BYERE Just saying, they were focused on stopping the Borg from assimilating Earth and changing history, but I guess following orders really does take a much bigger precedence.
@@Y2Kr4SHM4N I was mostly referring to the look of the film, not all of its qualities. But, to be fair, I was waiting for one of these comments. Truth is, I think most of the Star Trek movies have aged well in terms of their special effects. The first movie has that classic 1970s feel, and you can feel the scope and money invested into the film. Wrath of Khan continues to make use of those tried-and-true special effects, but you could also tell the budget had been slashed, but Nicholas Meyer knew how to use what he had. Star Trek VI, I think is the best looking Trek movie with the original line-up, and like First Contact, has visually aged very, very well, not just in effects, but in costumes, lighting, styles, etc. Those are two special movies.
So sad though that they crapped on Picard in the new Picard TV series, which they said they did intentionally to "humble Picard and make him acknowledge and account for his privilege", presumably as a white male and by extension shame all of his fans for liking the Picard character in the past.
I remember seeing this movie in the theater. When data said his line of "to hell with our orders" there was applause and laughter from everyone there. Same reaction from the crowd with "perhaps today is a good day to die. Prepare for ramming speed!" One of the dynamics that's missed now a days by not going to the theater.
Also, what was Riker thinking? Hey, here is a (Klingon) captain with most of his crew massacred and who just a few minutes ago was preparing to lead the few survivors to mass suicide? Now would be a perfect time to mess with him! it makes sense in the lighter tone of the series but when you look at it from a slighlt more realistic point of view it is just plain silly, isn't it?
Starfleet Regulation 191 (Article 14): In a combat situation involving more than one ship, command falls to the vessel with tactical superiority, should there not be a higher ranking officer present.
If the TNG writers and producers were braver, they would have promoted Picard to Admiral after Best of Both Worlds and made Riker captain of the Enterprise, with either Data or a certain blonde firecracker for his XO. Would have been plenty of ways to keep Picard on the screen, and really establish progression with the characters in the series. My point being, Picard continuously showed ability in being a fleet commander, both in the series and here.
He's commanding the flagship of the Federation. That makes him the superior of every other captain in the fleet. He's merely exercising that privilege, there is absolutely no badassery here, just an acknowledgement of facts.
“They’re creating a temporal vortex” “Time travel” Ryker is always standing by ready to translate the jargon of educated crew members into shit-kicker English.
Troi's job is to point out hidden motives and subtle feelings. Riker's job is to point out the blatant and obvious ones. "Charming women," "not very chatty..."
Interestingly They wanted to spend more and on the opening battle, make it longer, and make it more impressive but the budget restrictions meant it wasn’t possible.
No, the opening sequence of Star Trek the Motion Picture with the Klingon attack run on V'ger is better. And you can hear the theme music from that in this scene, probably in homage.
I always loved how the Enterprise shows up and Picard just goes "Screw the chain of command. I'm taking over the fleet." And everyone just agrees and does as he commands.
And it’s like the conversation with Janeway and Ransom had. In a combat situation command falls onto the ship with tactical superiority. Granted that regulation is for two ships but we can assume that it also applies in a situation like this.
In a military engagement, the most capable vessel in the fleet assumes command when chain of command is broken. That is standard practice. I never had an issue with that scene. It makes totally sense, and is actually exactly what every captain probably was aware of. In real life its exactly the same in most armies of the planet.
Just remember... the E's quantum fish are what finally blew up the borg cube, making the unnamed tactical officer that got 'run off' by Worf the first and only person to actually destroy a Borg cube with conventional weapons......
Not to mention that there was less need for a tactical officer in the first place, now that that battle was over. It wasn’t like the Enterprise was going back in time to fight half the Romulan fleet or something.
@@johnbarone7602 in the heat of a battle scenario like that, they don't have time for any issues at all. It's not uncommon at all to place the most experienced officer quickly where they can most efficiently use their knowledge to benefit the ship. It's very easy for them to utilize the less experienced officer for tasks elsewhere on the ship. And tactically, it's the right choice. Now.....I don't see him pulling someone like crusher off the helm though if he was there at the time..... for the fact that Picard knows he's an ace pilot.
@@martinw4330 You missed my main point, which was that the cube was already blown up, so there wasn’t as much a need for firing things as there was before. Tactical is weapons, right?
@@johnbarone7602 The fight wasn't over yet, remember they still had the sphere to deal with. It made sense to have Worf take over, and I'm sure the person who was there realized it. Besides there are other ways that crewmember could help
Mannnn the scene with the Defiant eating sh*t and Worf getting ready to ram a cube gets me every time. Not because he was so willing to die in combat, but because it shows you immediately how willing to LIVE he was when his friends joined the fight and he knew they would win. God I love that scene
I was so bummed when the Enterprise-D was destroyed in the last movie but quickly got over it after seeing the Sovereign Class Enterprise-E. It's a sexy starship.
@@ABW941 The short story "Unexpected Honor", written for issue 40 of Star Trek Magazine in May 2012, revealed that the Enterprise-E was destroyed in an ambush by the Undine (species 8472) at Starbase 236 in 2408. Captain Data was offered the command of the Odessy Class Enterprise-F but turned it down because he had Post Traumatic Stress disorder over the loss of his ship and crew. He subsequently retired from Star fleet to teach. (I guess we will find out if this is actually canon in the new Picard series)
This whole scene is awesome, but I love when the Defiant’s helmsman announces the Enterprise’s arrival at 2:31. That name is so powerful that it immediately boosts morale.
@@Ihaveaglitch in Voyager time and time again they beam stuff through their shields (until they can't), beaming through shields is an old thing by this time.
I love how the stardate implies that this was during the DS9 episode "Blaze of Glory" when Sisko was with Eddington in the Badlands. The Borg timed their attack to avoid him. "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surr... is his gone? Are we SURE the Sisko is not there? Phew! Surrender your ships..."
If that's the case, then he should be wearing the crest for the House of Martok rather than the Son of Mogh, but he doesn't do so in the TNG films until Insurrection. I think it makes more sense that this movie takes place during the first half of DS9 Season 5, and the stardate is just a continuity error.
Deborah Everton (costume designer) and Michael Westmore (makeup effects) outdid themselves in creating a new look for the Borg. They are much more organic and creepier than before. Of course, having a movie budget to play with also helps. Voyager had to wait until after the movie premiere (around the end of Season 3) to bring the Borg there. Plus, I like the cool-looking Starfleet ships they created for the movie (the Akira, Steamrunner, and Saber classes). Best TNG-era movie, hands down.
@@Bitchslapper316 Voyager made the Borg even better, a real credible threat spanning thousands of light years with some consistent lore rather than some far off nebulous thing that occasionally pops up and can be beaten with the power of friendship.
@@Milamberinx "Developing" a character or in this case a race in more detail doesn't always make it better. Voyager took a mysterious seemingly unstoppable force of nature and turned them into an every day run of the mill star trek alien. By the end of the series they were no more intimidating then the Romulans. A good example is Voyager alone being able to go toe to toe with a Borg tactical cube, the Borg equivalent of a warship. In the past regular Borg cubes were able to take on and destroy entire fleets of advanced federation star ships. The mere siting of a single cube caused panic and terror across the quadrant. In Voyager? 10 Borg cubes? No be deal, go to warp.
@@Bitchslapper316 That's not a good example. They didn't go toe to toe. They didn't even leave a scratch on the tactical cube. Voyager got the shit kicked out of it just so three crewmembers could voluntarily get assimilated. Freaking bonkers, and scary as hell. Boldly going indeed.
Star fleet crews are not as suicidal as the klagons. That cube would not have come close to its mission, any heavily damaged klagon ship would have rammed the cube.
