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They had paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the prize for the passengers onboard the OceanGate submersible, Titan, was supposed to be worth every cent. They were promised the chance to visit the most iconic shipwreck in history, the Titanic.
But somewhere along the journey, 3.8 kilometres down into the hostile depths of the north Atlantic Ocean, catastrophe struck. As Amelia Adams reports, valuable lessons must be learned from this tragedy. The brutal reality is this wasn’t an adventure. Rather, like the Titanic, it was a disaster just waiting to happen.
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“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.” - Charles Bukowski
True! And just because you are rich does not mean you have intelligence or common sense.
Modest mouse made a song called "Bukowski".....good song
Soooo true!! 💯
@@marinagarza1803And a lot of so-called "intellectuals" with a lot of impressive degrees have the least amount of common sense. The most important kind of intelligence.
Love this. Have come to this conclusion myself over the years.
I was a cave diver in the 1980s and 90’s. My colleagues used to call me the “deco queen” because I saw no need to try and exit the water as quickly as possible instead opting to build safety factors into my decompression schedules. We were doing deep cave dives over 300 feet deep.
I was always the last to surface, to their jeers and derision. They would already have all their gear stowed and were changed into street clothes when I was still climbing out of the water.
I was also the only one who never suffered from decompression sickness.
Never let anyone pressure you into cutting safety corners.
Decompression "sickness" is like being strapped to a 3-D rack that you can't get off of. There's plenty of time to do it right. Your colleagues had proctocraniosis.
@@jguenther3049 they needed to see a proctologist
for brain damage!!!
Air bubbles in the bloodstream by sudden decompression end up in stroke, aneurysm, or embolism !!!
Just out curiosity, what type of places do you dive at 300 feet down?
Respect to you.
The guy was like most business owners. Cut corners where you can, break rules, save costs even if it jeopardize safety, and fire people who talk.
yeah, and he died finding out it did not add value to others and to society cause killing people in the deep is not adding value to society we have other ways of killing people like lethal injection and the electric chair, so we do not need an imploding submersible to kill people. and the silencing people is a toxic culture that's the airline industry in a nutshell.🤣🤣🤣
“Most business owners”
You mean people pushing the needle forward and creating this great app you’re typing on 🤡
@@gaving9463 The app is junk. Lol
@@gaving9463 just keep trying just keep trying🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue what are you trying to say? Say it!
That opening statement is just so raw:
"The reward for the titan passengers was supposed to be life changing. Instead, it was life ending"
well, looking carefully at the expression "live changing" also includes the meaning "live ending". to change your plan can also mean to throw it over board
I have a mechanical engineering degree & Stockton Rush had an aerospacial engineering degree, so I know we both studied fatigue failure, so after watching this video, I'm still baffled how Stocton Rush wasn't doing testing to retire his sub before fatigue failure. It's gross negligence.
Just because one can memorize information doesn’t make them smart.
That’s exactly what it is!!!
@@lindseyyoung9149Unless he changed his comment. I don’t think it was directed at the original post, it was directed at Rush
He was Arrogant!
They’re talking about Stockton Rush not being smart, not the original commentor. And I agree. You can get great grades or be book smart but lack wisdom or practicality.
I like the reporter keeping it real when she said there must be something wrong with the sub because 5 people are dead.
She was. The man had to swallow hard before he could answer😮
Right. Notice he looked away trying to think of something fast.
Fr
I love that she called him out and called a spade a spade.
@@barbarabarlow1535 I noticed that too!
Funny how the cofounder deflected every question thrown at him
Yeah they definitely got they money's worth out of him
She kept on him though, made him look foolish
It's funny how arrogant rich people can be when their riches are usually because of luck or passed down to them. But rich or poor when someone have zero remorse when lives are lost because they're "contributing to humanity" Then they're truly a psychopath. What do you contribute? You're charging people to take them to a popular historical site. Is Uber contributing toward humanity?
That idiot was twisting himself into a pretzel trying to remove any responsibility. When he said that they would have been insulted being called passengers. No, no, they were explorers! Damn, what an a-hole!
He kept using vague marketing terms like " to discover" and to "push science" "to innovate" blah blah blah but the entire industry already knew it wouldn't work. He was cheap. If the price of carbon fiber and Titanium were the same price, he would've gone with Ti. It was for cost saving not to "innovate". I'm confused as to what they're discovering or innovating, what am I missing
60 Minutes Australia is easily one of the most entertaining and informative news shows period. It’s so much better than the original US version that they should take pointers. They always deliver!
Clear to me that Stockton Rush felt he was right and everyone else was wrong. Avoid those people at all costs.
stuckt-on-stupid rush was a fool, good riddance. The 4 other souls he took with him are the tragedy
See also Elon Musk, Steve Huffman
An old analogy is the one about the proud mother watching her son in the marching band saying "Oh look. Everyone in the band is out of step except my Johnny".
@@thewhitefalcon8539 No Elon Musk is not like that. He hasn't lost anyone in space and he has put over 50 billion dollars into his space projects so NO HE'S NOT CHEAP!!
As a general rule u should question everything....but when an expert in their field (and u are not) u should probably listen to them. As a result an actual innocent was lost, the estranged son who didn't even want to be there. The only real victim. As the others were rich enough to know better, there is a reason super elites don't drive cheap plastic cars like progressives and their Tesla's, they drive thicc tanky suvs or limos that tend to be durable, equivalent to a submarine not submersible.
They should have watched the movie the meg or hired James Cameron's designers for his submersible.
But they chose to cut corners. This is the hubris of the elites. They didn't know they was being skimped on. Stockton had done to them what they probably did to others to become top dawgs to begin with. Step on others to get to the top, cut corners and sue into oblivion.
LOL that one guy from Oceangate says James Cameron doesn't know what he's talking about yet Cameron has dived to the Titanic 33 times and even built his own submersible to go down into the Challenger Deep, which is the deepest point of the ocean on the planet. Did it SOLO and came back to tell the tale.
Yep
And Cameron was a truck driver from Canada. He wasn't born into this. Although people said he was a "genius" at fixing trucks in Canada. @@derekdreke4990
Yeah I would trust James Cameron more than anyone that threw together a submersible just by parts from a hardware store.
