Great review, Tarun. I know they are a pain to organise but comparative reviews are really worthwhile. It’s the closest we get to a good old fashioned demo at a bricks and mortar specialist dealer.😊
The more dacs you review the more i cant wait for you to discover something you like more than the Ares 12th at under 1000 or the gustard r26 under 2000. You have set the bar high for these two levels and it will be significant for your listeners when they are both bested in their price categories. Keep it up!
A while ago, I upgraded my Audiolab M-DAC to the Denafrips Venus 12th edition. Initially, the difference was subtle. With time and many attentive listening hours, I’ve learned to appreciate the virtues of the Venus. Alvin at Vinshine who knows my system well, he did sell all of it to me barring the speakers and CD transport, did recommend the Terminator, but I wasn’t ready to invest £6000 in a DAC. I think it’s important to take on board that an upgraded DAC will not make the significant difference that maybe a speaker upgrade can make.
Hello Tarun Just a swift update. I have had the SMSL VMV D2R in my system for around 4 months now . I have to say its a really good chip based Dac. Much better than anything I've had in my headphone system to date. The sound is open,detailed and clean,without much digital glare you get with most Chip based Dacs. The details portrayed seem slightly more focused than the Gustard R26 which is however more spacious in the soundstage image portrayed. The R26 has more depth but doesn't sound as focused. I must say I like both for the slightly different presentations . I use Both Dacs via an Ifi Neo streamer. The SMSL VMV via a I2S connection ( Pin configurations match) The Gustard is connected also via I2S but USB out from the IFI steamer into a Singxer SU6 DDU which provides the I2S signal. I have found the Gustard a bit bright via direct USB connection. To be frank both Dacs sound really good connected via I2S and using a streamed signal so it really depends on personal taste.
Great comparative review indeed. I can recall the first time I heard the original Ares II in my system with older Magnepan MG12's. Tears literally came to my eyes listening to acoustic and instrumental music. A year and a half later I upgraded to the Pontus II. Just fabulous without question. So many DACs out there now since my original purchase. I am standing pat for sure.
Hi Tarun, great review and comparison. I had been using my Eversolo DMP-A6 as a streamer/DAC since I bouth it near a year ago, and it's performance was really nice to me. Last week I received my new Denafrips Ares 12th-1 and start to using the DMP-A6 only as a streamer transport and SSD player, connected by USB to the Ares 12th-1. I couldn't be happier with this addition to my system. I found that is a step forward in the sound quality with the Ares 12th-1 as the main DAC and I'm enjoying so much my music with this new sound signature :). Cheers!
@infynyte what is it that made you happier ? if you don't mind sharing . was it a major or only slight improvement in sound and enjoyment ? I also have the Eversolo DMP-A6 , My amp is Arcam Sa 20 , Speakers are Elac Vela Bs403's coupled with a Rel T/7x for sub . I'm seriously considering the Denefrips 12th-1 and iching to pull the trigger. I just haven't convinced myself. Either way glad you are enjoying and to @abritishaudiophile7314 ... I enjoy your reviews tx.
Thank you, Tarun for another great review. I so appreciate that your reviews always include comparison of similarly priced products. And a three-way comparison? All I can say is "Bob's your uncle" or maybe "stone the crows".
GREAT video Tarun! I have a Topping D90 between my Exposure XI/XII/VIII and Primare CD32 and revel in the detail. You're right about the soundstage - from the CD32 outputs it is naturally superior and I'm only occasionally frustrated by the lighter bass of the D90. Since getting my speaker cables off the floor, I have been super impressed with microdetails and transient speed. I was on filter Mode 2 but after your review am now trying Mode 4. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
Wonderful review, as always! Thoroughly enjoyed it this Saturday morning. I honestly don’t know anyone that considers so many important factors as succinctly. I remember once thinking that a Sabre based d/s dac would be harsh, 2d and lacking in body. But now no way…programming and output stages are so good on so many dacs lately! I’m currently in love with the very special octo research dac8 stereo. Hits many of the marks you’d indicated here (albeit probably not as deep as a ladder dac) 🙏🏼
I once owned SMSL D300 with same Rohm chip…it also had a very relaxed top end and energetic songs fell flat…it was a great jazz DAC as it did the other things you mentioned.
