recently did Messier say it was a mistake to take the "C" from Linden. Him and Keenan sent us into very painful rebuild!
Not to mention, taking the retired #11 from the late *Wayne Maki.* Couldn't Mess have worn, say, #27? His WHA number
@@dnasty312 # 11 was never retired
hated that they named the leadership award after this guy, good video
Should’ve been Jean Beliveau.
I was glad to see in Bob McCown’s book that one of his top arguments in hockey is that Messier’s leadership is overrated and essentially a myth.
@@September2004 messier was such a good leader that his teams missed the playoffs in his last 7 seasons. both teams, van and nyr, made the playoffs the season after he left. the latter routinely had the league's highest payroll while he was there.
messier is to leadership what mike babcock was to coaching. in both cases, their egos make donald trump look humble by comparison. yes, messier was a good player. but he was also an arrogant asshole, as a player and as a person. quite honestly, he still is. and his flavorless lay's chips suck.
he waltzes into vancouver, disrespects wayne maki's family, drives out every player the fans loved, gets his butt-buddy keenan hired, declines as a player, and leads the canucks to their worst run in franchise history. he whined like he was pierre-luc dubois. he can go fuck a cactus.
i was never an oilers fan, but at least i can respect guys like gretzky and kurri, and mcdavid and draisaitl. i cannot respect messier. he is an asshole of the highest order.
Good Video, but you could have spent more time discussing the ‘94 final to build up the rivalry between Messier and the Canucks. Besides kneeing Trevor Linden in the head he also had several slashes and elbows to Pavel Bure and other future teammates. That series was the background for everything else that followed…
messier came in with an overall disdain for the canucks and a toxic attitude. a real dark period in which Linden was mistreated and Keenan shit all over the franchise. we Canucks fan dont look back kindly on this period and hate Messier for the disrespect he showed the whole club and fanbase
Worst Canuck ever (49 Year fan)
worst Canucks ever were the Sardine twins era, boo they sucked! ( Fan since Captain Kirk days )
Yes he really left bad memories with all Canucks fans that won't ever be forgotten.
least favorite athlete of all time. i'd even take tom brady and derek jeter over him, and they're two of the smuggest bastards in sports. messier is just plain a terrible person.
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Messier's Canucks years were a real "Mess" to put it mildly. The insistence on being #11 after Canucks had retired it for Wayne Maki, shows that Messier's ego had grown so great he had lost all sense of reality about being a Canuck. Management was equally to blame for allowing this inexcusable lack of respect for hockey tradition. Once a number is retired from any NHL team, that's it. You wouldn't go to play for Detroit and demand Gordie Howe's #9, or Oilers #99, or any other NHL team. The Trevor Linden incident and other things about Messier's arrogance, huge ego, grossly inflated contract and poor performance as a Canuck, was nothing but a black hole in Canucks history. Messier really pissed off the fans and that's something no NHL player can ever get away with, on any team.
Shut up bitch. Fuck BC. You’ll never be Alberta or most importantly the Oil. You don’t deserve to respond to this comment either fuck face.
Wayne maki! Who the hell is that lol. Even one of the greatest players to ever lace them up couldn’t change your crap team and franchise into a winning one, a loosing tradition that continues to this day!
@@truenorth1355 Admittedly I had to google Wayne Maki myself. Thankfully finding historical info is quick and easy these days. Turns out his number was retired after dying of brain cancer aged 30. A pretty classy move by a, as you put it, "crap team and franchise". The lesson here, a quick google search is handy for keeping your foot out of your mouth. Or alternatively, watch the whole vid before commenting as this info was also included within. "loosing", by the way, is spelt with one "o", unless of course you're implying the canucks are really into archery.
I think after the whole not-being-able-to-sign Gretzky fiasco (Gretz didn't even return their call), the Canucks were desperate not to make the same mistakes with Messier... but the pendulum swing too far and they gave in to EVERYTHING Messier wanted. We all know how that ended up.