Why did James Cameron turn down an offer by pos Rush?? Because Cameron knew it was nothing but a coffin ! Cameron is no fool 🤷♀️
Yes and the Challenger Deep makes the Titanic depth look like the shallow end of a pool.
There are (10) words to describe Stockton Rush:
(1) delusional
(2) negligent
(3) Megalomaniacal
(4) Ignorant
(5) Cheap
(6) Inexperienced
(7) Narcissistic
(8) Comedian
(9) Conman
(10) Egotistical
Sounds like trump...
Stockton Rush was a Narcissistic Sociopath.
(4) cheap
(5) ignorant
You forgot: fish food.
@@dbapto6994not even fish food. They were crushed so fast that their bodies basically became non-existent. No fish would be able to eat them except bacteria.
That’s how horrible this accident really was. Just to put it into MORE perspective of how much of an ASS Rush was.
I think what breaks my heart the most is the level of gleeful contempt people have toward the victims. A kid died. And yeah, he was 19 and not an actual child, but what 19 year old deserves to be mocked and ridiculed after his death. He trusted the adults around him. He trusted his dad. He had done nothing criminal, or diabolical, or even lived long enough to make a significant impact on the world one way or the other.
The kid didn't even want to go, originally. :(
@@Alexandros-ew1hr Oh my God, I didn't even know that.
@@haloedge2829 yeah he a doubts, but his father really wanted to go and it was father's day. So he did want to let his dad down😢
People are jealous of rich people. They like to hear abut their deaths.
There are vids to explain what happened to them, very popular. I worry that the west wll run out of novetly.
His dad is a true asshat. Stick to your gut if you feel bad about something, even if it's Father's day, trust me your crushed dad will completely understand why you didn't want to go
The look on his face after being told by the reporter “apparently something went wrong because 5 people are dead.” Was priceless 🤔
things were fixed I have to question the person whom repaired the sub hull as they obviously didn't fix it correctly
@@raven4k998 Im not sure theres a good answer to this.. What exactly can be done to fix a carbon fiber/epoxy composite material outside of replacing it entirely ?
His comments did everything possible to deflect attention away from the ultimate outcome. She put it back to the glaring truth.
He is despicable.
Yes!. He was SO full of it...
I love Australians. They are as un-filtered as they come. She didn’t hold back asking anything.
Did she ask if they tested the human remains for covid 19? Why are they covering up the real cause of their deaths?
My good friend Maggie was from down under and yes,she pulled no punches. I love and miss her
So true. I watched another interview with an Aussie who interviewed child molester/murderer Peter Scully and she pulled no punches and was at times pushing him to answer and was kind of demeaning. He got pissed and clammed up. It was refreshing to watch an interviewer not be afraid to challenge someone.
Good to see our Aussies being recognised 😎 cheers guys,,
I still remember the first time I heard how quickly this thing turned to steam in comparison to how quick we can blink or how quickly our brain acknowledges a thought or wtf,, an when U do the math it almost seems like a great way to go,, ya wouldn't even know it happened much less feel pain or anguish,,
It would be a great euthanasia 🤷
Some chilling parallels between the fates of the Titanic and the Titan. Charging ahead recklessly despite the warnings, safety a secondary concern.
One way of looking at this is that 111 years after she sank, Titanic claimed her final five victims. Here's hoping that lessons have been learnt, and they are indeed the final ones lost.
Never say never
No, probably not.
@@thevikingwarrior Sadly, you're probably right.
There will be more stupid people who try it. These aren't the last five.
I love 60 min Australia. Your stories are just so well produced. Your interviews are fair & not biased. Thankyou for putting these on you tube.
AMEN! Well said!
Well it’s not a political propaganda machine like media outlets here in the US.
Watching the co-founder try to defend Stockton Rush and the sub is unbelievable. He knows he's being sued into oblivion, so trying to "spin it" is all he can do, but he really shouldn't.
He needs to be in prison.
Yeah you can see the fear in his eyes. The families of the passengers will be able to afford serious lawyers, as a shareholder he’s going to be sued into oblivion
He's still so incredibly arrogant and smug too. Despicable human being.
He has to speak like that because if he says he knew of the potential problem, then the waivers are invalid due to known negligence
No doubt the co founder’s bank account and Ocean Gate stock is going to implode faster than the Titan submersible ever did
The guy with the blue shirt that was interviewed started doubling down every time Amelia Adams reminded him that "something must have been wrong cause 5 people died" the guy showed no remorse and keep blurting out a load of Rubbish. This guy has NO CREDIBILITY
He's a stockholder. He's probably changing his pants every half hour.
You are 100% correct! He is Guillermo Söhnlein, OceanGate co-founder, and as such, disregarded all the warnings about the Titan just as much as Rush did. He has blood on his hands too. No conscience and no sense.
@@Rescuemom3 OceanGate co-founder, and just as guilty as Rush.
He's legally liable. He can't say a lot.
@@jadeh2699 He left Oceangate in 2013. Titan didn't exist.
At 1:26 ...I'm sorry Stockton, what did you say you were going to steer this thing with? "A nintendo controller"? Ok, I'm out.
Man make it make sense 🎯
The controler wasnt the problem lol. Nowadays its common routine even in the us army to use controllers.
It was the god damned carbon fiber.
Did any of you guys even listened to anything lmao
@@toph_toff974 Who in the hell said the controller was the problem????? I was simply making an observation about the fact that sub was controlled by a game controller and that I would react in the manner in which I commented...upon seeing what he was using to steer the vessel, I would have opted out of the voyage. Did you even read my comment? It was only one sentence. lmao
@@toph_toff974 Controllers are used for things like drones, where there is not a high risk of something catastrophic happening if it fails. Definitely not for anything that's rated for humans. I challenge you to find a single appliance where an off-the-shelf piece like this is used in a similar application. You won't find one.
Ayo can we appreciate Stockton’s friend being a real one?!? What a good dude.
