2019 GT350 DYNO!! Stock vs 93 Tune vs E85 Tune
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Gus was nice enough to bring us a 100% stock 2019 GT350 for some tuning. This gave us a good opportunity to do some back to back testing. In this video we dyno Gus' car stock, add 93 octane tune, then a JLT and then finish it off with E85! How much did it make?
Having seen this car and meeting Gus in person was great we shared time and conversation about how fortunate we are to not only have found palm beach dyno but living close enough to have our cars tuned in person, both being returning customers I can say with out a doubt this team is awesome.
Triple yellow stage 2 Whipple rocking the 800, e85 next Rob recommended, so I'll be back
Larry 👍
It was good to meet you as well. Your car is bad ass.
@@guscosio5487 ,
Which shop in Broward - Palm Beach area do you recommend for bolt on installs like long tube headers / X pipe ?
Beautiful FT350. 👍
25wheel on e85 is pretty damn good all motor. I have a 68 mustang fuel injected 438windsor 11.5:1 compression with mild solid roller cam, afr 220 heads, super victor efi intake, th400 4k stall 410gears and made 520wheel 457 torque all motor on 93 octane. I am guessing around 545wheel 470 torque on e85. Car is a street car and weighs 3k lbs. I tried more 101 race gas and it definitely pulled harder up top. E85 will for sure make it more powerful. Once you go e85 you never wanna go back. If i can put down 545wheel 470 torque on an all motor street car with mild solid roller cam, i will be happy with that. What's important is the car is fast as fck at only 3k lbs with 4k stall th400.
2 years later but it was 35 hp 😉
Just when you think you’re hitting redline...just when you think you’re hitting redline...just when you think you’re hitting redline.....It just keeps going man!
Great comparison guys!
For all the people talking about bye bye warranty, not so fast. I have a 17 GT350, with LT's, O/R X Pipe, and a Lund box with a e85 Flex tune. My 17 engine blew do to #3 and #7 rods letting go. Now the dealer ran and said ... NO WARRANTY ! FORD allowed for the tear down and saw that my LT HEADERS and TUNE had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FAILURE. I have a 19 engine now, and my warranty is up July 17th.
I was told in the forums by many who think and react like people in this thread. Don't be a sheep. Get your own information and get things done for yourself. Understand how your warranty works, and enjoy your vehicle.
Bro my #7 rod also totally let go at 7500 rpm, 17’ engine, totally destroyed the shortblock. Ford didn’t warranty mine either and I was out 8k for a MMR forged shortblock. Sucked.
Moss-Magnuson Act. Everyone should be very familiar with it. If you drive cars like these it's a must.
Ken thank you. The car is running amazingly. You and your staff are top notch. Looking forward to the next phase.
Gus Sorry I didn't stick around for the x85 results do I hear spoiler alert? Ken?
Did you guys do the X85 or others? Thx
Cannot say enough good things about your channel and your performance group. Watching your content has been extremely educational as I learn the Coyote/Voodoo platforms.
Also, this E85 comparison you just did directly correlates to my 12:1 all motor build I have under construction. It is helpful and clarifying.
Thank you, and please keep up the great work!
Great content guys! Y'all are role models in the mustang community
Looks like the JLT Intake is on par with the tuned PBD Stock 350 intake. Altho the testing of the 350 intake still used the paper element filter. If the air filter was upgraded it could change things. I see JLT made approx 6.6hp more than the PBD tuned stock 350 intake which used the stock filter. As for the stock 350 tune JLT made 12HP more up top. If I would of known this before hand I would of just kept my stock 350 intake and got the PBD tune. But already ordered the JLT intake with PBD tune
I should say held 8 more hp up top. But made 1hp throughout range
Yo Ken it would nice to see a Steeda 121mm closed air box on that Shelby GT-350, and how about a Cobrajet intake with twin 65mm.
Nice. My 2014 Mustang GT made 461hp and 395tq on E, JLT and ‘18 manifold(non ported) on a mustang dyno. Pretty impressive.
