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USS Wyoming, BB-32, was commissioned on September 25, 1912, 111 years ago. The two ships of the “Wyoming” class would go on to serve with distinction for thirty five years.
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That Kleber gameplay was fantastic. Where did you get it?
@@Camooses WoW provided the reel. If that was me, I’d be missing my shots and running into torpedoes.
I have an 1896 printing of The Influence of Sea Power upon History. Interesting to learn the history of it, the man behind it, and the legacy he left.
I will have to keep an eye on the Horizon for any ship wearing a bow tie ^_^ @@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Those islands have it in for my ships. They are always ramming my ships when I'm not looking. ;)
If you are TheHistoryGuy in game, you have a better main gun hit rate than I do. :) (Kizarvexis)
When I was a Hospital Corpsman in the U.S. Navy a 92 y/o patient I was caring for was in Teddy's Great White Fleet. Mr. Mays told me about this cruise and others. In 1976 Charlie Mays was blind at this time and had many medical problems, but he would invite corpsman from the hospital over to his house to watch sports and drink beer in what he called his party room. Of course Mr. Mays didn't drink at his age, but told us a lot of stories and supplied the beer. A Sailor to be remembered.
Amazing. Do You remember any of those stories? And if You do, could You share them with us?
@VioletSkyesGreat White Fleet heartwarming?! YEEESH
Should write those stories down and share them, before they are forgotten.
My grandfather was a corpsman in ww2 and a hospital administrator in Montana by the time he retired in the 70s. He didn't talk much about his time in the Pacific theater.
@mikemcclure9983 Thanks, Doc. Must have been a grand adventure for young sailors. Thank you for your service, too.
You can't save every ship from the scrap yard or to be sunk as a Naval target or artificial reef. But modelers can build painstakingly accurate scale models of ships. So that in a private collection or as Museum pieces, history is remembered.
A brilliant solution, thanks.
And now with 3D modeling technology and advanced graphics, you can bring them back to life in World Of Warships™, a free to play naval warfare online multiplayer experience!
I'm from Wyoming, two years ago I rebuilt a 1/350 scale resin model of the U.S.S. Arkansas into the U.S.S. Wyoming circa 1930 before she was converted into an AG. it's complete with metal turned gun barrels and 3D printed cage masts. The original shipbuilder's model from 1918 is in the Military Vehicles Muesum in Debois, Wyoming. It's about 8 feet long enclosed in a wonderful wood and glass case, it used to be on display at the Ford Wyoming Event Center in Casper, Wyoming until this year.
David Warther Carvings is a delightful museum of sailing history with ninety exquisite models well worth the time and ten dollar admission if you are able to come to Ohio.
Very true - though I also think we shouldn’t go the “British” route, scraping basically every last thing.
Never underestimate the power of telling people in power what they already want to hear.
Many thanks for highlighting the accomplishments of BB33 USS Arkansas, on which my father served 1939-40.
My grandfather was on the Arkansas in Africa, at Normandy, and into the Pacific until the end of the war, and the transport of troops back home. We have some photos of the crew and things. I can't remember exact details at the moment, I'd have to check with my mom to figure out everything we have, but I'd be up for exchanging info.
I guess they wouldn't have been on board at the same time, but still.
My father servered on the Arkansas as one of the four ships he was on during the war. He was an engineer .Very proud of him and his service. He eventually retired from the reserves as a Lt. Cmd.{Jack E. Ouzts}.While he served in both the Atlantic and Pacific I think he mostly had an affection for his Pacific experiences.He eventually became a nuclesr engineer with Westinghouse and designed nuclear propulsion systems on our nuclear subs.
I served aboard the USS Mahan (DDG-42). She has since been decommissioned & now there's a newer USS Mahan. An Arliegh Burke class DDG. GO NAVY!
There was also a US destroyer bearing the same name in the WW2 era. Built and comissioned a few years before the war and lost during the war in the Pacific.
If you look at a famous photo of the Bikini atoll nuclear test, there is a shadow - unmistakable - of a ship sitting vertically, just to the right side, in the rising column of destruction. That is the BB33 USS Arkansas, from whose decks and turrets my grandfather served in both theaters of the second great war. He was among those on hand to witness the end of his great ship; he even got the t-shirt.
Yes- Arkansas standing on her stern
That is a very old myth. What you actually see is a spot where the Arkansas capsized and displaced the water under her. She never stood on her ends, she capsized immediately.
