This NEW App is 100x BETTER than Voicemeeter!!
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2022
- The SteelSeries Sonar app is exactly what streamers have been looking for. This is a simple and easy to use virtual mixer for game audio and chat audio. This app works with OBS Studio and every video game that you play. It comes equipped with EQ, Noise Reduction, Noise Gate, and a few other useful tooks for streaming and gaming. Will this replace Voicemeeter, Voicemeeter Banana, or Voicemeeter Potato for you?
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thank you for the honest review and feedback
of course! if you want to work together on this let me know!
Realistically if you combine this with essentially what Elgato's Wave Link does (as he mentioned multiple audio sources...or routing to specific audio sources by application) you would have something near perfect and I would pay for that!
Wow so cool to see steel series in the comments!
From a streaming and general use point of view I would love to see VST2 and/or VST3 support. Maybe with the ability to turn off the other mic functions to help reduce load on the PC.
An additional line for music audio (or anything else people might want to separate). Some streamers like to play light background music but not have it playing for themselves. Also people could alter their background music without affecting their game/desktop volume which could be nice.
Another thing that would be a great extra would be multiple outputs. I currently use Voicemeeter to output audio to two pairs of headphones at the same time so my friend and I can quietly watch movies at night without disturbing any neighbors with my desktop speakers.
@@gamingheadztvMediaHeadztv very much NEED VST support
For the Microphone i tried to use the smart voice but man, a compressor would make every adjustment more precise and consistent
This looks so incredibly promising for something that's in early access. I'll definitely be recommending this video to a few friends! Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention and may the algorithm be with you 🙏
Thank you Owen
VoiceMeeter really just needs someone to copy what it does with a more sane UI. They simply need competition. It works well, but audio routing is hard and in some ways its UI just makes it harder.
Well for me i think Voicemeeter isn't complicated at all, you can get complicated with VST inserting and stuff.
And honestly it isn't even set-up right, because my slider DO affect my volume outputs in obs (even with a Hardware midi controller, which is a really neat feature)
@@CrazyThunderbird It IS complicated AF. The naming, the matrix, the entire routing, the composite mode, it's all a big UI catastrophy. Doesn't mean I don't love it.
@@jakob_mierscheid for those with experience using a real mixer, it actually makes a fair amount of sense, but understanding the UI to make sense of it can be challenging, I agree
That ^
i feel that voicemeeter has much more functions, but this new software is easier for new users.
anyway thanks for the recommendation :D
Let’s hope it grows into something valuable!
@@youngruggedandraw6864 thats just for voice we mean for mixing and having many sources from different websites and tabs. voicemeeter is definetly miles better
voicemeeter has too much delay in game audio
I can't do everything I do with Voicemeeter, so this tool is not useful for me, but sure. I guess for some inept people it's the perfect tool.
This seems pretty cool. I personally think its maybe just more intuitive then better, but they’re on to something! I’ll always respect voicemeeter and the crazy routings I’ve made with it since I’m audio guy and a huge nerd, but I bought a Babyface Pro FS awhile back and it’s software TotalMix FX (which actually is even more confusing than voicemeeter) is so nice once you get it setup.
Voice meter has errors that make your audio staticy or cut out completely. Me and other streamers I know get the same issue. If it does not do that than it is 100% better. Cause it would be useable.
@Nuggie Nigasaki oOf - the tube hasn’t been great about notifying me about comments, so 7 months later I’m coming to tell you it has 12 outs which I’m sure you may have figured out by now, lol.
@@darkfox2401 it takes some real good elbow grease to get working, but I have achieved some pretty streamlined results with no static. Dropouts do happen on occasion, but that’s audio of network. You gotta pay attention to buffers, and try to stick to using devices using kernal streams or take advantage of ASIO. Sadly, I don’t have a direct setting to give you, but given decent hardware and some time on your hand and you can get it sounding pretty good. I still use it to throw audio from my laptop to my studio setup in another room. I also throw my studio audio back to that laptop to monitor and also send that audio to my iPhone. You can get real intricate, but trust me, I spent a entire summer in 2020 getting it together, lol! Still - it isn’t my primary system any more and totalmix that comes with the Babyface Pro is miles more relentless.