@@brenz36 thanks for the spelling lesson meathead! I couldn’t stand to watching it till the end, if you think this so called classy organization is so awesome then why would they let the Moose use 11 in the first place? Maybe they didn’t have such a speedy way to find out who the guy was just like 99.9 percent of all the dip shit cadicks fans out there surly don’t know who he is. Is my spelling ok this time teach?
Screw Messier
not even with justin trudeau's nanopenis.
Screw you! Fkn hater. Messier is a legend you butthurted cry baby
messed up linden with a cheap hit.
took away our stanley cup (least offensive)
Got our players traded
brought in mike keanen (got linden and bure traded)
Screw Messier. He cared zero about Vancouver. Was a great player but absolutely cashed out with the Canucks. Got his cups, then got his money and checked out. Headed the franchise in some of its worst years, all on his bed of money and lackluster play. Numerous incidents only contributed to the image he had this nasty, arrogant personality. Only person I recall actually said anything nice about him was Näslund.
Screw you youre butthurted he didnt win for your soery ass team
I've been a Canuck fan since they entered the NHL in the 1970s. As such, hated Messier when he played for Edmonton, yet, was a fan of his when he played for Vancouver. That the organization agreed to pay him that kind of money seemed foolish, still, not his "bad", blame the organization's decision-makers. Not losing Pat Quinn & bringing in Keenan were monumental blunders of that time, as well.
Thanks for the great video, as I knew he was hated by some people, but never knew why. Such a convenient video!
He ripped out the heart and soul of the team and stomped on it
I honestly forgot about Mess playing briefly for the Canucks (think that uniform era helped the memory die)! Great video tho!
If I was born one day later I would share the same birth day as Mark Messier
One thing the biggest thing...is that he destroyed the core. Destroyed the core. Its like if someone came in and dismantled a team because he didnt like them. He had an ego. Refused to be a team player.
I actually liked the guy when he played for Edmonton, or at least I thought I did, but as a Canucks fan I lost all respect for him for what he did in Vancouver. What a colossal jerk.
He's a clown. Might be a great player but he's a guy who thinks he's better then the game. To many pucks to the head.
Youre a delusional hater. Messier one of the goats. You just pissed off he didnt take your sorry ass team to the finals. Canucks are overrated you guys never gonna win with midget quinn hugh a broke Demko
cope
Over-rated as a leader. You mentioned his stats "werent bad" for a guy his age in Vancouver...but they were the WORST STATS of his NHL after his rookie season....AND he scored more points in his first year back with the Rangers than in any of his three years in Vancouver. Came to Van for the paycheck and then returned to the Rangers for a 4 year retirement party.
When the heck do you get to the part about a fan base hating him?
Overrated leadership, not a Vancouver fan
when i think of leadership, i think of guys like beliveau, yzerman, sakic. you know, people with humility and class.
One of my favourite players. Didn`t know his father played in the UK. So does that make him the most famous name in UK hockey. I`d say no...... Wayne Gretzkys brother Keith, also played here 👍😁
almost 20 minutes into a 28 minute video to start talking about him playing on the canucks in a video titled "why Vancouver Canucks fans hate this all time great..."
oh ya i remember that devastating era. It was pretty messy, eh?
Yep couldn't have been any Messier. lol
Pinning your hopes and dreams onto a 36 year old center with that many miles on him... probably not a good idea.
I cringe every time he is a guest at HNIC.
Why?
Singlehandedly cost the team Linden, Bure and Mogilny
He would travel separately from the team... the players hated Mr. Potatohead too
Mark messier can pound sand.
His nick name in Vancouver is 'Big Head Messier'
I loved the Moose, he was a great play maker, beastly tough. I only liked him when he played for other teams and not the Canucks. I was excited when Mark was coming to Vancouver, but he became a let down.
