Discomfort Zone: TF2 [Live Commentary] Cow Mangler & Concheror
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
- THESE WEAPONS HAVE BEEN BUFFED SINCE THIS VIDEO WAS MADE. 2012 HOLY SHIT
Discomfort Zone isn't particularly about "bad" items. It is about items that I personally don't like. This loadout is the spawn of the devil. I am not used to having the devil equipped, but I try my best.
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Binge watching stars old vids to remember a simpler time
+magicman47: shit.
Crescendo I do that every day
Incurablederp same
same
Back when it was Niichts
"The concheror is terrible"
How the times have changeed
Yellow same with the Cow Mangler
He’ll never use it again
Roamer soldier
Johnny Gargano same with the equalizer
@@3dmasterworks The old Equalizer was never bad, it was basically a direct upgrade over stock. That’s the reason they split it into 2 weapons and nerfed both of them.
After watching a lot of new TF2 youtubers and coming back to this, you just can't beat the classics.
Something about modern TF2bers reeks of "trying too hard". They don't feel as genuine as these classic videos
I couldn't agree more
I love how in most of STAR's old videos you'll see people going on in the chat about him not being the real STAR.
And nowadays, the concheror is fucking insane, especially if you use it with the black box, you're invincible. I fucking hate it.
Yep
but the dps is shit, sacrificing a shotgun and an extra rocket is not worth it. This could work if you're a beginner soldier and it may keep you alive, but in may not promise victory.
It's still so fucked and annoying because the soldier can take aggro whilst the team caps, pushes blu back, etc.
if a single soldier can distract/annoy a whole team while the rest can cap etc. What is wrong is not the soldier or the loadout, but the opposing team. Even single 2/3 charged headshot is enough.
Teanu Tamayo You got a point. I've seen it happen before, though.
I couldn't stop laughing at 10:25 when all the demo 'nades flew in accompanied by Star's scream.
I love seeing timestamps in comments before timestamps were a thing on CZcams lmao
@@KoboldCloaca lol
ALL HAIL THE MAGIC CONCH(EROR)
Not for Kiddies Spongebobu
Not for Kiddies I AM CONCHERROR.
Mr. Saturn MR SATURN!!!!! :D
Exponential Decay m2
The fact that it takes longer to reload the CM almost nullifies the advantage of having an extra shot per clip.
they changed it. it's now basically a regular rocket launcher, with a charge shot, no ammo, and cant hurt buildings.
you should redo thids video, its a very strong loadout now
Cow mangler still sucks. Conch is great. Disciplinary Action, no change. :)
Sham Woot cow magler is still good if you turn viewmodel off, and no sentries are involved
k shaw we were taalking about his loadout, with the concheror as 2nd
How times change.
17:02 I think that has got to be my favorite TF2 frag ever. Charging demo, arrow in him, lit on fire, and disintegrating, all at the same time. What an awesome game.
i feel so nostalgic watching these old vids. i watched this as a kid now i’m a whole adult now. woah.
After so many patches, this is very strong loadout so far.
Especially with the Kritzkrieg pocket medic.
You can't crit with the cow mangler, so the kritzkrieg makes 0 sense.
i judge people based on their hat/cosmetic combos
Gibbus, Pyrovision and Mercenary = Pro loadout.
gum ball Medi-Mask, Team Captain, and Pyrovision, lookin like some Death Korps muthatrucka
Whiskers, Esquire Macho Mann, Ghastly Gibus.
4 every load out
You must be killed quite often to get a good look on that.
Jacob R I feel you man
Remember when the cow mangled use to be broken and had unlimited ammo and 5 shots, with the only downside that you might as well shoot spitballs at sentrys
It still has unlimited ammo
A good rule of thumb:
Never rocket jump unless
Health's over fifty.
+Jane Huskmann unless you have gb's
Kai - McMasters
Of course, that's the main exception.