It is all about survival no matter the race or culture they all fight for a common goal: keeping their individuality or "humanity" one might say. A common enemy is a powerful force that draws people toghether
Picard: We must go back, repair any damage they have done! Riker: Even if that means ensuring Wesley is born? Picard: We must go back, repair most the damage they have done!
@@Coolman13355 I'm thinking of another movie where it wasn't explained. Someone asked Worf why he's there and then Worf didn't have time to answer. Maybe Insurrection?
@@Coolman13355, according to Worf, he was on Manzar Colony overseeing the installation of a new defense system. The Enterprise was in the vicinity,so he decided to hitch a ride with them.
Data saying "to hell with our orders" was like that moment in Star Trek 6 when Spock said "I believe if I were human my response would be go to hell. If I were human."
Regarding Picard's statement of "violating our orders", remember a statement from a TNG episode (I don't recall exactly which one): "Starfleet doesn't want officers who'll blindly follow orders without analyzing the situation"; and in my opinion disregarding their orders is a perfect example of doing so.
and you remember in TNG when he shouted at Wesley 4 not following orders to force people from there homes ...... seems picard should find and say sorry to him now
@@willvgo2950 All ships have some weak spots. That's just how anything is designed/built. And despite that it is completely unlike the thermal exhaust port situation where one lucky fighter craft could lob two torpedoes to destroy the entire station. This "weak" sport was well hidden (Data said that it had no critical systems, so he and sensors were fooled). But more importantly, it took the combined firepower of an entire (and quite capable and well armed) fleet to take advantage of that "weak" spot. Anything that requires combined firepower of a fleet to destroy is not a weak spot.
@@domoncar6782 I realize that. There is a big difference between 2 small torpedoes launched from a fighter & dozens of large torpedoes launched from several ships. I was joking based on the original comment that seemed to be referencing the first Death Star & then the idea that Rogue One was centered around explaining it.
@@domoncar6782 It could of been a spot that was less protected at the time due to the borg cube diverting resources to other areas. It just so happened that the exposed area was near a system that would start a cascade failure throughout the cube.
“Sensors so chronometric particles emanating from the sphere” But in case you didn’t understand that “They’re creating a temporal vortex” But in case you didn’t understand that “Time travel”
One of the fastest flights ever. From the Romulan Neutral Zone to earth within minutes. Must be Warp 9.999999995. And transporters now work with raised shields. Big improvements.
Considering the Defiant was disabled when they arrived, and that the Enterprise left nearly at the start of the battle, time certainly had passed. And consider we see the Enterprise taking no hits after it shielded the Defiant, and that it was moving away from the cube, they had probably gotten out of range or made themselves a less appealing target in order for them to drop the shields.
Pretty sure we saw them make those improvements to the shields early on in Voyager and DS9, so it makes sense the Sovereign Class would have that same capability.
Like all Federation vessels there's 2-3 speeds at warp, maximum warp that poses no danger to the ship (The Enterprise E's highest recorded and canon is warp 8 but other sources are in the range of 9.5-9.9), maximum warp that puts a fair deal of stress on the ship but can be sustained for a period of time (usually 0.5-1.0 more than maximum standard at varying lengths depending on the vessel) and then the last one is pushing it into the realm of "if we keep this up for a half hour there won't be a ship left" and if you choose option 3 then it's a gamble what will fail first, the warp core or the structure of the vessel.
"I'm about to commit a direct violation of our orders, any of you wish to object should do so now, it will be noted in my log!" ........I think when Earth, your home planet is in grave danger and is in clear need of assistance, orders can go out the window! "Starfleet doesn't want officers who will just blindly follow orders, without analysing the situation first." - Jean Luc Picard.
Hes giving any crewmen a chance to voice whether they want to be complicit or not. Obviously, Picard is right in his actions, but its still a violation of the chain of command. It shows Picards abilty to empathize any scenario presented to him. Like the diplomat he is.
@@theInfamousWraith sorry my friend but there's only one Captain they got balls and it ain't John Luke Picard is Captain John Sheridan especially when he was out of bullets and said give me ramming speed baby Star Trek stole everything from Babylon 5 czcams.com/video/MXkIuVLnsFE/video.html 3:08
Dozens of starfleet vessels destroyed and thousands of lives lost in a desperate battle but Riker still finds time to tease and have laugh at Worf's expense.
If all the flag rank officers are dead and Capt. Pickard is senior to all the other surviving Captains (rank NOT CO's...smaller ships might be commanded by commanders or even Lt. Commanders...), THEN HE IS IN COMMAND as an acting Commodore...
@@kaicreech7336 I wasn't a big fan of Beyond myself. I really liked 2009 and into darkness though. I really would have liked to see a finished extended directors cut of 2009. There was a lot of cool stuff in that movie that was deleted or unfinished.
There are like three versions of this on CZcams, each with a problem, low sound, small screen, or missing bits. This one has none of those. Great job. Fun fact - Frakes "tough little ship" comment isn't the first time he has said it about the Defiant....Thomas Riker said it as well. THAT is continuity....after all, they're identical.
I almost have a feeling that some people literally cannot see the stretching - they have been watching stretched video (typically 4:3 to 16:9) for so long that they've not only gotten used to it, but subconsciously correct for it.
One thing i find which doesn't get mentioned often, if at all, is the helmsman of the Defiant. The Defiant was one of the first ships to meet the Borg Cube as far as I am aware and while dozen of ships have been decimated, he kept her going all the way to Earth. Don't get me wrong, Worf probably ordered certain evasion patterns, engineers kept her heart going etc. but unless it was cut in a way we don't see it, Worf is already on the floor when the Defiant makes that last attack run but the Pilot just keeps going and firing without any shown hesitation nor protests the order to commit suicide by ramming the cube. Makes me wonder just how battle-hardened that officer is as I believe this is meant to take place during the Dominion War and hope any ship he transferred to after this can appreciate his skill.
Assuming he survived the movie. The survivors were beamed on to the Enterprise that became infested with Borg. He must be thinking, "This day is getting worse all the time"
This strill brings tingles !!! saw this in the cinema with my dad at the age of 12 !!! it was epic then !! and this still look good now im now 39!!!!! where has the time gone !!
@@Super_B1 Picard still had balls back then, and command, and dignity. And his over-the-top Captain Ahab crusade in this movie actually had some real relevance to his character's historical narrative.
@@Super_B1 Maybe because they weren't "real" Borg - as in, they weren't part of the Collective. Picard's hatred in this movie seems to indirectly focus on hurting the Borg Queen who was entirely absent in that episode. As he said himself, the Federation endures endless Borg assaults, Borg keep on taking ships and populations and entire worlds. Losing Earth - his home, his family, his history - is unacceptable. He's grown to specially cherish those things, especially as more of them get ripped away from him in each movie.
Everyone in the audience cheered when the Defiant made its onscreen appearance. People today tend to forget how popular that ship was on DS9. The only gripe with that is they couldn't have shilled out enough money to get Dax and Chief OBrien to be in the movie also?
They should have at least gotten O'Brien, he was a past member of the Enterprise crew just like Worf. It would have made perfect sense for him to have been on the Defiant.
@@rreagan007 It is my understanding that in canon, Worf was visiting his parents on Earth so he could be as far away from Keiko as possible while she gave birth to her and Obriens second child. So it would not have made much sense within the context of why Worf and the Defiant were at Earth to begin with.
@@Avalanche041 That makes no sense. The Defiant is a battleship, not a shuttle. Worf might be granted the use of a runabout to visit Earth, but not the Defiant.