It was actually 1989 when the Flames beat the Oliers. Montreal won the Cup in 1986.
um no, the Steve smith incident happened in 1986, a quick google search can show you that
man this is more about how fans blamed the player for the orgs incompetence. its kina funny. these days almost all of these moves would definitely be avoided. like if 80s oilers weren't allergic to success they wouldnt have scattered their dynasty to the four winds. and Vancouver still found a way to fumble handeling those 2 in a worse way. fans are unfair and all that but we accept that cause we love our teams. we just should remember the orgs did alot of the work making these disaster stories.
Worst part of Vancouver Canucks history. I still think it is idiotic that we have the logo from that Orca Bay Sports era. It's a terrible logo and represents an ownership group that had no relationship to it's fanbase otherwise they would never have hired Keenan and signed Messier. We lost to them ina cup final just years before. Brutal.
Bro, you titled the video one thing, and 95% of it wasn't even based on that. This is clickbait
Always needed players to win…
Greatest coattail rider in history.
i used to like messier till he had to have number 11 but it was already retired by the canucks---
All time great player. NOT the all time greatest captain. His behavior in Vancouver plus the fact his teams failed to make the playoffs in each of his final 7 seasons both disqualify him for that honor. Greatest captain debate should involve Yzerman, Beliveau, and a few others. To Canucks fans: sorry you had to go through those 3 years.
Mark Messier had a positive impact on a young Markus Naslund who would later become a Canucks captain and a top player in the NHL.
As a kid, this man was a GOD to me.
Retired number he couldn't win cup for canucks
never played physival, never went in the corners never di ld anything he was known for in Vancouver. hate em like original lays chips, gross af
Greatest canuck ever in terms of accolades and accomplishments.
Ok , this the first view of your content and I have some mild criticism.
1) FIrst, I get that you are a kid & just don't know. However,
Messier did not "guarantee" a win.
Likewise your hyperbole about such was way over the top.
It helps to read the actual article before comparing Mess to Babe Ruth 😂
Messier gave an interview where he was hyping his team in a must win road game. He listed the positive artibutes of his teammates & finished his thought by stating "That is why we will win".
So the NY Post runs the salacious back page headline as "We will win".
The post turned in a offhanded comment about his teammates into some sort of "guarantee"
Joe Namath was a guarantee.
2) MOST IMPORTANT 🌟
I really enjoyed the content. Very well done EXCEPT you simply must educate yourself on the term "VOCAL FRY".
As much as I enjoyed your video I almost turned it off because your low energy vocal fry is absolutely cringetastic.
If you insist on narrating yourself please educate & practice proper vocal production techniques.
Educate and practice.
Knowing is half the battle....
U sound like such a moron lol
RE read "that is why we will win" again, slowly
Mess... no thanks
Mark Messier's legacy is truly divided like a two-sided mirror! Arguably no NHL player have made himself so divided among fans.
One side reflects his merits and leader qualities that goes beyond many of the best captains ever in NHL, and even the NHL introduced the "Mark Messier Award" for best shown leadership on & off the ice. Having Captained 2 teams to Stanley Cup championships in both Conferences (first ever) and became like an iron-man to play year-after-year to age 44! Having been regarded early on at best a mediocre PRO tallent, who fought on to one day establish himself not only as a better, then a mediocre player, but a top level player and even elite level!
BUT...
The other side reflects an uggly portray if Mark Messier. The one of a dirty player who was as individual tallent overrated = was only good when he was with those strong teams he won with. How greedy and money grabbing Messier gradually became, demanding insane salery + bonuses + benefits + salery insurences at advanced age of 38 AND to wear retired number 11# - And somehow, for no sane reason a team (Vancouver Canucks) AGREED and SIGNED ON the demands (?).
That he soon also aquired the "C" captain role from a fan-loved icon (Trevor Linden) and then throwing salt to the wounds that same player gets disrespected, humiliated and oppressed to finallyu getting sent-off in a trade to the non Cup contender NY Islanders.
How despite the insane amounts of tallents on the team, and Messier manages not only to not score impressive numbers on the ice, but also act silent and uninterested in leading his team, a team in great need of a stabile and inspiring leadership.