That’s awesome, I love E85 living in the Midwest. I know it’s not the best but at 1/2 the price of 93 it’s only logical
Been following Palm Beach Dyno for awhile now . Fortunate enough to have just purchased a 2019 Whipple GT350 with a custom tune. Runs great. Have heard quite a bit about E85. The extra power from these minor tweaks is pretty incredible. Will likely be pursuing a few more changes to the car lol
Loved this video, everything done nice and very honest. Subbed
JLT must stand for Just Larger Tubing 😂 what was the blend of E85? 30-40 or full E85
E85 is 51-83% ethanol
@@callang9 E85 is 85% Ethanol, hence the name. Some stations sell "flex fuel" which has varying levels of ethanol. Nobody calls E51, E85 unless they are dumb
my 2014 5.0 is FBO e85 tune and it’s amazing can’t wait to dyno it
Hello PBD,
Love the sound of the Gt350! Great tuning! God Bless!
I wanna see an LS rev that high. There would be rods flying everywhere.
Not if its built right. There's an ls7 that revs to 8200.
@@camonly849 My 100% stock motor twin turbo 19 mustang gt revs to 8300.
@@robertbreaux7043 thats awesome! Hopefully it lasts!
@@camonly849 I hope so too. Im at 23k miles and its had twin 62s on it from 5 miles. Not the 1st problem yet around 850 WHP on e85 at 14lbs.
@@robertbreaux7043 can't complain with that man. I would be stoked. I just have an all moror c6 z
Yo Ken what do you think about this combo on a gt350? K/N filter, carbon fiber drive shaft, Craig Davis electric water pump, cat and resonator delete, bear deep stage breaks front and rear, and loseing over 60pounds of rotational mass between drive shaft, rear rotors and 15 inch rims. And I want to drive your car. I do enjoy your information. Have a wonderful week. By the way that is my combo.and very close to 3200 lbs stock tune.
Those are solid power increases.
Can't wait to get my tune! I sent off the stock reading two days ago.
That’s great. You will be very happy. I did my research, by far the best decision was using PBD for the tuning. I can’t wait to do the next step.
I've always wanted to know the difference between 'Stock' and "100% Bone Stock"????
Looking forward to the E85/ethanol fuel shoot out on your GT500 Ken, great idea!
Great comparison! I wish we had E85 here in AZ, only E54 here.
We do have e85. I don’t know why people keep saying it’s e54. It test right around 85%.
Join E85 Arizona Facebook page. It maps out every E85 station and what they test at. Most are E54 but there are a handful that are full E85. There’s one next to me that regularly tests at E90.
The intake didnt do much, but E85 and tune made a big difference.
Gaining that power up past the peak and letting it carry power out further is more significant than alot of you are giving it credit for. Every little thing adds up and they all work together.
SCJ intake does great on these cars. I did e85 injectors and the SCJ and they put down 527whp. Love these high reving motors. This was just info not digging the video. PBD does a great job with info
That’s my plan with some ARH long tubes. Would love to see 520+ whp. 550whp with cams is the dream
@@dontyouworryaboutit_ I think a ported cj and cams could easily see 550+ on e85 with headers and full free flowing exhaust.
@@midnight347 oh yeah, my car now made 543whp with cams and a stock, not ported CJ. Needs springs bad. With ported CJ and springs it’s probably got close to 600whp in it
What needs to be done to run e85 on a stock gt350 besides the tune
Will dealership know that it’s been tuned? If you wanted to get an extended warranty
Why test with the hood open? I don't drive with my hood open
You also don't normally drive in doors with much less airflow over the car as compared to out on the road. It's a test to judge gains, not a road simulation.
Get heat out
Good stuff, thank you 👊
Did you guys have to install new injectors and fuel pump or is it not needed?
Thats a hella gains for an intake and tune
So a Mach 1 and 2024 mustang will both dyno more than the gt350 on e85?!
The gen 3 5.0 is incredible!
Very cool!! Brass tacks - How much does the all mods you did cost? Also all the tweeks you did, I assume the car needs to actually be on premises to achieve the highest numbers stated ?
No put the cai on and you can do all of this tuning remotely
Chevy guys watching getting upset while they repair their LS swaps. 😢😢
No not at all 🤷🏾♂️
And?