Hi. Great video once again. You mentioned that the Denafrips is not a true Non over sampling DAC. I thought that this updated 12th-1 version is true NOS but I guess I thought wrong. Is there a video where you explain this?
Another excellent review! Sounds like the Denafrips is still the closest to my taste, but the surprise is how close the others came. Nonetheless, the music's in the mids.
Thanks for the great review. One small nibble/correction: the Topping is not made 'cheaper' out of folded steel, but out of a solid (milled) block of aluminium. I have the D90 (AKM) edition, it has the exact same case as yours and it is absoluty not folded steel. Maybe check your Topping again? Nothing important, but I thought I'd mention it anyway 😉.
Another fantastic review Tarun. I was wondering if you have contacted Audio-GD to review their R2R based R-7HE MK3? It's the only DAC I know of with a regenerative power supply. I'm dying to hear how it stacks up to Denafrips and others
Very enjoyable comparison. What I would like to know is how the Chord Qutest stacks up against these newer DACs, especially the Denafrips. The Qutest is much older but is the closest Chord in monetary terms. Rob Watts said (at CanJam NYC 2023) that he is “not a fan” of R2R DACs, for reasons that flew over my head. Any comment?
Hi Tarun and thanks for review, I do enjoy your channel. Based on your review and another I found online , I have just ordered the SMSL DAC to add to my headphone system. It will be replacing a SMSL D400 Pro which is good but not great . It will be used as a contrast in sound signature to my Gustard R26 Dac . If you would like I can add some comments against this video when I have had a listen. The SMSL appeals due to its soundstage width and depth which I can appreciate in my headphone system. It also has a I2s input which is directly compatible with my Ifi Neo Stream unit. Keep up the excellent reviews.
How does D2r compares to R26? Had R26 in my system, but it was too edgy on some songs (with acoustic guitar, for example), so I switched to 9000A internal DAC.
Great review as always. I'm looking to upgrade to an Exposure 2510 + separate DAC in the next few months and I'm wondering if a £1000 DAC is overkill at the price point of the amplifier.
Hi Tarun, superb review as always and in particular, I'm interested in ladder DACs, craving the sound of my youth. I've ordered a 'Musician Draco' for my setup and was wondering if you might be having a look at this brand and its models. Keep up the great work 👍👌
Thanks for the great video ! I been looking to upgrade my DAC and I been leaning towards the Denefrips , I was also looking at the Denefrips pre amp and amps for the money they look very high quality but after watching your video on it I am not sure now. I also been thinking about muzishare tube amp but I listen to a lot of metal and electronic music and I don't know if I will be happy with a tube amp. It's so hard when you can't listen to things before you buy them
Great review Tarun, thank you! As I have my wallet in my hand ready to take the leap with the Ares 12-1 at the top of the list, my only hesitation is when compared to Schiit Bifrost 2-64. However, as they are relatively new in the market and not the usual candidates, there are very few reviews about them (more on the Denafrips but less on Schiit and no comparisons at all), so I only wish you have had the opportunity to include that DAC. Nevertheless, I enjoyed this video, thanks again!
Hello Tarun, thank you for comparison, based on my experience with ESS and other DAC chip sets, I had my doubts that it was better than the R to R ladder DAC. You have confirmed my doubts that the R to R ladder DAC’s produced natural tonality and warm and does not produce gleaming metallic sound. I was a bit concerned about the rave reviews given by some channels towards these chip sets, you have put mind at ease. Thank you. Now I can concentrate on upgrading my terminator 2 to 12th anniversary edition.
Great review! I have the original ares II and I really like it, but i miss more definition in the bass region. I'll upgrade to the venus since I like the natural tonality of denafrips. Tarun please review high end streamers like Aurender N150/N200 against Lumin U2 or mini!