Avalanche041 hmmm that makes me wonder if this took place around the time of Keiko’s labor, because I really don’t remember. If this really is then, he really took that date to heart.
My best friend has never seen a Star Trek episode. took him to watch this movie, loved it. especially with the Star Wars 20th anniversary teaser trailer. Best Star Trek enemy ever!
I think that intangible something is a combination of what we used to call "setting", "plot", "narrative", and "character". They used to pay attention to those things. Now they just gloss it all over with eye-candy FX.
@@pwnmeisterage I agree with what you say, but with respect, I’m referring to how “clean” it looks, not just the ships but the implants, models and so on, it looks “real”
@@TheCaptainSplatter The movie's actually rated PG-13. I usually don't watch R rated movies because they're inappropriate for most people and children. The ONLY appropriate R rated action movies that my parents let me watch are "Predator" [1987], "Toy Soldiers" [1991], and "Air Force One" [1997] as they mostly have shooting, blood, language, and most importantly: NO inappropriate nude sex scenes/images [it disgusts and disturbs me very greatly].
Love First Contact. Favorite Trek movie by far. It has it all, and is one of the rare stories where you see Picard being a physical bad ass in addition to his normal intellectual bad ass. Don't get me wrong, telling off aliens by using subparagraphs of treaties is funny and all, but staring down Worf and killing Borg is in a class by itself.
Something tells me they dimmed the light on the Defiant bridge set for the same reason they darkened the Enterprise D set in Generations; the set was made for TV, and showing it in full brightness on cinema screens would show imperfections, thus the set had to be shot in dim light. Except here they gave a good reason why the lights were out, because the ship was damaged.
I saw this in the theater. When Picard said red alert, all hands to battle stations, engage, with a new enterprise to go into battle with, I said hell ya....GET SOME.
A movie I absolutly wish I woulda seen in theaters. I instead watched Nemesis in theaters, while it was okay, it didn't meet the level of quality as this one. I think this movie is probably the best of them all. The only thing I wish more of is a longer space battle in the beginning.
After the Big E jumps to warp, you see an apparently undamaged Cube heading toward Earth, with no sign of any remaining operational starships around, combined with that sinister music.... the absolutely most bone chilling few seconds in movie history... Then the quantum torpedoes start slamming into the Cube, and the audience starts breathing again, unaware that they had stopped breathing.... THAT, everyone, is the awesome power that Star Trek has....
Yes, it is pretty cool. I still get chills when Worf declares, "Perhaps today is a good day to die!" Followed by the order, "Prepare for ramming speed!" If I was under his command I would do as ordered and tell him, "Perhaps we will meet in Sto-Vo- Kor Commander, it's been an honor Sir!" Then kiss my ugly ass goodbye! LOL No one else would!
0:40: Wow that escalated quickly. It only took the Borg 3 seconds to break through the Federation fleet's defensive perimeter. And about 6 seconds to destroy the first Federation starship.
Yea. I always thought it was a bit rushed. A couple of minutes compressed into a couple of seconds. The sequence of the battle was speeded up for pacing in the movie.
There is a video analysing the battle with additional information somewhere on CZcams, apparently Starfleet had set up multiple perimeters that would damage the cube as much as possible and then retreat. All in all they did much better than the last time but it is still the Borg and they definitely didn't just sit with their hands under their asses the entire time, this cube was definitely stronger than the last one that came for earth.
I've always wonder what the exact speed is for "ramming speed". Is that a certain setting on the speed controls? Wouldn't ramming speed just be the same as fastest speed possible?
@@dongilleo9743 I agree. Ram them with the best possible speed.A defiant class starship impacting a borg cube at 25% o 5% the speed of light would do some damage.
talltomtube There’s the impact damage, and then the warp core explosion damage as well. Warp core explosions have always been shown to do MASSIVE damage.
All this is assuming the Borg would let the Defiant ram their Cube in the first place. I can't imagine the Borg haven't had someone try to ram a Cube sometime in the past. Defiant has no weapons, no shields, and no main power. As soon as the Borg detected the Defiant moving in, they would give it priority attention, hold it in place with a tractor beam, and quickly blast it to pieces.
Patrick Stewart's look of anguished anticipation when they're listening in to the fleet being attacked is fantastic. Part old fragile man, part cunning strategist.
Part desperation. He already understood what each side brought to the battle and what the inevitable results would be. But still clinging to an (unreasonable) hope that maybe his side would somehow still prevail.
This movie got me into Star Trek. It was the first Star Trek moment. Of course, it's a bit of a wrong start, but tbh, I loved it. I watched Cpt Kirk's adventures, Cpt Picard's, Cpt Janeway's and Cpt Archer's. Atm I'm busy with the DS9 series. But The Borg in Voyager was awesome. I missed some of the thrill and excitment in TNG of the Borg. Nevertheless, I loved the show.
I could watch an hour long battle with the borg!!!! Would have loved the battle sequence to have been even longer. It was really awesome. And even better now that I can pause it and analyze everything frame by frame
Anyone else think, when the defiant helms office says “there’s another starship coming in....... it’s the enterprise” we should of seen the enterprise drop out of warp firing her weapons!?
I would say it should have been this scene but with the Enterprise intercepting a borg torpedo barrage heading for the defiant which wouldve destroyed it. As is, the scene feels a little weak.
Yup classic Trek. Never doing what should be done. "I'm taking command of the fleet, fire on these coordinates but not yet.........wait until I tell you, because we have lots of time here, no worries" . "Oh hey a little ship has left the big ship. Follow it for a while, don't call in more help........and do NOT fire at it. It seems to be making some kind of temporal wake...........follow but do NOT I repeat do NOT destroy it before it can finish doing what it's doing." lol.
That whole scene was and is amazing, but not seeing the battle and only having the audio only adds to the dread. The starfleet defence fleet sounds so confident before the engagement it gives us a false sense of security. The borg voice coming in, then the collapse of the fleet seconds later.
Kia ora from New Zealand.long time subscriber and watcher first time commenter. How many trekkers here wish they sounded like the BORG also it was the first time I saw the Akira Class (U.S.S THUNDERCHILD) and it was Love at first sight
"Target all of your weapons onto these coordinates. Ok I'm just going to wait until some more of you are blown up. Ok wait for it...one more ship destroyed.....and FIRE!"
TROI: "Will, open a channel to the fleet." RIKER: "Channel open." TROI: "This is Counsellor Troi of the Enterprise. I'm taking command of the fleet's emotional health. I know everyone is a little discouraged right now, ... perhaps feeling a little guilty that their ship hasn't been blown up yet by the Borg. I understand and feel your pain. Let's all take a minute and practice our breathing exercises." PICARD: "What the ..."
Nope. You'll learn that about most organizations. They never regret ANY erroneous decisions they make like that, and will NEVER admit to it. No matter the losses or cost.
The fear along with the fact that that Picard had been previously assimilated was that they would lose their new toy and all the advancements that had come to it with to the Borg...The thing is 🤔 if they were already at our doorstep wouldn't THEN have been the time to play our trump card?
Star Trek Films top 3: 1. Wrath of Khan 2. The Undiscovered Country 3. First Contact
undiscovered country? Are you out of your mind? That was like the worst out of all of them. Generations and Voyage Home were far better!
I'mma +1 that list. All 3 of those are so close together that they could hold the same place for me. 👍🏼
Equal 1&2. First Contact & Insurrection. 3 and on equal. Everything else...
@@DavidJohnsonFromSeattle what??? why?
@@DavidJohnsonFromSeattleno the worst one was Final Frontier. That film was so bad it nearly ended the franchise.
"Captain....Earth."
"What is it?"
"It's a big planet with oceans and a moon, but that's not important right now."