Can you help me with setting for a clear good sounding voice on steelseires
How much to fix mine ? I had the perfect setup then reset my PC and can't get voicemeeter to work for the life of me
Exactly what we needed! Appreciate the video my man, now if there was a way to send this over to a stream PC that would make it next level!
Hi @TheFranswah Studio, thanks for the video! I thought to mention that I've played around with both Voicemeeter Potato and SteelSeries Sonar, and I believe there's a way to use both at the same time. The benefits of SteelSeries (equalizer, noise gate, and spatial audio) with the customizability / distribution of Voicemeeter Potato. I'm still playing around with it, though. It will be interesting to see if there are times the audio is being altered so much, it comes out bad. But right now, the setup I have is awesome!
Both are awesome as they are, though 👍
Sounds cool Caleb.. I think Sonar will end up making updates with more sources. Will be interesting to see how they do it
love the video! really good honest breakdown of the two. i like the humor of tossing away VM lol.
definitely NOT going to replace Voicemeeter with this.
Not for everybody
Voicemeeter is stupid better than sonar alone the more versions rhe cables the easier handeling the eq and the profi use like tf this
@@susandventing it looks easier to use for mac users I have a Mac I can’t use voice meter I only have the cable and idk what it’s for
@@okentrepreneur3777 the cable is a virtual I/O driver for streaming Audio between a software and another Audio Device. A cable. Virtually 😅
Now is better :D
An awesome video! Thank you very much for highlighting this. 😄👍👍
Cheers to you, my man! 🥃🥃
My pleasure!
Yep, not convinced, I enjoy voicemeeter complexity more, gives me more control over my stuff even if its not for dummies
It’s not the perfect alternative but it’s a start. I think devs will watch this video and start to understand what we actually want.
Voicemeeter has great midi support and multiple outputs ..
@@tonygardner4077 yes Tony you’re not wrong and I fully understand that.. but, VM also hasn’t changed at all in 4 years after consistently receiving feedback. There are better practices for a virtual mixer.. and I am hoping I can make a better app in time :)
Voicemeter took me 2hrs to set up 1st time then I had to re install windows and all settings got reset. Been putting it off for weeks this is a quicker option.
@@HighValueTargetRacing much quicker option if all you need is game and chat audio
Very promising program that’s only going to get better in time. Sound design directional emersion with stock eq sounds are great. VM is not user friendly but comes with a ton of control and tweaks when you get the hang of it. Not to mention the macros that you can do. Hope sonar and VM comes with an offspring to integrate the two together!
tried numerous kinds of software and this finally fixed my mic issues
Dude this video saved me from so much headache, thank you.
Hey man! Tks 4 sharing, it was very useful for me that use a low end mic.
Yes!! Got this with my SteelSeries Atics 9. Love it!!
Very good to know. Thanks for sharing this here 👏
You’re welcome Matthias
@@TheFranswahStudio As I am using Voicemeeter a lot, I think I will try your suggestion out.
We learn so much Herr on CZcams. It really is an information treasure box
I hit the like button! Thank you for your guide. I unfortunately learned Voicemeeter Banana first but this option looks way better for me as I totally wrekt my voicemeeter out of frustration
This app is for beginners, for those who don’t need every source, I don’t think I was misleading with pros and cons in this video
@@TheFranswahStudio Oh I know you weren't! I'm saying basically that I feel stupid for not knowing about this easier option sooner, that's nothing wrong with you or your videos! You're good lol
@@TheFranswahStudio I edited to reword it better too btw! ^ ^
Thanks! I use this now to cleanup my Mic Sound (internal Mac microphone) before it goes into MS Teams. I do the same for the output sound of MS Teams. For both I use the stock Voice Plugins (VP and VR) and a high pass filter at about 200Hz to finally save my ears of those boomy low frequencies. I wear Headphones and the basses war exhausting. Especially after a full day of calls. Also my own voice was muddy and boomy (bad acoustics in my room). That's all fixed now!
I don't stream, only game and teach. After watching your voicemeeter vids a thousand times...I'm making the switch after class..ggs thx bud!
Glad I could help!
I use a Korg nanoKontrol 2 midi controller to control what I hear (via the knobs) and what stream hears (via the sliders)
I didn't see anything mentioned about Sonar having midi controller support; so that, along with the big cons you mentioned are HUGE deal breakers for me on this app.
