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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
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Southgate's England have reached the EURO 2024 Final after a spectacular last minute goal from Ollie Watkins.
How would they be able to adapt their tactics against Luis de la Fuente's tactically astute Spain?
Joe Devine, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie have a think...
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These videos are the only content on all youtube that I will consistently watch every episode of. It's not quite as mad and fun as the original podcast was, but you still get to see the personality shining through in places, and obviously the insight is always top notch
Agreed!
Also your content is great too! I’ve loved your Avatar breakdowns especially
The mad and fun part of the original podcast was just its last stage. The 2018 World Cup era remains my favourite, quite similar to these videos from the last year, with a nice contrast between Joe and the slow and sometimes monosylabic input from Alex and a French (?) designer guy (Philippe?), and also the contrast with the background pub noise. Then they got themselves a tiny studio and the shows got extremely dry, mostly dialogues between a host and a guest because I don't think they had more room. I think that's when Seb joined. Jon has been doing something similar this last year on the pod feed. Then the pod got fun and then in the last year it got proper silly, which was wonderful. Stay tuned because a return has just been teased!
England’s best hope to beat Spain is fire ships and foul weather. Inspirational leadership from a ginger Royal wouldn’t hurt either.
Replace Southgate with Francis Drake!
Scottish I presume 😂
Spain pretty lucky vs France really if you look at the chances France had. England have big chance
Tbf he only lives in California so can make it for the pre-game
Spain won that war, they don't tell you that on class do they?
37:41 Lol, this stream makes me wish they revisit the hour-long pod format after the Euros
50+ min like this one might be the right balance between the weird tangents of old and the new tone after the rebrand
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@@benharmon7369
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The Sensible Transfers series is also long overdue. They ought to bring that back.
England is a moments team. And england is also picking the form.
No one has won 6 matches in row in euros history, spain did. But by the law of averages, there is a chance that final is their bad luck match.
But winning the euros from the group of death among italy and croatia and beating germany, france and england in final invincibly will be greatest euros run of all time
wouldn't call italy, croatia, albania the group of death but agree their run has been impressive
@@joee8278 Croatia won bronze in recent wc and Italy is the defending champion, it's easy to discredit them in hindsight because they won so easily
@@joee8278Nope. When the groups were drawn before the tournament, that was clearly the group of death. Sure as heck wasn't the one with Slovenia, Serbia and Denmark. 😄
Because of the ease of Spain winning the group, were dismissing how dangerous the group looked.
@@piyushsingh960It's easy to discredit in hindsight because when they faced other teams they won easily too e.g. Switzerland. Croatia couldn't even get to last 16 because they couldn't beat Albania. Both teams cannot be considered part of a group of death this year.
@@Iron-Bridge Nope. It was clearly Group D based on form going into tournament
To answer the question in the title...
We go 1-0 down, start trying, fail to score unless we get a pen, make some way too late late substitutions and then score a screamer or two in the dying minutes, because we actually have some of the best players in the world, despite them playing like Harrogate Town for the first 85 minutes of every match.
@@ALifeOfWine you missed the bit where Southgate eventually brings off two players that shouldn't have been anywhere near the starting lineup, then he gets all the credit for bringing on two players that should have been so obviously on from the very start.
Joe Devine! You are wonderful. Please go back to doing the tifo football podcast.
John McKenzie is okay, but you are a joy!
He's kind of cringe tbh, high on the smell of his own farts. Jay Jay is way more no nonsense.
Joe Devine that is.
Wait is this the Tifo podcast? How long have I not been watching, missing this?
They do this a little more irregularly (or at least with no pattern I can see) and the format is definitely more 'serious' than before. The analysis is still great, but the madness is a bit subdued. I really miss their post-match podcasts from the tournaments of yore...
@@senecauk8363 I'm just happy to hear their voices again for now.. I wish Alex was here though!
I do think Spain looked really poor in the second half against France, aside from two incredible goals I don't actually think they were that impressive. Anyway I hope I'm wrong and they beat England 😅
@@RenewedRSdo you mean Alex from "The different knock" ??
@@RenewedRSI’ll double your GP
Please give your studio designer a raise. The photos are brilliant !