Yes we can. I notice that’s too lol
Nah he's just protecting his own skin. Otherwise he'll get sued to oblivion
These guys (Rob and Karl) on the interview are heroes. They spoke out and one lost his job over it. I applaud them.
Yes! A toxic work environment when safety concerns are ignored and you’re fired! Bet those guys are thanking their lucky stars they weren’t aboard.
😳😳 are you serious???? Am I gonna see that in here? I’m only at 2:49, but that’s a damn shame if they lost their job over, trying to warn for peoples lives. Yup… the world has gone to hell in a handbasket.!!! 💯x💯
They might not even be right tho. It may have imploded because they lost thrust and descended too fast.
Rob: "you can't consent to something you don't really understand".
It had death mentioned 8 times in the waiver...
It's hard to fathom a kid’s entire existence being annihilated in milliseconds despite him having better intuition than the multimillion-dollar engineers who created that Fisher-price playset of a sub. Denying the obvious safety issues associated with the titan is perhaps the biggest slap in the face to the families involved.
Preach
That's the only death that upsets me. It was a kid, forced by his father to go for the sake of his company in a dumb PR stunt that the kid knew would end in death. Good riddance to the rest and may the child rest in peace.
That story of the son not wanting to go is apparently from the aunt of the family who was not on good terms with the dad. According to his wife, both the kid and the father were thrilled for the trip, they both were obsessed with the titanic for a year before the trip. She gave her seat to her son, because he really wanted to go, not because he was forced to. He wanted to set the world record for solving the Rubik's cube at the lowest depth. They all were lulled into a sense of safety by the CEO.
They signed waivers saying this was dangerous and alleviating them of liability. The rich families were stupid. The ones that committed suicide and the family members that let them go ...
I believe it was said Rush had college interns involved in the engineering of the sub, specifically the electrical systems.
What is nuts to me is that there was only 1 submersible. I thought there were others to take its place. One scientist said he should have charged 1 million a ticket and replaced the titan every 3 or 4 trips.
Well, they shouldn't have replaced it with an inferior sub such as that at all!
Years ago, I remember watching a news clip when they first made this thing. My husband said, "If we were rich, wouldn't that be awesome to go on?" I replied, "No way! That thing is a death trap."
🤷♀️
I'm genuinely curious what made you come to that conclusion unless you're an engineer specializing in subs? So funny that everyone says this after the fact.
I mean that thing didn’t look safe. The game controller he was proud to use should’ve been a big tip off that this man was using glue and a pray from arrogance instead of investing. Plus you were sealed shut inside so even if it hadn’t imploded there were other tragic alternatives that could’ve happened being sealed inside with no contact.
@@beanj580you must be the joker here. Everyone could see this was a toy.
@@Neria-Gioiaplease share your expertise on submarines? While you're at it, please share your educational background with us. It amazes me how many people now claim it looked like a " toy". A toy that made it to the Titanic 13 times successfully, along with countless other deep dives. While clearly there was a design flaw that caused its implosion, calling it a toy is a joke
The idea that "you don't die, you just cease to exist" is terrifying. It's unimaginable, going from life to nothingness in the middle of blinking or a speaking one syllable.
I think hitting an iceberg and suffering for two or three houes in cold water is worse
Yep that’s how it goes🤷♂️
I find it comforting. Death normally seems violent and painful.
You all need some Jesus ❤✌🏽 and then death isn’t a big deal anymore.
I think that these people didn’t put the safety first after all the concerns that were raised. Money was a big factor here,but unfortunately it cost them there lives. Too many cutting the corners…..
"The whole volume of the submersible collapses in about 2 milliseconds. And it takes 25 milliseconds for the human brain to detect a threat. So, it's not so much that you die... it's that you cease to exist. It's almost the perfect end." 😳 That was heavy.
I thought the exact same thing! I thought this was a disgusting use of analytical linear thinking and incredibly rude to the loved ones involved. They had some clue they were facing a threat by at least 20 minutes before imploding. Death is universal but after saying nature transcends us then making a dramatic statement like that shows a lack of hubris in himself as well. It’s cruel and at best no one knows what truly exists. If we are indeed part of nature like suggested…these people could have met a very peaceful melding of oneness with everything.
Well, apparently it seems like with multiple alarms going off and with Rush trying to quickly surface, they had an inkling that they were going to die.
@@Erthangel000 exactly! those 20 minutes were HELL!!!!
@@Erthangel000 "Shows a lack of hubris" - I think lacking hubris is a good thing. Stockton certainly could have benefitted from lacking hubris.
They undoubtedly experienced seconds if not minutes of pure, unadulterated terror. Far from a perfect end.
If Rush had had paid me I wouldn't have gone on that "submarine ". It looks like he built it in his garage on a $1000 budget. RIP to the tourists.
Titanic down there like Leave me alone or die
Well done to the father and son who didn’t trust the quality of the submersible and pulled out.
Yeah, the kid who Stockton Rush called uninformed for voicing concern.
@@B3AR.WITH.M3A Las Vegas investor called Jay Bloom and his 20 year old son.
Yeah what made them pull out was the Sketchiness of doctor Stocketen When he flew to see them in march in a untested plane the father was thinkng this guy is fucked and has some kinda death wish we ant going in the sea in an Unsafety test sub witch is just common sense at least to me and probably most people in the world.
I wouldn't go in a submarine for all the gold in the world, lm a land lubber for life.
I did not I've been a researcher of the RMS Titanic since high school and I can tell you this much they were already dead as soon as they enter in that submersible nightmare
The way he dodged and pivoted away from the question about the unnecessarily risk...10/10
He has no real arguments but appeal to emotion.
She is a Great journalist👍🏻 love the “it has to be something wrong with it, 5 people have died!” 👏🏻
One could argue that the experience was definitely life-changing
He was not blinded by his passion. He was blinded by his greed for money. He did not care for the lives of his customers.
I don't think so. He wouldn't be inside the sub if he was all about money.
