That's what I thought, persuading someone like Sage to willingly do something he wants and she doesn't, without any threat is pretty smart, he knew what buttons to press and how.
His problem isn't intelligence it's that all his life other people solved his problems or he lazered them. Soldier Boy was the 1st time he'd ever faced a supe he couldn't wipe the floor with. Also he is a raging narcissist.
@@spottedslash4256 I'm not sure that's what happened. I think HL saw a kindred soul. When she says that won't make you happy either. You get the sense that Sage knows that personally. Homelander is not playing her. He is making a genuine offer even if he likely can't keep it. What HL offers is excitement and a challenge. Part of excitement is the danger of Homelander's unpredictability.
@@samflory True but he has to make that enticing. Homelander has been trained to make speeches, and fake sincerity. Giving people what they want to hear, or to manipulate people's emotions . But you are right , that there maybe a mutual understanding so it may have been genuine
Red and blue while he's at it. It's a total nod to comic-book's model of how to depict the npc "the masses" character: scaling collective emotion/opinion to set the arc-driving mood of the story, naive to the writers needs. Where would X-Men be if the chief antagonist wasn't the hateful racist/species-ist humans as portrayed in the mutant saga? The mob will be numb if the writers need them to be.
@@snitox Yeah I think it's a deliberate omission on her part that Caesar gets murdered by the men he thought were his friends and allies. She would absolutely know that part.
@@sephiroth8377no she still was in a state of surprise & suspicion. Homelander just slowly walked in & he was an unstoppable force so it was best for her to quickly yield.
I bet you thought real hard to make that comment. HuR Hur American is actually a RePuBliC. Shut the fuck up and go back to 4th grade you failed specimen of human intelligence, Have you ever actually paid attention or are you just a parrot for simplicity and ignorance?
I like how homelander asks permition to enter in the homes of people that are not afraid of him like sage and butcher he respects butcher for hating him without any fear and he needs sage's help
I think it's because of the way he was born to he a PR figure. He starts entering the room before receiving for permission to enter so he's probably doing it out of muscle memory
Homelander is a strange case. He intimidates everyone into submission, but the only way to gain his trust and respect is by resisting him. He only respects strong opponents.
I like how shes in a similar place mentally to Homelander. He calls humans toys while she calls them clapping seals and shes genuinely interested in tearing down society aswell
@@mistermysteryman107 oh no the white boy has the fear characters that look like him are being "erased" despite still making up a giant majority of images in media on a global scale. Yet these small. Microcosms make you feel threatened...stop being so weak and crying like a girl... Oh and the true main villain of the entire show who helped facilitate this kind of world the man who literallyn helped fund homelander's development and Raised Neuman to be the way she is--Stan Edgar--is a black man... But sure thing, kiddo. Now run along and kiss your cousin 🤡
@@TheBerylknight perhaps not I can see your point of view but he says I’m smart enough to listen and indeed lets his decisions be overruled by her at times
But she does, clearly. (Of course if she were really as smart as all that she’d be more hesitant about describing Ancient Greece and the Roman Republic as democratic…)
@Sydney2396 She may know that they’re not democracies, but Homelander clearly doesn’t. Makes more sense for her to lean into his ego instead of trying to be completely technically correct to the impulsive psychotic who can turn you into a fine paste.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ so just place a bunch of books around her room and therefore she must be super smart LOL no need to actually show it through story telling right ? I guarantee she'll barely get to use 'her ability' during the show
Because then you need to be at least as smart as the character you write. But it's easier to pile up a lot of books for a character that you have no idea about.
And yet she doesn't do anything smart. Her plan for framing Starlighters failed miserably. Her plan to kill MM Frenchie and Kimiko failed miserably. She wasn't smart enough to interview annika without homelander. So she's smart because she listens to a podcast and reads a book lol?
@@Afflictamine Exactly. People are so damn gullible. "Ooh she's reading about physics, so smart" But when it comes to show her intelligence in any useful or convincing way, the writers are going to flop.
"Smart enough to listen." Is a pretty fire line and moment tbh. I mean seriously, it's one of the few times Homelander can admit that he is in fact in no way smarter than someone else, and the only way to prove that he is indeed still smart, is that he can let go of his ego to listen to the one who is a thousand times smarter than him.
@@ultimumdraco4957 yeah thats hilarious, but even worse are the people who bring up trump non stop. Some people say those types of people are so truly idiotic, you cant really stop them.
You have to admit, shes doing a lot with her role. Real talent is being able to act, without talking. She really puts in all the little nuances youd expect from someone thats so smart, she knows not to appear scared or angry around a supe, and so her emotions are fleeting twitches across her eyes ect. Not too shabby.
2:20 It’s likely she has an ulterior motive for enabling Homelander’s Supremacist plan, but this moment stands out as a time where she doesn’t seem like she’s trying to convince or play him, she genuinely sympathizes with superior to everyone yet being miserable.