You crying cause you can’t make over 700rwhp NA cry me a river
I don’t think anyone’s crying about something that stupid… nobody would want to tear down entire engine when you can just put boost on it and have 1,200 to tires… work smarter not harder.
lol never cry over a ford
463 horsepower stock 474 on E85
Hey Ken have u tried a high volt high current coil on a 93 set up yet. Love to c a vid
So they support e85 from factory? Didn't had to install do an e85 kit? Thats awsome
Hello friend a year ago I bought a Texas fuel flex l had it connected it gain about 30 horses.6 month later a check Eng light came on I took it to the ford dealer and they say my Eng was contaminated what did I do wrong please advise
I was expecting a lot more. That’s a decent investment for not that much return.
And losing the factory warranty. Not worth it in my opinion. If you are going to break warranty, go big. Add boost.
Stay tuned ....... more to come
25wheel increase on e85 for all motor car is pretty fcking good man. These cars dont like boost. Most blow.
@@maximusvonce1381 wrong.... they love boost. Many out there sitting at 900-1200whp on oem bottom end. doesny take much with this compression, 10lbs will get you big numbers
And a set of ARH long tubes nets another 20-25 rwhp. 525 rwhp NA car is a blast.
Heck yea. I want to see the fuel change number
Can I use my sct x4 to get your 93 and e85 tune on my R?
What did you have to do to it for e85? Injectors? Sensor? Fuel pump? Fuel lines?
Hey quick question,
What mods can support to run out the power on a 2017 gt without doing a manifold swap. I saw one guys graph with oem manifold and his power carried to about 7k and trickled off vs it just falling on its face at 6500.
I'm currently x pipe and axleback. Planning on modding stock airbox with ram air and the power pack 1 from ford. Unsure if I want to do catted headers yet. I'm not opposed to doing a 2018 manifold just still under warranty. Would like to keep the control valves active though. Car is mainly a daily but I like to have fun.
which fuel was running in the stock pull, 91?
That’s pretty damn good for just an intake and e85 on an n/a motor
What do you guys think the 350 will wind up at when you are done?
I made 480whp with fbo on my gt350, are the newer gt350s made with stronger engines or something? I made that power on a mustang dyno.
A Mustang Dyno will typically show lower power #'s than if it was run on a Dynojet.
Mustang dynos show lower numbers 480 on a mustang dyno is well above 500 on a dynojet.
Dumb question, if i were too do an E85 and tune on my 2016 gt350, are you still able to use pump gas at all, (here 92), if ran out of e85 or would it be strictly e85?
Or is there an ok mix ratio like 1/4 tank left e85 and need gas
Is the stock GT350 fuel plumbing able to handle E85?
Yes, has dual fuel pumps from the factory. Just needs a tune for it to run correctly.
Are you running this in 4th or 5th?
Would you get gains as well if you changed out the factory CAI on a Bullitt to JLT ?
No, very little
Great video....do you guys work on any of the modern mopar platforms?
In person. I have a 2018 Hellcat
@@PalmBeachDyno ,
Do you do bolt on installs like long tube headers and X pipe ?
Awesome 🤘🤘👌💪
Wait so it did 474 with stock tuned 93 and then afte installing the JLT made 479 on tuned 93 but elevated around 12 hp at high rpm?
That’s garbage
@@moephillsjr 💯
@@moephillsjr not really what do you guys expect from an intake? It's gaining power up top and holds power longer which is always a positive. There is more to things than peak to peak gains. It did 474 with a 93 tune completely stock otherwise and gained like 5 peak but was 12 higher above the peak and carried the power out better which is significant and makes a difference at the track. All these people focusing only on peak to peak numbers show how much of a noob they are.
Were these pulls in 5th gear?
How much would it cost to tune my 2016 GT350 (bone stock)
So basically 35hp/32tq from tune and fuel. The JLT really didn't do much if anything.
LOL, he showed you it made 12 RWHP
@@JLTPERFORMANCE I was obviously talking peak numbers and the CAI added 1hp/4tq. Under the curve you can't tell but it doesn't look like it did much if anything. Yes, at 8000 rpm it added power.