You can't a guess for another 2 hours?
@@danielguth5777 I will. And don't call me Shirley.
@@evrbody
*"We're in a totally different timeline altogether!"*
*" W e ' r e i n a t o t a l l y d i f f e r e n t t i m e l i n e . . . "*
Does anyone here speak Borg?
Data: “To hell with our orders”
"Captain, the Admiral's ship has been destroyed."
"Well, goodbye court martial!"
Actually the admiral lived, because he later shows up on "Voyager".
Then again, hiding out 300+ years in the past is a good way to avoid a court martial too
BYERE Just saying, they were focused on stopping the Borg from assimilating Earth and changing history, but I guess following orders really does take a much bigger precedence.
@@toddsmitts Admiral janeway talked to picard in this film, so this is post voyager
@@grigss3027No that was Nemesis not First Contact
After nearly a quarter of a century, this movie still looks fantastic. It's the Jurassic Park of Star Trek films.
Matt Hintz My God...has it been that long? I remember seeing it in the theatre.
@@Tigerman1138 1996. Saw it in theaters, too. I was 10 at the time - well, I was 9, I'd turn 10 later that year.
You obvious forgot Wrath of Khan.
@@Y2Kr4SHM4N I was mostly referring to the look of the film, not all of its qualities. But, to be fair, I was waiting for one of these comments. Truth is, I think most of the Star Trek movies have aged well in terms of their special effects. The first movie has that classic 1970s feel, and you can feel the scope and money invested into the film. Wrath of Khan continues to make use of those tried-and-true special effects, but you could also tell the budget had been slashed, but Nicholas Meyer knew how to use what he had. Star Trek VI, I think is the best looking Trek movie with the original line-up, and like First Contact, has visually aged very, very well, not just in effects, but in costumes, lighting, styles, etc. Those are two special movies.
It's because lighting for TV programs was garbage in the 1990s.
Two more ships got destroyed while Picard made the dramatic pause before ordering the fleet to fire. I had good friends on both of those ships.
LOL
He was giving them time to get their weapons ready
"Perhaps today IS a good day to die. RAMMING SPEED!!" Gotta love Worf.
A true Klingon, through and through.
Shame the subtitles proclaim "Prepare for rubbing speed!"
@@AdamSmith-kq6ys Worf is always horny
Best line in Trek. EVER!
I love the look of amazement and slight disappointment when the Enterprise shows up, no glorious death for Mr. Worf today!
All these years latter and that borg hail is still just as terrifying.
So sad though that they crapped on Picard in the new Picard TV series, which they said they did intentionally to "humble Picard and make him acknowledge and account for his privilege", presumably as a white male and by extension shame all of his fans for liking the Picard character in the past.
@@BoopSnoot "account for his privilege"
And that right there is why i knew that show would be bad. And didnt follow it from the start.
@White Rice I've not seen that anywhere, nor does the show reflect that in any way.
@Nihulistic99th Still not sure where in the show that was supposed to happen.
Oh, I love the internet.
Riker- you do remember how to fire phasers?
Worf- yeah. I also remember how to take yo girl
Worf: don't tell my wife though.
Oohhhh! Torpedo's fired!
What a stupid joke at that moment
Worf is Mr. Steal ya girl
@@neptune04 Isn't Jadzia allready dead during those events?
I remember seeing this movie in the theater. When data said his line of "to hell with our orders" there was applause and laughter from everyone there. Same reaction from the crowd with "perhaps today is a good day to die. Prepare for ramming speed!" One of the dynamics that's missed now a days by not going to the theater.
Yes, yes. almost like the previous movie, the O SHIT the Theater exploded.
Exactly!!🖖
Bill down in engineering who absolutely would object.: "I wonder why we're going to red alert?"
Very well said…
What are the title of this movie 🎥, somehow I seem to have missed this installment in the timeline?
The look on Data’s face when Picard says “trust me” is priceless.
Its like he wanted to say "say no more"
And the look that Worf gives Riker when he asks him, "You still remember how to fire phasers?"
@@karlsmith2570 u wot m8
Data thinking:
"Oh yeah, don't mind me. I'm just a gazillion-dollar mega-computer on legs. What the flip do I know?"
Then again, the trust is mutual...
"Sir, drop the shields!" (S5E11)
I've always loved the look Worf gave Riker when he said "You do remember how to fire phasers.." 😆
The is the equivalent to a Klingon as saying "Can you still get it up?"
It is some years since I read the novelization. There Worf answers "It's the GREEN button, isn't it?", I believe 😆.
“Sure, don’t you remember the time I took a tough little ship and kicked the Borg’s as….ah, maybe that’s a bad example.”
Ikr
Also, what was Riker thinking? Hey, here is a (Klingon) captain with most of his crew massacred and who just a few minutes ago was preparing to lead the few survivors to mass suicide? Now would be a perfect time to mess with him! it makes sense in the lighter tone of the series but when you look at it from a slighlt more realistic point of view it is just plain silly, isn't it?
3:18 This is Captain Picard of the Enterprise "I'm taking command of the fleet" Boss level: Maximum.
Starfleet Regulation 191 (Article 14): In a combat situation involving more than one ship, command falls to the vessel with tactical superiority, should there not be a higher ranking officer present.
If the TNG writers and producers were braver, they would have promoted Picard to Admiral after Best of Both Worlds and made Riker captain of the Enterprise, with either Data or a certain blonde firecracker for his XO. Would have been plenty of ways to keep Picard on the screen, and really establish progression with the characters in the series.
My point being, Picard continuously showed ability in being a fleet commander, both in the series and here.
He's commanding the flagship of the Federation. That makes him the superior of every other captain in the fleet. He's merely exercising that privilege, there is absolutely no badassery here, just an acknowledgement of facts.
@@dominic.h.3363 True...but Picard is still badass just being Picard. His taking of command here and what he does next simply highlights that.
I can just imagine the rest of the captain's going "Oh shit it's Picard follow everything he says"
“They’re creating a temporal vortex”
“Time travel”
Ryker is always standing by ready to translate the jargon of educated crew members into shit-kicker English.
#1 shit kicker
Died
Like blowing up a balloon!
Riker
Troi's job is to point out hidden motives and subtle feelings.
Riker's job is to point out the blatant and obvious ones. "Charming women," "not very chatty..."
Still the best opening sequence in any Star Trek film, and in my opinion, the best Star Trek film to date.
Don’t forget the opening scene of Generations !! Both great Star Trek movies.
@@gordiebrooks generations was awful. Gimme wrath of kahn any day
Interestingly They wanted to spend more and on the opening battle, make it longer, and make it more impressive but the budget restrictions meant it wasn’t possible.
No, the opening sequence of Star Trek the Motion Picture with the Klingon attack run on V'ger is better. And you can hear the theme music from that in this scene, probably in homage.
let's be clear the best Star Trek movie is wrath of KHAAAAAAAAN
I always loved how the Enterprise shows up and Picard just goes "Screw the chain of command. I'm taking over the fleet." And everyone just agrees and does as he commands.
He must be one of the moat senior captain..... And he command the largest and tech advance ship
Also, who doesn't know who Picard is? He's been through this before, he knows the borg, and has the best chance there and getting them through
The Admiral's ship was destroyed. The Enterprise being the flagship and Picard the most senior Captain put him in charge of the fleet.
And it’s like the conversation with Janeway and Ransom had. In a combat situation command falls onto the ship with tactical superiority. Granted that regulation is for two ships but we can assume that it also applies in a situation like this.
In a military engagement, the most capable vessel in the fleet assumes command when chain of command is broken. That is standard practice.