Thanks Joe for bringing that energy to the videos always puts a smile on my face
I guys just need a weeekly thing best footy chat out there tbh
Even Van Bastan and Seedorf would have been proud with Kobbie Mainoo Amazing performance as a teenager against the Dutch what a special teenager England have📣
why specifically van basten and seedorf, i get that they are dutch and greats but why specifcally them. One of them dont even play midfield
@@duyanhng8430 its derived from a nickname people give kobbie - "stockport seedorf".
The Dutch are so proud of Englands ‘performance’ yes 👏
And in all the modern football bullshit, a young kid from my home town, coached by a guy I know, is starring for my team and country. It’s the best feeling and so inspiring for my son
@@nicksims2827 happy to hear that! Brings a beautiful different perspective, all the best to your family
Very, very well articulated argument for Southgate by the host here. Exactly what I've been thinking but haven't put it as well.
Spain can be frustrating when their manager will make changes and sit back when they have the momentum. Against England I think that could really hurt them
My fear is the complacency that might creep in if Spain have a slender lead. Or Unai Simon, who to me looks shaky, passing the ball to an England player or some clanker.
If Spain get a goal or two and sit back England are really gonna struggle. Every other team we’ve played except Netherlands has sat back and we’ve been horrendous at breaking them down. We might get a goal eventually from a moment from a player but it’s not a secure method
haha criticising Spain for slowing down the tempo after scoring when that's exactly what Southgate does every time but unlike Spain, his team completely fails to control possession and just invites pressure.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere ok, what’s your point? I’m talking about Spain, I don’t care about England
@@Redonepunch because you've criticised de la Fuente for something that Southgate is far more guilty of. Next you'll be suggesting Morata is too slow and absolute garbage.. like Harry Kane isn't even worse
It is going to be game of his life for kobbie mainoo and Rice , if they have a good game than England will have a good game.
Southgate hasn't been able to figure out how to best make use of all the talent available in the squad. England has so much talent that they should be the ones imposing the style of play on opponents. Not the other way around. I think that is what frustrates England supporters.
But it's an uneven distribution of talent, which is why your expectations are invalid ones.
@@bonglesnodkins329but thats true of every international team. There are no great teams. Spain is very flawed at the back. But England are less flawed than most, so when they struggle to beat the 45th ranked team there should be criticisms. Netherlands were the 1st top 10 team they've beat in the 8 years Southgate has been the manager. That's bad. Teams ranked in the 20s can manage that.
The advantage I feel that England have is a little bit of experience in our players, a bit more aggression and strength. And we might be a bit more flexible, we've made quite a few tactical changes over the tournament, we've also seen Spain play at their best and we can hopefully learn from that whereas I feel like England haven't yet so Spain may not know what we are going to do. If we can go up another level I think we could challenge them. If not, then it might be a disappointing final.
Spain beat Germany with far more experienced players than England.
Yeah good summary of our strengths and good point on us having another gear they haven’t seen
23:49 Adam Cleary from 4-4-2 posted his analysis on that semifinal showing that it is too beacause of Kane that England doesn't play in behind. Maybe it isn't just that, but mainly so, especially against Netherlands.
I always ask ‘If not Southgate, then who?’
Nobody has a good answer who sounds better than Southgate staying.
I'm sure the Netherlands OOP helped England, but England also improved something significant which was training Mainoo more and passing to him on half turn a lot more.
everyone, me included has bren crying out for England to play a high press, but when we tried that the Dutch easily played around us and turned defence into attack, so maybe this is why Southgate has chosen to not play a high pressing style
This time don’t count on the ref to safe you from loosing the high press, innit
This England team are almost the ultimate justification for the Proper Football Man’s ‘tactics don’t win games’ xG’s a load of bollocks etc
Their tactics extend to being solid, cautious, and hard to beat and their natural conservatism allows them to deal with most systems adequately well. They don’t really adjust or exploit the opposition, they just squash them. They then have 10? players across the squad that can make a line-breaking, game-changing moment and that’s seen them through
Please name this for the love of everything. Its so hard to find videos
Mainoo was arguably England's best player with his ability to dispossess the Dutch. Time after time he came from nowhere and stole the ball and I can't remember him giving it away either. If he can do that against the Spanish who move the ball around much quicker, then England have a great chance!
Facts
1 minute in and already wildly off topic. That's what makes this the best football content on CZcams.