You don't drive at peak hp. Gain before and after peak are just as important
@@PalmBeachDyno agreed, and I eluded to that.
Without using this car on a track, autocross or drag strip, the JLT Might not be of value. If you spend any time on a track, you will spend a lot of time shifting near peak RPM. I count 4 times at Mid-Ohio where 3rd or 4th max out. Worth the extra $ even with track use? Hmm. Good question.
Do you tune the s197 gt500s?
what causes that little did down low? i notice my dyno graph does the same thing.
pat G gearing let off
What is AFR for E85 tune?
I have a 19 350r and am wondering if I should do an e85 tune with a JLT CAI. Is it worth it?
Lol he literally just gave you a full rundown on it.
Can someone explain exactly what a tune is ? And what it does so the car pumps out more power??
They just add more timing more fuel and fix your transmission shift points.......the more bolt ons the more power they make.
@@westcoast6162 they don't do anything to your shift points in a manual trans gt350. Raise the limiter sure but shift points is determined by the driver. I know that is an alien thought for many people these days you know actually shifting your own gears.
What did u have to upgrade to run e85?
On a GT350 it’s just the tune.
"Gives up around 7800rpm".... That's higher than most V8's redline...
498whp JLT and E85 Interesting
Don’t 2018+ 5.0s with the same mods make around 470whp?
Really thought the GT350 would make a lot more power
The Voodoo is optimized to run 93 octane from the factory, whereas the Coyote is tuned for 87 even though you don’t get full power without 93. Tuning for higher-grade fuels only yields lower gains as a result.
Not with factory exhaust typically
GintaPPE1000 CZcams people lie a lot about there mods
where my n199az at ?!!?!?!?!?
Am I the only one that cringes every time I don't see oil catch can/separators on a GT350?
As I understand it from a Ford engineer who worked on the 2020 GT350 and the GT500, the catch cans are only of value if the car spends time on the track and pushes oil around at high lateral Gs (which I hope everyone experiences at least once).
Lol, cute. I gained about 60hp when I went to E85. #335isKingOfTheStreets 💪
Yeah, you got two Turbos! Forced induction makes a huge difference!! Duhh! Find a N/A Bimmer and let us know what your numbers look like!! I bet you this, run a stock 335 against a stock 350 and tell us how it turns out!! There's always a hater lying in wait!! 🤨
@@vondeezl2961 yea with a motor HALF THE SIZE don’t forget that, Moron! My motor was built for FI and this one brags about technology mine had in 2007!!
Yea with turbos. Obviously e85 helps forced induction more than na this is strong gains on e85 for an na motor.
335 ain't king of shit btw. Mess around and get gapped by real cars.
@@midnight347 WAY more. Imho e85 for NA isn’t even worth the hassle of using it.
doesnt a 2018+ mustang gt make 500 rwhp with full bolt on wtf?
530 shiddd
If you use cobra jet etc
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BIG D WHIIZZZ
Dang bro fbo suck for power you get 5 who lil by lil 🐌
Mustangs haven’t changed much in 27,090 years
5.0 10 speed making more 🤣
Need good gas to make the maximum of power, Sherlock
@@beeleuazevedo8142 regardless
@@KamsVideos automatic is lame though idc if its faster....its feminine.
@@shanefowler9443 to each is own
all that fuss , just to get dragged by a bone stock 2011/12 GT500
where the gt500 gets dragged on the track. Apples to Oranges
I love Mustangs but those stock numbers are trash for the price of this car. Ford did better with the Gen 3 Coyote, than what they did what this
cuz dyno numbers are the only thing worth considering on this car right? lol
This comment has so many problems I dont know where to begin. Ill just say you should take some time to learn about engines before commenting next time
Gt350 was never designed for just straight line performance. It was designed to hold revs on a road course with a completely different crank compared to the gen 2/3's. Doesnt mean there not fast in a straight line but that wasnt the main design of this car. Better handling, better braking, carbon fiber goodies, etc all of which your not getting on a gt.
Bye bye factory warranty and hello blown engine
Congratulations on being the dumbest comment on this video
Ken what are your thoughts on pedal commander for the dead zone between 1k-3.5k ?