I appreciate that even though Sister Sage is definetly smarter than Homelander, he's still the one in control. Mainly because he still managed to manipulate her to help him by playing to *her* ego a bit. Although, my only problem with Sage is that even though they write her as the smartest person on the planet, how exactly is that going to translate into the role she's given? Analitical intelligence is a different ballpark from tactical & business intelligence, which is what Homelander is *actually* looking for here. It would be cool to see them explore that if that's where they're headed.
she's just intelligent in general, if she doesn't know about something, she can just read about it. if she reads books about tactics and businesses, she's going to be an expert about it.
@@dedosdecenizaYeah, but Vought’s an empire going into slow collapse. They have a huge following, but there’s also been a rift. Reading books won’t fix that. In order to keep a multibillion-dollar pharmaceutical empire alive, especially one in need of serious quality control, it needs business savvy more than anything else. That requires a lot of time trying to keep any dissidents in line. But everyone wants to jump ship, so at any second people can walk, then squeak to the public. You can dig through books of psychology and history to know how to read people better and how certain plans pan out, but business is less personal than things like war. Business is a bunch of contracted employees, working under the grand pecking order of middle managers, upper managers, and executive officials, all working to keep the masses-the consumer-happy. It’s a much more multifaceted model than an army or a kingdom. The consumer’s loyalty isn’t earned or taken by force; it’s sold *by* the consumer in good faith, for consistently coming up with good product and maintaining good public relations. Every big corporation will find a way of meeting some bottom line, but it’s harder for companies to regain that “good faith” in a short amount of time, especially when what’s happened in this show. So I really don’t know if Sage will even have what it takes to help Homelander and help save Vought. Her presence kind of makes sense, though now I’m just thinking of the first comment. How will her lack of business knowledge help them in the long run?
Homelander definitly manipulated her to join the Seven. But Sage also promised him, smiling, to make him like Caeser ( who got stabbed in the back in the end). I think she's playing the long game
@@user-vz4gg6cs4lOh yeah, Caeser does get stabbed in the back at the end. 🤯 Thanks for reminding me. Now the plot point of making Homelander into Caesar sounds way more devious, I love it! 🤠
Ironic, perhaps. But humans have also created killer bees, atom bombs, and global warming. We don't have the greatest success rate at making sure our creations don't threaten to kill us.
Truthfully I had no anxiety about Sage getting killed here, One; her character is new and is clearly being built to have some significant narrative importance. Two; Homelander definitely needs her for something, the guy isn’t as unpredictable as people think. Three; her power makes her highly intelligent, she’s likely able to predict Homelander better than we are and would never say or do anything that would compromise her.
@@amonhmcodashe may be able to predict him better than us, but honestly considering how unstable homelander is and how sage acts around him, even she probably doesn’t know what he wants.
Once you understand Homelander's motivations and insecurities, he's very predictable. But that doesn't make him less dangerous. Just because you can predict an outcome, doesn't always mean you can avoid it. One mistake could end you.
In the background, behind Homelander, as he sits there is a book called the Fraternity of the Stone. That book basically deals with a secret agent/assassin who, after tiring of killing, decides to withdraw to from the world into a monastic life. Then someone tracks him down and basically drags him back into the life he used to lead. Similarly sister sage withdrew from the world until someone tracked her down and dragged her back into her previous life. The book and the scene don't have perfect parallels but the book's place there isn't a coincidence.
Sage is a phenomenal genius, but she's still a kid. Some things can only be learned with experience. This scene demonstrates that it's possible to manipulate her, and there's no shrewder manipulator than Stan Edgar. Now, if Stan were to take Sage on as his protege... that could turn into something truly terrifying.
@@UpcycleShoesKai Where did you get that from? Because an episode explaining that hasn't come out yet and the comic of the boys is inconsistent with the show, you just talking bs
The average person is not particularly smart nor particularly good. If you randomly give a lot of average people superhuman power, setting them outside and above the ruck of humanity, a high percentage of them will be twisted by it.
aren't like 90% of supes psychotic anyway. it's the realistic outcome if you give an average person superpowers especially in a society like this fictional america where supes are commercialized and superheroes are thought of as gods. in actual USA I think people would be more distrustful if supes were real.
@@aca347 having super powers would necessitate viewing the world differently than people without powers. fact is someone with super powers cannot view reality the way a normal person does, by definition that makes them insane, at least relative to a normal person. being sane as a supe and being sane as a normal person cannot be the same thing.
The whole premise of the show is "What would happen if normal people had super powers" Odds are they would be psychotic egotists harbouring desires to rule the patch of land they reside on. Human nature and all that.
Wow, I honestly thought their interactions would be completely different just based on the description "woman of color, smartest person in the world" my thought was wow, Homelander's gonna fucking hate her, but no he recruits her and honestly, I can't wait to see what they do with her. Such an interesting character.
@@jakecaffery4063 I was thinking less of him being an outright racist, and more just the culmination of all three together "genius, woman, not-white" would get under his skin more than it does
He was never racists, Stormfront Projected that onto him and he just liked the fact that she glamorized him. He not a white supremacist tho, he’s a Supesupremacist.