Spot on with your analysis of Rice and Foden. Thank goodness Mainoo has been more positive and less risk-averse. But both need to step up against Spain if England are to have any chance.
If its not 3:0 for Spain at half time, England will win it.
So Spain will win 4-1...
That didn't age well...
i think they will probably need to score more goals than Spain, but thats just my best guess.
Keep the game tight, defend well, nullify their main threats and don't give the ball away cheaply like what Rice did for Xavi last night.
Then the match will rely on a moment of magic... an England hero in the making... Bellingham did it v Slovakia, Saka did it v Switzerland and Watkins stepped up last night... maybe it's Foden's time to shine!
That was so unlike Rice. I'm glad it didn't cost us bc that would have been so unfair for him to cost us the match when he's always been a solid work horse for us.
My guy says if you remember back to when England were bad and im thinking in my head what you mean in there last match lol 😊
Ah too bad i missed the live stream, but im sure its great. Looking forward to see what you guys think about spains setup without pedri
ROOOOOOOONEYYYYYYY
Careful Djokovic will think you’re booing him.
@@badabing8884 I boo him every time I hear or see his name
JJ said Spain take lots of risks but apparently the only way eay you can get at them is a hopeful long ball? Doesn't make sense, what risks are they taking exactly?
Ultimately it will come down to who can control the midfield. Playing the box midfield and outnumbering Spain there will be key. Plus, of course whether they have the energy to sustain it and Southgate bringing on the subs when they start to flag.
Start Shaw and give him 60 mins, then bring on Gordon as a left wing back to replace him. No point playing Trippier, especially if he’s not fit.
30:00 just a quick correction: the english national team is NOT likeable to outsiders.
Comedy gold at 51:18. Kane v Spain is going to mainly stay on this plane.
Kine vs Spine stise minely on that line....
Shout out to the dude in the turquoise shirt who noticed that Fabian Ruiz has been the player of the tournament thus far.
The Athletic podcast I've been waiting for at this euros
As if this lot didn’t even mention how good Mainoo’s been since he came into the squad 😒
Ma bawz hurt fae watching this
I'd like to know how much influence our Dutch coach Hasselbaink had on our preparations in dealing with Nederlands tactics. We played like we'd read their tactics pre game and judging by how bad we've been in every other game, I can't imagine that performance was based off of Southgates tactics alone
10:18 ff. thanks for clarifying it’s a relief! ;))
Like everybody watching this I would like to ask John McKenzie where he got that jumper.
England are going to win. Absolutely believe it in spite of how strong Spain have been. England are playing as a team, working hard and whilst performances haven’t been pretty, there’s a never say die attitude and resolute belief. It is coming home.
Sir Francis Drake in defense
These lot didn’t even talk about Maino 🤦🏾♂️
you're all brilliant man this is peak football content
King of the Goblins Jon McKenzie!
Southgate was asked about the tactics then broke it down perfectly. Why are you guy’s tryna downplay his contribution there
Absolutely miraculous that the lads talked about the game for an entire hour and didn't mention Harry's dive once!
If Southgate found out over the tournament that Foden suits being in the middle, why arent we trying Bellingham deeper, arguably where he’s most comfortable? I’d rather see Foden Palmer AND Saka together, Bellingham and Mainoo behind
So you would drop Rice? Having Bellingham and Mainoo in CM would leave us too open i think, Mainoo is good at interceptions, but he's not really a DM, like Rice he's more of a hybrid 6/8. Against lesser teams it might work, but not against the best teams.
and that still doesn't solve who's on the left, none of them want to be there. Unless u want 4 cms and shaw/Tripz as wb. Agree Palmer deserves a start the whole tourny but it's not 13 a side sadly ;)
They don't?
Precisely
Southgate can keep getting away with it
Basically to win against Spain, we need england to be riskier and let Foden have the keys
kobe mainoo bossing the midfield has been the difference.
Some real mental gymnastics in this video to avoid giving Southgate any credit
which bits you referring to?
Anybody on Spain’s half of the bracket would make the final with England’s route. England wouldn’t even be in semis if they were in the other half
@@randalljr17 why are you telling me this? Lol
what mental gymnastics specifically? everything they said in this video is as far as I see correct
Yeah, well i'm sure he's taking solace in his 40 million salary over 8 years for 3 months a year work based on having zero education, no management skill and playing 90% of his games against Lapland's 3rd XI. Poor hard done by Southgate.
