Peter Windsor: Why Max Verstappen is FASTER than Prime Sebastian Vettel?
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Peter Windsor: Why Max Verstappen is FASTER than Prime Sebastian Vettel?
Peter Windsor explains why Max Verstappen is faster than Sebastian Vettel in his prime, a story about Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel, asks why F1 drivers don't pay enough attention to each other's racing lines on track.
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Seb needed a stable rear end to have confidence in the car while Max likes a loose rear end. Just by that comparison Max is faster. You gain easier turn ins and better front tire life with a loose rear
Great insight Parke. Very well put
More like Max likes a very "pointy" front and deals, if necessary, with the loose end. He doesn't like a loose end, but it's more the consequence of he choice for the pointy front.
Max drives the car as fast as it can be driven. Thatâs what anyone whoâs worked with him has said. His preference maybe for a looser rear because thatâs objectively how the fastest cars are but he can drive pretty much anything on the limit. Most drivers including seb need a car they like to be spectacular. This is what makes Max a once in a generation talent
@@abingdonboy That is why he is on the limit quicker than anyone straight out of the box and probably why his out laps are just from another planet.
Switching to a "cold" different compound just gives such different handeling characteristics but often his out laps are 1-2 seconds faster than any other driver on the same compound.
@@likilikiki yeah definitely thatâs one of Maxâs strengths that has been noted by his team and other drivers. From the first lap in FP1 he is on the limit whilst most others build up to that throughout the weekend. Itâs a unique trait of his that shows the extra capacity he has compared to almost all other drivers on the grid. Like I said, Max is something very special and perhaps like no talent the F1 grid has ever seen before
Max is obviously better. In terms of pure talent, Max is in a category with Lewis, Fernando, Senna, maybe Michael Schumacher
Maybeeeee Leclerc
Ouf. When all is said and done, I think he'll be in the conversation for sure. But not just yet.... maybe?
@@CameronF1. Max already 1 win behind Alonso. Max is 24, Alonso is 41. He's in the conversation right now.
If you put him in a Williams he would not be winning so it about the car not the driver
@@lloydgeorge8799 What if you put Lewis in a Williams? What a dumb comment. He's not even winning in a Mercedes...
Vettel won 3 races in 2015 in a season of Merc dominance and he won them not through luck but on merit. He was mega that season. And for awhile in 2018 I was convinced he was on course for his 5th (even after Germany), then he dropped it in Monza and itâs been downhill ever since.
Great insight nothingIjnow as always. Can't disagree with anything you've said there
Peter mentions Singapore has the most less vettel corners and by that reason he should struggle the most of the top drivers, yet Singapore is one of his best tracks and where he has won more races than anyone else.
To be honest, with that high-downforce Red Bull he only really needed to beat Webber.
@@thedutchexposer He won twice with Ferrari
Shouldn't Singapore suit Vettel's style the most? It's a street track so most of the corners are short and tight, so shouldn't Vettel's approach of late-braking where he loads up the front for a quick turn in and V racing line suit the short corners of Singapore the most?
I see drivers stop at Max's car and stare it down, hoping to find some smoking gun, not realizing the real reason is under Max's balaclava.
I dunno if that's true, but so brilliantly worded I'm liable to agree with ya! đ€Łđ±
@@CameronF1. my comment was 'tongue in cheek', but I'm sure they are looking for something, and I would do the same.
I mean has modern F1 ever seen anything like Maxâs Spa performance in 2022? He was seconds faster than any other driver on the grid , easily the fastest driver in all 3 sectors which is unheard of given the compromise you need to make in setup between sector 1+3 and 2. His teammate in the same car admitted he just couldnât do wait Max was able to do at that circuit. That has to be one of the most dominant spectacles witnessed in F1 in modern times
@@abingdonboy IMO, Max is the greatest of all time.
@@abingdonboy After Hungary and Spa, I came to realize that it is far more fun to watch Max start from the back and see him carve up the rest of the field like a hot knife thru butter. Starting Pole means nothing to a driver like Max.
Seb was master of Blown Diffusers. No one has master their car like Seb did in that era. Every champions are great in their own era but MSC is different he literally build a team from scratch by bringing in his own trusted people to Ferrari and win 5 times with them. Max is current great Driver so this is his Era now after him there will be someone else will be more faster than him. This will keep going so no one can be compared in my humble opinion.