+Jane Huskmann HIAKU
fity
unless you have gibus :d
When this video was uploaded was right about when I joined TF2, I joined right after Pyrovision and before MVM
I'll admit, my two favorite rocket launchers are the Direct Hit and the Cow Mangler 5000.
same
its gotta be stock
My favourite is the rocket jumper, although it now looks like garbage, because I love market gardening. I just love it so much. I have an epic strange MG.
The cocheror is really good when rocket jumping as you get +2 health a second
This is before that update
ahh that makes sense thank you
I'm really happy the Conch is actually good now. it is helpful that you can get residual healing AND have a rage effect that is decent. I will use this more now. Don't even get me started with the Black Box and Concheror combo.
and the speed boost can make your rocket jump go farther
Aidan Starrs Oh yeah! I noticed that. I use Black Box, Concheror, and Disciplinary Action as my main. Ugh its so good. That 15 health you get from a hit AND 2 hp per second, now we have ourselves one damn tank of a solly.
Who knew watching these videos today would bring back so many memories
27:11 i hate when pyros run in a slightly skewed line.
*Does huge rocket jump without gunboats and takes fall damage to escape mini-sentry*
"All that health gone, just because he put a minisentry down."
This loadout actually is a pretty good MvM loadout. I feel that whenever I go soldier in MvM I always run out of ammo. With the Cow Mangler you don't run out of ammo, and the charged shot is great for taking out a group of weaker robots. The Concheror is keeping you and others alive with the health regen and speed boost. The disciplinary action is great for helping you and your team mates get back in the battlefield and slay some robots.
Buff banner is kinda better tho..
I agree with you, this would be a *sick* MvM loadout.
The conch was buffed recently. When STAR_ made this video it really did suck a lot. It gave no passive health regen and the buff didn't give you fast speed.
EDIT: they also decreased the amount of damage you have to deal to get a charge for the conch from 600 to 480.
True. Good load out for MvM.
PINGPONGROCKSBRAH True, true, there have been lots of changes to these weapons
I wasnt sure how to feel when i watched your video for the first time, but now i love them, keep them coming.
The cow mangler is awesome in MVM. Upgrading the reload speed makes it crazy fast, and never running out of ammo is invaluable.
cow mangler is one of my favorite bazookas in the game, after that 2014 update!
but I know how to update it more to be better!
new stats:
+ 5 Rockets
+ Supershots deals fire damage
- 20% damage to buildings
*you can do supershots when you want
+ each rocket you have in the clip adds 10% more damage to the supershot
example, if I do a supershot with all 5 rockets in my clip, I do 50% more damage than normal while if I do it with just 3, I do 30% more damage!
could make it to even a better weapon!
Sentries say "fuck you" to that.
DarklordAbraxas It disables buildings for four seconds, so that could open a window for a sentry to be destroyed.
Jimmy Bettis Rockets destroy Sentries reliably enough. Which opens a window to wreck some more asses for you team.
lmao thats fucking op
***** it do have a major downside, it only deals 20% damage to sentries no matter how big clipsize you have. you can only shut them down a short time like the original cowmangler
I really miss the old projectiles
i added you on steam lol xD
I love these discomfort zone videos.
It'd be cool to see one as Spy with Diamondback, Big Earner, and Cloak and Dagger.
This is the exact loadout i used in the summer update with a quickfix pocket medic. Of course thats when every one of those was buffed but it was fun jumping behind the enemy and using the concherer to escape when they got tired of our spawncamping
Ok, here's my attempt at making the cow mangler good, but not overpowered:
+ 1 clip size
- 10% reload speed
- 10% damage vs players (base damage 81)
- 70% damage vs buildings (base damage 27)
! Charged shot (uses all rockets in clip)
- Takes a second to charge
+ 15% damage per rocket in clip when charged (base damage 95 - 151)
+ Sets enemies on fire when fired from a full clip (+60 damage over 10 seconds)
+ Deactivates buildings for 4 seconds when fired from a full clip
Maybe it's still overpowered, but it's a start. (Maybe further decrease the reload speed?)