Great review as usual pinpointing the pros and cons and styles of different equipment. I wonder if you ever come across with Wattson Emerson streamer/dac like the one I'm using which is their Emerson Analog. It has got top airisness in details, extremely natural midrange, albeit not heavy weight and msot surprisingly, authoritative bass response. One problem is that it makes me very to upgrade since I would need to spend 2 to 3 times more in order to have marked improvement over my current setup. Plus it's still selling at a reasonable price as a combined streamer/dac
@@HungryEatNow What a drag... They are amazing product and keep improving if I upgrade my other equipment in my system! Think about it , Wattson Emerson is sharing the same streaming card that costs over $5000 euros that are being used by CH Precision! and fact is WEA is actually designed by Engineered SA !
There is a huge choice of Chinese designed and manufactured DACs all with outstanding features and performance across a wide price range. I have a couple at home and both have helped me realise that digital is now the go to source.
I'd love a proper R2R DAC with a clear case and LEDs illuminating key components. Like a gaming PC. Something to show off the circuitry while you sit and listen.
Great review, thanks. I am about to purchase either the Denafrips or a higher end chip Dac. Love everthing I hear about the Ares 12-1, but my concern is about it's bass clarity and definition. I listen to a lot of music with acoustic bass and and it's important to me. I have tried some Delta-Sigma dacs and while they do very well in the bass, they have always been to harsh in the treble. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Yes, I see you did cover it near then end. Thanks. I have purchased the ares 12-1, and will let you know how it compares to the SMSL VMV D1se2 that I am currently using. Cheers.@@abritishaudiophile7314
Hello Mr British Audiophile, hope you're doing great. I just purchased, thanks to your recommendation, the Choco sound Emei, and i really love it. Now im looking for a DAC because i don't have any. I think the type of warm sound of the Choco, is what I'm looking for in my audio journey. Having said that, maybe i want a little tiny bit more detail, or a little tiny bit more speed from it. But again, im afraid to lose that warm and musical cosy sound. Can you please aid me? The Ares 12 is what got my attention, but i fear it is going to be too much. Or The Topping is going to balance things out? Sorry for the long message 😊 By the way my speakers are Q Acoustics Concept 300.
Hi Tarun, great video! I have had my Ares12 about 8 or 9 months now. I have to say I’m a little disappointed that they came out with the 12-1 so quickly. I will guess there’s going to be very little difference between the two sonically. I have to say the 12 is really a fantastic DAC, I go balanced into a McIntosh c50 Pre and balanced into a McIntosh mc352 and also into a pair of custom built class D monoblocks that output 300 watt per channel. I switch between the two amps into my Klipsch La Scala speakers and NHT Ten subs. I run the SS when I want easy listening. I switch to the class D when I want a wider deeper soundstage and more punch and dynamic bite in my music. When I combine the Ares12 and class D the performance becomes very exciting even on the edge of unreal digital sound, but never bad. I am really hoping some day Denafrips includes a remote and ASEB input. I love switching between my server, cd transport and streamer. I am really tempted to sell the 12 and try the SMSL. With the class D the soundstage plays well beyond the speakers, the McIntosh soundstage not so much. Thanks again for the comparisons, very Helpful!
Thank you. It was disappointing that the 12th-1 came out so soon after the previous model. It is no way for a reputable HiFi brand to treat existing customers. I pointed this out to the global distributor at the time. Hopefully, Denafrips won’t repeat the mistake 😊
I've been wanting to see these DACs tested side by side---thank you for the review. In your opinion, which do you think would be best with electronic music?
All will be good. It depends on what sonic characteristics you are prioritising. If you want quick start-stop transients but not the biggest soundstage, I would go for the Topping. If you want the biggest soundstage but with softer edges, go for the SMSL. For the best all round performance, go for the Denafrips 😊
Have you listened to the Merason Frerot compared to the Ares? I compared the two and went with the Frerot with the Pow1(separate matched power supply). The Merason is slightly more money(without the Pow1), but I thought stronger in the low, mid and top end. Paired with the Rega Alex-r Integrated Amp. I am curious to hear your thoughts? Excellent review, as usual.