@@whiteRiceSupremacistmaybe? But he had to go, cuz he was the boss, wanted all the notoriety for it. It was all about money….. he made that clear when he said he wanted to innovate like Elon did with Tesla
He was an idiot for using this sub but In all fairness they used most if not all of the funds from these trips by OceanGate Expeditions to fund the expeditions for OceanGate Foundation, which funded the expenses of scientists.
it's not like he pocketed the money afaik, there was a real Nautical archaeology/Marine science part in OceanGate Inc.
He was Captain Ahab in pursuit of Moby Dick, possessed of passion in a Greek tragedy.
I don't think the lives of others ever even got on his radar. All of his arrows pointed inward to him. People like that are always dangerous.
Amelia your interview was spot on with Stockton’s friend. You kept circling back saying people are dead and just glared at him. Brilliant
Hey but we apparently learned so much about the ocean so it's all good. What a joke that guy is
@@BuserODL I know right. Its almost as if the deaths of five people are acceptable in light of that! 😑
It's especially infuriating how he tries to equate paying passengers as seasoned explorers whose investments were for the benefit of ocean exploration.
B.S. Stockholders are investors in a company's direction. They were customers of the company and the company's product failed and killed them.
This friend is in denial, he knows he is also guilty, hoping some take every penny, he is also guilty.
Notice how he says he would never associate reckless with Stockton or Oceangate “at least when I was there” - can’t have it both ways buddy
This documentary is amazing
Great video about a tragic topic. Great interviewer too
What fascinates me about this entire story is that since the accident, there have been numerous experts describing the problems with the submersible and not one expert who says on camera, "This is what Ocean Gate contributed to the further knowledge of the ocean." It was a mouse trap for billionaire tourists.
From what Karl Stanley was saying, Rush and Nargeolet kind of had a death wish.
It's been said that OceanGate was run on an increasingly raggedy shoestring and P-H Nargeolet was still in mourning for his wife who died of cancer.
Plus, McCallum was saying that being in an imploding submersible is "almost the perfect end"
I hope that the people in the Titan didn't have a chance to get scared about dying before it happened.
But Rush and Nargeolet may have welcomed it.
@@mcsmith732 why would rush want to die tho there is no reason, I think he’s just overconfident and dumb
Because OceanGate didn't contribute any new knowledge of the ocean. The experts knew the implosion was completely preventable from the get go. From what they already know about the ocean. That's the whole reason this tragedy is so important. Plenty of good people told this CEO dude it was impossible and he dismissed it out of pure arrogance. His dream was more important than his life and the lives of his customers.
Yeah I bet if some normies died paying a piddly 10K, no one would have cared.
In theory oceangate were supposed to undertake ocean research, and was using the tourism expeditions to finance it, whether that would have ever materialised who knows.
As a polar oceanographer, I am intrigued by the assertion of the man defending OceanGrate in this piece that the Titan was somehow breaking new ground in oceanography. I haven't once encountered anything in the scientific literature where the Titan was responsible for a new discovery. Perhaps I am reading the wrong journals. If you want to see how discoveries are made with a submersible, look no further than the work done by the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute.
And appearantly according to Guillermo, human lives are a price worth paying for finding out above (non existant) things, listen to him carefully in his last statement... mind boggling!
@@jefo2405 I know! “Stockton wasn’t reckless” ok sure dude
Totally agree. He’s probably the type of guy who thinks his every trip to Whole Foods is an “innovative creation given to mankind”.
So gross. Reminds me of Elizabeth Holmes’ babble-speak nonsense.
Why go with tried and true spherical pressure chambers when we could try something totally new and unproven? This seems like a field where tried and true is gonna be much better than the bleeding edge of technology
Forgive my lack of deep sea knowledge but theoretically couldn't Oceangate have just made a larger and thicker titanium sphere to fit a couple of passengers, instead of a carbon fiber tube? I understand it would've been substantially larger and more expensive but I think the target clientele would've paid more. All you've gotta tell a billionaire is that they could be in the record books or go where only a few have gone and they'll spend a fortune! Victor Vescovo spent almost $50M to be the first to the five deeps, wild lol
I remember that Victor Vescovo used the largest pressure simulating machine (in the world) in Russia to certify his ship and it only barely fit. I think he went to Challenger Deep like 15 times without issue along with countless other dives before selling his CERTIFIED submersible.
So theoretically there would be no way to test the larger sphere... oh wait maybe there is! Why not just lower it to 20% deeper than the deepest they ever plan to dive with no people in it. Why not do this ten times?
You'd think if your gonna put your own @$$ in the thing maybe Stockton would've done a failure test before risking lives.
Oversimplified by a non-diving, sub guy but it seems rational lol
Honestly think Silicon Valley Marketing Hype mentality became so ingrained in the company founders that they might even believe their own marketing materials.
Lies have consequences.
Great story of sub disaster. Your questions are very valuable and informative.. india..
That poor 19 year old kid thought that he was just going out with his father to have a good time and never realizing he was at a death trap at 19 years old unbelievable in Heartbreaker
What I find most shocking is that Mr. Titantic himself, Paul Henri, so well versed in submersible diving , went down with that ticking time implosion.
It would be like Wilbur Wright telling Orville… I have designed a new aeroplane… it doesnt have wings, lets get in and push it over a cliff.
Paul Henri had recently lost his wife, and stated that he was lonely, and a grieving widower. I believe that clouded his judgement, as he could lose himself in his work, spending time with colleagues. Pair that with manipulative, reckless Stockton Rush’s poor judgement, and you’ve got a deadly combination. Paul Henri was taken advantage of when he was at his most vulnerable.
@@DAquingilNo if you review Paul’s last message where he describes death by implosion as instantaneous and consider how he grieved for his lost wife and loved visiting the Titanic then you see his reasoning.
To Paul it was win win. If the submersible performed well he got to visit the Titanic. If it failed be joined his wife in eternity. If that was his vision it clouded his judgement regarding the lives of his companions.
R.I.P. the crew of the Titan..
That tells you what a salesman Rush was. People keep saying how foolish it was for people to go in the Titan, but Rush sold it to them by doing everything he could to say it was safe.
@@madlenellul3430 I'd concur. Not sure if it clouded his judgement to the other passengers.
Why should he be responsible for their idiocracy!
Safety is NEVER a waste of cash.
