Lived up here my whole life, grew up with the tracks in my backyard watching the A&L steel cars pass. now I am a trucker and haul wood chips in to the plants serviced by LSRC. Im going to be building an N-scale layout starting at the current 4 mile rd yard later this year
That’s so cool! If you need some LSRC models custom painted, I highly recommend Justin Sobeck of Cedar Summit Customs. His business page is on FB. -Drayton
I always thought about an HO layout based on this line. Atlas or someone else needs to produce more of those D&M Alco C-425's in HO scale. Good luck I'm sure this line and area of Michigan would make a great layout.
Seeing you're based in Jackson, the remainder of the trip went from Detroit to Chicago, thus through Jackson. Judging from the photo on your webpage. Long before you were a gleam in anyone's eye..... It was a big adventure for the little guy I was then...
Loved every second of it! And the old NYC line..Would like to see the route south of this location ..Grayling to ,Roscommon, St.Helen, West branch and on!!!!...
Excellent video !!! This was one of my dreams come true to finally watch an onboard view of the former Detroit & Mackinac. A video from the good old days with Alco C425 or C420 running from Bay City up to Mackinaw City would have been great to see but this is still good enough. Nice video quality , beautiful weather and fantastic scenery. I rarely see any video of this part of the line. Thank you !
testing the information is a LOT better than listening to your mono-tone voice over. Thanks for inserting that. Nice video. Always wanted to ride on a freight train.
Great video we have a place in South Boardman,if you’re going south before Boardman rd behind the trailer park I always run out like a little kid to watch you guys if at the cabin 👍
Looks like a great line for steam hauled evening dining train specials! (Edit :- Maybe with the addition of a platform and run-round loop BEFORE the metal processing facility!!)
eric zerkle line might stayed in DandM wanted an exorbitant amount of money for it, plus once rail was pulled up, no chance to market Cheyboygan facility to a rail user
the D&M wanted so much money for the alpena to Cheboygan line also. now that like is a snowmobile trail. I wish it would be remade and have a tourist train through there
Loved the front view. Hated the cab view. Actually. both are pretty awesome; its just the jumping back-and-forth that irritates me. Rode the hiways around there and like seeing it from rail view! Keep them coming, just please stick with one camera angle.
@@cedarvalleyrail8419 I love that click clack click clack. I started railroading in1974 and there wasn't much ribbon rail around back then. I remember back in the late 70s I watched the Northeast corridor taking out the jointed 152lb Pennsylvania standard and installing 140lb ribbon rail. One machine did the while job plus it put in concrete ties at the same time. The click clack was a good indicator of your speed.
Nice video. That area of the Norther Lower is great. My family has a hunting/fishing camp near Grayling. I wonder what's going on with the colors on the front camera, it looks like an old sepia picture
If you do any more of these types of videos, please stick to the camera on the front of the loco. The side cab view, although an interesting contrast, obscures half of the screen with the body of the loco. I understand that this is the sctual view that the engineer would get when running "Long Hood Forward", nut to see the view from the front of the loco is much better asthetically. Otherwise, Excellent Video.
Great video, always like the stuff you do! Only thing I'd say that needs improvement is that the frequent hard cuts between cameras gets a tad disorienting. But that's a very minor gripe. Keep up the awesome work!
After Watching the ND&W video/s I'm amazed about how well maintained this line is. I'm guessing it is in part to beeing almost a mainline due to the ex-trainferry stop up north. What is it they load in Gaylord? Looked like Rockwool.
The buildings behind the cars when they couple up are a shredder plant, where scrap steel (including cars) is shredded and purified. That's the final product.
I have noticed in a couple of your videos a gray truck with a cover following the trains. I noticed it in this video and the one in Coldwater, Mississippi. Is that one of the video crew following the trains?
@Southern Biscuits I'm assuming so. When they were stopped after backing up to the boxcars, in addition to that truck being parked on the side of the road, you could see a white drone flying alongside the train.
I don't do it a lot, but running log hood forward as the leader is horribly, especially through curves. Luckily, my yard has a WYE to spin the locomotives.
Please excuse my ignorance but how did the operator know when to blast the horn for the road crossing up ahead at 39:50? For example, I know that in Sweden the railways have signs to let the driver know to blast the horn for crossings.
What’s the deal with the A&L spur? It looks completely new (with shiny white ballast), then you get to the scrap yard and it returns to old service line. Was A&L serviced from a different line or another direction before this spur was built? Lake State Railway wouldn’t have needed the state’s help to simply rehab an old spur.
Amazing how an diesel-electric engine doesn't have to run at a high RPM just to keep the voltage up on those electric motors near wheels. A lot of this trip, the engine is idling.