Thank you for the review! These DAC chips gone long way...There is one DAC, which has been praised for a long time: SMSL SU-10, however now came out Its reincarnation SMSL SU-X. I was wondering if you could to review this unit, if you have a chance...and give your honest opinion, compare. Thank you!
Nice roundup. Not sure I've seen Schiit represented on your channel before but some of the Schiit DACs would make for an interesting comparison. The Ares being great and nudging out the win doesn't surprise me but the SMSL VMV is pretty interesting for sure, not sure I care for the gold accents though and I think I prefer the cleaner looks of the previous VMV models.
I have the WDS-1 Reference DAC by Woo Audio, I think the dac chip is the Texas Instruments PCM1795, introduced to the dac market in 2009? This dac via headphones has me convinced that the bottlenecks in my 2-channel stereo system is not the WDS-1. I'm from the camp that says headphones don't lie! I'm thinking that these three newer offerings by Topping, SMSL, Denafrips are likely better sounding than the Woo Audio WDS-1. Thing is if I'm not achieving the maximum sound quality potential from the dac I have, does it make sense to upgrade the dac? So after years and years of daily use the output stage failed on the WDS-1 and this was likely my fault for changing RCA cables with the unit powered, I know it was. I sent it back to Woo Audio and paid $150 dollars + shipping for the repair good as new. Headphones are a different hifi realm where the dac used is front and center, with stereo systems it seems to me that the major bottlenecks to better sound quality are always the room acoustics first and foremost followed by the performance of the speakers and the synergy / match between the two. Notice how the dac market hit the soft performance limits years ago so in order to keep the market novel, one dac chip is going out of style now the dac market wants to sell audiophiles quad channel chips. Let's start a product line called Bag-Dac, our motto, chock full of chips, dacs named after fish
Hello Tarun from Northern California! Another great review video. I've been watching for quite some time now. Your CZcams alerts get my attention! I'm been a fan of my Topping D90 Gen 1 for some time. I've devoted time/funds in upgrading other areas of my HiFi over the years, but next step is the DAC. Per this review and your info I'm leaning towards sticking with Topping for best synergy for end sound. Do you have a recommendation for a DDC to pair with the Topping D90-III? Looking to utilize I2S interface. Thank you for any advice you can provide! All the best for 2024!!
So my int. Amp has HT by pass. So as Taron mentioned any of this dacs (not denafrips) can run as a pre amp since they volume control doest not degrade sound??
I still have the denafripps Aries 2 but have found that upgrading the streamer has made a big difference I went from a Wiim mini to a Primare nt5 which cost nearly the same as the dac I find the sound as the best I ever owned.
Hi Tarun, Another excellent video and has me wanting to upgrade from my now old Arcam IRDac even though I think it sounds good it is 10 years old. The only problem I find with these reviews are that the products are always foreign and there are no UK Hi FI dealers selling them. I don't entertain eBay and not keen on buying direct from China so as much as I would like to buy the Denafrips I can't see myself getting one which is a shame.
Thanks for the review. I love my Ares 12th-1. Coincidentally, it replaced the short lived really original Topping D90 in my main system (the version with the AKM 4499 chip which was not on sale long because the AKM fire dried up supply of that chip), though it is still being used in my TV/Blu-ray system. While the differences are fairly subtle for me (your ears are better educated), I do prefer the R2R presentation. I was wondering about your information on the Ares 12th-1 NOS mode. Denafrips has acknowledged that the original Ares II was not a true NOS DAC, although it had an NOS mode, but they state that the Ares 12th is now a true NOS DAC. Is that statement incorrect?
The 12th editions have an improved NOS mode, but it is still just emulating a NOS sound. RME uses the same filter technique with their "NOS Filter." Whether your ears will care is another matter.
It may be true that Denafrips DACs are now operating in true NOS. Given the history, I think the claim should be independently verified before it is universally accepted 😊
Excellent review. I have been torn between the Denafrips and the SMSL VMV and this gives me some much needed clarity. I am running a Luxman 505uxii into ATC SCM19 with Bluesound Node as the source component.
