14 Felling a Hung Tree, The Hard and Dangerous Way
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2020
- Felling a tree that is hung up in another can be dangerous. This is a demonstration on how to do it the "hard" way, with nothing but a chainsaw. There are safer ways, but this is the traditional method.
Mike and Debbie: I am humbled that you would go to this amount of work to please an old farmer. I now realize that the work of cutting the tree down is only part of the work. Making it into a video entails a lot of time. I have observed that no matter how good you are felling trees that sooner or later, often sooner, that you will get a tree hung up. It is just part of working in the woods. So thanks for this , much appreciated. Speaking of carbon foot print, horse logging is the the best way to go. Did I mention that I have a nice draft colt for sale? Regards Richard
Richard .. you are very welcome, it was fun!! You are right about horse logging being more climate friendly but I already have enough contrary critters to deal with!! Don't tell Debbie!! ..........Mike
He took a lot of grief from armchair YT watchers too!
Yup. Clearing an escape route is a necessary step. Especially if the ground is really muddy. Unfortunately I have to work with a lot of hung up trees. Thank goodness they're not as tall or large in diameter as the tree you worked with. I'm an amateur with a 12" bar and couple of trees closer to 20" in diameter. Many trees I have to pull down because they're so entangled in the canopy. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching and stay safe!!
A good demonstration, and a technique I have used a number of times. I am very aware of the risks, and always wear all the safety gear, clear the work area, and take my time, but I only own a few acres so (as at 15:45) often have few choices for felling and I am not clear cutting a section. Then there were a few trees that storms have pushed over, especially in 2020, that mother nature left up hung up at 30º-60º to vertical. And as Mike said, I am still here - so with care and patience they _can_ be felled safely despite the risks.
Thanks for watching!! Stay safe.
Well done Sir, watching from England.
Thank you!!
Looks like saw chain could use a touch from a file. Those bias-cuts in the hung stem just add more cutting, yielding rounds that won't sit upright on a splitting block. I'd suggest using a winch of whatever type you prefer, to pull the butt away from the tree binding the crown- pretty easy to drop it that way, then cut it up on the ground. 40 cc RedMax or 42 cc Dolmar would really rip through that soft conifer. Merry Christmas.
Dull saws don't grab and stop, it's running rich from the factory tune. All saws should be retuned after running 3-4 tanks through them.
Good job Richard.
Thanks for the knowledge, I have to help my Dad drop a bunch of hung up trees on his property outside of Saint John.
This is NOT a how to. There are much safer ways to getting this tree down. I would suggest that you find someone with experience or study SAFE methods not Dangerous methods. Makes good video, but not necessarily good practice.
Well done for a man of your age right technique didn’t see anything wrong with it keep it up .
Thank you!! Must of been my lucky day!!
Nice little saw you have there, I have one just like it...i bought it a few months ago to take down a very large Elm (30"+- a chest height) that had uprooted and blown into a very large maple...as soon as I started tearing into it I realized I should have gotten the 590 but i got it done with the 400...it took a lot of time/planning as I have no equipment capable of holding/pulling/moving a tree of that size and the Elm was hung up directly over my 500gal propane tank...the scariest part was the first cut about 8ft from the root- after being cut clean thru it held for a good minute before letting go out of nowhere, I ran like heck when the trunk hit the ground and shook the heck out of the remaining 80ft or so of Elm and the Maple it was laid up into.
I've started dismantling another standing Elm (invasive Chinese Elm) further back on my property with the 400- it's over 4ft across at the base and splits into four 20-24" diameter trunks at about 7ft from the ground.
Bless you!
Even though I am getting on in years, I do enjoy the thrill of a challenging tree. Not quite sure how eager I would be in tackling some of yours. Stay safe!!
This was helpful, thanks.
You're welcome!
That was a perfect tree to show us how to use the winch and snatch block to safely and effectively get the tree down. It would be so much easier to limb that fir on the ground rather than reaching up and chunking it up.
You are right!! But not everyone has a vehicle and winch.
The only thing I would do differently is put a line on it and try pulling it out with the atv when it's approaching vertical and the weight has been reduced.
Good idea .. thanks for watching!!
Absolutely acceptable. And it's how we deal with this in the real world when there are no other tools available, like 4 miles down the fireline. Easy to second guess... but only when there are other options, sometimes there are not.
Thank you for understanding the point I was trying to make!!
Very well done. With the camera angle I couldn’t see exactly how you were making the cuts but I guess you were doing an offset undercut so your chain wasn’t snagged by the falling trunk. Good work though 👍🏻
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!!
Saw sounds kinda rich.
Looks like we are of a similar age. I still have my first saw, a 1960s Husky 61, but the compression is so high that it is not so easy to start. Your Echo is much easier to start, which makes it Ok in my books. . . .I hardly go anywhere without my tractor, rope and chain. . . . . .