Starts at 4:00
Thank you!!
This is so freaking detailed and interesting
England will win if Rice makes more passes to Mainoo. The kid can progress the ball better than anyone in the team. But, Mainoo also needs to be a bit more mobile and run more.
Eh? Mainoo and Foden are the only ones moving near constantly. They're on a different level to everyone else.
@@matthewdobson100 Well I could be wrong, but that's the impression I got from the matches I watched. It was fairly evident in the 2nd half vs Netherlands
Lol, Props to Jon for the My Fair Lady reference.
JJ Bull the Bullard😊
I need this trio, and Seb as a special guest, to get picked up by a bigger media outlet that'll bring more eyes to their show. The tifo boys are the PREMIER, ELITE, holistically enjoyable ensemble of personalities in the entirety of football CZcams and football shows wholesale. I have soft spots for Football Daily and Totally Football Show -- but rn no one can compare to these guys
The players continually come out in interviews after games and between them making comments about how the England squad is tight-knit and that the culture is helping them manage the intangibles. They seem to value that aspect of Southgate’s management and therefore play harder for him, despite the tactical issues that England have experienced. Without trashing his tactics, Southgate’s influence on the game against the Netherlands only came when he put on Watkins and Palmer. England’s success in the first half was good players exploiting a poor decision pre-game by Koeman, which was solved in the second half, again by changes Koeman made. The relative passivity is frustrating to watch.
Mainoo has many of Fodens traits
My wife and I join all our family in wishing you the warmest congratulations on reaching the final of the U.E.F.A. European Championship - and in sending our very best wishes for Sunday’s match.
If I may encourage you to secure victory before the need for any last minute wonder-goals or another penalties drama, I am sure the stresses on the nation’s collective heart rate and blood pressure would be greatly alleviated!
Good luck, England.
Charles R
Spain plays like City while progressing ball forward even faster while England has been Hammers at best. Which means England may stand a chance.
Really think England should go with a 3-4-1-2 with Guehi,Stones,Walker,Shaw,Kobbie,Rice,Saka,Foden,Kane and Watkins..really need someone on that left hand side who will be a goal threat and can still work that channel,Bellingham is a very good player but really think he can be brought in later because it is either he plays or Foden players or he plays and Rice misses out.
Ill always remember how rubbish we played. We were made to look good by the dutch and nothing more. I remember how rubbish we were in the last euros and world Cup.
“England don’t really create anything in open play”
Is that true after the Holland game, & the chances created as well as the 1st half v Swiss?
I don’t think it is. We might not be as good as Spain at creating but we’ve shown we can, with the right formation/ players
But that highlights the problem with Southgate. The back 3 has helped and they were really good int he 1st half. Then he went back to safety 1st, switched to a 4 and it wasn't effective.
@@russellward4624 to my knowledge it remained a back 3 / 5 on or off ball depending
xG is not an "underlying" number. It's an OUTPUT number, which considers a number of events and specifics to produce a result.
(It also ignores a whole bunch of context, which makes it inherently useless, especially in a one-off match, but that's a different complaint)
Joe is like if Boris Johnson took an Ayahuasca retreat and fully healed his soul and became a bloody good bloke.
Fans yelling X manager out is no different to the attitude people have to club managers too. It points to a broader issue with how people support clubs and wish their manager was Guardiola winning almost every game. Is it worth discussing that managers like Guardiola are the exception not the mean and we all need to come to terms with that and stop the rollercoaster changes of managers?
Nederlands was the 1st top 10 win in 8 years.
Jon getting fustrated in this one but I'm here for his analysis so please keep it up. And the banter of course, love the banter
tha backdrop in this studio is horrifying to the eye. producers plz
Tifo IRL returns ❤
The holt trinity of informative, interesting, and amusing, football talk. Hoorah, Hoorah, Hoorah.
England must win at any cost. 💯 ..unless there is problem in football.. community!! 💪💪💪
As a man named Patrick, can anyone tell me what that shirt is about?
damn, you dont' hear modicum used enough.
The Spanish Armada is coming and this one is unsinkable. Spain 3-1
A small Manta Ray is a Nebula Ray, a bit like a Nebula compared to a Galaxy, which is fitting for a Galactico - centric team, or is that England?