I never had an issue with that scene. It makes totally sense, and is actually exactly what every captain probably was aware of. In real life its exactly the same in most armies of the planet.
Mr Worf we need help at tactical......Enterprise E tactical officer starts crying and runs off the bridge.
Just remember... the E's quantum fish are what finally blew up the borg cube, making the unnamed tactical officer that got 'run off' by Worf the first and only person to actually destroy a Borg cube with conventional weapons......
Not to mention that there was less need for a tactical officer in the first place, now that that battle was over. It wasn’t like the Enterprise was going back in time to fight half the Romulan fleet or something.
@@johnbarone7602 in the heat of a battle scenario like that, they don't have time for any issues at all. It's not uncommon at all to place the most experienced officer quickly where they can most efficiently use their knowledge to benefit the ship.
It's very easy for them to utilize the less experienced officer for tasks elsewhere on the ship. And tactically, it's the right choice.
Now.....I don't see him pulling someone like crusher off the helm though if he was there at the time..... for the fact that Picard knows he's an ace pilot.
@@martinw4330 You missed my main point, which was that the cube was already blown up, so there wasn’t as much a need for firing things as there was before. Tactical is weapons, right?
@@johnbarone7602 The fight wasn't over yet, remember they still had the sphere to deal with. It made sense to have Worf take over, and I'm sure the person who was there realized it. Besides there are other ways that crewmember could help
Mannnn the scene with the Defiant eating sh*t and Worf getting ready to ram a cube gets me every time.
Not because he was so willing to die in combat, but because it shows you immediately how willing to LIVE he was when his friends joined the fight and he knew they would win.
God I love that scene
Absolutely true! Didn't think about it like that!
Was that the O'Brien maneuver they did, rocking back and forth?
The Enterprise-E kicking Borg-ass is what made me fall in love with the Sovereign-Class.
Same
I was so bummed when the Enterprise-D was destroyed in the last movie but quickly got over it after seeing the Sovereign Class Enterprise-E. It's a sexy starship.
I just found out Captain Data eventually loses the Enterprise-E to species 8472... Which made my sun shine a little less bright today 😒
@@blkhemi3925 When did that happen, is that canon?
@@ABW941 The short story "Unexpected Honor", written for issue 40 of Star Trek Magazine in May 2012, revealed that the Enterprise-E was destroyed in an ambush by the Undine (species 8472) at Starbase 236 in 2408. Captain Data was offered the command of the Odessy Class Enterprise-F but turned it down because he had Post Traumatic Stress disorder over the loss of his ship and crew. He subsequently retired from Star fleet to teach. (I guess we will find out if this is actually canon in the new Picard series)
This whole scene is awesome, but I love when the Defiant’s helmsman announces the Enterprise’s arrival at 2:31. That name is so powerful that it immediately boosts morale.
And Worf stands up out of respect.
That helmsman was expecting the enterprise to bring him the calzones he ordered.
Seeing it in the theater when the Enterprise arrives and sweeps across the screen was epic!! Everyone was cheering!!❤🖖
Picard:Beam the Defiant survivors aboard
Data:And the people from other heavily damaged ships?
Picard:Screw 'em. Those ships are full of red shirts.
Wouldn’t the Enterprise have to drop shields in order to beam the survivors aboard? Not a sound tactical strategy when facing a cube.
@@Ihaveaglitch They would need to do the same with the Defiant survivors. And it was meant as a joke anyway.
@@Ihaveaglitch in Voyager time and time again they beam stuff through their shields (until they can't), beaming through shields is an old thing by this time.
That's pretty funny
@@jdb2002 I believe in the 24th century it's yellow shirts who died all the time. Remember Engineering and command switch colors because reasons.
I just love the fact that as soon as the Enterprise arrives, Worf stands to meet his old captain.
I love how Goldsmith brought back his own "Klingon Battle" number from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" as a leitmotif for Worf!
I love how the stardate implies that this was during the DS9 episode "Blaze of Glory" when Sisko was with Eddington in the Badlands. The Borg timed their attack to avoid him. "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surr... is his gone? Are we SURE the Sisko is not there? Phew! Surrender your ships..."
Also the Defiant is not used for much of that episode and Worf is not seen so conceivably they could be at the battle.
If that's the case, then he should be wearing the crest for the House of Martok rather than the Son of Mogh, but he doesn't do so in the TNG films until Insurrection.
I think it makes more sense that this movie takes place during the first half of DS9 Season 5, and the stardate is just a continuity error.
Deborah Everton (costume designer) and Michael Westmore (makeup effects) outdid themselves in creating a new look for the Borg. They are much more organic and creepier than before. Of course, having a movie budget to play with also helps. Voyager had to wait until after the movie premiere (around the end of Season 3) to bring the Borg there. Plus, I like the cool-looking Starfleet ships they created for the movie (the Akira, Steamrunner, and Saber classes). Best TNG-era movie, hands down.
You mean Voyager had to wait 3 years to ruin and emasculate the Borg.
Don't forget that there was a subspace interdimensional portal which brought the Millennium Falcon from *Star Wars* into the attack too
@@Bitchslapper316 Voyager made the Borg even better, a real credible threat spanning thousands of light years with some consistent lore rather than some far off nebulous thing that occasionally pops up and can be beaten with the power of friendship.
@@Milamberinx "Developing" a character or in this case a race in more detail doesn't always make it better. Voyager took a mysterious seemingly unstoppable force of nature and turned them into an every day run of the mill star trek alien. By the end of the series they were no more intimidating then the Romulans.
A good example is Voyager alone being able to go toe to toe with a Borg tactical cube, the Borg equivalent of a warship. In the past regular Borg cubes were able to take on and destroy entire fleets of advanced federation star ships. The mere siting of a single cube caused panic and terror across the quadrant. In Voyager? 10 Borg cubes? No be deal, go to warp.
@@Bitchslapper316 That's not a good example. They didn't go toe to toe. They didn't even leave a scratch on the tactical cube. Voyager got the shit kicked out of it just so three crewmembers could voluntarily get assimilated. Freaking bonkers, and scary as hell. Boldly going indeed.
Did enjoy seeing the anti-borg ships working together like they are suppose to.
I've never noticed that before.
Star fleet crews are not as suicidal as the klagons. That cube would not have come close to its mission, any heavily damaged klagon ship would have rammed the cube.
It is all about survival no matter the race or culture they all fight for a common goal: keeping their individuality or "humanity" one might say. A common enemy is a powerful force that draws people toghether
@@danielaramburo7648 who in the hell are the klagons?
@@gatecitten Mortal enemies of the Romuloids
Picard: We must go back, repair any damage they have done!
Riker: Even if that means ensuring Wesley is born?
Picard: We must go back, repair most the damage they have done!
🤣🤣🤣
Lmao
Mean! But true
East to spot the window-lickers who are still so jealous of Wesley's intellect.
Wesley was a nuisance...
Nothing like his mother, Dr. Crusher
The timelines got messed cause Mr Hawke ended up in the 30's fighting Hydra with Captain America.
And fighting Oliver Queen as Damien Darhk.
@@richardgott4027 & Barry Allen running around, messing with time travel & ruining people's lives XD
@@adu1991 goddamn it, Barry. lol
I understand that reference
he joined easy company for a few years in ww2
For once, there's actually a good explanation for Worf to be on the Enterprise after he transferred to DS9.
I'm okay with the explanation in Nemesis. Like he'd miss the wedding.
@@Coolman13355 I'm thinking of another movie where it wasn't explained. Someone asked Worf why he's there and then Worf didn't have time to answer. Maybe Insurrection?
@@andymounthood I don't remember the details of Insurrection, but yeah whatever it was was convenient.