I appreciate that new apps in this realm are being developed, and I understand that it's only in early access - if they can bridge all the gaps then I'd gladly change as VMP has a vast assortment of quirks that can be maddening, like audio bugging out requiring a restart of the audio engine (which now makes me want to check if I can use one of the Korg's buttons to do this task).
The cons are pretty big deal breakers. Buuuut I’m hoping that certain apps take notice of the simplicity.
@ZeroKami Agreed. I do the same with an AKAI MPK Mini, using the knobs to control the decibal sliders and the pads as "Streamdeck" buttons that can do anything I want the computer to do between the MIDI input itself and a MIDI to Keyboard Shortcut program.
MIDI is a must, Patch Inserts to VST are a must.
Concerning your want for a restart of VMP from your Korg, in case you never looked into it - The Voicemeeter manual has a command for restarting the audio engine. (Command.Restart = 1). You can assign this to a macro button and then map the macro button to a MIDI key.
@@Sidkain I. Love. You. Omg XD
I just went to add that and saw that I already had it added - so I must've figured it out and then immediately forgot about it because I've yet to use it and stuck with manual resets FML
Still, love you ♥
@@ZeroKami86 Ya I use it with my MIDI as well. Voicemeeter doesn't play with computer sleep well a lot of the time, so I just have the button to restart everytime I wake my computer from sleep and when it screws up randomly.
"Before we get started, let's grab our voicemeeter, and throw it in the trash."
The getting started:
*VoiceMeeter input*
*VoiceMeeter aux input*
*VoiceMeeter aux output*
It does look like a great program, but it's not a VM killer or replacement. It's an EQ software that happens to have routing, not an actual audio mixer/router as VM is. Yes, if you're running a simple enough setup to be using base VM, this may be a viable replacement. But as soon as you step to Banana let alone Potato, it's apples to oranges. There's a LOT of people I'd recommend Sonar to over VM - but that's because VM would have been a compromise choice from the get go, not because this is a direct replacement. They're different programs for different applications.
Now, if a company wants to release a VoiceMeeter peer that natively accepts VST plugins? That would be a replacement I'd jump right on, even for a small cost
The main point of this video is to talk about a software that has the potential AND most importantly has the EASE of use that I have been talking about for years.. Voicemeeter is far to complicated for the average user.. it could be setup in a way that is much more simple.. and something will come of this. whether its this app or the next..
also thats just b-roll mate.. recorded prior to the recording of the video without my mic setup.. just used what i had.
Good video but was disappointed you didn't go over whether or not this would work with a 2 PC setup. Voice Meeter VBAN is a great feature to send/receive audio to other PC's within the same network, but it does have its quirks and increases the complexity for a multi PC setup.
Did you find out if this works a year later with a multi pc setup? Thanks.
Works amazing 10/10 thanks
Oh, thanks bro. I began to feel like I could build a spaceship with what I learnt using Voicemeeter, my god! This is way simpler.
Thank you very much for this video the fact that you can so easily choose raising the sound for you independently from the stream it's so intuitive and not uselessly complicated for people that are not into the audio stuff voicemeeter did a lot of apps but they're kind of all the same user interface have a good day thank you ;)
THANK YOU so much man watched your other banana video n it was great then I changed one thing and lost it all LMAO... so you saved me with this.
Cool! For something in between raw start and high end setup
if you're a loudness equalization user like me, this will disable it. It's a really good app if voicemeter is to much. I couldn't get the EQ anywhere close to how LE sounds unfortunately.
Question, I wonder if using a virtual cable as the output for the music source, added to Sonar, would it work that way? Or are you saying that it automates Game Volume, Chat Volume, and no way to make your own "Music Volume" source? Thanks in advanced and sorry for the possible redundancy.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MAN IVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH RTX VOICE THIS SAVED ME LIKED AND SUBBED
I honestly dont stream I just need something plug and play to tweak a couple of quirks with my mic and this is perfect for that
Thank you Franswah and SteelSeries!!!!
Thanks a lot !
Just set it up...perfect...so easy!
Great to hear!
Oh wow it's so amazing, I just install it and damn man it works like a hot knife on butter. Thanks for the video.