The idea is that the charged shot is the Mangler's purpose. It's slow to fire/ reload, but quite powerful (kills up to medic's instantly, and up to soldiers via afterburn). It's pretty bad, but not useless, at taking out buildings, and without the using the charged shot, it's not that great even at taking out players (due to the slow reloads).
Thinking about it, the above might still be overpowered (it would be annoying to be clustered around the cart or a point, and then have everyone get instantly decimated in one shot). So changing the above:
Charged shot deals +10% damage per rocket in clip when fired (base damage now 89-121, not enough to instantly kill any class, but the fire deals with that.)
Fire from full clip charged shot deals +60 damage over 15 seconds (2 damage tick). This gives players hit by the charge shot some time to save themselves (about 1 second if you're a scout, 6 seconds if you're a medic). It might be alright to go back to the 60 in 10, though (scouts dead basically instantly, medics have 4 seconds to get away).
To compensate for this, maybe decrease the penalty vs buildings to -55% (36 base damage. One full clip is just enough to kill a level 1 sentry). Still awful at taking out sentries, but not completely useless, even without the charge shot.
PsychadelicoDuck 60 damage over 15 seconds would be a 4 damage tick (which can still just about insta-kill classes with 125 hp). 60 damage over 30 seconds would be a 2 damage tick.
Derek Johnson It's 2 ticks a second, isn't it? Although, yeah, 1 second is not a lot of time to save yourself from fire.
Soldier with the WHAT
I love the old Cow Mangler shots. It may have been a bad weapon, but it looked cool
2012 holy shit indeed Stur_ i enjoy watching videos from when Dead Ringer was unbeatable.
I always use the disciplinary action in my soldier loadout I think its really good
Concheror got bffed nicely hehe. Hello from the future :D
Heh i like to play with the blackbox while using it. makes me extremely tanky
I always use the conch, especialy with the bb,
But i use the buff banner sometimes,
But the speedboost from the conch is so usefull
Airstrike+Buff banner+a few kills=team demiation xD
+Mr Weedhead yes it is. get 8 bullets on that thing, get an overheal, horn it, jump onto cart, let the minicrits fly
Bullets in a rocket launcher. Because that makes sense.
I use this closeout all the time when I'm trying to camp. I needed something to heal,something to hit, and something to use to be able to get to the camping spot quickly, without rocket jumping.
I love the Disciplinary Action... Especially for fighting people in melee.
I mean sure it deals 25% less damage, but it has a secret buff of +70% range to help you hit teammates, which also works for hitting enemies, making it have _even _*_more range_*_ than the Eyelander_.
And it takes down Demoknights pretty well because unlike them you're still allowed to random crit, and as everyone who's played TF2 knows half of all melee battles are a race to see who can land the first random crit, and when you have +70% range you'll almost never miss that random crit when it happens.
And even if you don't get a random crit you still outrange them slightly, so you're still on a pretty even playing field with Demoknights even on no-crit servers...
If you can avoid eating their charge, a Disciplinary Action Soldier with Concheror / Battalion's Backup is better at melee than a full Demoknight.
The first time I equipped the Disciplinary Action on DeGroot Keep I legitimately had people calling me a hacker saying that I had crits turned on. I was random-critting just as often as them, the only difference was that I wasn't missing my swings, which made it seem like every second swing was a crit.
The ironic thing about the Disciplinary Actions is that although it is godlike at hitting enemies it is awful at hitting allies, since the game has no lag compensation for friendly fire, which means you have to hit the location the ally is _going to be_ in a moment, or potentially be unable to hit them at all if they have bad ping, so unless the teammate is standing perfectly still you literally have to be clipping through the teammate in order to hit them and get the buff.
It really needs like +200% range to hit teammates properly without having to change how the game engine calculates friendly fire, but at that point it would be so overpowered as a melee weapon that you'd have to remove the ability to hit enemies with it altogether, which I don't want because it's fun to fight people with.
Star, it's too bad you made this video in 2012, when the concheror was terrible. Now it has 25% higher rage build rate, speed boost when activated and passively heals +2 health per second. Thus making it significantly better than the buff banner and the battalion's backup.