I love the thumbnail used of that moe-ron.
If he was around in 1912, Stockton Rush would've been the first to say Titanic was unsinkable
As a safety professional in the oil and gas industry, one statement really hit me. "It's great fun breaking world records, but they don't count if everyone doesn't make it back home" 😔😔😔
That's serious statement in the field of safety
Safety in oil & gas you wanker
Big facts right there.
@@kennedyamevor9959😊😊
Record of Guinness updated today "the unsinkable titan" Is sunken again!!!
60min Australia has the BEST, most thought out, hard hitting questions and answers delivered by top notch interviewers ever, hands down
If she was confronting me about one of my inadequacies, my man parts would shrivel. 😳
I've yet to be disappointed by their reporting in these 60 minute coverages. They do a very good and respectful job indeed.
True
2:40 gave me goosebumps.... we are definitely not in control.... mother nature is!
He's being VERY defensive.
The absolute blatant disregard to safety SCREAMS out.
The dive should NEVER have gone ahead with such irresponsible management.
The guy who was a shareholder in OceanGate couldn’t let anyone say anything negative about Stockton Rush and the submersible. He wouldn’t even say Rush should take any responsibility for what happened. Pretty messed up. There is nothing new we learned from this event except that Rush clearly didn’t know what he was doing. Everyone knows the ocean is dangerous but it’s even more dangerous when a rich and egotistical person is in charge.
He must have major money invested in OceanGate. Why else would anyone defend a killer like Rush?
@@RichardE221Notice he's still a shareholder even though he left years ago
lol that man said some straight stupidity. She said then he might not have died, and he said then the ocean may have never been explored? He died last month, not during the titanic. He was nothing to science, nor were they doing it for science. These men were trying to get rich, and they don't care who had to die in their attempts.
He should be ashamed of himself, honestly. What a weasel he is! How can he say Rush wasnt reckless? He killed 4 other people and contributed NOTHING to our knowledge of the ocean. Titan was an egomaniac's pet project, nothing more.
He possibly succumbed to the present pervasive spirit of wordplay ie. just saying something makes it concrete (eg. "Trans" this & that, pronouns etc)
I will never forget the US Coast Guard officer at the press conference. A reporter asked if the bodies would be recovered. It looked like he was biting his tongue to not say, "What bodies?" I have no doubt that these poor people were vaporized. If they had to go, I'm so relieved that they didn't slowly suffocate. I was literally having nightmares about that.
I expect slow death from carbon dioxide levels rising is painless. Just get drowsy and fall asleep I think. Don't have nightmares.
Essentially human spaghetti. Sorry to be so graphic, but that's how it looked like with the Byford Dolphin and other similar explosive decompression fatalities.
That doesn't make it any less shitty. Dying unseen and unheard, bodies forever swallowed up by dark depths is nightmarish enough
get a bigger teddy bear little boy.
@@drats1279relax brother, some sympathy wouldn’t hurt.
I had the same Logitec controller. It was pretty good value tbh
It's like blinking and you're gone
“If [Stockton Rush] had done nothing, he and the crew would still be alive, but then humanity may still be stuck not knowing anything about the world’s oceans.”
Oh yeah, we learned so much from Stockton Rush and the Titan about the world’s oceans. We learned that if you build a shoddy submarine and try to go deep diving you’ll die.
Thanks, OceanGate! 👍
true, every video i've seen on the titan mention how suseptible carbon fiber is to the pressure at the 4000 meters
@@GateKeeper_Systems Carbon fiber is good to use for tensile streghts (that's why is used in aviation), not compression streghts.
😮😁💀
Yeah that stuck in my throat...no regard for the lives lost, what a complete arrogant arse.😡
And the world now has more wreckage to go check out and learn about the dangers of poor safety protocols, poor design engineering, and the hubris of CEO's that decide they don't need to listen to the warnings of industry experts.
Even the co-founder is just overflowing with hubris. "Yes, they could still be alive...but we could also be stuck not knowing anything about the world's oceans." I mean, wow. The submersibles that are capable of diving to the deepest part of the ocean without killing anyone have clearly learned nothing about the deep oceans that Titan didn't learn by taking tourists to a shipwreck.
Exactly. I'm sure those passengers wouldn't have traded their lives for the experience if they could go back in time! What an insulting, stupid thing to say. Well I shouldn't be surprised. The co-founder must be as dumb as Rush to have ever been involved in the creation of this tin can. It's not just the carbon fiber that was an issue, i just can't get over the fact that they used a crummy window that was never meant to be pushed as far down to the depths that it was. If that's not reckless I don't know what is...
Totally agree, most listeners didn't even seem to pick up on that.
The cofounder won’t say a thing that puts him in financial jeopardy. He knows they’re going to get sued on a massive scale, so he doesn’t want to say a word about ignoring warnings and taking huge irresponsible risks.
He’s going to support Rush and the company and just pretend that it was just a tragic accident that they didn’t expect.
They were warned by experts multiple times.
Agree! What a way to not put value on their lives.
@@NashvilleTuneStream exactly
Nobody is talking about the fact the Titian was sinking much faster than normal. The Skylark even asked, “Do you need to adjust velocity?” The Titian was unquestionably heavy that day. They even had to drop the frame, but the ascent was still to slow to surface any time soon. It was doomed at this point, but why was it heavy? They dragged it for almost three days on a small raft exposed to rough seas and plenty of salt water. Could the carbon fiber hull absorbed many pounds of water? They didn’t weigh the sub to be sure it was on weight? The Titian was far too heavy that day, and nobody is talking about why!
Love it when stories have happy endings 🥰
"pride comes before the fall" and Stockton Rush fell. Unfortunately, he took 4 others with him. Tragic, totally avoidable accident.
"Pride goeth before destruction. A haughty spirit goeth before a fall."
I feel like there needs to be a new definition of “accident”. It doesn’t quite fit here.
Just like pride month before the fall.
6:48 sums up Stockton Rush's attitude of wanting to be the first, the Nicola Tesla of submersible tech I suppose.
Twice the Pride, Double the Fall!