@@stevencooper564it does, but he tries to tolerate it cause he REALLY needs someone who can talk back to him and its not a yes-man. Also she has prooved to be able to be of use, Firecracker may be obnoxious, but she knows how to weaponize the masses, which is what Sage wants to get rid of Starlight.
that "Like Caesar" back-and-forth is gonna be so loaded, because 1. we have no idea if Homelander thinks Caesar was some all-powerful monarch that just died somehow or he's really thinking about if Sage will be his Brutus, and 2. it's more certain that Sage wants to be Brutus i'm so excited to see who backstabs who and how eeeee
I just assumed it was about how Caesar got himself loved by the people with his populist and reformist policies and then used that to subvert all democratic institutions and pretty much became a monarch all but in name. Then he got killed by the political elite he screwed over which ended up hastening the transitioning to monarchy since people still loved Caesar and hated his killers. Homelander wants to be loved by the people but doesn't actually care for them, and he hates all the intuitions (both political and the company itself) holding him back. Homelander also has a tendency to mess with other supes some of which would be glad to see him gone.
That's exactly what I thought too. Sage might be the 'smartest' person in the world in some sense, but there's many different kinds of intelligence. All her knowledge clearly comes from books, and her theories are yet to be put into practice. Dealing with people is also a whole separate skill, especially when dealing with someone as unpredictable as Homelander.
I absolutely love how how when he growls at her to show him, she straightens up and just goes cold. Like on one hand you could see it as her being anxious, but on the other it also gives the impression of when a cat's eyes go fullblack and you know things just got serious. Just feels like a mask dropped and suddenly there's a scary snake in the room.
I like how there really truthfully is a subset of people out there listening to Homelander's rant going "yeah, he's right, yeah that's how it is he's right."
@Afflictamine agreed she hasn't really proven herself to be the world's smartest person yet but to reduce her to "sassy black queen" means you were offended by that statement and side with homelander. If she was a white man you'd have zero issues with her
@@Afflictamine except those people wouldn't support anyone on the 7 and you know that. You're just a triggered Trumpanzee looking for an easy "Gotcha."
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259The writers reduced her to that by the way they wrote and directed her. Stop trying to analyse people online; you're crap at it.
Couldn't figure it out? Maybe she is just bored out of her mind and wants a game to distract her. For someone at her level, it would need to be extremely high stakes to even interest her.
@Manant. imagine being extremely bored for months or years and having absolutely nothing interest you. If your only shot at some entertainment came with high danger, you might be willingly to accept that risk.
Sage may have psychoference abilities and photographic memory. And despite having these abilities, they are capable of putting others down because of their intellectual abilities. Maybe it's not his place to be a homelander. Use manipulation to your advantage, which is smart of you!😈
jesus christ, Antony Starr has taken this role and put his entire ass into it. not a half of one cheek, not just one cheek, not just two cheeks. his whole ass. I'm glad he's getting the praise he deserves for Homelander.
That's the first time that Homelander was being smart and devious, rather than just an angry toddler with superpowers. He managed to check Sister Sage by offering her something her intellect could not provide her - an opportunity to experiment on humanity. Bad guys 1, the World 0!
Sage is a cleansing element. In many spiritual practices, it cleanses the evil. It’s rather appropriate that is her name. Maybe she will help mould “Gaius Octavius,” along with setting up “Caesar” and his own personal Brutus and Cassius.
Something I just realized, homelander ultimately needed someone to help him run vought and the seven Everything started to fall apart when Stan Edgar was kicked out Sage truly helped homelander become the most powerful version of himself in season 4
What is good about this scene to me its super cringy she says rome, greace all democracy fail because people are stupid. Lol that has to be one of the worse takes the fact that she has to be a black woman and say this is worse. Rome was not even a democracy.
@@idoomi6714 bro she's manipulating Homelander. She basically even told him "I'll make you like Ceaser", even tho that guy was stabbed in the back at the end.
House's attitude comes to a large extent from his belief that he's always the smartest person in the room. His ego couldn't handle dealing with someone demonstrably smarter.
I’m curious if Ryan is going to find out the whole true line of events involving Homelander. Esp with him finding out how he was conceived, I wonder if that’s the Julius Caesar part she was referring to.
@@highwind8124 I guess not. I'm assuming it's the thing Gen z and Gen alpha do with grammar where they don't conjugate verbs at all. Like how they use "bias" instead of "biased".
I always spoke about how much discourse the show would have if a black woman was added to the Seven like so much more, but they added that much more by making her the smartest person on earth.
Writer 1: "What's an easy shorthand we can use to convey to the audience that Sage is super smart?" Writer 2: "BOOKS." Writer 1: "Uhh-" Writer 2: "SO MANY @%$*×ing books!"
This was the 1st time Homelander wasn't wearing either his superhero suit or being naked on the show.
Not really, They always show Kid Homelander in a grey jumper and sweatpants but that’s not antony starr’s adult Homelander so i get your point
Really I didn’t notice
@@therealmr.incredible3179homelander as in john as an adult
Actually we saw him in a black dress, although I guess that wasn’t technically him
@@therealmr.incredible3179 He was not The Homelander as a kid. He was John. He did not Become The Homelander till he an adult.