Fernando was the greater driver during the 2010-2013 period. His car was 3rd fastest at best in that time, and arguably worse Lotus in 2012, and yet he took the title contention to the final race of the season twice. His performances were like Gilles Villeneuve in 1981, who won two races with a genuinely horrible car. Vettel certainly didn't choke during these 4 years and secured the title each year, which is something that not every driver could do, but he wasn't superior to Fernando at any point.
To call vettel an average Driver after all he's accomplished and the records he set, some of which still stands today, is utterly ridiculous by Peter. Have max or lewis even won a championship in a lesser car? It's sad when supposedly F1 Commentators show clear bias as peter does. With that being said, good and insightful video.
Max has won plenty of races in the second or third fastest car including his very first ever F1 race. Arguably over the course of 2021 the Rb16 was also slower than the W12 (as reflected in the WCC standings)
@@abingdonboy lol.. slower in 2021? ,,đ€Łđ€Ł
@@BruceLee-ky7qz certainly in the second half of the year
@@TedMan55 True, but to win the championship a needs a car with an advantage over the field or one equally as good consistently.
@@BruceLee-ky7qz Yep. Slower from Silverstone onwards and starting Brasil the Mercedes was in another league again.
"Drivers don't look at data from other drivers" and yet that is what Vettel does, I think most of all current drivers. He's the one looking at other cars and observing other drivers (remember Parabolica in Monza when he retired?)
Always fascinating to hear Peter talk F1. It's strangely captivating đ€€
Seb definitely the outlier in that sense.
Peter is so engaging it's ridiculous right?
Disagree Totally with the statement the drivers don't look at other drivers data. Believe me they look at anything they or team can get their hands on - if they're any good
Kimi RÀikkönen rarely did.
Max would beat every current racer in their prime. You just felt it when he came into f1 he was something else. Different gravy
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@@shakmarriott4820 nonsense...he can't even beat leclerc in the same car
@@eglanflavien7753 can you explain your claim?
I'm sorry but Peter's analysis is quite pseudoscientific. He says Vettel needs a strong back-end, otherwise he would have a lot of understeer. What? A back-end that overpowers the front-end is the exact reason for understeer. Also, turning while still braking is called trail-braking and every driver does it. Some drivers prioritse entry more and some prioritse the exit more but the differences between the drivers in F1 is far smaller than people make it out to be.
I think he is referring to the fact that he needs a car who is naturally stable at the rear. You can make it rear stable with setup changes but it will create understeer.
@@folkert2938 What Peter said there is mostly total BS.
Vettel needs the car with a stable rear axle on the entry, in the first phase of the braking/cornering phase. Of course what @98MTBiker said is true- all F1 driver trail brake, all without single exception.
Vettel brakes extremely hard and late, when the rear moving under him he can't turn as early as needed and loses time. You can't find numerous video footages from his RB days showing that.
Vettel can't deal with the car oversteery under braking/first phase of the corner. He hates understeery (in general) cars, he prefers cars with a loosy rear midcorner/2nd phase to get a faster rotation and straighten the car as fast as possible. Vettel is well-known as a master of rotation. He indeed rotates the car beautifully and extremely efficient with the throttle and steering in the 2nd phase to get a faster exit and win lap time on the straight. This is his style, this is why he is so fast and so good in the wet for example, and has always been from day 1 of his career. He humiliated Peter's fav Leclerc on the wet track basically every session. Because he natural V-style works a lot better in slippery, low grip condition
If you watched Peter for a long time you would know that he hates Vettel, every time he does good he will find the way to diminish it, it was luck, or someone else failed etc. etc..... if I remember correctly when Vettel was moving to Ferrari Peter was talking about how Kimi was gona be faster...
And Hamilton would give Button no chance, be 0.3 ahead of Rosberg, destroy replacement driver Bottas and teach Russell. At least that's the narrative of British pundits, not Windsor specifically. Vettel was simply doing a better job than Hamilton while the British were desperate for consolation after another German driver became the best ever. So they got mad at Vettel. So when Vettel drove 2 seconds a lap faster than Kimi at Monaco, it was team strategy that got him the win. Petty but toxic chauvinsim.