Excellent review. I have the Ares 12-1 and it was great till I added the Iris DDC. After about a 100 hours of running with an I2 S cable from Ricable the combination sounds awesome. I am not an audiophile but I have a very nice gaming rig and I listen to music on my kit . No, I do not listen to exacting recordings. I believe that if a piece of electronics is going to resolve the soundstage then I want to see what it can do with Red Dead Redemption II on PC and if it can extract detail on Bollywood music played through CZcams Music . My gaming headset is a Sennheiser HD 800S and I can say that every time I listen to music or play video games the experience is incredible . It is realistic and warm and the DA- DDC combo does extract more data from lowly sources making the whole experience so much more engaging through the HD 800S. I think the price point for what you get with those two units is amazing.
I enjoy your reviews and find them easy to understand and articulate regarding both objective and subjective performance. I am new to the hifi digital side and find this DAC performance interesting. When I hear, a review say tonal differences and stereo separation, I am surprised as this information is either included or not in the original digital source. So the DAC is adding or embellishing the signal, correct? I assume that if I want the cleanest pure reproduction of the original signal then a lower end DAC is sufficient. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Thank you Robert. There a lot of factors that can influence the performance and sonic presentation of a DAC. Unfortunately, too much to get into here 👍
@@HungryEatNow thx it seems we don’t want the DAC to influence the signal, yet the 1,000 Euro DAC’s are compared by what they add to the music. My apologies if I miss the nuance here, I mean no offence.
@@robertmeyers9313All DACs influence the signal....because they convert the digital signal to analogue! The way they do this....reconstruction filters, power supplies, precision clocks etc is what makes them sound different.
I wish you could review more of these top of the line units from brands like smsl, topping and others. They just keep getting better and better and in my opinion are better value when compared to other brands like denafrips. Not having a remote, nor being able to be used as a pre (not to mention all the added options and customization) is a pain... Maybe Topping dx9 in a next one? 😀 I think it's their top of the line unit right now (maybe not for long though lol) Their la90d amps also seem very nice, specially as monoblocks. Maybe you could try an all topping system with these two. Oh and smsl d400ex seems great too.😊
Indeed it would have 😉👍 @abritishaudiophile7314 ...... That's food for thought for an upcoming video 📹 😄. Keep up the good work Taron, your reviews are greatly appreciated
Sorry, I mean single ended. Do you think Denafrips still has a place in an unbalanced setup? It would seem Denafrips forgo the output stage. 🤔 @@abritishaudiophile7314
Have you reviewed the Gustard Audalytics Ah90 yet? It is a streamer, a headphone amp and dac all for 600. Add a LPS to that and it is still cheaper than all three of these. When are you going to review it???
Hello! Early on in my new HiFi Journey, I had both the D90SE and the Denafrips Ares 2 around at the same time. I did not particularly like the D90SE. While it was an upgrade to my hifiberry raspberry hat, it still sounded artificial and „digital“. On the other side, the Denafrips sounded very natural, especially noticeable in highs, e.g. cymbals. Now, a couple of iterations later, running the T+A DAC200 is a whole different story. Started to put out some videos - if anyone is interested 😇
I am trying to set up a music & video setup at home. I am a new audiophile. I like Cambridge DacMagic 200 . So please suggest if I can connect Cambridge DacMagic 200 DAC to ONKYO TX NR 6100. Please also suggest some desent speakers supporting ONKYO.
Yes, you will be able to connect the DacMagic 200 to the NR6100 via RCA left and right channels. There are plenty of speaker options depending on budget, room size and personal taste. Good luck 👍
smsl d 400ex surpasses in everything Denafrips Ares 12th-1 ! detail , naturalness of sound , sound and tonal balance ! I've been testing them for two weeks . Yamaha as 2200 /audiovector r3 signature
I also have D300. That Rohm chip is special. D300 is very sparse inside with a switch mode power supply. That Rohm chip is doing most of heavy lifting. I'm waiting on new Luxman DAC with this Rohm chip as my endgame.
The D90SE works for me, no colouration but neutral. The R8 tube amp adds some nice colour to female voices. I assume its successor will sound alike. Casing is solid aluminium, not steel.