Homelander: You're so smart. . . show me. . .
Sage: *Roasts him*
I mean, it looks like she knew that homelander needed something and he wouldn’t kill her just right there
And the fact that she actually knows that his father almost killed him and the fact that he does age is wild@@huffie4u
If you *feel* (you definitely don't think) that was roasting someone, then you might need some introspection.
@@mohabalserafe3795 Ehh, I don’t think it’s changing anything but good point
@@charlesiei6831sorry to break it down for you pal but that was a roast lol you probably don't think at all
4:36 Homelander is actually pretty smart. He said the exact thing that would lure a brainiac in.
That's what I thought, persuading someone like Sage to willingly do something he wants and she doesn't, without any threat is pretty smart, he knew what buttons to press and how.
@@Michau940 Social intelligence beating out Book intelligence
His problem isn't intelligence it's that all his life other people solved his problems or he lazered them. Soldier Boy was the 1st time he'd ever faced a supe he couldn't wipe the floor with. Also he is a raging narcissist.
@@spottedslash4256 I'm not sure that's what happened. I think HL saw a kindred soul. When she says that won't make you happy either. You get the sense that Sage knows that personally. Homelander is not playing her. He is making a genuine offer even if he likely can't keep it. What HL offers is excitement and a challenge. Part of excitement is the danger of Homelander's unpredictability.
@@samflory True but he has to make that enticing. Homelander has been trained to make speeches, and fake sincerity. Giving people what they want to hear, or to manipulate people's emotions . But you are right , that there maybe a mutual understanding so it may have been genuine
Seeing Homelander in normal clothes is like seeing Batman on a beach on a sunny day
well they are basically the same anyway, both have cwazy fans defending them all the time
Batman 1966 did that once. Surf's Up, Joker's Under
Are you seriously comparing Homelander to Batman?!!? 😮
@@kingdavid6535
I mean put Batman on a sunny beach and tell me that doesn’t look wrong.
Red and blue while he's at it. It's a total nod to comic-book's model of how to depict the npc "the masses" character: scaling collective emotion/opinion to set the arc-driving mood of the story, naive to the writers needs. Where would X-Men be if the chief antagonist wasn't the hateful racist/species-ist humans as portrayed in the mutant saga? The mob will be numb if the writers need them to be.
The first time we see Homelander humble himself and admit he needs help is the first time we see him out of his suit
In public and not as a child
He might not be as smart as her, but he's smart enough to both understand and manipulate her.
Social manipulation is a powerful thing
Pretty sure she is manipulating him. Reminder what happened to Caesar.
@@snitox Yeah I think it's a deliberate omission on her part that Caesar gets murdered by the men he thought were his friends and allies. She would absolutely know that part.
@@TheThoughtAssassin
She’s stoking his ego but yes thanks for reminding me
HL will get what’s coming to him by those closest to him
I assure you, she will likely end up being the one manipulating him in the end
''May I come in?''
*Comes in before getting an answer*
he only respects Butcher enough to wait for an answer to that question.
it was simply rhetorical, she knew she couldnt refuse :))
The door opening up all the way is usually the answer
These people are just learning how humans work it's cool@@sephiroth8377
@@sephiroth8377no she still was in a state of surprise & suspicion. Homelander just slowly walked in & he was an unstoppable force so it was best for her to quickly yield.
"Smart enough to listen" was the most scary thing he has ever said. He is evolving.
I bet you thought real hard to make that comment. HuR Hur American is actually a RePuBliC. Shut the fuck up and go back to 4th grade you failed specimen of human intelligence, Have you ever actually paid attention or are you just a parrot for simplicity and ignorance?
I like how homelander asks permition to enter in the homes of people that are not afraid of him like sage and butcher he respects butcher for hating him without any fear and he needs sage's help
I think it's because of the way he was born to he a PR figure. He starts entering the room before receiving for permission to enter so he's probably doing it out of muscle memory
He entered without hearing the answer😂
A bit like dracula
Homelander is a strange case. He intimidates everyone into submission, but the only way to gain his trust and respect is by resisting him. He only respects strong opponents.
You say that like he didn’t walk in without even hearing the answer first
I like how shes in a similar place mentally to Homelander.
He calls humans toys while she calls them clapping seals and shes genuinely interested in tearing down society aswell
And putting it in the hands of a narcissistic man child with a god complex. 😒
One of the few times homelander has shown a little humility.
Because she’s a POC female. You can’t go against them in any movies or games anymore. Didn’t you know?
@@mistermysteryman107 oh no the white boy has the fear characters that look like him are being "erased" despite still making up a giant majority of images in media on a global scale. Yet these small. Microcosms make you feel threatened...stop being so weak and crying like a girl...
Oh and the true main villain of the entire show who helped facilitate this kind of world the man who literallyn helped fund homelander's development and Raised Neuman to be the way she is--Stan Edgar--is a black man... But sure thing, kiddo. Now run along and kiss your cousin 🤡
Yeah, the prostate can do that to a man.
I doubt he's showing humility. He's just manipulating her and telling her what she wants to hear.