@@Coolman13355, according to Worf, he was on Manzar Colony overseeing the installation of a new defense system. The Enterprise was in the vicinity,so he decided to hitch a ride with them.
What about an explanation for the rest of the DS9 crew?
The best movie of he franchise. Loved the “E”.
Data saying "to hell with our orders" was like that moment in Star Trek 6 when Spock said "I believe if I were human my response would be go to hell. If I were human."
I love that the Klingon battle theme played when word popped up !!!
When worf popped up
I didn't even notice that!
I just noticed
yes, back then, when directors actually gave a crap about their film - nowadays the film is just filling the gaps between explosions
@@jackbrown3691 don't forget lens flare diarrhea.
Regarding Picard's statement of "violating our orders", remember a statement from a TNG episode (I don't recall exactly which one): "Starfleet doesn't want officers who'll blindly follow orders without analyzing the situation"; and in my opinion disregarding their orders is a perfect example of doing so.
and you remember in TNG when he shouted at Wesley 4 not following orders to force people from there homes ...... seems picard should find and say sorry to him now
That was "Redemption, Part II," when Data was assigned temporary command of the _Sutherland_ in Picard's blockade of the Romulans.
And from another episode
"There are times, sir, when men of good conscience cannot blindly follow orders"
@@robert23456789 he probably did by Nemesis. He was back and a Full Lieutenant then as he attended Riker and Troi's wedding.
@@chrismc410 was Weasley in nemisis
Picard: "Fire on this spot"
Fleet: "Why?"
Picard: "its their thermal exhaust port"
In a few decades, we'll get a movie based primarily on the idea of explaining why that weak spot was there.
@@willvgo2950 All ships have some weak spots. That's just how anything is designed/built. And despite that it is completely unlike the thermal exhaust port situation where one lucky fighter craft could lob two torpedoes to destroy the entire station.
This "weak" sport was well hidden (Data said that it had no critical systems, so he and sensors were fooled).
But more importantly, it took the combined firepower of an entire (and quite capable and well armed) fleet to take advantage of that "weak" spot.
Anything that requires combined firepower of a fleet to destroy is not a weak spot.
@@domoncar6782 I realize that. There is a big difference between 2 small torpedoes launched from a fighter & dozens of large torpedoes launched from several ships. I was joking based on the original comment that seemed to be referencing the first Death Star & then the idea that Rogue One was centered around explaining it.
Nicely done
@@domoncar6782 It could of been a spot that was less protected at the time due to the borg cube diverting resources to other areas.
It just so happened that the exposed area was near a system that would start a cascade failure throughout the cube.
“Sensors so chronometric particles emanating from the sphere”
But in case you didn’t understand that
“They’re creating a temporal vortex”
But in case you didn’t understand that
“Time travel”
I don't get it. Could you explain further?
@@poppers7317😂😂😂
Kelsey Grammar still captain of the starship Bozeman.....outstanding
Great small detail they put in. LOVE IT
Really? What’s the time stamp of that? I never noticed that.
@@artman2oo3 0:14 ish
Madcap Magician Hey. That’s pretty neat!
Isn't the bozeman like 100 years old? What was it even doing there.
One of the fastest flights ever. From the Romulan Neutral Zone to earth within minutes. Must be Warp 9.999999995.
And transporters now work with raised shields. Big improvements.
Considering the Defiant was disabled when they arrived, and that the Enterprise left nearly at the start of the battle, time certainly had passed. And consider we see the Enterprise taking no hits after it shielded the Defiant, and that it was moving away from the cube, they had probably gotten out of range or made themselves a less appealing target in order for them to drop the shields.
Pretty sure we saw them make those improvements to the shields early on in Voyager and DS9, so it makes sense the Sovereign Class would have that same capability.
Like all Federation vessels there's 2-3 speeds at warp, maximum warp that poses no danger to the ship (The Enterprise E's highest recorded and canon is warp 8 but other sources are in the range of 9.5-9.9), maximum warp that puts a fair deal of stress on the ship but can be sustained for a period of time (usually 0.5-1.0 more than maximum standard at varying lengths depending on the vessel) and then the last one is pushing it into the realm of "if we keep this up for a half hour there won't be a ship left" and if you choose option 3 then it's a gamble what will fail first, the warp core or the structure of the vessel.
Also, canonically you can transport through shields if you know their frequency
best film of the TNG movies....
Well the other 3 were mediocre at best
Best film of ALL the Trek movies!
@@toddsmitts Yup, best out of all of them
Finally people I agree with. Praise the First Contact
That's a low bar. All of the TNG movies were pretty terrible.
"Perhaps today IS a good day to die!!!" Absolutely LOVE Worf.
In the DS9 timeline, was Jadzia still alive at this point? If so, I'm surprised she wasn't on the Defiant. Or O'Brien!
"I'm about to commit a direct violation of our orders, any of you wish to object should do so now, it will be noted in my log!"
........I think when Earth, your home planet is in grave danger and is in clear need of assistance, orders can go out the window!
"Starfleet doesn't want officers who will just blindly follow orders, without analysing the situation first." - Jean Luc Picard.
"The claim 'I was only following orders' was used to justify too many tradegies in our history."
I love it when the guy in charge just states- I am going to do some shit that will get me/us in big trouble, if you want no part - please speak up.
Data: To hell with our orders.
Very human of him to say that.
Hes giving any crewmen a chance to voice whether they want to be complicit or not. Obviously, Picard is right in his actions, but its still a violation of the chain of command. It shows Picards abilty to empathize any scenario presented to him. Like the diplomat he is.
@@theInfamousWraith sorry my friend but there's only one Captain they got balls and it ain't John Luke Picard is Captain John Sheridan especially when he was out of bullets and said give me ramming speed baby Star Trek stole everything from Babylon 5
czcams.com/video/MXkIuVLnsFE/video.html
3:08
Riker: *solemnly* Sir, the Admiral's ship has been destroyed.
Picard: *sarcastic af* Oh, drat! If only we'd got here sooner! *plays tiny violin*
Dozens of starfleet vessels destroyed and thousands of lives lost in a desperate battle but Riker still finds time to tease and have laugh at Worf's expense.
What I like most about this scene is Picard is like "I'm taking command" and everyone's just "..yeh, that's cool"
If all the flag rank officers are dead and Capt. Pickard is senior to all the other surviving Captains (rank NOT CO's...smaller ships might be commanded by commanders or even Lt. Commanders...), THEN HE IS IN COMMAND as an acting Commodore...
He has the flag ship of the federation its the number one ship so he is the number one captain
I love that shot of the E coming up and just launching 3 quantum torpedo's at the cube. The E was a great ship.
I wish they would make star trek like this again.
Beyond was very good.
@@kaicreech7336 I wasn't a big fan of Beyond myself. I really liked 2009 and into darkness though. I really would have liked to see a finished extended directors cut of 2009. There was a lot of cool stuff in that movie that was deleted or unfinished.
Old trek had a balance of story and action. Nutrek, to include Abrams trek is all action. Zero story
@@bjornjoseph Someone didnt see Picard S3. Too busy being a hater
6 minutes and 16 seconds of pure joy and emotion. Goosebumps on 3 occasions.
"Tough little ship." "Little?" Such a great exchange.
Thomas Riker said that when he stolen the Defiant in DS9
Compare to the Enterprise E the Defiant is a little ship. 😁
There are like three versions of this on CZcams, each with a problem, low sound, small screen, or missing bits. This one has none of those. Great job. Fun fact - Frakes "tough little ship" comment isn't the first time he has said it about the Defiant....Thomas Riker said it as well. THAT is continuity....after all, they're identical.