When any app add support for my inputs and outputs to run over ASIO like voicemeeter, I will consider switching.
ASIO bypasses windows mixer entirely, sure. But I am fine with that. My entire workflow is based off of ASIO anyways.
Also, windows has some weird latency it keeps piling on top of my IO, until I reboot the PC. If they fix that natively, anything will be a decent replacement too.
And yes, it is bad, I can literally see the latency offsets, if I'm not using an ASIO based output.
very informative! thank you bro
Ofc! You’re welcome
i tried that app, but i wasn't very happy with the EQ thing so i went and found voice meeter, and found ur video lmao. the main thing with the steel series i didn't like was that you couldn't switch between multiple profiles easily, i like that about my mouse software with the multiple profiles. that way when im wearing my earbuds for games and stuff i got 1 profile and when im casually listening to streams with my monitor speakers i can have a profile for that, the only thing with voice meeter is that i feel like the only option you need is the VM potato seems like the interface is better and easily more spread out on that version.
A Mic adjustment video for SteelSeries Sonar would be great to see.
Oh boy I need to try it later!!!
It’s all some people need
One feature that I wish more audio programs like these had is the ability to apply more than one VST Plugin. I like doing my own voice alteration, but it's almost always either "here, have these presets" or "okay, you can use ONE plugin, but that's it" when even at the minimum I usually need at least three.
Vst support is a necessity
Audio Repeater Pro has it.
well you can use carla as a VST host, or LightHost.
Cantabile?
@@garyrowe58I second that I use like 5 plugins and a keyboard vst at once
Thanks for the good video with great info. It looks like it has promise for the future.
I use IL Minihost Modular with VM and you can put on whatever free VSTs you want to adjust your sound once you set it up. I'm running an additional noise gate, real time noise removal, a de-esser, a compressor, very tiny bit of reverb to get some more naturalness back in the voice... etc... sadly I think I'm addicted to doing neat audio setups now and wouldn't want to go back to "one size fits all" type apps... but certainly they could have appeal for people that just want to jump in and record.
Going to keep an eye on this one, It has potential. Thanks for keeping us honestly informed.
You’re welcome Melvin
thank u for this my man, voicemeeter is a little too hard for me to use as a person who doesnt really know anything about computers or audio or what-have-you. very simple to use program and i dont have too many programs i want to reroute audio for so its perfect. very much thank you for the educational video!!
Thank you Sir
LOVE YOU!!! THANKS!!
the custom EQ has a critical problem where some apps effect default audio and stack recording audio and then you listen to exact same footage in editing software it sounds different
no one bothers to talk about it and its a common problem for small creators
Appreciate this
Honestly Steelseries knocked it out of the park with Sonar. now I only need one app for everything and the spatial audio is magical. for the first time i knew exactly where someone was in a game just by hearing them
if you wanted to, you could use something like virtual audio cable and create an audio driver per application and then use windows volume manager to set which applications output to that virtual output device. then in obs you just add an audio capture source for the virtual output device and Robert is your Cousin's dad. then you just do all your mixing inside of obs and optionally in the advanced audio panel, monitor the output of that source so that it comes through your speakers/headphones.
^^^
@@Grillordy because of your reply, I will update my answer - OBS now has direct application level audio capture which means that you can use window's volume manager you can send applications to an audio device you don't hear output from (either VAC or simply an audio output you don't have anything plugged into (like a digital out or speaker out you don't use if you have one available), and capture the audio from the individual applications individually and mix them in obs. if you want to monitor them, you can choose "output and monitor" from obs settings so you can hear them as well (and the monitor is at the END of the audio chain so you hear any and all filters you've applied as well as it will appear in the video/stream output.)
Your brain is way too big, im not reading that but appreciate the detailed contribution
10/10 Is so cool u earn a sub :)
Hope there will be competition in this!
me too
it is early access so maybe those functions will come in the future, either way its a really cool app.
bro this program is perfect. it's so much easier to use than voicemeeter and the noise cancelation is miles better. love it
thank you!