@@TheBerylknight perhaps not I can see your point of view but he says I’m smart enough to listen and indeed lets his decisions be overruled by her at times
“My fuckin WHAT?”
he was genuinly in shock she said that😂😂😂
😂
Notice the censor didn't catch it he said it so quick
I like how Homelander compares himself to Ceasar, not remembering how that story ended
But she does, clearly. (Of course if she were really as smart as all that she’d be more hesitant about describing Ancient Greece and the Roman Republic as democratic…)
@@sydney2396maybe she got a little ego to herself. Yk, Walter White was the smartest in BB, but also had a big ego.
@@sydney2396also she gotta act tough and show no fear of he might just laser her
You really think he didn't? Ceasar was murdered, but he left legacy large enough to influence millenias.
@Sydney2396 She may know that they’re not democracies, but Homelander clearly doesn’t. Makes more sense for her to lean into his ego instead of trying to be completely technically correct to the impulsive psychotic who can turn you into a fine paste.
She's listening to a physics podcast at double speed while reading a book about why words are.
My goddess.
Glad I’m not the only once who noticed. Little details like that really authenticate the character. She is THAT smart.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ so just place a bunch of books around her room and therefore she must be super smart LOL no need to actually show it through story telling right ? I guarantee she'll barely get to use 'her ability' during the show
Because then you need to be at least as smart as the character you write. But it's easier to pile up a lot of books for a character that you have no idea about.
And yet she doesn't do anything smart. Her plan for framing Starlighters failed miserably. Her plan to kill MM Frenchie and Kimiko failed miserably. She wasn't smart enough to interview annika without homelander. So she's smart because she listens to a podcast and reads a book lol?
@@Afflictamine Exactly. People are so damn gullible. "Ooh she's reading about physics, so smart"
But when it comes to show her intelligence in any useful or convincing way, the writers are going to flop.
"Smart enough to listen." Is a pretty fire line and moment tbh. I mean seriously, it's one of the few times Homelander can admit that he is in fact in no way smarter than someone else, and the only way to prove that he is indeed still smart, is that he can let go of his ego to listen to the one who is a thousand times smarter than him.
He was also smart enough to manipulate her into working for him you really have to give him credit
@@Grayfox354 Oh absolutely. I'm not saying he's not in control here I'm just saying that Homelander putting his ego aside is a rare sight
I love Homelander's reaction to every time someone calls him out on him not willing to kill/harm them. Butcher, Edgar, Sage and probably a few others.
She is an intellectual. The weakness of intellectuals is vanity. Homelander KNOWS this about her.
Maybe vanity. I think it's curiosity as well. Many intellectuals just want to be the first to see something new.
Have you seen trump voters?
@@alecaquino4306 curiosity killed the cat
@@ultimumdraco4957 yeah thats hilarious, but even worse are the people who bring up trump non stop. Some people say those types of people are so truly idiotic, you cant really stop them.
@@kazamakell cry more pussy 😂 nothing worse than a person who cucks themselves for trump
Homelander is also terrified of a prostate exam, he's just like me.
you think that's scary? well what happens to the doctors finger when he clenches?
Just remember, If it feels like more than 2 fingers it’s probably a D**k lol
It’s not that bad, have it done by a female doctor. Smaller fingers. 😅
Relax, they're doctors. Just don't get alarmed when they're rubbing both your shoulders during it... It's to loosen you up.... I was told.
@SilkyLew Did they whisper that in your ear when they 'told' you about that?😂
I like that you see Homelander already taking a step inside BEFORE he asks to be let in
You have to admit, shes doing a lot with her role. Real talent is being able to act, without talking. She really puts in all the little nuances youd expect from someone thats so smart, she knows not to appear scared or angry around a supe, and so her emotions are fleeting twitches across her eyes ect. Not too shabby.
2:20 It’s likely she has an ulterior motive for enabling Homelander’s Supremacist plan, but this moment stands out as a time where she doesn’t seem like she’s trying to convince or play him, she genuinely sympathizes with superior to everyone yet being miserable.
I appreciate that even though Sister Sage is definetly smarter than Homelander, he's still the one in control. Mainly because he still managed to manipulate her to help him by playing to *her* ego a bit.
Although, my only problem with Sage is that even though they write her as the smartest person on the planet, how exactly is that going to translate into the role she's given?
Analitical intelligence is a different ballpark from tactical & business intelligence, which is what Homelander is *actually* looking for here.
It would be cool to see them explore that if that's where they're headed.
she's just intelligent in general, if she doesn't know about something, she can just read about it. if she reads books about tactics and businesses, she's going to be an expert about it.
@@dedosdecenizaYeah, but Vought’s an empire going into slow collapse. They have a huge following, but there’s also been a rift. Reading books won’t fix that.
In order to keep a multibillion-dollar pharmaceutical empire alive, especially one in need of serious quality control, it needs business savvy more than anything else. That requires a lot of time trying to keep any dissidents in line. But everyone wants to jump ship, so at any second people can walk, then squeak to the public.