@@kevinhaywood1268 What you wrote is true although it was actually _the shadow_ of that depression in the water that made the picture a legend but we all love a good sea story.
Hope he didn't develop cancer from the atom bomb tests!!
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Arkansas was a handsome ship. My father spent his 3/c midshipman cruise aboard her in the summer of 1937. They sailed to Europe including port visits in England and Germany. He left me several great pictures. Years later when I was in the Navy and standing in-port OOD a tug took the USS New Jersey under tow from PSNS Bremerton to begin her reactivation. It was a proud moment watching a battlewagon head for fleet duty again!
Thank you for this video. My grandfather was a Marine stationed on BB32 between 1917 & 1919. He passed away in 1969 when I was only seven years old, so I never heard him speak of his service.
Speaking is a big fan and a USN officer with 25 years service, , in surface warfare, a very big thank you! These were some of my favorite ships.
Willis "Chin" Lee, the greatest WW2 battleship admiral of the USN passed away just before the end of WW2 aboard the USS Arkansas. A Wyoming class battleship and the oldest battleship in the navy.
Kudos on your explanation that Mahan emphasized the establishment and maintenance of control of the sea, not the sole need for a simple single decisive sea battle. Mahan is often mistakenly remembered, and disparaged, as recommending that single decisive sea battle as the only route to control of the sea.
Whilst, I've never read Mahan myself, I have listened to a few people explain Mahan and a few other theorists from that time, and they all seem to agree that see power leads to control of the seas and doesn't need to come from a decisive battle.
@jonrolfson1686. I have studied naval tactics and have heard disparaging arguments against Mahan but I have never heard anyone claim he was for singular decisive battles.
Mr. THG: I don't recall ever taking time to say this, so I will say it now: Your historical reporting is unmatched in its timeliness, thoroughness, and its relevance. Its practical applications seem boundless, but the sheer reading joy that I gain from your pages is sometimes euphoric. I have been a fanatical history consumer for my entire life, so I can say that. Thank you very much.
Appreciate you, The History Guy.
I grew up watching Modern Marvels and The History Channel when they still played history.
Your videos are easily the closest modern replica to this seemingly forgot video format I’ve seen. Deep dive, fact heavy, rapid fired details, without resorting to reality TV BS.
Fantastic work, in all of your videos. Thank you.
Thank you for this very interesting video. As a point of interest, I had a first blood Uncle, George Maiella(my Mother's brother), a son of Italian immigrants(my grand parents), who was in service on the BB36, Nevada. My uncle was assighned to the Nevada right after it was repaired after the Pearl Harbor damage. And he remained on that ship for the rest of WW2.
Great episode THG! So weird to see a full-sized battleship @15:38 with 5" guns where her main guns used to reside.
Thanks for the Wyoming pics with the multi 5" turrets!
AS ALWAYS, MR. LANCE, AN EXCELLENT VIDEO!!
Your last comment about how the Navy casted the battleships when they were no
longer needed made me think of the Utah rusting away at Pearl Harbor, the Massachusetts doing the same in Fall River,and, the Illinois converted into a "training ship(In the pictures that I've seen, she looks like a floating barn).
The saddest one of all(at least to me) was the fate the USS OREGON.
She was converted into a dynamite bunker.
The picture I have shows with just her hull.
No guns, no superstructure, NO NOTHING!!
After her famous cruise rounding to get to Cuba(read Capt. Joshua Slocum's encounter with her in his book SAILING ALONE AROUND THE WORLD),and, had magnificent service during the Battle of Santiago (Spanish-American War).
A sad end for a noble lady.
In The Influence Of Sea Power Upon History, Mahan says that modern ironclad ships -- which at the time he was writing, meant pre-dreadnaughts -- had not been tested in battle. Remember that the Battle of Tsushima Straits wasn't until 1905.
Aaah! You sunk my battleship! (I still play Battleship - the one from when I was a young child, choosing to have either the red or the blue fold-out game board with my PT Cruiser hidden in plain sight.) And, I still have all of the white (miss) and red (hit) pegs.
It is interesting that you did not mention where the main mast of the USS Wyoming ended up, That is the parade grounds at F. E. WARREN Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming. It was once a major Cavalry outpost of the US Army, And now where many of the crews for Minuteman missile sites work out of.