Scrap metals. I don't know this for sure, but, since the cars were picked up at a scrap metal processing plant, I think so. In Gaylord, pressure-treated wood products
Good video - but I would match the color from the back footage with the front - it's nice and colorful along there. and maybe cut about half the time. Picky aren't we?
Doesn't the train driver go crazy having to use the horn basically all day? This is not commonplace in Europe. The noise load must be enormous in those jobs.
In this case because the load was low to see towards the rear, the 1st time I liked a rear view 100%. For me the switch between the front and rear view worked well. The switch to the sideview i did not like. The video flowed very smoothly also. Thanks for a great video with a difference. Which camera did you use for front view, if a GoPro was it set for normal or wide angle view-?
1:09:49 - Curves away from abandoned trackage. I think this may have gone to a Georgia-Pacific particle board plant demolished 2013 - see watch?v=OcQwYOBC2f4 Yes, odd curves. Almost as if they surveyed & laid it poorly. Or as if they originally were going to put a siding/passing track in but did not. Text overlaid at 1:11:19 says this part (past the removed G-P line) was laid in 2006. On the satellite view, it appears there may have been a small rail yard there long long ago.
If the feds would stop taxing the trains so hard maybe they could afford to keep the northern lines open. I love to ride on the trains and watch the trains.
Well, IIRC the state of Michigan owns the right of way so no property taxes. As for the Feds, they give AND gave millions in grants to this railway and many others. That money comes from somewhere.
Lived up here my whole life, grew up with the tracks in my backyard watching the A&L steel cars pass. now I am a trucker and haul wood chips in to the plants serviced by LSRC. Im going to be building an N-scale layout starting at the current 4 mile rd yard later this year
That’s so cool! If you need some LSRC models custom painted, I highly recommend Justin Sobeck of Cedar Summit Customs. His business page is on FB. -Drayton
I always thought about an HO layout based on this line. Atlas or someone else needs to produce more of those D&M Alco C-425's in HO scale. Good luck I'm sure this line and area of Michigan would make a great layout.
Mesmerizing. Tranquil, almost narcotic. LOVE IT for the relaxation
You should do this one again in the winter! Might be even more beautiful covered in snow.
Thanks for the trip down memory rails. Grew up near Roscommon and road those rails on the "B" liner, Grayling to Detroit.
Hotel Carolina No way! That’s so cool. Thanks for the comment. Love hearing stories like these.
Seeing you're based in Jackson, the remainder of the trip went from Detroit to Chicago, thus through Jackson. Judging from the photo on your webpage. Long before you were a gleam in anyone's eye..... It was a big adventure for the little guy I was then...
Hotel Carolina Wish I had a time machine!
I visited Roscommon before in 1991. It was a nice town. We went to the restaurant with the crooked wall.
Loved every second of it! And the old NYC line..Would like to see the route south of this location ..Grayling to ,Roscommon, St.Helen, West branch and on!!!!...
I don't know what some are complaining about, great video!! Can't get enough of that EMD sound! Thanks for posting!
Awesome video :) Did anyone else notice how closely the ties are spaced together under the rails? That's crazy!
Awesome video on this rarely covered line!
Really enjoyed the trip. Amazing what shortlines can do the mainsline don't want to bother with.
Man... I absolutely love the sound of the turbo diesels in loco's. Don't know what it is but it's just awesome.
what a wonderfull vídeo! this will yield another map in the game trainz! I love it!
Another wonderful account of a small railroad in action. Awesome!
A great ride.
great catch thanks for shareing.
Excellent video !!! This was one of my dreams come true to finally watch an onboard view of the former Detroit &
Mackinac. A video from the good old days with Alco C425 or C420 running from Bay City up to Mackinaw City would have been great to see but this is still good enough. Nice video quality , beautiful weather and fantastic scenery. I rarely see any video of this part of the line. Thank you !
Very nice video, a rear view camera must be cool, all the way down the end of the train 😂
Absolutely awesome felt like l was there. Would have liked to known how fast we were going. Thanks for the ride.
Looked like 30 to 35 to me until they hit the yard limits. I was a loco engr. for 32 years. Plenty of times I had to run with a broken speed recorder.
awesome video. very cool.
Super video
I would say do a tawas to alpena run, but the speed limit on that line is about 15 due to track conditions. beautiful country tho
As a fan of the MCRR this was nice :-)
testing the information is a LOT better than listening to your mono-tone voice over. Thanks for inserting that. Nice video. Always wanted to ride on a freight train.
Part of the industrial spur in Gaylord is built on the old ROW of another long gone railroad that was abandoned in the 1930s.
Ah! That explains the satellite view showing what looks like old roadbed.
The Saginaw Bay and NW?
