The battle to mine Indonesia's 'gold island' Sangihe - BBC News
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2021
- There is gold on Indonesia's Sangihe island, and a Canadian-listed mining company has a permit to exploit it.
Environmentalists say the gold mine threatens the island's ancient forests, which are home to endemic birds. Locals fear it will affect their water supply.
The BBC visited the remote island to see what’s at stake.
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The cheek of that CEO to say the man with a chisel is more of a threat to the environment than a big industrial gold mine
He is morally bankrupt. He made an idiotic comment that Canadians love the environment. We have seen how Canadians have stripped their own land!
@@MsApags Honestly, saying such things would be demonizing a business man who works under the West's regulatory framework and the Indonesian government's framework.
Large proportions (say ~30%) of mines like these in Indonesia are government owned. They aren't only fighting against a demonized white foreigner, they're fighting against their own government, who is likely less gracious than the West when it comes to accepting critique from its citizens. The Indonesian government wants Indonesia to be developed. So, the Indonesian government does so by allowing successful foreign countries to do so for them. That means the Indonesian government has moved the risk and costs of this to foreigners. This is a clever move on the Indonesian front. And, they get fame and respect for Indonesia as a resource-wealthy nation, they get appreciation of the Indonesian rupiah, they get jobs for Indonesian locals, they get to tap into the West's regulatory framework to avoid excess environmental damage, they get developed infrastructure.
Its an important story to share by BBC. But, I wonder if their are any conflicts of interest here.
He’s absolutely right though, the mining company would be much more efficient.
Large-scale industrial mining is a dirty business. That island is too small, and its ecosystem would be irreparably changed.
Those small miners are not the threat, the large-scale mine is.
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We need mooore gold!
besides Gold is not that esessential to human as crops. but the damage is far greater.
A company should not have the right to destroy the island
Yes they should. It’s for their best interests. Gold is a valuable item man.
@@quinnard9750 its sad cause the money doesn't stay in the island it goes back to Canada
NO, they shouldnt. As a canadian, I am disgusted.
@@Giannis27272 Exactly, they will only suffer more.
0:34 Evil laugh of greed.
So many greedy people wish to compete with the devil. The devil is one thing, but I can be worse, is how they think.
Yeah he succ
Indonesia will be regretting this decision 20 years from now....
Unfortunately, it won't take that long for the rest of us to see how regretful Indonesian gov't's short-sighted decision. We are heading toward a quiet planet except the noise of the human.
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FYI, the Sangihe vice-regent, Mr. Hontong, have strongly opposed the mining and stands with the locals. Too bad, this June, not long after he wrote down a letter requesting the cancelation of the mining to the Indonesian Minister of Energy and Mineral Resources, he suddenly passed away on a plane while traveling back from work. And its kinda odd for many Indonesian here. Some also asked to investigate the deaths. Authority said that he got a sudden heart attack (based on autopsy result). But, still its a mystery until today and many was speculated that his death was connected to his opposing statement about the gold mining in Sangihe.
Its a shame what humans are doing to their only home not caring about future generations 😔
Right!.... There is sooo much gold bullion in storage ...just use all of that
Owh yes, of course people who live in an well established community, fully developed, lack of natural habitats and only have a zoo, but plenty of artificially made garden sure knows better how easy it is to make a living in a literal jungle while not having a land to farm or public "servant" relatives to get a job from...
We're going to mine every resource on this planet until every living thing on this planet is dead.
You'd thought Indonesia learnt something from the catastrophic palm oil effects on their climate
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A splendid place that should be preserved!
So many rare endangered birds, animals, have got extinct due to human exploitation of nature.
Big companies will exploit this serene place for their mean interest. Devoiding the Locals of their livelihood.
Everything cause korupt Governm*n
Shut them down!
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Massive protests in London but no BBC reports!
we need money, but need nature more....please save sangihe island from devastation
Just the chemicals Alone to extract the gold will kill everything!
He had to laugh like Lex Luthor.
Glad this is being shown. How terrible to destroy the wild animal habitat. That is a beautiful bird. Far more beautiful than gold.
Protect the island, don't destroy it.
5000 Jobs means 5,000 people eating.
Where does the wastewater go?
The fact that the BBC has to delete so many comments is a good sign. People are waking up to what 'these people' are doing to the UK.
I’m confused, what comments are being deleted
Can they even do that ?
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Massive protests in London but no BBC reports!
1.8 million dead in west papua
no reports
Please save our nature.. Please save the forest! The river! The environment! All the animals! Save Indonesia! Save the world! 🙏🏼🏝
Hearing the damn CEO speak, we can just see that his mind is all about that future "Millions of dollars" worth of extracted gold BUT not the devastating impact this mining activity would bring to the island and its future .