The disrespect for foreign drivers and Germans especially is everywhere. It took 3 WDC 's before they started wondering whether his name was actually Vettle or Vettelle. Verstappen is not called Verschtappen either, but it sounds kind of foreign (German actually). This is not beyond the British to pronounce it right, the sounds of a correct pronounciation exist in English too, this is not about getting close to pronouncing sounds that are not in your own language, this is a disrespectful indifference.
I actually stumbled on this video because I stopped watching Windsor, as he's only using his knowledge and insight in racing, that he obviously has, to make his sad, petty, toxic chauvinism a bit more interesting.
Haha, I've noticed he doesn't like Carlos Sainz eitherđ€Ł
â@Lynott Parris Do you know what's the difference between ignorant fanboys, biased pundits and wannabe experts like you and Peter Windsor? Peter actually knows what he's talking about...
Beautiful feedback! Thanks for this Campo and Peter!
Don't think Seb gets enough respect. Too much recency bias here. When Seb was in his prime he was unstoppable and now as a 4X champion he's worse than Max.
Defo agree with the receny bias. Although I also agree with Peter! đ±
@@CameronF1. same can be said about Lewis and Max. I guess Lewis will only get the respect he deserves when he unfortunately retires. For what he has done on and off the track, in my eyes, he's leagues ahead of the rest.
Love the passion of this Channel, you got Peter right where we want him! Thanksđ
Thanks for bringing us this great content. Few places on CZcams have these insights on DRIVING, and it's so interesting.
I appreciate your saying they Elliot đđŸ
Thanks for brining on Peter for his great insights đđ
He's the broadcasting GOAT right? Love that guy.
Jimmy Clark was a master of the early turn in and would start his breaking when others had stopped braking. His brake pads would last 3 or 4 races and Peter Windsor needs to do a breakdown of Jimmy.
Wow! I love this insight LDT. I'll mention it to Peter the next time we catch up
Not just his brake pads, even his tyres would last 4-5 races long.
What a joy to see Cameron basking in the wisdom of Peter here, very wholesome
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He's the guy, is Peter. I always get a bit giddy listening to him.
Excellent discussion. Dude really knows what he is talking about on this specific (and likely many more) subject. My sons have a virtual F1 sim setup on their gaming PCâs and have experienced this exact situation. However, unlike real racing, they donât have direct competitors to watch and compare different approaches or techniques with. Which is fine because they have to figure it out for themselves, which I admit can be very entertaining to watch, heh heh⊠the old man comes in every once and again to put the smack down on their little racing egos and bring them a little dose of reality when necessary. đ Thanks for posting and still am pulling for your addition to the F1 broadcast team. It would be a welcome improvement in my honest opinion. đđ» Cheers from NorCal - E
Ah Eric! Thank you for the kind words sir. I can't wait to destroy my young man over one lap when he's ready! đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Especially at Silverstone. He's got no chance. đ±
Peter Windsor: needs to show a visual explanation of his driving philosophy / comparison
I have a video on short corners v tight lines
Love your face, you look very happy when Peter talks, keep up the good work!
Peter is a hero. He explains difficult things in such a way that even ânon racersâ bult life long F1 followers understand it. Greatful for that.
He is the fastest guy on the track , not just prime vettel
He might well be. TBC. Next year if Merc can build a car
nope. max is the kimi of his time...and look where kimi is rated
Cameron. You are one of my new favorite formula one channels. And I am subscribed to dozens of them. Nothing but respect my guy.
Thank you Polish Eddie. You know, I knew I recognised the name when I heard the question read out on beyond the Grid latest episode! That's brilliant. There's no way there can be 2 polish eddies surely? đ±
@@CameronF1. You have no idea how surprised I was! I was finishing up cleaning after breakfast this morning listening to Beyond The Grid when I heard the shout out at the end. I am actually way more surprised at the fact that you heard the name and remembered it and responded to this comment!đ€đ
Max is next level! 15 wins...........INSANE! Lewis only managed 11 with a faster car compared to the others on the grid. Consider that.....
Fair play mate. Arguably a more competitive team mate though? Nuance to it right?
@@CameronF1. Fully agree that Rosberg is on a much higher level than Perez. It's 4 wins more though, not like it was 1 or 2. Considering he would have won most likely in Singapore and maybe even Britain had it not been for car damage( that had nothing to do with him), or lack of gas error.......that is pretty damn crazy. I have been watching F1 for 30 years, unlike these Netflix Max fans, i have a HUGE amount of respect for Lewis. He was Jordan. A Lebron comes along in every sport. It's just Max's time thats all. There is a 10 year old carting somewhere that will take max's shine soon enough.....lol
5:14. Did Peter Windsor really suggest that Sebastian Vettel does not know how he approaches a corner and which corners suit his style? I mean. Really?