It's better when you play solo, but the buff banner is better when you want to help your team the most. Battalion's backup is better in niche but vital situations, though.
2014 Cow mangler and the concerer Are SUPER good
No.
yes
k
concheror yes but cow mangler...no...just if you wanna take out a sentry
+Alex Prexo yeah mini senteries are like'' Ohh hey, **** you! .I.'' if youre using the cow mangler.
Would love to see some more Discomfy zones with goofy loadouts post- patch!
It's funny that Cow Mangler, Conch, and Disciplinary Action is my go to loadout (until there's even a single engineer on the enemy team), but in 2012 the primary and secondary were *terrible.* The Conch didn't even have the health regen, which is literally the only reason I use it!
You know, it'd be kinda cool if Star_ went back and redid this loadout, now that the Mangler and Concheror are bufffed, show how more useful it is now.
You will never be a real woman
"some of you sick punks actually like to see me die, don't you?"
*nod nod*
Back in the day when what was bad with the world was Star_ not using the equalizer
Yea, I've tried the Cow Mangler with the Concheror, it's pretty bad, you have to do so many hits with the damn thing to charge it (it seems to take about 4 charges), I usually use the Concheror with the Direct Hit, because with that it only takes a few rockets to fill the rage meter.
That's the Buff Banner that builds rage, not concheror…
EnglishAsianBoy They both have rage meters actually, I should know, i have both of them.
corey kim They also work pretty well with the standard Rocket Launcher and other rocket launchers that do the same damage like the Black Box, but yea if you're good at getting direct hits, or nearly direct hits (after all the explosion still has some blast radius, just not much) than the Direct Hit with the Buff Banner or Concheror is perfect.
How do you rocket jump so far like on 2fort you make nearly all way across map in one and I barely get in water
Crouch while jumping.
thanks
At the time of this video the cow mangler was in fact better than the standard rocket in a competitive 6v6 settings. Because it had 5 shots before you needed to reload. Making bombing as soldier extremely effective
With the changes to conch, w/ black box it's amazing. I also run the Samaria sword as well, who needs medics: P
HE HAS THE WHAT!?
Rest in peace, Rick May.
Would you hate me if I said I actually use this load out a lot. Cow mangler and concheror are actually good now, especially with that passive heal from the concheror. Good stuff man.
I llike ALOT of the concheror, but its not because of the healing I give to teammates when I blow the horn, its because of the passive healing it gives to me that makes me a medic in terms of regerating health. It is great to rocket jumping
i really hate sticky-only demomen
Cow mangler is good during MVM
It can't be crit-boosted
BEGGAR'S BAZOOKA OR RIOT.
Jordan Newton It's either Beggar's, Stock or Cow Mangler.
Stock = 4/5 (Needs reloading)
Beggar's = 4.5/5 (Bottomless clip by tapping MOUSE1, but the rockets go willy-nilly)
Air Strike = 2/5 (You need to get in the air for it to work. Needs reloading)
Direct Hit = 3/5 (Reduced splash damage)
Mangler = 4/5 (Fire, minicrits, can't be critboosted, needs reloading)
Black Box = 4/5 (Health on Hit, less clip can be sorted out via upgrade station. Needs reloading.)
Liberty Launcher 1/5 (That damage reduction makes me wanna puke.)
Rocket Jumper 9001/5 (best rocket launcher ever.)
Checks this post one month later.
Wut
Aaron Zhang Checks this post three months later.
Yus
still watching your videos in 2020. made me play tf2.
@Daniel And it charges much faster and also gives speed boost. It's so much better now.
The New Cow Mangler, as of 12/12/13, is more of an anti-personnel Launcher. You know, area denial, spam, cart blocking, that sort of thing. It can also be used WITH TEAMMATES to take out nests easily. I use it moderately often.
I love playing with the Concheror and Escape Plan.
Nostalgia Trip
i like the conch. in arena (were theres rarely health to pick up and onely one life)passive regen is great!