She has a great “you need to give me a better answer than that“ face.
And he has that “Shit, I just KNEW you’d ask me that” expression on his face. lol
@@jeffvickers9390 And it's obvious the whole interview was created and edited to produce something sensational and akin to a Reality TV feel. Pointless.
Dave Chappelle says in 30 more years, he is going to take a submersible down to see the submersible. ha
Clayton Bigsby character hopefully😂
If 60 minutes was more than a tabloid they would be telling the story before the tragedy. It's always easy being a Monday morning QB.
I think the reason Rush went on every dive is because if something went wrong he rather be dead than deal with the aftermath of everything he poured his heart and soul into falling apart at the seams. I think that close friend was right about him having some sort of death wish
He was running an ad for "submersible pilot" up until the end. He also tried to get his bookkeeper to become the "pilot". She was creeped out about that because she was an accountant and quit.
@@barba928 Seriously? Damn, I bet she got the chills when she saw the news about this for the first time.
@@barba928That's insane.
Rush was the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and completely incapable of questioning his own judgment.
ive been thinking this exact thing.. dude had issues..
The question she asked was, "Isn't taking paying passengers on an unclassed sub, about which there'd been several safety warnings, down to the Titanic, an unnecessary risk?"
And he doesn't answer the question! He answers that two of the crew members "would cringe if they were being labeled as tourists or passengers; they considered themselves explorers."
A) No, they would not cringe.
B) That's not what she asked!
C) What about the two non-explorers? The actual tourists?
He and Rush are cut from the same cloth.
He cannot call them passengers because even the Bahamas have rules about passenger safety. But yeah, I forsee him having a really painful few years.
Like Rush he is in complete denial.
He's got one eye on the civil litigation that's on the way. So he can't even go near directly addressing a question involving recklessness or risk given that he's (more or less) the one holding the OceanGate bag. For me the question is: why did he do this interview at all? Does he honestly believe that he can change the public and expert perception of this fiasco?
He's basically scum
Narcissistic brats with lots of money as what they are
It was life changing
Even not being an Engineer, I can see wrapping a narrow Carbon Fiber Tape around the Tube would make for a Weak Structure
That Asshole CEO tried to Break the unbreakable Rules/Laws of Physics...
Listening to Söhnlein just parroting all the same platitudes that we've seen Rush trot out, even after they've demonstrably _killed four people,_ is infuriating.
He knows that if the families decide to sue it will cost him money .That is the only reason he is protecting his buddy disgusting 🤢
@@Pringle1001 If?
For all suffering narcissistic abuse and femicide from arrogant Rush stockings in this world, for the love of god - sue them, sue criminals whenever you can! They had money to pay the ticket. They have money to sue thier butts off this planet.
I agree, it is infuriating. I had hoped that he would have a conscience but he doesn't. He couldn't even answer a direct question. He's a stock holder who is deluded if he thinks he's going to save his investment with these platitudes.
Incredibly irritating. And trying to paint it with the brush of science and exploration - it's none of that, the Titanic has been visited numerous times, there's nothing there to learn. The only thing to know was what those materials would do under pressure - and that's what Rush was warned and ignored.
Especially when suggesting that Stockton Rush was risk averse is an outright lie
He might’ve went out with the biggest bang but he took people with him that trusted him who weren’t ready to go out with the biggest bang in history
Most definitely NOT the biggest bang in history....check the history books
#hiroshima
Hey, they signed a waiver. If I'm paying 250K for a ride 2 miles down into the ocean, I'm going to ask questions and I want to be in a "certified" vehicle LOL. How dumb can you be as a billionaire to say, "yeah this carbon fiber, camper fan/light built sub is great, top of the line!"
Exactly 👏👏
@@markdog9104 See, this is what I think too. Money doesn't equate to intelligence, is that lesson. But again, I didn't need to see this catastrophe to know that fact.
He might have GONE out ....
I wouldn't have been bolted inside that thing if they offered me $10 million. A deep sea submersible should be primarily constructed out of two materials, steel and titanium.
What we learned. Don’t go 4000 m under in a tin can. Fascinating revaluations
I'm just here to say I'm so glad we can finally comment on 60 minutes Australia videos after years of silently watching 😂.
Yes!
Exactly!!
Finally
Bunghole farts.
THREE DOZEN experts put in writing the extreme concerns they had with the safety of Titan, yet nobody was able to stop or at least temporarily halt the dives?? That’s criminal.
If you wanted to drive your car into the ocean tomorrow in attempts to use it as a submarine I could tell you it’s a bad idea, but nothing I can do to stop you
No laws were broken. He intentionally designed it to work around the law. It would have required updating the international treaty on the rules in international waters to stop it. In other words, it is impossible to stop someone from being this stupid.
And journalists were advertising Rush for free, he was giving interviews, there was reportage I watched couple of months ago about it, even tourists gave interviews. That contributed to those people feeling that it is safe to do this with him.
Dozens of experts tell you that smoking is bad but you're still allowed to smoke and get a license to sell cigarettes to others
Criminal? No, actually not.
But insanely stupid and retarded? Yes, absolutely🤦♂️ Morons should never do stuff like this. Look where it got them🙄🤦♂️
A lot of similarities between the sun and the space shuttle. Passengers were also referred to as ‘missson specialists’, and I’d like to see the waiver they have to sign.
8:42 That should've been a huge red flag for anyone who worked with the company's CEO.
The Titan tourists weren't crew... Crew members are paid to operate a ship.. and the tourists bought a ticket to visit the Titanic.. RIP 🙁
Well technically they're not the crew however if you watch the video posted by DALLMYD called "Titanic Sub Tourism Expedition" he was one of the tourists and they still asked them to help with fixing something on the sub so it seems they treated the tourists as part of the crew, only instead of getting paidthey were paying them while working for free
Exactly! Legally, I heard they couldn't take paying customers in anything not inspected and "classed", so they went around that by making customers working crew "mission specialists" and the $$$ required for a ticket is instead a suggested "donation" to the company. I also heard that crew members would have had fewer legal protections than customers would have. They weren't scientific explorers helping humanity to learn more about the ocean, like this guy said, in the least.