You can dig through books of psychology and history to know how to read people better and how certain plans pan out, but business is less personal than things like war. Business is a bunch of contracted employees, working under the grand pecking order of middle managers, upper managers, and executive officials, all working to keep the masses-the consumer-happy. It’s a much more multifaceted model than an army or a kingdom.
The consumer’s loyalty isn’t earned or taken by force; it’s sold *by* the consumer in good faith, for consistently coming up with good product and maintaining good public relations. Every big corporation will find a way of meeting some bottom line, but it’s harder for companies to regain that “good faith” in a short amount of time, especially when what’s happened in this show.
So I really don’t know if Sage will even have what it takes to help Homelander and help save Vought. Her presence kind of makes sense, though now I’m just thinking of the first comment. How will her lack of business knowledge help them in the long run?
Homelander definitly manipulated her to join the Seven.
But Sage also promised him, smiling, to make him like Caeser ( who got stabbed in the back in the end).
I think she's playing the long game
@@user-vz4gg6cs4lOh yeah, Caeser does get stabbed in the back at the end. 🤯
Thanks for reminding me. Now the plot point of making Homelander into Caesar sounds way more devious, I love it! 🤠
"The world's smartest person poses no more threat to me than does its smartest termite."
It’s ironic that he thinks humans are toys for his amusement but he was created by them.
Ironic, perhaps. But humans have also created killer bees, atom bombs, and global warming. We don't have the greatest success rate at making sure our creations don't threaten to kill us.
That's a common trope. The creation thinks it's smarter and more powerful than its creator
Homelander knocks when he could easily hear her on the toliet
He did say she reeked of ‘Taco Bell’ lol. He could smell it too
@@jibekmechler139yummers...
Homelander can be quite polite when he respects someone, particularly when he wants something from them.
@@jibekmechler139Anyone could smell that. Don't need super powers
The amound of anxiety we get when we think that homelander can laser sage at any moment if she pisses him off . He is unpredictable
Truthfully I had no anxiety about Sage getting killed here,
One; her character is new and is clearly being built to have some significant narrative importance.
Two; Homelander definitely needs her for something, the guy isn’t as unpredictable as people think.
Three; her power makes her highly intelligent, she’s likely able to predict Homelander better than we are and would never say or do anything that would compromise her.
You gotta care about the character first to really feel that kind of anxiety
@@amonhmcodashe may be able to predict him better than us, but honestly considering how unstable homelander is and how sage acts around him, even she probably doesn’t know what he wants.
Once you understand Homelander's motivations and insecurities, he's very predictable. But that doesn't make him less dangerous. Just because you can predict an outcome, doesn't always mean you can avoid it. One mistake could end you.
The book behind Homelander says in Russian "Demons in the Paradise".
🤔 Neet, pretty accurate detail about him.
4:30 - “You can stay here, reeking of Taco Bell . . . “
Guess he smelled she was on the toilet. 🤣
"May i come in?"
You're not a Vampire. Just come in.
He was coming in as he said it
In the background, behind Homelander, as he sits there is a book called the Fraternity of the Stone. That book basically deals with a secret agent/assassin who, after tiring of killing, decides to withdraw to from the world into a monastic life. Then someone tracks him down and basically drags him back into the life he used to lead. Similarly sister sage withdrew from the world until someone tracked her down and dragged her back into her previous life. The book and the scene don't have perfect parallels but the book's place there isn't a coincidence.
Bro I need sister sage and stan edger in one room, it would honestly be so interesting.
Sage is a phenomenal genius, but she's still a kid. Some things can only be learned with experience. This scene demonstrates that it's possible to manipulate her, and there's no shrewder manipulator than Stan Edgar.
Now, if Stan were to take Sage on as his protege... that could turn into something truly terrifying.
Spoiler Warning: Stan is her dad.
@@UpcycleShoesKai Where did you get that from? Because an episode explaining that hasn't come out yet and the comic of the boys is inconsistent with the show, you just talking bs
I imagine Stan having the same powers as her
@@danieldickson8591she's not a kid, I'm pretty sure she's A-Train's age
man imagine if sister sage and tech knight were on the same team, literally nothing could be kept secret
Where do they find these psychotic people for the seven? I thought being an A-hole was only Homelanders job
they manufacture them... lots of testing and iteration. it's taken many decades to produce a good supply.
The average person is not particularly smart nor particularly good. If you randomly give a lot of average people superhuman power, setting them outside and above the ruck of humanity, a high percentage of them will be twisted by it.
aren't like 90% of supes psychotic anyway. it's the realistic outcome if you give an average person superpowers especially in a society like this fictional america where supes are commercialized and superheroes are thought of as gods. in actual USA I think people would be more distrustful if supes were real.
@@aca347 having super powers would necessitate viewing the world differently than people without powers. fact is someone with super powers cannot view reality the way a normal person does, by definition that makes them insane, at least relative to a normal person. being sane as a supe and being sane as a normal person cannot be the same thing.
The whole premise of the show is "What would happen if normal people had super powers" Odds are they would be psychotic egotists harbouring desires to rule the patch of land they reside on. Human nature and all that.