Great video we have a place in South Boardman,if you’re going south before Boardman rd behind the trailer park
I always run out like a little kid to watch you guys if at the cabin 👍
cool video and ride
Looks like a great line for steam hauled evening dining train specials! (Edit :- Maybe with the addition of a platform and run-round loop BEFORE the metal processing facility!!)
Nice video.
Amazing ballast
Crosstown racing breezin with EMD power"!
wow thanks DIB, this was awesome straight track footage :-)is the line signaled and any curve's? oh no see them
Too bad they lost the line to Cheboygan. At ones time D&M ran several boxcar loads a day out of the P&G plant up there.
eric zerkle line might stayed in DandM wanted an exorbitant amount of money for it, plus once rail was pulled up, no chance to market Cheyboygan facility to a rail user
the D&M wanted so much money for the alpena to Cheboygan line also. now that like is a snowmobile trail. I wish it would be remade and have a tourist train through there
Loved the front view. Hated the cab view. Actually. both are pretty awesome; its just the jumping back-and-forth that irritates me. Rode the hiways around there and like seeing it from rail view! Keep them coming, just please stick with one camera angle.
That door on the firemans side with the open top hinge is bugging me lol!
I hope the crew has hearing protection,. Thats annoying the clatter clatter.
Thanks for ruining my day
@@cedarvalleyrail8419 I love that click clack click clack. I started railroading in1974 and there wasn't much ribbon rail around back then. I remember back in the late 70s I watched the Northeast corridor taking out the jointed 152lb Pennsylvania standard and installing 140lb ribbon rail. One machine did the while job plus it put in concrete ties at the same time. The click clack was a good indicator of your speed.
Nice video. That area of the Norther Lower is great. My family has a hunting/fishing camp near Grayling. I wonder what's going on with the colors on the front camera, it looks like an old sepia picture
I'm also seeing a lot of pixelation in the front camera shot.
If you do any more of these types of videos, please stick to the camera on the front of the loco. The side cab view, although an interesting contrast, obscures half of the screen with the body of the loco. I understand that this is the sctual view that the engineer would get when running "Long Hood Forward", nut to see the view from the front of the loco is much better asthetically. Otherwise, Excellent Video.
You can tell the foliage has changed to a more southerly variety.
Once its going at 95-100 mphI hear a Don Brewer solo drumming.
You can tell from the foliage this Northern Michigan.
Great videos as always!!!What was in the gondolas???
Shredded scrap steel.
I had no idea that New York Central ran into Michigan..... I'll be dipped
Wasn't that the Pierre Marquette?
@@mrhot6shot I was referencing NYC in the opening verbiage
Looks like Camp Grayling is expecting a bit of rail traffic. They are adding to the balloon loop. Those spurs are not showing up on Google Maps.
A lot of straightaway. AT I would say at least 50 or better The ballast is pretty good.Emd. whispering along Thank you for another fine. production
@@paullindberg9230 Dark territory is 49 MPH frt. 59 pass.
Great video, always like the stuff you do!
Only thing I'd say that needs improvement is that the frequent hard cuts between cameras gets a tad disorienting. But that's a very minor gripe.
Keep up the awesome work!
Agreed just stick with the nose camera. Great video though.
After Watching the ND&W video/s I'm amazed about how well maintained this line is. I'm guessing it is in part to beeing almost a mainline due to the ex-trainferry stop up north. What is it they load in Gaylord? Looked like Rockwool.
The buildings behind the cars when they couple up are a shredder plant, where scrap steel (including cars) is shredded and purified. That's the final product.
OK, when did they relay the track north of Frederic? MY 1979 Railroad Atlas a large gap between Frederic and Gaylord?
Super😍❤☺
Relaxing... unless you’re the surprised motorist at the crossing.
It may not be track fir for a streamliner, but it is way better than the way it was treated by the PC!
What is the business in Frederic that gets all the boxcars?
How did the fireman get back?
I have noticed in a couple of your videos a gray truck with a cover following the trains. I noticed it in this video and the one in Coldwater, Mississippi. Is that one of the video crew following the trains?
@Southern Biscuits I'm assuming so. When they were stopped after backing up to the boxcars, in addition to that truck being parked on the side of the road, you could see a white drone flying alongside the train.
Was this filmed before the forest fire about 10 or so years ago?
What was the load you picked up?
Was that a double track up to Gaylord at one time? Looks like the bed was wide enough...
Noticing the cameras see color differently. Nose cam everything looks kinda dead, side cam a lot of stuff is bright green.
What is the max track speed on this spur ?
I don't do it a lot, but running log hood forward as the leader is horribly, especially through curves. Luckily, my yard has a WYE to spin the locomotives.
how many cars?
Do they ever run through the downtown area?
Who's flying the drone?
Please excuse my ignorance but how did the operator know when to blast the horn for the road crossing up ahead at 39:50? For example, I know that in Sweden the railways have signs to let the driver know to blast the horn for crossings.