Show the documentary I don't wanna see. A stupid woman nodding her head.
Typical
Rush's friend tries to explain away the obvious to possibly save the company from imploding as well
Save their investment
They were classed as "researchers" to skirt regulations about taking tourists. They were probably given some lame busy work to justify to themselves and others that they were researchers / explorers when of course they were just fee paying guests.
The co-founder of OceanGate (who since left the company ten years ago) is either in severe denial or is trying to justify his involvement in the company and the company’s appalling actions. It was infuriating to hear him answer the reporter’s questions, as if OceanGate and Stockton were completely innocent and the company’s prized vessel hadn’t just killed five human beings.
Yes. And the cofounder just said here Yes, sure people died. But it was worth it to know more about the ocean. 😮
I think he infuriated me the most. Total dumbass. Leave it up to the professionals
@@pattersonellen He's delusional.
@@tisha954yes, most narcissist come across as psychotic by default. There's a definite lack of empathy going on with him and a complete disregard for the facts in the matter. (Cognitive dissonance)
Great comment! He makes me so sick I almost threw up!
The ends were glued, GLUED together!!!!!!!!!
this reminds me of that oil rig accident with the bell where the business owner was in charge and tried the bell out on an angle killing everyone inside.
I’m confused, so what did OceanGate contribute to ocean exploration? They were going to a ship wreck that is well documented and as far as I know they were a service based company not a research based one.
some of their earlier subs were actually functional at reasonable depths, and have good service records.
these subs were used on research missions and if you see them, they look like conventional subs, not the cheap carbon fiber coffin he died in.
They were going down for a look see & that is all. They could not do anything but look. Fish do not exist at that depth. So not even treasure. They could have visited the Britannic as it is not as deep...and basically the same size ship...though it is in the Baltic Ocean.
fish most definitely do exist at that depth, and even deeper than that but it’s true either way-there were no gains to the expedition other than Rush and OceanGate gaining a couple extra bucks
@@bunzeebear2973Yes, fish do exist even deeper than The Titanic. The Mariana Trench. Deepest part of the Ocean in the Pacific. Boy, they are very strange looking fish. Google it. They are the Ugliest looking fish I've ever seen. It's so crazy.
I feel the saddest for the father and son, I think the rest of the passengers understood the risk better than that man and his son.
I think a lot of people feel the same. The others were explorers, but the businessman seemed to not understand the risks, otherwise he surely wouldn't have brought his son down. He just wanted to give his son an incredible and unique experience
"We're rich, what can possibly happen?" AKA "Nothing bad EVA happens to the Kennedys!" (Corvette randomly flips)
He paid 500k?!? He had plenty of time to think about that. To put his son at risk? That was not a trip to Disney.
@@13nlsc It was his son's decision because the trip coincided with Father's Day and he wanted to bond with his father. He was terrified about going but he did it anyway for his father. Tragic.
no they didn't. not only they did not understand, Stockton blatantly lied how 'safe' Titan was to gain their confidence. Even Henry Paul Nargeolet was no engineer but simply experienced in seeing Titanic multiple times. Nargeolet was also warned that Stockton is luring customers by using him as leverage but apparently Nargeolet brushed it off as he was old and just wanted to see Titanic. There are interviews and letters proving what I said.
I would say the voyage was life changing!
Well it doesn't get more life changing than that!!!
"You don't die, you just cease to exist" wow, powerful words.
At least he is hoping. Otherwise, there just might be some kind of judgment, where each person must give an account. I wonder what kind of luck the dead CEO is having right now.
@@pixietherabbit5176 He's not talking about metaphysics or religion. He's referring to the physical body basically being vaporized before the mind/body could actually register it's death. Think of getting hit with a full phaser shot in Star Trek where one is just taken out in a flash with no pain or physical suffering of any kind.
I deff want a comedian "chief engineer" to hang my life on.
@Mlogan11 Yep, I knew what he meant, but the way he phrased it made you realise how the end actually went.
...and they, these words, couldn't be more flat out WRONG. No one, not one of us EVER "cease(s) (sic) to exist". Ask any scientist, we only change form. We go on...and on, and on...and on...and on...♾. And yes, so does our consciousness, allowing us to remember and to learn our lessons....ps: I realize this is besides the point, as no one WANTS to even come close to proving that point.
If Stockton Rush was ready to meet his death he shouldn't ask others to do so !!! It's irresponsible !!!
He wanted to go down in history. He probably felt not seen and thought if can kill myself hey related to the titanic, while also taking out billionaires. I will forever be talked about and be as famous as the titanic itself.
No children were on board. All of these people were dipshits who sought this out.
Stockton Crush
@@weiluo8268no one was forced to do shit
@@Pebble834he lied to them. He's a con man
This reminds me of that movie from the 80's where the kids build the space ship
I visited Southampton,home of the Titanic.Where it set sail and most of the crew came from
Been fascinated by Titanic since 1969, but would never want to go down. Not the restricted space, but the knowledge there was all that water pressing in on me.
I'm claustrophobic, I'm pretty sure I'd be unable to get into that thing at all.
@@richardjones4662I don't even like MRI machines lol screw a submarine!
I just prefer,not to visit an underwater cemetery.
@@moonstar21868pretty sure they’re dead now… 😢
Yes, the paradoxical idiom "I wouldn't be caught dead doing that" absolutely holds for going down there in the Titan, or even a more scientifically sound and safety-checked submersible. Due to the chaotic deep sea currents down there, a journalist did a segment talking about the time he went down there in a much safer research submersible, and the currents still pushed them into one of the Titanic's propellers, where they were _stuck for almost an hour._
It was only the skill of their pilot that saved them, by somehow finally getting them unwedged. They also did have communication as opposed to the Titan, because they were using an actual, few km long physical line to the mission's ship on the surface. Even in the safest, most highly-regarded and quadruple safety checked submersible, the simple knowledge of literally millions of tons of water on top of me, and a two plus hour trip just to get back to the surface is more than enough for me to never do something like this.
You literally couldn't pay me to do it, whereas these people had to pay a few year's worth of the average household income in the US for the "privilege" of going down in the implosion timebomb that was the Titan.