Wow, I honestly thought their interactions would be completely different just based on the description "woman of color, smartest person in the world" my thought was wow, Homelander's gonna fucking hate her, but no he recruits her and honestly, I can't wait to see what they do with her. Such an interesting character.
He ain’t racist, he just doesn’t mind racism
He’s not racist, he is a supremesist. Everyone is below him.
@@jakecaffery4063 I was thinking less of him being an outright racist, and more just the culmination of all three together "genius, woman, not-white" would get under his skin more than it does
He was never racists, Stormfront Projected that onto him and he just liked the fact that she glamorized him. He not a white supremacist tho, he’s a Supesupremacist.
@@stevencooper564it does, but he tries to tolerate it cause he REALLY needs someone who can talk back to him and its not a yes-man. Also she has prooved to be able to be of use, Firecracker may be obnoxious, but she knows how to weaponize the masses, which is what Sage wants to get rid of Starlight.
She is Mozart in one ear, Chinese bible in the other on 2x kinda smart.
that "Like Caesar" back-and-forth is gonna be so loaded, because 1. we have no idea if Homelander thinks Caesar was some all-powerful monarch that just died somehow or he's really thinking about if Sage will be his Brutus, and 2. it's more certain that Sage wants to be Brutus
i'm so excited to see who backstabs who and how eeeee
I just assumed it was about how Caesar got himself loved by the people with his populist and reformist policies and then used that to subvert all democratic institutions and pretty much became a monarch all but in name. Then he got killed by the political elite he screwed over which ended up hastening the transitioning to monarchy since people still loved Caesar and hated his killers. Homelander wants to be loved by the people but doesn't actually care for them, and he hates all the intuitions (both political and the company itself) holding him back. Homelander also has a tendency to mess with other supes some of which would be glad to see him gone.
Homelander: From someone in my level
Sister sage:🤔
I think this homelander would’ve fit at an earlier time. Before he felt like he was emotionally breaking
My boy Homelander wears blue and red even in disguise
Clark Kent on Smallville always used to wear those colors, too.
It's orange tho.
Weirdly enough, those are Goku's colors.
Was anyone else hoping he’d say “if you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich?” ?
I have the feeling he's really gonna pull her apart at some point.
That persistent underlying threat is a big part of Homelander's power to sway people.
I like her! She’s giving Homelander what he’s missing after Stan Edgar left!
Homelander was so mature and composed there.
He can control himself when he wants something. He's had many years of experience at putting up a front.
She is right about people lol
Dude I sat there listening like "fuck man"
@@Amoogusnpc
@@islixxn i sure hope
Brains high, wisdom low.
That's exactly what I thought too. Sage might be the 'smartest' person in the world in some sense, but there's many different kinds of intelligence. All her knowledge clearly comes from books, and her theories are yet to be put into practice. Dealing with people is also a whole separate skill, especially when dealing with someone as unpredictable as Homelander.
I absolutely love how how when he growls at her to show him, she straightens up and just goes cold. Like on one hand you could see it as her being anxious, but on the other it also gives the impression of when a cat's eyes go fullblack and you know things just got serious. Just feels like a mask dropped and suddenly there's a scary snake in the room.
I'm calling the Sage character doing a moral 180 by the end of the season.
I like how there really truthfully is a subset of people out there listening to Homelander's rant going "yeah, he's right, yeah that's how it is he's right."
just like the subset of people who think the 'worlds smartest person' is some sassy black kween
@Afflictamine agreed she hasn't really proven herself to be the world's smartest person yet but to reduce her to "sassy black queen" means you were offended by that statement and side with homelander. If she was a white man you'd have zero issues with her
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 the smartest person would make sure no one knows they are the smartest person.
@@Afflictamine except those people wouldn't support anyone on the 7 and you know that. You're just a triggered Trumpanzee looking for an easy "Gotcha."
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259The writers reduced her to that by the way they wrote and directed her. Stop trying to analyse people online; you're crap at it.
As a Piston fan, the Palace of Auburn Hills hits hard.
bro exactly look like Antony Starr
What are they hiding from us?
Smartest person on earth.
Buys Dell pc.
Once again the smarts remain anchored at the level of the writers.
“Like ceasar” Amazing
Smartest person in the world and yet she couldn’t figure out to stay the fuck away from homelander
Ego and hubris. They're the downfall of everyone.
Boredom is a dangerous emotion.
Couldn't figure it out? Maybe she is just bored out of her mind and wants a game to distract her.
For someone at her level, it would need to be extremely high stakes to even interest her.
@LeiRaionYes the worlds smartest do like increasing their chances of getting fucking lasered when they are bored
@Manant. imagine being extremely bored for months or years and having absolutely nothing interest you.
If your only shot at some entertainment came with high danger, you might be willingly to accept that risk.
It's funny how Homelander is finally learning to respond to dissent _without_ lasering the person in question and it's arguably making him _worse._
“Like Caesar” … lol.