My great-grandfather did his gunnery training on Wyoming before the war began, I have some of his journals where he talks about life at the academy and aboard the Wyoming.
My platoon leader (2nd Lt.) was Lt. Mahan back in the late 80s. He was a pretty good guy for a butter-bar.
I grew up in Wyoming but never heard the history of the ship or the Wyoming class. Thanks for a very interesting and informative program. Ironically, I saw this on 25 September, the anniversary of Wyoming’s commissioning.
The USS Wyoming is one of my favorite low teir battleships in WoWS. Yes she's slow and her air defense is laughable but she packs one hell of a punch.
12:05 The war was "won" by ships that were designed and build after those naval treaties had been abandoned. The ships that were built while navigating the treaties simply held the line until the war winning navy became available.
I've been playing World of Warships for years, and it's very cool to see them sponsor an episode!
A 12 inch gun taken off the USS Wyoming is in Battery 519 Fort Myles Delaware. It is in the south gun room. The battery is restored to it WWII configuration. Since no US Army 12 inch gun exists a Navy type was used. It is on a reconstructed mount.
Thanks for always coming up with wonderful content! Glad to see your partnered with World of Warships!
That was great trivia about it, having fired more ammunition than any other ship.
I grew up on Aquidneck Island, which is linked by causeway to Coasters Harbor Island, home of the US Naval War College. Visiting and later working there. First as a youngster, as my father was a serving W-4 and then as a DoN employee, at the NWC. Prior to the establishment of the NWC the property / island was used by Newport County as the Poor Farm for indigents and Asylum. Narragansett Bay
As a former USN Sailor this history lesson is appreciated. I was aboard USS Kitty Hawk CV 63 during that collision in the Sea of Japan with a USSR Victor Class SSN. Yahweh bless our United States of America 🇺🇸
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Always a treat. Thank, HG!
Hello from the State of Wyoming.🤠
This was a nice balance of the technical aspects and history of the class as well as the strategic and theoretical environment that birthed it. Now we'll need a collaboration with @drachinifel!
Thanks for the excellent content!
Interesting history about the battleship class named after my home state! Thank you.
I've dumped almost $6000 into World of Warships since 2015. I'll dedicate that to the sponsorship they give you and Drachinifel. Great video though, smiled big when I saw today's topic!
Actually there were 2 battleships older than Wyoming serving in World War 2. USS Utah which had been demilitarized due to 1922 naval treaty, sering as gunnery training ship like Wyoming and as a remote controlled target ship, sink Dec 7 1941. And the former USS Kearsarge, serving as a crane ship throughout the war, and only scrapped around the time Wyoming was scrapped.
The Utah wasn’t a battleship when WW2 started.
@@Ron52G Neither was Wyoming. And the crane ship Kearsarge hadn't been a battleship since 1922.
But I referred to the Wyoming class. Arkansas was actually a battleship throughout the war.
Kearsarge and Utah are both interesting stories that I hope to tell someday. Sadly, though, Utah cannot be said to have served throughout the war, as she was stricken from the rolls in 1944.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannelAdd the fact the she is still sitting wrong side up across Ford Island from the Arizona. Also a memorial to that day in 1941.
Ironic that a class of ships would be named for an under-populated, landlocked state with few if any navigable natural waterways.
Or is the irony the naming of the state? I suppose you'd have to decide the origin of the word "Wyoming". If it arose o ly at the formation of the state... then it is indeed odd to name a vessel after a land locked state. But where did the word originate?
How about The Nevada , maybe The Arizona,or The Indianapolis
Didn't state gov bid to have ships named after their state? I could of swore i heard something about that and it being part of how the construction is funded.
Ironic or iconic?
@@connorhulegaard2012I guess both.
Now I remember! It was an earlier episode of The History Guy, and you said something like 12" 50 calibre guns and I thought you'd lost your mind, having never heard that terminology before. A quick search of the interweb pulled it up and I learned a thing.
Admiral Willis Lee died on USS Wyoming's tender training those men.
I recall reading about the world circumnavigation from school. Did not know about the later Board that organized the later constructions. My thanks.
Thank you, THG, for the succinct history of the Wyoming class BB ships.
Two tough old battlewagons, thanks History Guy!
I know because I have played as her in World of Warships.
Sounds like Mahan was much better at writing books than commanding ships.
Thank you for doing this sir. I always enjoy history & trivia, & such a rich variety of subjects & depth of info- generous of you.