Thank you for letting their voices be heard in their own language. 🙏
Nooooo
Don’t let them destroy the island
Small islands made up of coral reefs cannot sustain the pressure of giant mining corporations.it may have devastating impact on its eco survival system.
With all the recent flood/drought/fire/pandemic disasters happening around the world, we human still have waken up to allow greed to destroy nature and dismantle the wellbeing of the wildlife. We are witnessing and getting what we sow all along now! It's so sad.
Anyone Else Feel Terry's Laugh was Super Creepy ....👎🤨
5,000 slave labor jobs for a company not paying taxes is b.s.
This is the cause why ferdinand magellan went in Indonesia i knew Indonesia has treasure gold.
BBC's agent Tommy Robinson lost his case. £100k Richard Sharp's mates will need to find to pay the fine.
Our earth is just getting closer and closer to a massive catasthrophe.
Blood Gold...more people will die...
European greed strikes again
This sounds like something the United Nations should protect.
There could be small designated areas for mining for approved locals; however, the landslides from the small mining outfits are already an issue.
omg.... Canada has two faces...
Never give up the people of Sangihe, fight for death to defend your resources, wealths, and freedom don't let the crooks rob the mining gold even if you have to sacrifice your life .......
Tax all billionaires out of billionaire status.
Who gave them a permit?
this is new-colonialism ... plain and simple
New colonialism is people from the middle east coming to western Europe outbreeding the native populations and demanding sharia law, ying and yang
Lol
Another foreigner to exploit island in Asia😤
Power of money against nature.
Greed drives the world !!
Greed has no bounds
It is a little more nuanced than the BBC states. The licence held by the company is almost certainly an exploration licence. This gives them an area over which they can undertake activities, which in turn will be subject to further licences e.g. if you want to put in a bore hole you will need a permit, you will pay compensation to the government or the local communities depending on whose land it is. The area a shown in the map will not be the area of operation. It is true that the mining is likely to be destructive, but how large an area or where is not described. It might well be possible for the mine to have a small footprint, it might be big and ugly. It is not described maybe because the company has not yet established what it is going to do. Is this a good mining company with a good track record? Unknown. Nothing is presented here except a map with a huge area of the Island that the reader assumes to be the area to be exploited.
The illegal mining is an uncontrollable insidious threat. Illegal mining pops up everywhere in Indonesia where gold is to be found. The people actually mining may not be using mercury but mercury will be used it always it. Some great NGO's try to modify this behavior by introducing systems where by a fraction of the mercury leaches into the environment. Law enforcement against illegal miners is usually non-existent, in fact law enforcement normally becomes part of the problem as state actors extract rent from them and enable them to subsist. Indeed most illegal miners do subsist, they have hopes of making money but they rarely make more than enough to survive.
Gold where found in Indonesia leads to tragedy. It is hard for companies to do the right thing, it is made easy for them to do the wrong thing. Some members of the local community will benefit, but most will not. The environment always and sometimes species suffer too.
Spot on.
Legal Mining Companies are still better than illegal mining companies that had already dug in Sangihe. Native people who work in illegal mining had polluted the environment and no NGO speak about it but when a legal company such Baru Gold want to mine area with strict environmental guidelines, many NGO's suddenly care about environment. Shame on NGO who want take advantage from this situation and Keep moving forward Baru Gold
Human greed............
The people of canada know this and we are trying.........please keep fighting !
Sangihe is a typical small tropical island. With the advent of big mining companies encroaching, any small island's eco system, environment and pristine rainforest will be decimated with untold damages. The mining's not worth it !
Disgusting, they should go and get the gold and minerals from space, its a no brainer! What is wrong with these people!
There is no good method for that at the moment. Alough i do agree we should move that shit away from our planet.
They are dont have money for that, ironically
So why aren't the locals mining for gold they will find a lot of it about the area
Here in the Philippines, we are also fighting that kind of problem.
The government will not listen to you because you have no influence, no power, and most of all no money.
Especially if the Executive Department of that country does not prioritize in taking care of the country's flora and fauna, mountain ranges, rainforests, proper and efficient law enforcement against the illegal animal traders, the illegal mining, illegal logging.
It's just getting to our nerves.
In memory of Mr. Helmud Hontong, Vice Regent of Sangihe Islands who fought to revoke this mining concession and died of mysterious reasons soon after.
This is the reality of Indonesia today; the Central Government is too pro-business, and under the pretext of "increasing prosperity to all Indonesians", are destroying nature, not listening to the will of the residents in the region, and will do anything to make way for these nasty ambitions. When it comes to big business interests, the Central Government moves as fast as possible to make sure smooth progress, but when the people are in dire need, they move slowly like a snail on one side, and on the other, "mobilize" their resources such as the police, some of the media, and "buzzeRp" to ensure their principles and agenda is carried out, regardless of what the people wants. The Indonesian people on both sides gets agitated every day from what the Central Government has been doing (not just in mining, on a lot of other things too), and there are strong political sentiments that is dividing this nation apart.