Sometimes older is better, lol
You need a bigger saw.
Gotta say, your a beast. Good show man. Be careful.
Gor one, just prefer the lighter Echo. Thanks for watching!!
No, the saw needs a tune. Probably still factory tuned which by design is tuned rich. Lean her out a little and she will sing and zip.
Good job, I have done this many times and is very dangerous.
Thank you!!
I'd say "risky" (potentially dangerous), but with the right techniques, and with care and patience, the risks can be mitigated, almost entirely for the feller, and mostly for the saw.
Personally I favour a bow saw for making the final undercut as without the chainsaw running I can hear the final holding fibres start to give and snap. Then I remove the saw and let gravity make the final break. I can also hear any overhead movements and limbs snapping that I would miss if I still had my ear defenders in place.
Think it is great when we use old technology to solve our problems. Good work!!
I had a large tree hung up in another large tree, where the second tree was also targeted to come down. I used a face cut, plunge cut, and back trigger on the second tree, for quick escape, and it worked great as they both crashed down. I usually use the method you used, of cutting chunks off until vertical. Too dangerous to use that method on large trees IMO. I have done it on the size tree you did, but it is scary.
The larger the tree .. the larger the danger, you are right!!
During the most dangerous part with the top ready to fall at 14:32, not a good idea to carry the saw with your right hand (finger near the throttle). Use your left hand.
Excellent advice. I sometimes think to do it that way but obviously caught by you. Thanks.
15:37 -- The problem is that the forest is often so dense that there's no room into which the tree can drop.
That is so right!!
It's called fence posting.
First thing I would've done is after the very first cut of cutting it off the stump, I would've put a chain around the bottom near that first cut and use tractor to pull it all way down. Would've been done way quicker and just as safe if top was still hung up hard in other tree.
If I had my logging winch installed I might have reached it with the cable, but getting closer would have caused serious rutting. Thanks for watching.
He addressed that at the end of the video. He has that equipment, and know how.
On saturday I did it in the same way, I know this problem.
Obviously did it safely. Congrats.
Tractor. Less messy most times.
The old tractors don't start well in winter without being plugged in. So I go for messy.
Certainly potentially dangerous. Can I suggest a tirfor or a Massdam rope puller would be a lot safer. You mentioned having a winch. The Massdam & rope is light to carry.
Thanks for watching. The video was a viewer request and wanted it to show how things might have been done before lots of equipment.
I stay away from hung up trees. If I did not, I would not be typing this comment ..
You share great wisdom!!!!
Poorly done. Do not take any sawing advice from this guy
He has the right equipment and knows this is not the technique that is advised. He says @12:50 to not do what he is doing. He also kept his escape path clear - he gets some points for that. I have done the same with a similarly sized tree. I know the limits of this technique though, and when the risk is too great.
This guys has gray hair,,can barely run...and cut a tree exactly the way he said he was....it may not be right in the sense of its risk value...but absolutely knew what he was doing and ill take advice from a guy this old any day...
Have fun with chain saws, okay, but don’t try to teach people who don’t know anything when you don’t know anything.
lol.... Ill say Guys a VERY Amature .... Chainsaw he is cutting with is a homeowners saw and WAY to underpowered
These replies are worthless. Why don't you give an example. Or even a way to help teach someone. The tree is down, he didnt get hurt or break anything. Whats the problem?
@@johnmf6096 Grandpa has a tractor, he should have pulled it with a winch. It is not a very safe way for amateurs. Someone will try it and get hurt. I say, have fun but don’t try to teach. I’m professional.
@@Wilett614 I have that same saw, ported with an empty can muffler, and a nice bar and sharp chain, and it is super light and fast. It is actually my 2nd favorite saw right now, especially when I get tired. Great solid saw - just needs a little love, and some breathing. Now for the cutting - I'm glad for the vid as I learn from every one ... but ... if you know how to cut, this one was sketchy from the beginning. I hope I can cut at his age though, really. For great cutting leaners, check out buckin billy ray, or afterfleet has some blowdown cutting. Everyone has a different style. I watch some guys, and say "why is he cutting a wedge there? I'd just straight vertical cut it and let it pull back ... but, to each their own, and blowdowns can get exciting when the get vertical ... start dancing!
@@Wilett614 underpowered? The saw made every cut he wanted it to do. Amateur would have been lugging around an oversized, very heavy saw for the toothpick he was cutting.
The blind leading the blind. Be careful about taking instruction from you tube people. Plenty of amateur know-it-alls.
Did you watch the ending? He knows this is a risky technique, he has the right equipment and knowledge, and he explains why he did it this way. I would do the same (as others experienced here would) but he (and I) would not go over a certain diameter or tree structure. I had a 24 inch, multiple trunk, get hung up in another large tree. No way I would try this approach on that. A man has to know his limits.