The fact that SR himself went down in the submersible sent the message to his clients that this was a safe submarine. SR knew this was dangerous which makes him both suicidal and homicidal.
I love to see the financial records of the company. I believe they may have have been problems and Oceangate needed money...and Sh needed to go down with sub knowing the risks !😀
Yes. And the cofounder just said here Yes, sure people died. But it was worth it to know more about the ocean. 😮
I just don’t know. I keep trying to figure him out and I think perhaps his narcissism was so strong that it wouldn’t allow him to believe that anything could ever happen to challenge his superiority. I struggle to understand. I struggle to see if a narcissist ( and I am very intimately acquainted with one…my mother) can really fathom the idea of their own mortality and fragility.
@@marilynsgirl01 well said. Delusional
His dead clients ignored the warnings too. I’m not a submarine guy and I knew that sub was ridiculously unsafe, so they had to have known there was 36 signatures from professionals who said it was a trap
Stockton Rush was a legend in his own mind
Sounds just like Donald Trump doesn't it?
14:26 "I know 2 of the other 4 crew members that were lost, would cringe if they were labeled tourists or passengers" -Guillermo Sohnlein
Wow he really said this. Well that can't "cringe" now can they Guillermo?
The ending was best said, “we’re taken enough from her to know her history, it’s time we let her rest” 👏🏾👏🏾
Yes; absolutely 💯 I agree. Let the Titanic rest from here on out.
Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it. 9:36 you can't consent to that which you don't understand. Having gone through covid I find that statement incredibly misunderstood.
Rush is a fitting last name because this man rushed EVERYTHING, from the design to the equipment used to pilot it.
His last name,should be Snafu or Clusterf***.
His unchecked hubris was seriously second to none - many people said he was actually a very intelligent engineer and he did get a BS from Princeton, no less (though it wasn't a Masters to be fair), but him being the definition of arrogant is what killed him and his passengers on board that must have mistaken his brash confidence and salesmanship with safety. His obsession with being some kind of maverick trailblazer, rather than just doing his due diligence, and maybe just going with already well tested materials like titanium, etc., is what killed him and the rest.
What's been crazy to me about this whole incident is learning about the extreme physics of what occurs during an implosion at that depth: the immense pressure and sheer weight of millions of tons of water, suddenly compressing what amounts of an incredibly tiny bubble of gas, will lead to a near instantaneous explosion/implosion, much like a piston in a vehicle engine from the compression - to the point that in a few milliseconds, all that air became momentarily _hotter than the surface of the sun_ in a bubble that oscillated many times per second, due to the conflicting forces of the super-heated gas wanting to expand versus the millions of tons of water pressing inward. Absolutely wild and one can only hope they didn't know what was coming, since they literally weren't capable of registering any pain or even awareness of the actual implosion that killed them all.
The ironyyyyy
I watched a CZcams video on Geological Engineering a while ago. There was a section on the compression of rocks, how when the force is taken off them they rebound somewhat but not back to the original position. The same with repeated compressions, until they finally shatter. Rocks are a material, a hard material, so similar physics would have been happening to the material the submersible was made from. Rush should have learnt about rocks, and had rocks on his mind instead of rocks in his head.
Did he say rhyno liner? Lol omg!
And he stopped short of patting himself on the back for the brilliant idea he had. Grinning ear to ear he was.
This story is so wild and tragic. Rush is a perfect example of what we don't want in our engineering fields. Rushed, shotty work with little testing and little thought. In my eyes, this man is a criminal and what he had coming was inevitable. Warned multiple times by true experts and did not opt into testing that would have shown the flaws of his work. Sad that others had to die with him but I feel empathy for them just wanting to see the titanic. It's really incredible what a little bit of charisma can convince people to do. I saw one look at that fucking thing and my first thought was: "No way in hell I'd ever get in that thing." There's a reason actual deep sea submersibles are spheres and not cylinders... There's also a reason they're usually made of materials like titanium, not carbon fiber.
Yes a greedy egoistic criminal. Good he is gone but took others with him.
Tragic? For whom?
@@mandyharewood886 The 5 people who died...
@@nejyz Can't say that I care.
I agree with your comments but it's hard for me to stomp on a person's grave after he's already suffered (pardon the pun) a crushing blow.
He was wreckless to say the least and he lured the passengers into it. R.I.P. to the passengers and condolences to their loved ones
They were billionaires but not too bright
If only you cared about the 75k Ukraine people killed as much as these volunteer numbskulls
You can say that he lured them into it, but they were willing passengers that knew there was a great risk of death.
@@tombryan1 That's not how it works buddy.
He was reckless, but certainly not wreckless.
Shows you how astonishingly powerful the ocean is.
To ignore legitimate concerns about the safety of the Titan is arrogance. Stockton Rush thought he knew better than anyone else. That's hubris.
The man said it perfectly, its time for us to say goodbye on what is left below with the titanic. We already know it as it’s part of our history maybe we can all let them rest below and just remember them instead of risking more lives. Sometimes we just need to stop and know that there’s an end for everything.
that is indeed what he said
That actually hit really hard with me.
We’ve already dived down there a number of times before, we’ve done the research on what happened that night, we have countless pictures, movies, documentaries and other media, we brought up a few items here and there, we even brought up one of the rusted whistles from the ship, restored it, and blew that whistle again for the first time in 100 years.
We pretty much have everything we’re ever gonna get out of that ship. It’s time to leave it alone.
@@michaelporter7629 But I wanna see doodoo covered wreckage in person…
We need to remember that it's a grave site for 1500 people, and not a theme park.
Probably the best summary of this tragic event I’ve seen.
@buckwheat nutride much?
@@buckwheat3869 they are only stating facts but we already know his response to the emails so..?
@@buckwheat3869 Mr Rush villified himself through his own words, actions and lack of them.
There are some places you just don't need to go ...this is that example
There's absolutely no reason to go down there as a tourist. None.
That guy saying he was "risk adverse" when there are literal quotes of Stockton saying the rules are dumb... Denial is a Heck of a drug.