The real question is how do England try to cover up their own weaknesses.
England needs the right game state to win. If they score first in the first half they will not win.
They need to keep it tight and then nick a goal last 10 minutes.
Now compare that with my boy tenhag which got 2 trophies in 3 seasons and tell me why they dint like him so much.
Would love to know what your opinion is about the VAR penalty call vs. NED ?
In my youth, a foul after the ball has gone would be an indirect free kick inside the box but i don't think indirect kicks are given anymore and there is a gap in the law here because Kane shot before being fouled and was not a penalty.
A disgraceful decision
@@JockCampbell4678penalty or not that was a terrible tackle
Every goal Spain have conceded in this competition has been from a cross, so that’s the answer
Man said Hello😗😂😂😂
I think the best advantage spain got is that they have faced so much tougher teams up until the finals whereas england got put up against mediocre teams so in that respect spain has a greater momentum as compared to england
27:27 profound!
Englands fans are frustrated that Kane isn't running the channels and seeking headers and I get that... but having him drop deep and become and extra midfielder to compete with Spain's tiki taka midfield makes sense. As a midfielder Kane is one of the best in the world!
Thank you Ref for feeding us England to the wolves
TBH, if it looks that way, I'll probably die laughing 😂
That's an interesting way to mask your bitterness that England have got to the final.
How on earth have those bizarre expected goals values been calculated?
Lots of historic data based on things that actually happened in real life, and extremely intelligent computers with modelling systems
I wonder how Ben White is feeling?
Probably great, I doubt he cares
@@JurgenFlop I think he'll be delighted with England making the final as a fan and for his arsenal teammates and if he has any other friends in the squad. This notion that he doesn't care about England is rubbish.
Trent time
England 1 tittle in 60yrs, a WC win in 1966, and zero euros, while spain have won 3 euros and 1 WC. De la fuente has done a great job with this spainish team, spain have been the best team, played the best football and have played more stronger, and better teams and beaten them, they are a technical team with quality football that also also have the best players in this tournament lamine, nico, olmo,, fabian, and rodri, while england have been horrible, their overhype stars have failed to live up to the hype, they have played and struggled to beat smaller football nations. Spain is the strongest and best team england will play in this tournament.
Tittle 😂
ok, now how do Spain beat England?
Turn up?
Basically not f*ck up, give England some respect and don't be complacent until the final whistle.
@@Iron-Bridge I agree
By cheating as usual. How else? Clearly Spain are superior as a country and as a football nation so if its a fair game, Spain would win 6-0 every time. Have to make it an unfair game.
They're going to do what all Latin sides do. Roll around like they've been shot, lie, cheat, and weasel their way through. It's part of their footballing culture the same way losing honourably is for England
It's coming home!!
Yes it went to Madrid thank you.
Why is the whole internet completely over estimating Spain? They are a good team, the same as can be said for so many others. It will be a very close and tight game. Could go either way.
Considering Cucurela will be up against Saka and Foden, and Olmo will have to go through Rice
Not sure if detail helps now. To win, England improve in most departments and stay where they are in the other depts. Let’s not be too specific! Average England loses 2-0 or worse. Above average England goes down by the odd goal or goes to ET and/or pens and hide behind the sofa. England on a higher plane wins this unless Spain have still more gears. I don’t actually think they do, I think we’ve already seen their best selves. That’s no bad thing for England. They’re going to be concentrating entirely on playing their football, and not getting into England’s football. England will play any game that they find themselves in. I have no idea who comes out on top but it’s definitely not a Spain walkover.
England have incrementally improved. Mainoo dominated Rodri in the FA Cup final. I think England will do it either 2-1 or 2-2 and then win on pens.
Hope and Glory. The best for last, or the Sandman's MO and last minute wonder strike ? How many get of of Jail free cards, do bankers football have ? Roy of the Rovers only works, if one goal in it . 3 played already and still the first game that looked like a team performance ,in the last 6 games. Pear shaped too many times to be overly confident ,but the manager will get the plaudits, just for getting this far in my lifetime , a first.
We could do a lot worse than put Toney up front and hoof it to him , then pick up the pieces and play from there. If we take on Spain by trying to play triangles and one twos then we will lose. Spain are just way better at it.
He's the guy with arrow upon his head 😭😭😭😭