I mean did he ever liked seb?
Mark Donohue detailed this technique, called it "Trail Breaking". Involves the "circle of traction" theory.
What Peter is explaining is the reason Lewis has complained so much about his car this year. To execute this said skill of braking you need a stable car, if the car is unstable then you cannot apply this technique because you are too busy concentrating on not being thrown off the track. Peter constantly has said that Lewis Max and Charles are the top 3 elite drivers in F1. This factor is one of the main reason George and Lewis are so close this year. Once Merc gets this sorted, then you will see Lewis, Max, and Charles battling it out at the front again. This is also why Perez cannot keep up with Max this year.
Fantastic insight sir. And this is why I'm waiting so keenly for Merc to build a car worthy of a rematch of 2021 đđŸđ
@@CameronF1.Absolutely, that's what we want to see, and if Charles or anyone else want's to get involved then that would be epic! If Hamilton is to have any chance at an 8th Title, then they need to give him this car next year⊠Ferrari have royalty shafted (excuse the French) Charles Leclerc this year, whilst Red Bull have absolutely smashed it out of the park! The racing has been better this year, but I think Max could be World Champion again within the next 3 races, depending on what the others do.
There's always an explanation for Hamilton, what's the explanation Bottas got as much poles as Hamilton last season in a car that was equal to Verstappen's?
@@DenUitvreter Hamilton got 5 poles and Bottas got 4, but Bottas finished 161.5 points behind Hamilton in the same car. And Lewis technically should be last year's world champion beating Verstappen, we all saw the meddling of the officials to make sure that did not happen. That would have made him x8 World champion. If his car did not break down in the last race in 2007 he would have could have been x9 World champion. Bear in mind he has beaten 3 world champions in the same car, all things being equal. Look, he does not need anyone to make excuses for him, just give him a good predictable car and, as always, he will do his talking on the track.
â@@SIFWD1 He was beaten by Rosberg, a driver predicted to be 3 tenths behind him by the British pundits, and you somehow make that into an argument for Hamilton. If you don't understand how ridiculous of an argument that is your blinded by toxic chauvinism.
He was beaten by Button, Rosberg and Russell, that does not happen to greats. Being in the best team and the fastest or at least a very competitive car for 13 years has also never happened to any driver. He's good, he was up there with Vettel and Alonso, but the rest takes a creativity and a lack of respect for foreign drivers only the British can do.
I canât understand why people care what he thinks he is so bias on Lewis
Real drivers know the fastest in the wet is the best and max is the best at that
Good shout.
Better than Lewis though?
@@CameronF1. listen lad, there is a podcast I think the official f1 podcast they had on a strategist lady and she was shooting out facts about the drivers backed up by data of course and she was saying max is the best in wet , lewis for example was apparently best at the pit entry and getting around blue flags
Awesome content
Thank you BeeTB1. đđŸ
Faster than anybody, sharp steering, creativity with takeovers and dare to takeover where others are afraid of losing the car!
I think the deeply analytical Vettel knows the difference of driving styles. Strange assumption that he does not. I think yesterday Mr Sullivan was much more on the nose (Rbr as disruptor)
It's a good take Ad đđŸ
This is the beauty of the F1 barbershop talk right? We aren't all gonna be of the same opinion
Iâm gonna take that with a grain of salt. F1 commentators rate guys like Ricciardo so high yet being completely rubbish and hasnât achieved anything. Peter never liked Vettel anyway.
I've been think, whenever it comes to sports specially F1 why can't we just praise drivers for thier achievements and what they have done in our sports instead of comparing them to other drivers. If all drivers had the same driving style it would make complete scence to compare them, but comparing drivers with how they are braking or rotating the car, GOODNESS WHATS HAPPENED TO F1
Jesus what got you so worked up?
I hear you. But it makes for great barbershop talk right? đ
Max will possibly end up as one of the most successful & greatest drivers in the history of F1 imho.