Honestly, we need more politicians like Mr. Hontong who still listens to the people. Always be critical to the government and big business interests!
Panjang umur perjuangan!
Amazing.
Those who oppose the large-scale mining, should also oppose the local artisanal miners who already use cyanide and create toxic waste.
Sad that the permit was even signed to mine the forested island. If you like wearing gold then you too are killing a forest..
The deputy leader of the council was killed
What can we do to help stop this?
Ty
Canadians like to think that they're environmentally sensitive. Google "alberta tar sands" and we can discuss further.
How can they sleep?
The fact that BBC have to delete so many comments is a good sign. It shows that people are waking up to what is happening in the UK.
1.8 million dead west papuans
fifty years of silence
2000 tons of tailings per day
still no word
I'm going to that island next month
If the current economic activities can sustain the livelihood of the islanders, together with the eco-tourism created after this BBC exposure, then it is wise enough for the Indon.Govt. to revoke the Gold-mine permit. Preserve the environment for future generation...👍👍
Humans will have to bare the cost for their greed no joke
indonesia should protect sangihe island, mining will destroy your island and will not guarantee prosperity to people
As LOCAL I agree with this mine. As long as they have a good price.
It'll all work out in the end.
04:32 I'm sorry mama, but our president was already blind and deaf
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They do this in Turkey. Turkish government let this for small petsonal gains. Dont let them destroy natural heritages. They are immeasurable services
Amazing For Canada.
Canadians are more caring, more gentle and more loving.
Very embracing people from Canada.
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We are caring people in Canada but we also have a greedy govt and they shut down anyone who opposes them
You can buy way more than 5 birds with gold. Stand aside.
The people should organize a militia and make it hell for the miners until they leave or are dead.
All the world's thoughts are business, not only in Indonesia but in other parts of the world ... the hot air that is blamed on Indonesia is now the technology company that uses coal oil in this world
Assalamualaikum
Is the biosphere fucked?
small scale mining using cynide is VERY bad for the fishes, kills thems in very tiny doses and as its an island their wastewater will always go right where they fish. On the other hand, mining company will likely ignore the "environmental rules" or bribe the inspectors.
"Humanity"
Also the 5k jobs yeah they will be paid peanuts for there work no benifits long hours slave labour unless they can offer fair wages security benifits etc
Isn't the CEO Hank from breaking bad?
It's a tiny island and community.....that's disgraceful...and all the gold should belong to those people ...
Shame.. where are nature's rights
The governor of the island was assassinated by them.
The peps get F... Their gov gets the pocket chain. They should change the rules and just pan and small mining ops. This will go towards the people.
Illegal mining? Big no. Honesty. Justice. Transparency
Its just a collision of two interests. One man wants birds on his backyard, and thousand - jewelry, circuits, chips and so one. I dont interested in his birds
So saddened to watch this. So little coverage of this. Another example of dominance over a small community and exploitation of the earth’s resources for human greed. Has the pandemic taught these people at Baru nothing about the damage humankind is wreaking on our beautiful planet. 😡😡
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”
(1 Samuel 15:3)
The infants I understand but the donkeys? That’s a little overboard.
Lollllll wave goodbye to this place everyone 👋 it’s got no chance when the corrupt mining barons take over!!!
It 's not you lsland... keep off it Canada. ..look what is happening to your Country
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Very biased piece. Clearly the illegal mining and logging has had a terrible impact on the environment, but put nothing back in terms of rehabilitation or sustainable jobs. Publicly listed mining companies have very high levels of transparency and accountability and put a lot of effort into minimising impacts and ensuring rehabilitation is done to high levels. It’s hard for most to swallow but times have changed - miners are the new conservationists. Because they have to be. More importantly, through royalty streams directly into conservation funds, mining can provide funding to sustainably develop conservation areas and when managed correctly, leave an annuity to keep funding conservation efforts long after the mine has closed. Which is more than anyone else does and often makes the critical difference. The real story here isn’t about mining in sensitive areas, it is about corruption of local officials not enforcing laws, allowing illegal mining and logging and land clearing and the resultant environmental disaster. But that is obviously too hard a target, so the cheap shots go at the only industry doing something about it.
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Amen!
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Avatar comes too mind when I watch this disgusting destroy more of our wonderfull planet for money
bitcoin fix this
Oh my, how could anyone even contemplate destroying the forest with largescale mining? Indonesian govt officials should be preserving their amazing land and not give away their resources to another country which has nothing in common with the way of life of the local community.
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Terrible
And everyone thinks the Canadians are lovely people!
How funny people are saying that companies should not mine this and mine that, then don’t consume any products with gold, o ya you can’t.. because even your computer, phone, car, etc. Uses it. Electronics in general requires it, so figure yeah and stop being a hypocrite.
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