Black box concheror disciplinary action. Don't worry about health you'll be regaining enough as long as you're putting shots down with rockets. Disciplinary action to escape and get into the fray sooner, as well as right before rocket jumps, you can fly in very fast
wen i watched this concheror i kinda like because it has the health buff thing but also a speed boost. basically imagine the concheror mixed with the disciplinary action
We miss you
Concheror and dissciplinary action is pretty good combo I love using this set with black box 😁
The load out he uses here is now one of the strongest loadouts in the game
awesome team captain dude
I keep on forgetting the Concheror took 3298429 years to start up.
The Righteous Bison and the Cow Mangler 5000: Perhaps the coolest (And the most underatted) Soldier weapons to be put into the game.
I love and enjoy that Sci-Fi goodness.
His description for how it felt when he found out he could hold the Buff Banner is pretty close to how I reacted as well when I found out.
i think the cow mangler is like engie's bloody energy rifle, whatever it was called at the time and may end up taking out spy's cloaking device as well as uber, could do with a bit of a cleaning though X3
You can use this loadout in arena cause 1, you dont have to worry about ammo 2, the concher can grant you 2 health when needed and three its useful when you in tight situations like a outnumbered match
the concherer used to be horrible, but after the buff it's pretty good.
This is my favorite Soldier loadout on defense (especially since its post balancing). If I can get above the enemy, like the first point in Gorge, I have a self-sustaining loadout. I never run out of ammo, and I'm always recovering health.
The only reason I like the concheror is because i never use my shotgun/ buff banner; and the regen it gives allows to get some use out of something I almost never use
this is actually a pretty sweet loadout these days
spam the charge shot at chokepoints and your conch is ready to go
It's funny, because now this is an actually really good loadout, with the new CW Buff, and all that.
Right after 16:10 as he runs up the stairs his disciplinary action turns into the escape plan for a split second :D
The best tf2 player star
31:06 this is my entire TF2 experience, except it doesn't stop and it happens within my first 5 minutes of playing.
FYI the cow mangler soldier can do a full charge hit and disable a sentry/dispencer/teleporter (its useful on ctf servers when you want to disable and just get the intel without a sentry shootin' at you
A direct charged shot on an engie nest will deal massive damages to the engineers and leave it defenseless.
verflixt, your icon frightened ze crap out of me
thx for the buff banner tip, didn't know
its funny that the concheror was buffed so it is actually really good six days after this video.
This is a great loadout now, although the Disciplinary Action has never gotten neither nerfed nor buffed; it’s always been good, especially in competitive games.
Now this loadout is actually worth something!
I am gone try that load out next time!
I love the cow mangler, the bison, the pomson, the manmelter and just every "laser" sci-fi weapon in this game. D:
Engie:(To Spy)You nearly adapted the mini sentries.....
I WAS BORN WITH IT!!!
the cow manglers charge shot sets ppl on fire
The bane of STARS existence? No, the bane of existences existance.
Everyday bro, this loadout everyday
The Concherer is pretty good now.
I only switch it out when some engie starts using the buffed Short Circuit
I like to use the concheror or whatever its called. When theres no medics or medikits around its useful
That awkward moment when STAR_'s "discomfort zone" Soldier loadout is my current Soldier loadout...
Little does he know that is a solid loadout now
This combo is great now.
Thank you for making this video, for the sake of Narnia!
Like when you hear Cow mangler is now used seriously in a competitive (6's) scene
Star, a nice thing about the Disciplinary Action is that it has the longest melee range of any weapon in the game.
I favor the Direct Hit combined with the Reserve Shooter and the Disciplinary Action. In combat, I constantly switch back and forth between the Direct Hit and the Reserve Shooter to boost how much damage I can do before I need to reload. I frequently use the Disciplinary Action to give various classes - especially Heavies, Medics, Pyros, Engineers and Ubered, overhealed or buffing teammates - the extra speed they need to get things done or to avoid harm.
half hour?
YES!
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