Then is also the part of a rather seen "mutiny" in the franchise by Messier and new GM Mike Keenan. By getting the team gutted from its tallents to bring in players not needed (especally the goalie changes) and the team plunges into 4 years of darkness. And when Messier leaves the team in 2000, he decade afterwards demand $millions despite never lived up to anything of promises and expenses all he was given - and gets those money in court.
So if you are a Oiler or Rangers fan, you love him - If you are a Canuck fan, you despise him!
If you are neutral, you have a tough balance of the edge that is constantly wobbling as you look on all perspectives and goes back- and forth..
Worst years in Canucks history
imo, crosby is the best captain of all time
Messier is a legend you canucks fans are just butthurted
asked Kurri once who he thought was the best captain and he said Messier. Neither of these players rank high in my opinion. Messier nor Kurri
Thanks for the horrible three seasons as a Canuck.
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He was hated here because because of Maki number , for no team success , for how he influence Mike Keenan coming here and robbing linden of his C and trading him
@@BBB4416maki was garbage
@@thecoolguynamedal Maki passed away at a young age and had 2 very good years for the Canucks.
@@wendellblackett8317 how many cups does he have
On this instance Dont live in the past😢.thank goodness the team is finally GREAT😊
Messier will always be a legend despite Canucks fans bitterness. Leetch and Messier my favorite dynamic duo ever!
he didnt play with any heart here and he gets everyone traded and brings his buddy mike keanen.... 1994 he won the cup ok good for him the stuff he did after nah
being an asshole as a player can be useful, and he was. being an asshole as a person loses my respect. and he was.
My favorite player of all time. The fact that Canucks fans hate him is a big plus.
Hart Trophy is not for league MVP...
you good bro?
Looking at the stats…captained two teams to a cup, hart trophy, third in scoring, while Wayne maki sucked
No one is saying Maki was a better player than Messier -that’s not the point. It’s about respect for the history of the organization and the community. Being better than someone at hockey does not give you the right to dishonour their legacy.
@thecoolguynamedal - Are you a troll or a moron?
@@davekuhn9342 Canucks should have retired it…not take it out of circulation..shows what they really thought of maki
canuk fans are the worst in the NHL 😂😂😂 the entire city is a slum 😂😂😂 never Toronto has better chances of winning a cup before Vancouver leaves the market 😅
Maybe Canucks fans should focus on how they have a bright future and stop bitching about a top 10 player of all time
No one bitches about that f**king scumbag unless his tenure in Vancouver is brought up. It was brought up here. WTF do you expect? F that dude.
yes people hate him cause of ONE short stint with the canucks which to me is a joke. He spent most of his career either with the oilers or the rangers
yeah, because three years of being a cross between mike babcock and pierre-luc dubois doesn't count.
This video is about why Canucks hate Messier.
@@emperoralvis6559 same difference vancouver whining ab one brief stint by him i mean he hardly played for them so why does it matter so much?
Vancouver is probably the most jealous fan base in the NHL
either them or the maple leafs
They’re jealous of… their own captain?
Probably
@@Bbbbbvggtttttfcdeeww Jealous of who exactly?
I dunno if jealous is the right term. Resentful is more accurate. It's a fanbase that has endured a lot of dark years and heartbreak.
He wasn’t even that bad. Vancouver fans blow this way outta proportion 😂
thats gotta be a photoshop job in the picture at 5:00. if you actually did that for the video i highly respect it🫡 if not, that’s a hilarious photo
It’s not photoshopped @justinz39sabers
The Canucks will NEVER win a Stanley Cup.
Just you wait
And neither will you 🤡
@HandShakeLineRespect - Blah blah blah...this team will never win a cup....that team will never win a cup, until they do. It will happen eventually. Your comment is f'king stupid. LOL!
@@sacredalien8011 The Canucks got outscored 23-8 in their recent Finals appearance. Then they got blown out in game 7. Can’t forget about all the Canucks fans crying after the loss 😂
@@HandShakeLineRespect our only finals appearance? Lol are you even old enough to know why we hate Messier? I’m assuming no..