Respect to Seb obviously for what he's done for the sport also & Max is a great Seb successor for Red Bull to have. đ
Absolutely J. S.P. you're right. Seb was ridiculous in his prime. Think he might have made more of a fight of it with Max than most people think đ€
@@CameronF1. It's also "scary" that Max is only 1 win behind Fernando Alonso & he's like only 24-25 years old.
Max doesn't care about records. I expect Max to leave F1 in a few years and go for other racing classes. Le Mans or Dakar for instance.
Peter could have just said "Max trail brakes better."
Peter Windsor is a very smart man and I remember him from the old F1 broadcasts back in the day.
The problem I have here is he's talking about corners and turns etc and it really would be helpful to have some graphics to illustrate what he means ;e.g., like Driver61 does). I know it's more work, but it would be far better.
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I have a video on short corners vs tight lines
The best inside information (Windsor).
Exactly this sun dancer đđŸ
Max at the right time will only be compared to Schumi.. Even Martin Brundle in this commentary keeps saying Michael Schumacheresque quick laps.. why is there no Hamiltonesque quick laps? And remember Martin is the strongest critique of Michael aside from Johnny Herbert and both were Schumis teammates.
When it is about speed you compare with Schumacher. Nobody else.
"nobody else" are you really gonna disrespect Ayrton like that?
I donât think any driver in history is synonymous with speed the way Senna was! He drove in a different realm with such regularity, it looked unreal!
@@jeffstar645 Prost was a better driver than Senna. He didn't have as many poles, but he had more wins. Unfortunately for Prost, the point system at the time lost him the 1988 season, even though he had more points. The same can't be said for Max or Schumacher, who were dominant forces.
I just discovered you Cameron and I am enjoying your videos. You have a Great voice! I agree with you Peter is the Goat.
Ah, too kind squire đ»
Thank u
An excellent interview. Peter Windsor is always worth listening to, but I am especially pleased that you let him go into great detail on a technical matter - the effects on lap times and tire wear of different cornering styles. Thanks.
I think Max Lewis and Leclerc are in a league of their own, and Russel will get to that
Russell is already in Hamilton's league obviously, maybe he can get to Verstappen's league.
Lando is miles ahead of Russel, skills wise. And Russel is also an insufferable arrogant prick, which will drag him down eventually. He thinks he knows better than the engineers (as he ends up on sleeks in the wet on a regular basis), he can never admit to f-ing up, starting with Bottas last year and now with Mick (I believe it's his 3rd incident this year, where he was clearly at fault but blamed the other driver), and he holds the record for the most cringe radio message of all time, when he congratulated himself for a fairly basic overtake (I think it was Suzuka this year).
leclerc haha ofc not also lewis isnt theire no one
Vettel in his prime with Red Bull was unbeatable. Not even Max could have matched him then.
yes he can mark my words
@@jornkaspers1175 Not that Vettel
Well Seb had 4 titles in a row and 9 race wins in a row. Your move Max.
Vettel had a better car and Max could brake the record this season for most wins in a season, most wins in a row, most podiums in a season, most points in a season, most point % in a season, most win % in a season.
LH fan, no need to react to BS.
@@joostpereira7470 I hope Max wins all races, he would beat Ascari's 70 year old record and it would be the greatest one season driver performance ever in history and I doubt it would ever be broken. He'd have 17 wins in a season, 77,2% win rate and 11 wins in a row.
Max was helped by Massi last year and by Ferrari itself this year.
It's not out of the question for Max to win the next 4 races to equal Vettel's record, and the car isn't as dominant on pace as the 2013 RB.
This man hates Vettel , he has never gave the Respect that he deserves.
Ouf. I think Peter rates Seb highly
I think it's telling that Fernando never liked Vettel, but praised Lewis fairly often, and now praises Max fairly often.
Very true.. he has been like that for years
The men hates now one.... he nowes his stuff far more then all sky reporters.... vettel was only good in his first years, and in his last year. Last year he was briljant, a shame Ferrari make drivers look pore....
Windsor and his poorly hidden hate for vettel. Same old record. Windsor became irrelevant years ago.
Che grandi campioni.
I love Vettel and recognize his talent but he is not on Max level IMHO. I personally believe he surfers from the same issue Max does which is that they are both extremely strong when they have a platform tailored to their style but that advantage disappears drastically when that's not the case. In Vettel's case, he had the worse possible scenario in Daniel because Daniel exposed this is spades. Vettel had no choice but to try something new in another team if he wanted to save his career.