Most likely, he’s been over this territory enough to remember.
Awesome video with one exception, the handrail camera set way back on the locomotive didn't allow to see very much. THAT was a HUGE letdown.
Just watch and enjoy. Stop complaining
Opening reminds me of p.b.s.
i agree with you with you 110 %
Good video - what type of locomotive was this? Thanks.
Dana Mack I think it is an ALCO locomotive
Dana Mack it’s EMD... maybe a GP38-2?
It's LSRC GP40 #800
So early it's only 360p! Also, FIRST
What’s the deal with the A&L spur? It looks completely new (with shiny white ballast), then you get to the scrap yard and it returns to old service line. Was A&L serviced from a different line or another direction before this spur was built? Lake State Railway wouldn’t have needed the state’s help to simply rehab an old spur.
It was built about five years ago if I remember correctly by LSRC. -Drayton
At 2:40 it looks like a sraight shot for a long way with no crossings.
A little naration would make the video a lot more interesting.
Amazing how an diesel-electric engine doesn't have to run at a high RPM just to keep the voltage up on those electric motors near wheels. A lot of this trip, the engine is idling.
He's running light. Doesn't take much to keep it moving when you have 3000 HP, running on flat track.
Is he pulling any cars to Gaylord?
That's funny the engine went up long hood coupled the cars and returned long hood how did they turn the engine
It came back short hood forward. 🤦🏻♂️
What's in the gondolas ?
Scrap metals. I don't know this for sure, but, since the cars were picked up at a scrap metal processing plant, I think so. In Gaylord, pressure-treated wood products
Good video - but I would match the color from the back footage with the front - it's nice and colorful along there.
and maybe cut about half the time. Picky aren't we?
Was it intended to mount the side camera (with audio enabled) next to that noisy clattering of that access panel? Could've done without that.
Doesn't the train driver go crazy having to use the horn basically all day? This is not commonplace in Europe. The noise load must be enormous in those jobs.
In this case because the load was low to see towards the rear, the 1st time I liked a rear view 100%. For me the switch between the front and rear view worked well. The switch to the sideview i did not like. The video flowed very smoothly also. Thanks for a great video with a difference.
Which camera did you use for front view, if a GoPro was it set for normal or wide angle view-?
I mean, no offense, but the term, Gaylord cracks me up.
No crossing gates on any of the crossings !
Anyone know what’s in the gondola’s ?
@michael I was thinking steel wool, but that doesn't seem right.
@@crazyfvck Close. Looks like turnings from a machine shop, or perhaps fine particles from a scrap shredder plant.
Really a nice video.
Except for the engine sideviews.
That makes this video one class under otherwise exceptional fine videos from your channel.
You ever just go on the Gaylord turn ?
DRONE WAS EVIDENT AT CAR JOCKEYING BUT NO FOOTAGE.. MUSTA BEEN SOMEONE ELSE'S?
1:10:20 was that part of a wye at one point? Odd curve for no reason.
1:09:49 - Curves away from abandoned trackage. I think this may have gone to a Georgia-Pacific particle board plant demolished 2013 - see watch?v=OcQwYOBC2f4
Yes, odd curves. Almost as if they surveyed & laid it poorly. Or as if they originally were going to put a siding/passing track in but did not. Text overlaid at 1:11:19 says this part (past the removed G-P line) was laid in 2006. On the satellite view, it appears there may have been a small rail yard there long long ago.
If the feds would stop taxing the trains so hard maybe they could afford to keep the northern lines open. I love to ride on the trains and watch the trains.
Well, IIRC the state of Michigan owns the right of way so no property taxes. As for the Feds, they give AND gave millions in grants to this railway and many others. That money comes from somewhere.
great ride if you would stay out front view
I often used to do the drugs. This isn't that. But I'm thinking OF it.
I dont want to see behind only straight
1:23:15
When you start asking for money that’s when people stop watching!!!
Ah yes the Gaylord
That would be sheboygan
if ur thinking wisconsin yes. but in michigan we have a town called Cheboygan as is the county as well. do some fact checkimg first
You ruin the video with the text on screen and the side view is not good. Only front view.
Stop jumping to back of locomotive !!!!!!
Well if you were the conductor thats the view you'd have!
And get a decent damn microphone that doesn't sound like it's in a 5 gallon bucket!
LOL
the constant flipping is annoying
@@kleetus92 You, "mass," and "Jud" are filthy pieces of shit.
Turbocharged EMD > Non-Turbocharged EMD
heh Gaylord.
the logo view is terrible.
Unwatchable. Edit out all of the jumps to end mounted camera and re-post. Maybe I'll watch then.
Jim guess its just you who's missing out then.
Please stop jumping. Reallly