You missed the stretchy screen effect
I almost have a feeling that some people literally cannot see the stretching - they have been watching stretched video (typically 4:3 to 16:9) for so long that they've not only gotten used to it, but subconsciously correct for it.
Refreshing seeing Picard actually fighting back and not giving speeches in his ready room.
Excellent movie.
One of my favorite Star Trek films
Same here too along with Nemesis.
MINE too
@@SelenaMulan Thank you.
I wanted to blend in"
Oh you're blended alright."
@@SelenaMulan Thank you again. What do you think of Season 1 and Season 2 of "Star Trek: Discovery?"
One thing i find which doesn't get mentioned often, if at all, is the helmsman of the Defiant. The Defiant was one of the first ships to meet the Borg Cube as far as I am aware and while dozen of ships have been decimated, he kept her going all the way to Earth. Don't get me wrong, Worf probably ordered certain evasion patterns, engineers kept her heart going etc. but unless it was cut in a way we don't see it, Worf is already on the floor when the Defiant makes that last attack run but the Pilot just keeps going and firing without any shown hesitation nor protests the order to commit suicide by ramming the cube. Makes me wonder just how battle-hardened that officer is as I believe this is meant to take place during the Dominion War and hope any ship he transferred to after this can appreciate his skill.
And of course, the Helmsman for the Defiant is actor Adam Scott! from Parks and Recreation and Hot Tub Time Machine 2!"
Assuming he survived the movie. The survivors were beamed on to the Enterprise that became infested with Borg. He must be thinking, "This day is getting worse all the time"
Only Riker could joke with Worf!😂❤
This strill brings tingles !!! saw this in the cinema with my dad at the age of 12 !!! it was epic then !! and this still look good now im now 39!!!!! where has the time gone !!
When Picard was still Picard.....
When Star Trek was still Star Trek.
This was when Picard started to not be Picard from the TV show anymore.
@@Super_B1 Picard still had balls back then, and command, and dignity. And his over-the-top Captain Ahab crusade in this movie actually had some real relevance to his character's historical narrative.
@@pwnmeisterage I agree with the over top but out of place. Why didn't he feel this way during the episode Decent when they met the Borg again?
@@Super_B1 Maybe because they weren't "real" Borg - as in, they weren't part of the Collective. Picard's hatred in this movie seems to indirectly focus on hurting the Borg Queen who was entirely absent in that episode.
As he said himself, the Federation endures endless Borg assaults, Borg keep on taking ships and populations and entire worlds. Losing Earth - his home, his family, his history - is unacceptable. He's grown to specially cherish those things, especially as more of them get ripped away from him in each movie.
I love how the Klingon theme plays when Worf is on screen. Great little touch.
Everyone in the audience cheered when the Defiant made its onscreen appearance. People today tend to forget how popular that ship was on DS9. The only gripe with that is they couldn't have shilled out enough money to get Dax and Chief OBrien to be in the movie also?
They should have at least gotten O'Brien, he was a past member of the Enterprise crew just like Worf. It would have made perfect sense for him to have been on the Defiant.
@@rreagan007 It is my understanding that in canon, Worf was visiting his parents on Earth so he could be as far away from Keiko as possible while she gave birth to her and Obriens second child. So it would not have made much sense within the context of why Worf and the Defiant were at Earth to begin with.
@@Avalanche041 That makes no sense. The Defiant is a battleship, not a shuttle. Worf might be granted the use of a runabout to visit Earth, but not the Defiant.
Chief O'Brien would have been an excellent choice as he was an integral part of the episode Best of Both Worlds.
Avalanche041 hmmm that makes me wonder if this took place around the time of Keiko’s labor, because I really don’t remember. If this really is then, he really took that date to heart.
My best friend has never seen a Star Trek episode. took him to watch this movie, loved it. especially with the Star Wars 20th anniversary teaser trailer. Best Star Trek enemy ever!
Theres something about this film that makes it look absolutely fantastic, literally looks better than most films from 2019
Physical sets don’t age badly like CG does
I think that intangible something is a combination of what we used to call "setting", "plot", "narrative", and "character". They used to pay attention to those things. Now they just gloss it all over with eye-candy FX.
@@pwnmeisterage I agree with what you say, but with respect, I’m referring to how “clean” it looks, not just the ships but the implants, models and so on, it looks “real”
these days they can't restrain themselves from having a constantly moving camera and way too much going on in the scene.
I think Data was about to say “f*** our orders” and thought better of it
thats pretty much what he meant
Well the movie isn't rated R I believe so he would only get a complimentary one F word.
Yep.
@@TheCaptainSplatter The movie's actually rated PG-13. I usually don't watch R rated movies because they're inappropriate for most people and children. The ONLY appropriate R rated action movies that my parents let me watch are "Predator" [1987], "Toy Soldiers" [1991], and "Air Force One" [1997] as they mostly have shooting, blood, language, and most importantly: NO inappropriate nude sex scenes/images [it disgusts and disturbs me very greatly].
It's what I would've said. :-)
"Set a course for earth, Maximum warp!"
Me: Chills, literal chills.
Agh this still sends chills down my spine. It was momentous then and it still is now.
You can hear Kelsey Grammer say acknowledged after they tell the Bozeman and defiant to pull back.
Funny how Capt Morgan lived in the past only to be brought into the future to fight the damn Borg!
He went uncredited but it was definitely him
I think it’s Michael Dorn as Worf on the Defiant.
@@matthenson3472 I always thought that too.. but Michael Dorn said it wasn't him
@@matthenson3472 no it wasn't. It was sisko. 🤫
I was never in the military/navy but I would go to hell and back with a commander like Jean Luc Picard.
Would you for the man in ST:P?
I wouldnt. Because that is not Jean Luc Picard. That is some jaded broken shadow of a 2022 caricature of a man.
Lt. Hawk , set a course for Earth Maxium Warp - hope you dont mind being a drone....
And then dying at my hands.
@@tonebonebgky2 Well technically he died at Worf's hands
Technically...he IS a red shirt.
I'm sad, he was supposed to get a boyfriend :(
That Borg transmission.
Shivers. Every. Damn. Time.
Wasn't that Leonard Nemoy's voice?
Love First Contact. Favorite Trek movie by far. It has it all, and is one of the rare stories where you see Picard being a physical bad ass in addition to his normal intellectual bad ass. Don't get me wrong, telling off aliens by using subparagraphs of treaties is funny and all, but staring down Worf and killing Borg is in a class by itself.
Something tells me they dimmed the light on the Defiant bridge set for the same reason they darkened the Enterprise D set in Generations; the set was made for TV, and showing it in full brightness on cinema screens would show imperfections, thus the set had to be shot in dim light. Except here they gave a good reason why the lights were out, because the ship was damaged.
Rest peacefully Star Trek.
… back then when Star Trek was captivating, fun, smart, full of hq action and just plain kick-ass. Miss those times.
The Bozeman is the ship that nearly collided with the Enterprise-D a few years before...still captained by Morgan Bateson.
I saw this in the theater. When Picard said red alert, all hands to battle stations, engage, with a new enterprise to go into battle with, I said hell ya....GET SOME.
I had the exact same reaction.
@@pittland44 yeessss
A movie I absolutly wish I woulda seen in theaters. I instead watched Nemesis in theaters, while it was okay, it didn't meet the level of quality as this one. I think this movie is probably the best of them all. The only thing I wish more of is a longer space battle in the beginning.
@@killz0ne215 I feel the same way that the space battle could have been a little bit longer
And everyone wanted you to shut up, I'm sure.
Hey! That's Adam Scott piloting the Defiant!
He wanted to set course for the Catalina Wine Mixer but Worf told him no.
I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed, geez.