Legend. Solved everything for me
Thank you
Hi! GREAT VIDEO! Have tested using the AUTOEQ settings for your headphones In The SteelSeries Sonar app instead of Equalizer APO? do you think that would WORK? 🤔🤙🤓
does this have a programmable api? does it allow bridging into a DAW? or multiple submixes? if not it will never be as good imo.
im using sonar and its great.. but still need to make it change EQ according to what app is running and take it back to default once app is closed
I use both voicemeater potato and this software now and a few others voice mod and morphx along with krisp noise consolation software
Dual PC Communication and I am sold.
Does it allow multiple outputs like banana does?
I can't thank you enough my guy, I've been trying to use vst plugins on voicemeter for a while now and its just bad this app is so simple and easy with all the built in features I need I don't usually leave comments but I fucking love you for this 💗
I hope someone makes a plugin for touch portal
Hi great video, quick question could I use this to record the sounds coming out my daw to record audio threw my screen recorder Camista? Thanks in advance 😊
WOW No audio crackling, I love it
I love this, SO MUCH BETTER THAN VOICEMEETER. Thank you for showing us this!!!!
Is it better than Voicemeeter? Yes. Can I replace Voicemeeter with this? No. Not in it's current state. I often have two browsers open at the same time and need control over their volume. I also use Touch Portal and even though I don't touch VM while streaming very often. It's still nice to have that capability. I know it's early access but I was expecting more out of the gate.
do you know how to stop background noises on voice meeter or like close it without my volume or stop the echo pls reply if u do
The presets are really good, at least the footsteps, immersion and low boost. Especially good if you use a steel series headset and the incorporated mic
ty so much. before i used this my mic always captured my keyboard sound really loud. now its nearly not there tytytytytytyty
i have a steel series wireless arctics pro, so i guess this is the app i need. Voicemeeter makes my pc fps lagg at random moments, whilst i tried everything to fix it. thx!
So my friends want me to play music through my mic for them and it works, except I can’t hear the audio but they can. How do I fix that
I can't give up VM until Elgato or someone else makes a Voicemeeter that doesn't suck *AND* has MIDI support for audio channels. I got my Korg Nanokontrol2 set up to control all of my audio channels separately and it's the bees knees.
But can it output to 2 hardware devices at the same time ?
Liked and subscribed. 🤩
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Any chance this will work well for browser users in Discord or Stream yard for projecting the audio from like, just a separate music player or karaoke player in general? The one issue I have with Stream yard is that it only let's someone else in the stream hear the audio through a browser. And OBS is too resource intensive for some reason on my gaming laptop.
Thanks this is perfect.
You’re welcome
@@TheFranswahStudio The app is out of beta now and they added a couple of things and fixed a lot of bugs! I was happy yesterday when I found out and even happier now!
So it sounds like you CAN use virtual audio cables as a source, point a browser at that cable and presto right?
Your gear links in the description are broken. Can you check and update it?
Thank you
How do you make Spotify play through your mic tho too
can you use both apps at the same time?
think this is worth changing elgato wave link out to babana or sonar?
I am not even using the wave link sw but have it installed. havent taken my stream to that lvl yet
can you use this for playing music in games
so i am using voicemeeter and sonar in unison and it works perfectly giving me and my stream the perfect quality from both
I use an elgato wave mic and wave link but would love to be able to eq sound so I can hear footsteps better
VM has been acting very intrusive. I usually would wait the 30 seconds easy. Now it makes me wait 100 plus seconds til I can use it. Now if it pops up, I can't even alt+tab it away. I have to Win+D and re select the app I was using. Glad this exists.
just use a soundblaster G3 with SB command, simple but gives u good sound control and effects
can you still use voice mod at the same time while using this application also?
Nice video, but do I need to select my voicemeeter input and output for the setup or should I select my normal mic and speaker?
You don’t - it’s compatible with anything that works on windows
I would try it out except for I can’t use graphic EQ, I can only use parametric, because well if you think about it, graphic EQ doesn’t work too well for a blind person.
Wait you are blind? Very curious on how you wrote this comment.. and if you read this comment.. how are you reading it?
They added an extra place for media too but voicemeeter still has more functions.
Does this software account for multiple mics or is it optimized for only one mic?
Hi, can I combine both? because I have tried and I have everything configured correctly but, all the audios go through voicemeter and do not go through steelseries, help me please and thanks
can you use it with a midi device to change the volume for example?
Do you need steel series headphones for this
Why does Sonar app bug whole pc and makes it to 100% in processes after messing with settings?