Formula 1 is like no other sport.
What is the point of this video.? Why do they compare "averagely good racing driver" with Super Max.
Comparing Max with Vettel involuntarily accept the fact how good Vettel was and still can be a threat to Max's dominance provided that he gets a car of his liking (Rear end stable).
Nobody compare Max with Alonso or Lewis. There are plenty of videos on CZcams which compares Max and Vettel. But very hard to find something with Lewis & Alonso.
Because of the red bull link no? Barbershop talk right?
Max Verstappen is the master of knowing the quickest way around a race track. All that's left is a car
I think there's a video on Peter's channel coming soon that looks into all this in some detail. You'll love it
Chatty Peter wonât let dude get a word in
Seb was just better thats it
Ouf! ,đ±
Vettel is way more successful than Max at the moment but Max is probably 2 levels above Vettel in terms of natural ability, raw talent and instinct.
Vettel has never been special in the way Alonso, Kimi (2002-2008), Lewis and Max is post Schumi era.
Of coz cars are faster now⊠Even Williams. Ow could be faster than all old carsâŠ
Max is the GOAT. Better than prime Hamilton, Vettel, and Schumacher
I agree with Peter
Prost drove the same as max, brake and steer.
Exactly. Great point KDM. Prost was incredible.
And better then prime lewis
Ouf ofg. We'll fair test it next year if Merc can build a car đ€đŸ
@@CameronF1. the test was 2021 when max lead more laps than all other drivers combined. He beat Lewis fair and square all things being equal (leaving out that max was taken out twice by mercs that year)
@@CameronF1. they wont be back at the top next year they need sidepods
Hamilton and Alonso are prime in all their racing years. Not so many F1 driver can replicate this.
I think having a awesome driver is one thing but without the car your nothing at the moment red bull is the most consistent car which is why red bull are controlling F1.
Nailed it Lloyd.
@@CameronF1. No he didn't. By that logic Lewis also only won because of his car. Is that what you're saying?
@@DavidUno23 is that really what you got from his comment?
@@DavidUno23 It's not the ONLY reason but its certainly at least 50% of the reason. We as an F1 community need to stop making these driver into GODS and realize that at least half of their success is because of their team and car.
Well of you had 2 Perezâs in that car the RB wouldnât look anything special
Peter Windsor is a Legend. The only brit i can listen to as a Max fan cause he calls it like it is, not like what the homer fans want to hear.....aka drooling over Lewis, and hating on Max
Porsche tested and proved that an understeering car is not slower than an oversteering car. That was already in the 70s or early 80s while the famous Norbert Singer was in charge. Oversteering cars have a significantly higher risk of crashing. When Vettel was with Ferrari together with Charles you could clearly see that Vettels driving style was clearly better.
Ouf! Didn't Charles best Seb in the end?
Just hearing Windsor's instant reaction to say Max is faster is quite strange. We're talking about a 13-time winner and 4-time champion in the process. That's the greatest statistical year ever considering the 9 wins in a row and Verstappen is clearly the faster driver this season. We all know had they fueled up Max's car he would have 16 and in Brazil they clearly got the setup wrong but they still were the fastest car on the grid. What a season. I'm glad he'll always be remembered up there with Lewis and Schumacher as far as talent goes. I doubt he'll reach their records but I think he could surpass Vettel's
GOATIFI is still the fastest
Lol, How many laps has Peter done in a F1 car?
i think 1000 man hi
@@jornkaspers1175 Ha ha ha Mate Peter's just a journalist, he hasn't driven any F1 car ever.
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Because every champion is/was faster than Vettel?!
Ouff. I don't know. Feels a bit harsh John?
Max needs to go at a high calibre team mate to see where he is
Daniel Beat him even tho mac was being favoured
Great driver but difficult to gauge where he sits
so ocon is better than alonso with that logic
In a full season daniel didnt beat him
@@Querientje correct but over I think 2 or 3 years had more wins podiums etcc. Even tho Daniel wasn't favoured
@@I_AM_HYDRAA u must be a silly man to point out that against an aging alonso. And all i said was we don't know he great he is if he beat someone of calibre it would be amazing to talk about.
Perez is behind lewis and Russell with the fastest car
I think max is a great driver just dont know how good he is.