“Navel gazing continues “. 😀😀
The history guy is the human version of a paper plate with plain ruffles on it in the proximity of a bandstand.
What a special, spectacular episode, Mr. Guy! You moved me. God bless you and the Mrs!
As always, your precursor discussion is just as interesting as the discussion of the ship itself. Thank you for such an interesting site, with great research and attention to detail.👍😉
Awesome to hear you play WoWS. It's a fun game and I log in daily.
A great video about a class of ship I didn't know about. That was a pretty rough transition to the outro, though. 🙀
The Great Whlte Fleet was such a flex.
Love the history of ship design and building so much. Thanks
You made this old Navy man smile today
Irony: the whole class of large battleships is named for a US state 1200 miles from any large body of water, whose biggest lake is about 8 miles long.🙃 (Says a person in Wyoming with two sailboats in my back yard.)
Heigh-ho, Heigh-ho
It’s of to sea we go
Heigh-ho, Heigh-ho, Heigh-ho
It’s off to the galley we go
I think I’m crazy-hungry…but not staving
Can’t spell, either.
I served onboard the USS Prairie AD-15 from 1974-78. She was a Dixie-class destroyer tender, but in fact her hull started out as the USS Dixie AD-14. There was a fire that would have delayed the commissioning of AD-14 so the next hull was substituted. Prairie repaired battle damage on HMS Ajax after her tangle with Graf Spee in 1939 just after her commissioning. I choked up when I discovered after 54 years of service she was sold for scrap to a ship breaker in Singapore.
Down where I live, they scrap ships at the port of Brownsville. Alot of famous carriers like the coral sea. Soon the enterprise
To paraphrase the great Hacksaw Jim Duggan: “WYOOOOOOO!!!”
It’d be fantastic to be a fly on the wall if you could listen in on a conversation between Mahan and Rickover. Bring them back for a few hours for a chat.
Excellent and fascinated video!!!
Excellent episode as always! ❤
THG knows that must of his viewers are military buffs. Do it's an extra guarantee of success.
WoWS is one of my favorite games.
At the 7 minute, 50 second mark, The Times of London proclaimed him “The New Copernicus.” What a grand title to acquire, as Nicholas Copernicus is the “Father of Astronomy.” He took astronomy out of hocus pocus astrology and made astronomy into a science! 🤔😁👍
Thank you for the lesson.
Early in WWII my father was stationed in the Chesapeake Area serving as a Corpsman with a gun training ship. I wonder if he was with the Wyoming group.
IMPORTANT NOTE: The "bottom-up" idea for warship maintenance, where the actual crewmembers who are fixing things can bypass the "brass" and get needed help for more complex maintenance work from various shore facilities, was upgraded enormously when modern complex guided-missile and, later, computer-controlled systems began to take over ship operations, starting in the early 1960s when it was realized that such equipment had to make do with ship-based materiel and crew. Up to then, this had "fell on its face: but the US Naval Ship Missile Systems Engineering Statio0n (NSMSES) on the SeaBee base in Port Hueneme, CA, was commissioned to find out ways to perform such in-house support. They succeeded by introducing a version of the NASA methods of rocket and control and support equipment based on the "man in the loop" aboard ship being the top rather than the bottom of the warship crew hierarchy. This was radical in US Navy order or control on warships, but it worked perfectly when coupled to the correct shore-establishment upgrades in their interactions with the Fleet. This is used today and will continued to be used with any needed adaptations in the future to keep US warships operational at all times.
Alfred T Mahan is my 3rd Great Uncle (my paternal grandmother's great uncle), and Mahan is my grandmother's maiden name, and regardless of how the name is spelled, it is pronounced may-han. Of course, everyone mispronounces it as M'Hon, but I figured I'd go ahead and let you know the right way to say it.
I'm going to play this video at my next party, and tell everyone to take a drink every time you say cameo. 😂
USS Wyoming The Chesapeake Raider.
I always regret when these historic ships are sent to the breakers, but they aren't like cars that can just be stashed in a farm shed for decades. There's real cost and expensive challenges in maintaining them and keeping them for future generations.
You're kinda wrong there. When you're a major government it really is pretty much the same. Those ships could have been kept as floating museums and even a nominal fee would have been enough to pay for what little maintenance they would have required.
Only sailors understand the pain of the 'death' of a ship.