I love that detail. Can’t wait!
favorite season so far
"Like Ceasar." That tone of voice when she says it back shows how excited she was to have someone across from her that sort of gets her. Lol
smartest woman in the world, has a shitty dell optiplex from what looks like 2007 lmao
Sage may have psychoference abilities and photographic memory. And despite having these abilities, they are capable of putting others down because of their intellectual abilities. Maybe it's not his place to be a homelander. Use manipulation to your advantage, which is smart of you!😈
Just realized she’s both reading a book, while listening to a separate academic podcast on 2x speed.
I just realized Sage listens to podcasts in 1.5x or 2x speed bc of her super memory
oh by the way, spending too long sitting on a toilet is one of the ways to develop hemorrhoids. I don't suggest sitting and reading on a toilet.
jesus christ, Antony Starr has taken this role and put his entire ass into it. not a half of one cheek, not just one cheek, not just two cheeks. his whole ass. I'm glad he's getting the praise he deserves for Homelander.
„How smart are you?“
„You’re adopted“
A character can only be as smart as its writers
"Show me how smart you are."
- Starts twerking aggressively.
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what?
Was this supposed to be a racist stereotype?
@@amakus535 She is so smart that she sees through the white nationalist facade and gives Homelander what he really wants.
gross reaction
Homelander being incredibly smart and playing directly to her ego
he always asks to come into a home like a vampire
I'm beginning to enjoy Homelander's development
Homelander isn't a racist but not because he believes in equal rights.
It's because he's too self-involved to care 😂
That's the first time that Homelander was being smart and devious, rather than just an angry toddler with superpowers. He managed to check Sister Sage by offering her something her intellect could not provide her - an opportunity to experiment on humanity. Bad guys 1, the World 0!
Reminds me of Ace Ventura analyzing the the consul Cadby
Sage is a cleansing element. In many spiritual practices, it cleanses the evil. It’s rather appropriate that is her name. Maybe she will help mould “Gaius Octavius,” along with setting up “Caesar” and his own personal Brutus and Cassius.
To my knowledge, sage just cleanses spiritual energy period- good or bad.
Superman was in this Bye 👋 Homelander 😂
How smart are you?
Smart enough to record everything and not tell you
She is reading "Naming and Necessity" by Saul Kripke. A very dense philosophy book.
Something I just realized, homelander ultimately needed someone to help him run vought and the seven
Everything started to fall apart when Stan Edgar was kicked out
Sage truly helped homelander become the most powerful version of himself in season 4
For once, Homelander is humbled, for the moment.
I would’ve asked her
What happens to actual good leaders
i took it personally when he said taco bell and loneliness
Good scene
What is good about this scene to me its super cringy she says rome, greace all democracy fail because people are stupid. Lol that has to be one of the worse takes the fact that she has to be a black woman and say this is worse. Rome was not even a democracy.
@@idoomi6714 bro she's manipulating Homelander.
She basically even told him "I'll make you like Ceaser", even tho that guy was stabbed in the back at the end.
Pass me the controller lol
Notice that he asked to come in but didn't wait for permission? He didn't do that with Butcher.
Sage and Dr. House would be best friends if they met. The way they talk is so similar.
House's attitude comes to a large extent from his belief that he's always the smartest person in the room. His ego couldn't handle dealing with someone demonstrably smarter.
I’m curious if Ryan is going to find out the whole true line of events involving Homelander. Esp with him finding out how he was conceived, I wonder if that’s the Julius Caesar part she was referring to.
never realised how fucking stun homelander was in this scene!
What is stun?
@@DuckDuckGoose13 You're not part of generation Alpha.
@@highwind8124 I guess not. I'm assuming it's the thing Gen z and Gen alpha do with grammar where they don't conjugate verbs at all. Like how they use "bias" instead of "biased".
I always spoke about how much discourse the show would have if a black woman was added to the Seven like so much more, but they added that much more by making her the smartest person on earth.
Am I the only one that hears some lalo salamanca when he says "show me"?
It will be fun to see sage out smart Stan Edgar.
Its funny she listens to her podcasts in 2x speed
Sage has got some plan that comparison to Caesar, Homelanders forgetting Caesar was betrayed and killed by Brutus someone who worked for him
I will be VERY disappointed if she doesn't have multiple contingency plans for if he tries to / succeeds in killing her.
i guess ego knows ego
First time I actually respected homelander
She's considered the smartest woman alive. I wonder what Edgar would've thought of her
0:44 same that's a first 😅
Writer 1: "What's an easy shorthand we can use to convey to the audience that Sage is super smart?"
Writer 2: "BOOKS."
Writer 1: "Uhh-"
Writer 2: "SO MANY @%$*×ing books!"
Smartest woman in the world thinks the US is a democracy.
This season is very obnoxious about how the writers feel about the world. Sometimes it's grossly naive
Not in a good way like the seasons before
@@valmiriuswriters are Jewish
The cramming of the writers politics is getting pretty obnoxious
Smart people can have incredibly stupid beliefs. She's clearly portrayed as lacking in a lot of ways.
*smartest person
She could put her brain into robots and become immortal just saying she’s wasting the power
Some of the things she tells him are different than the first two times I watched this scene.
He speaks about humans as if they're a different species from Supes.
She just makes me miss Stan Edgar.