@@saynomoredontask6077 2016 Max wins: 1, Ricciardo wins 1.
2017 Max wins: 2, Ricciardo wins 1.
2018 Max wins: 2, Ricciardo wins 2.
As for the favouritism.. don't forget Ricciardo was already part of the RBR team when Verstappen joined halfway through 2016. Then only 1,5 more seasons they were teammates. Can you elaborate on how they favoured Max over Ricciardo?
Man Cam you're really a Max fanboy, not surprised though around this time 2021 you were hype on him. My thing is ppl are jumping the gun, Max is a great driver in a great car, but he has 8 years driving in F1 and is only now going to win his first title fairly. He's fast now but has a lot to prove, we'll see if he maintains this. Cause at one point ppl thought, Kimi, Alonso, Seb, Button, Lewis, Dani were the next Schumi, only one of those drivers made it past his level of success in the sport. He is on a good track though. And I find it hard to compare Max to any driver now, because besides Lewis and Leclerc no other driver tries to race Max. If Merc fix their car or Ferrari start making themselves look like clowns the Max bubble could pop.
The joke is SP I get called a Max fanboy and a Lewis fan boy in equal measure these days so I'm desensitized to it now and just try to say it as I see it, no more than ever.
Max is driving really really really well right now, and I'm calling confirmation bias on anyone whose watched F1 for a while and says otherwise. Respectfully đđŸ
@@CameronF1. yea no disrespect or beef from me either but just because a driver is hot today means he'll be the greatest. In 2014 no onr would have guessed Lewis would have twice as many titles as Seb. So I'm just watching to see what he really can accomplish
@@s-pracing8514 the discussion is about Verstappen being a faster driver than Vettel. Not about who's the greatest.
@@pantrofl well my point is if you say he was faster than Seb in 2013 you diminish what Seb did over 4 years. All these biased comparisons diminish what other drivers have done over a longer period of time.
What does Max have to prove? Heâs been a top driver for pretty much 10 years now, he didnât just make it into F1 by accident. He was recognised as something very very special when he was in his early teens. He was great in TR and won his first race with RB then was the top driver (as ranked by team principles) for most of the last 5 years. Since mid-2018 heâs been the best driver in F1 but you think heâs only now proving himself? You havenât been paying attention
Faster why? Because cheap rent. Really cheap. As in none.
Really, So Seb sucks at Singapore? no corner suits his style. He's won it 5 times. Get back to us when Max has..
I know nothing mate.
Out of curiosity how many of those wins were in a very good red bull with a material competitive advantage?
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@@CameronF1. 1 in 2013... The year Seb won 9 in a row.. Which Max is threatening to do this year.
@@CameronF1. He stood on the podium 8 times out of 12 races, winning 5. He won twice in a Ferrari that wasn't the fastest. How many races has Max and lewis won without a "material advantage?"
@@BruceLee-ky7qz how about every race this year until the break? Charles LeClerc had 7 poles going into the summer break and Ferrari was the fastest car on the track basically until Belgium. Remember Charles driving around Max the times in Austria?
Seb is a talented driver but doesn't have the nerves and concentration to push and make the big points when it is needed. That's why he lost against Lewis who is IMO still the best when it comes to make the big points and use the weakness of your opponents. Sebastian could have won the championship with Ferrari but he always struggled when Lewis closed the gap. And well, Max is on a different level than Seb. Max is on Lewis' level but younger.
Verschtappen is on a different level from both. Vettel and Hamlton are on the same level roughly, but Vettel did a lot more with his teams and cars by being very good at crucial moments and become more one with the car over the season, especially because he doesn't want to be the best all round dirver, the one that is good with bad cars and then blames the car and the team.
Let's not forget that Red Bull was not a top team when Vettel joined, he had won a race before Red Bull. He pulled absolutely everything out of that and more with 4 titles. Hamilton was the first driver in history to debut in the top team of that era and that moment. Then he proceeded to be in the best car for the longest time in the history of F1, Rosberg could have had 7 WDC's too if Hamilton hadn't been in the way.
Peter you are amazing! I have learned so much from listening to you!
He's the GOAT
Wtf is wrong with everyone? you can't compare the 2010 car with the 2022 or 2023 car. Young Vettel and present Max are on same level.
No way. I was a huge Seb fan but Max is on another level