They could have at least saved Enterprise and Warspite. No other ships symbolized their navies more.
always great videos Have considered spending time with the Canadian Parliament after this weekend they could use your help Cheers
The point you are missing is that Mahan pointed out the existence of “choke points” that needed to be defended or captured in order to control the seas. Mahan was not interested in imperialism as such, he was interested in the choke points of the world and who would control them. He identified those choke points and they are still being fought over in the present day. They still have value after more than a century.
thanks
Navel Gazing?
Humor In Uniform? 😆
Before the Wyoming class, the Delaware and Florida classes were already using steam turbine engines. While these were more durable than VTE engines, they were less efficient - important for a Navy that had to operate in the larger Pacific Ocean. Consequently, the class after the Wyoming class, the 14" gunned New York class, used VTE engines. The Nevada class had one turbine ship, and one with VTE engines, the USS Oklahoma. The Oklahoma was the USN's last battleship with VTE engines. Also, the Wyoming class was just a little over 19% larger in displacement that the previous Florida class rather than a third larger.
Why is this channel so relaxing?
What a sad ending for those great battleships
Splendid 👍👍
I've always heard it pronounced "MAhan", at least by me, and all the other shipmates I served with on her (DDG-42).
Thanks for making this video
What is interesting is that the Wyoming class, in some respects, was more innovative than the subsequent New York class. The geared turbines were discarded in New York and Texas due to disagreements on engines by that very same board. There was still arguments against them all the way up into the Nevada Class and USS Oklahoma still was built with triple expansion engines. Ironically this might have been the deciding factor in not rebuilding the ship like USS West Virginia. Geared Turbines weren't 'standard' on US battleships until the Pennsylvania class.
If i recall correctly Oklahoma wasn't rebuilt because of its sinking while under tow to California to be repaired.
@@bobmartin4942 Oklahoma was being towed to California to be scrapped, not repaired.
The Wyoming class used direct drive turbines. The Nevada was the first US battleship built with geared turbines.
Thanks!
Thank you!
An advert for WoWs when I am already playing it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Wyoming fired more shells than the rest of the US fleet during the war.
Thank you sir.
Thank you, that was interesting.
Never expected a sponsor with World of Warships on THG. Huh.
Didn't Mahan have a destroyer named after him?
In fact, four destroyers have been named in his honor, the most recent being an Arleigh-Burke class destroyer, DDG-72.
I'm not a big ship kinda person as aviation is my primary interest, I do play WoWS though and have a cursory knowledge of warships.@@TheHistoryGuyChannel
Neither HMS Dreadnought nor the US' South Carolina class were literally "all big gun". All three ships had over twenty 3"/50 quick-firing guns for close-in fighting against torpedo boats and destroyers. In the next USN battleship class, the Delawares the 14 secondaries were 5"/50s. In the next, Florida, class, the secondaries were the 5"/51 guns that would be used all the way through the last pre-Treaty battleships, the Colorado class. The Wyoming class was the USN's 4th Dreadnought type battleship, and the last class with 12" guns. WRT the "Great White Fleet", it was a learning experience on multiple levels in the transition from a coastal fleet to an ocean-going fleet: sea-keeping; logistics; fleet tactics. The "Great White Fleet" were all pre-Dreadnought type battleships, with heavy secondary and tertiary batteries intended for close-in fighting with large ships.
ABG Dreadnoughts referred to a uniform main battery. The additional guns you
list are the secondary battery. Previously the main battery would use multiple calibers so that the gunnery officers could distinguish the splash of their gun to adjust fire.
ALL BIG GUN refers to the main battery. Those you mention are the secondary battery or tertiary battery.
An expanded version of the THG theme tune!
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
@TheHistoryGuy I hope you will discuss the South American Dreadnought Race.
👍 I hope he includes the dreadnought that was abducted by aliens while under tow. I can't remember if it was Brazilian or Argentinian, but that story always tickled me
Can't help but think that Mahan's ideas still ring true today.
You should do a video on the USS IDAHO! Thanks! Good video!
The ships were treated just like us old soldiers.
Net is satellite based so can't play games like WoW or WoT. Avalanche Press once did a set of scenario's drawn from a couple of games of there's tracking the path of the Great White Fleet and setting up battles between the various fleets it encountered along that path.
History aside, it's cool to see a man that ties his own bow ties! BTW, i treasure my copy of Mahan's book, and I enjoy explaining it to the uninitiated and opening their eyes.