This is exactly the reason why Admiral Hayes should've allowed the Enterprise-E to participate in the battle in the first place
After the Big E jumps to warp, you see an apparently undamaged Cube heading toward Earth, with no sign of any remaining operational starships around, combined with that sinister music.... the absolutely most bone chilling few seconds in movie history...
Then the quantum torpedoes start slamming into the Cube, and the audience starts breathing again, unaware that they had stopped breathing....
THAT, everyone, is the awesome power that Star Trek has....
When the Enterprise enters the battle , is the best scene in Star trek history!
Yes, it is pretty cool. I still get chills when Worf declares, "Perhaps today is a good day to die!" Followed by the order, "Prepare for ramming speed!" If I was under his command I would do as ordered and tell him, "Perhaps we will meet in Sto-Vo- Kor Commander, it's been an honor Sir!" Then kiss my ugly ass goodbye! LOL No one else would!
@@rogerauger7766 - I thought it was cool that the bridge crew basically said “Ramming speed. Aye, aye, sir!”
It was a great scene, but the best? How about Commodore Decker in “The Doomsday Machine”?
0:40: Wow that escalated quickly. It only took the Borg 3 seconds to break through the Federation fleet's defensive perimeter. And about 6 seconds to destroy the first Federation starship.
Yea. I always thought it was a bit rushed. A couple of minutes compressed into a couple of seconds. The sequence of the battle was speeded up for pacing in the movie.
There is a video analysing the battle with additional information somewhere on CZcams, apparently Starfleet had set up multiple perimeters that would damage the cube as much as possible and then retreat.
All in all they did much better than the last time but it is still the Borg and they definitely didn't just sit with their hands under their asses the entire time, this cube was definitely stronger than the last one that came for earth.
This is a fabulous film
Simply amazing movie! TNG best movie , great story , great music by the late Jerry Goldsmith and directing by the best Johnathon Frakes !
"Main power offline..."
"Ramming speed!"
" With what? Which part of 'main power's offline' did you not get?.. Sir."
Depending on what you read/timeline emergency impulse drive power is an option. That would move the ship at about 25% the speed of light.
I've always wonder what the exact speed is for "ramming speed". Is that a certain setting on the speed controls? Wouldn't ramming speed just be the same as fastest speed possible?
@@dongilleo9743 I agree. Ram them with the best possible speed.A defiant class starship impacting a borg cube at 25% o 5% the speed of light would do some damage.
talltomtube There’s the impact damage, and then the warp core explosion damage as well. Warp core explosions have always been shown to do MASSIVE damage.
All this is assuming the Borg would let the Defiant ram their Cube in the first place. I can't imagine the Borg haven't had someone try to ram a Cube sometime in the past. Defiant has no weapons, no shields, and no main power. As soon as the Borg detected the Defiant moving in, they would give it priority attention, hold it in place with a tractor beam, and quickly blast it to pieces.
Patrick Stewart's look of anguished anticipation when they're listening in to the fleet being attacked is fantastic. Part old fragile man, part cunning strategist.
Part desperation. He already understood what each side brought to the battle and what the inevitable results would be. But still clinging to an (unreasonable) hope that maybe his side would somehow still prevail.
having the Borg hail just drown out every other communication with that electrical 'growl' in the background was such an amazing choice
The Defiant finally gets to show its Teeth against the Borg like it was meant and built for.
This movie got me into Star Trek. It was the first Star Trek moment. Of course, it's a bit of a wrong start, but tbh, I loved it. I watched Cpt Kirk's adventures, Cpt Picard's, Cpt Janeway's and Cpt Archer's.
Atm I'm busy with the DS9 series. But The Borg in Voyager was awesome. I missed some of the thrill and excitment in TNG of the Borg. Nevertheless, I loved the show.
This battle never gets old. Peek star trek
I could watch an hour long battle with the borg!!!! Would have loved the battle sequence to have been even longer. It was really awesome. And even better now that I can pause it and analyze everything frame by frame
I love that the U.S.S. Boseman with Kelsey Grammar was in this battle!
Anyone else think, when the defiant helms office says “there’s another starship coming in....... it’s the enterprise” we should of seen the enterprise drop out of warp firing her weapons!?
I would say it should have been this scene but with the Enterprise intercepting a borg torpedo barrage heading for the defiant which wouldve destroyed it. As is, the scene feels a little weak.
Yes
Oh please man, this is real Star Trek, not JJ trek
(Even if i had to admit that scene was epic)
Yup classic Trek. Never doing what should be done. "I'm taking command of the fleet, fire on these coordinates but not yet.........wait until I tell you, because we have lots of time here, no worries" . "Oh hey a little ship has left the big ship. Follow it for a while, don't call in more help........and do NOT fire at it. It seems to be making some kind of temporal wake...........follow but do NOT I repeat do NOT destroy it before it can finish doing what it's doing." lol.
I've always felt it was a good thing we got to see the Defiant do what she was designed to do; to fight the Borg.
Thank you Paul!!! For this great historical moment & all of the other fantastic uploads.
U R inimitable
That whole scene was and is amazing, but not seeing the battle and only having the audio only adds to the dread. The starfleet defence fleet sounds so confident before the engagement it gives us a false sense of security. The borg voice coming in, then the collapse of the fleet seconds later.
Data: "to hell with our orders"
Picard: "security please escort Data to the brig"
This was the golden age.
One hell of an Oxo cube, that Borg ship! All that gravy you can make with it!
Kia ora from New Zealand.long time subscriber and watcher first time commenter. How many trekkers here wish they sounded like the BORG also it was the first time I saw the Akira Class (U.S.S THUNDERCHILD) and it was Love at first sight
THAT was the Thunderchild? I read about her destruction,never was mentioned it was Akira Class (in that book). Thanks for the Update.
"Target all of your weapons onto these coordinates. Ok I'm just going to wait until some more of you are blown up. Ok wait for it...one more ship destroyed.....and FIRE!"
TROI: "Will, open a channel to the fleet."
RIKER: "Channel open."
TROI: "This is Counsellor Troi of the Enterprise. I'm taking command of the fleet's emotional health. I know everyone is a little discouraged right now, ... perhaps feeling a little guilty that their ship hasn't been blown up yet by the Borg. I understand and feel your pain. Let's all take a minute and practice our breathing exercises."
PICARD: "What the ..."
So good. Makes me want to watch all of this film again, right now!
First Contact, Wrath of Khan, and Beyond... each era of Star Trek got one great movie.
Bet they all wish they had let Picard play when it started
Nope. You'll learn that about most organizations. They never regret ANY erroneous decisions they make like that, and will NEVER admit to it. No matter the losses or cost.
@@troyjollimore4100 they'll regret it, they just won't let you know they do.
Regardless of how obvious it is.
To be fair, the guy that gave that order (spoiler) is killed in the fight. The ULTIMATE regret!
hell, the arrogance of some of them, he was probably blaming Picard for his death
if that damned Picard hadn't *BOOOOOOOOM*
The fear along with the fact that that Picard had been previously assimilated was that they would lose their new toy and all the advancements that had come to it with to the Borg...The thing is 🤔 if they were already at our doorstep wouldn't THEN have been the time to play our trump card?
But does Worf still remember how to fire phasers?
(Worf has flashbacks from the 'Parallels' episode where he didnt know how to fire phasers) lol
Doesn't matter. He'll still be denied.
"Tough little ship..."
"Little?!"
@@VXGaming "no, mister Worf, we're gonna do the polar opposite of what you just suggested... stupid Klingon..."
It's the Button that says Fire. right?
This is one of the best Star Trek films ever made.
2:39 Fantastic shot of the Enterprise!