I find Topping DACs to be neutral and balanced, but thin and lifeless sounding. I've owned two of them and do not care for their presentation at all. I currently have the SMSL D300 in my main system. It's the little brother to the the SMSL you reviewed. Same chip, switch mode power supply, cheaper case. It's a hair less good in measurement performance. 1db in SINAD which is nothing. I love it. It does not have the top end excitement as you explained. I am treble sensitive so it suits me. The rest of it's sonic performance is excellent IMO. It's also far cheaper than the higher end unit you reviewed. BTW HPC stands for High Precision Calculation. When High Precision Calculation Mode is enabled, the micro controller uses a higher precision floating-point unit, which supports double-precision calculations (64-bit) and provides greater accuracy in mathematical operations. However, this takes longer to calculate and could cause latency. No issue for music playback, but could affect audio/video sync issues. I've not experienced any AV latency issues with it on so I leave it on. Full disclosure. The D300 can have popping when switching sampling rates. Depending on your firmware and what inputs you are using and source material type (PCM/DSD) you could have none or too much. I don't have any issues using RCA and PCM on the 1.0 firmware, but others have reported it to be loud on some firmware or slight on others.
I have also tried a decent amount of these brands, the achillies heel is on the preamp side. Pairing with a preamp to your taste gives you the most satisfaction.
I had a Topping DAC for about 4 years now... One of the digital inputs that I rarely use has developed problems synching signals and Topping factory refuses to acknowledge that it is a problem, even after tons of comments online, and wants me to pay for shipping roundtrip to China... APOS just washed their hands saying they can't do anything. NEVER AGAIN ! I also have Denafrips Ares and their dealer in Singapore is the best. Knows how to treat a customer right. He has me as a customer for life. Topping can go pound some sand as my experience with Topping has been awful. For me, the support after the sale speaks volumes and Denafrips/Vinshine ROCKS whereas Topping and APOS can disappear from the planet.
Pretty hard to find a single DAC that does everything well. You have to get up in the price to get into the real competition where it really shines. The Topping is a cleaner overall presentation to me, but it is lacking in bass performance as you mentioned. This is the problem in this price step, too many compromises. That is the nature of the entry level gear. This won’t change because of economics involved. Price point economics is still the rule in audio products due to profit yield on a per unit basis. Wish it weren’t so, but it is.
Objectively, it is a real contender, and having heard chord in general they have a smooth mid vocal presentation. The bias against mojo is that it is not balanced and it is made for portable.
The Chordo Mojo 2 is a great DAC for the money but the Denafrips Ares 12th-1 is better. The others will be better in some aspects but worse in others 😊
@@peterruler48 most DACs have digital volume controls that will compromise performance. There are some exceptions such as the Holo Audio Spring 3. Also, the extra gain from a good quality preamp can bring sonic benefits 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 I'm sorry, I really don't want to be nit-picking. Your statement was false because an increasing number of DACs in recent times are using analogue volume controls. Secondly, it's not that you can hear digital attenuation, only that bit depth and rounding errors are a consequence of this form of attenuation. However, analogue preamps add noise, distortion, phasing issues etc. , and this is often much worse than digital attenuation. There are exceptions, like the Benchmark LA4/HPA4 and various passive preamp designs. I know, it's hard to be concise in CZcams videos, but blanket statements are almost always inaccurate. Yours...
@@peterruler48 I will have to agree to disagree with you Peter. A lot of DACs still use digital volume controls that adversely affect sound quality, even if this is done by DSP rather than simple bit reduction. The DACs that have analogue volume controls usually have relatively cheap ones that also degrade sound quality. A good quality dedicated preamp will do little to degrade the signal and brings sonic benefits, such as increased scale, dynamics and better bass control. It is unclear why this tends to be the case and you can’t simply look at it from an objectivist standpoint. The best explanations I have come across is that it has something to do with impedance matching and the ability to drive cables. This is why almost all high end systems use dedicated preamps even in digital only setups 😊
IMO they are on par, the issue with R2R is preamp pairing which will cost you much more to find one to your taste. As for A26 or X26 pple are bias and favour AKM... hardly any clear winner here.
@abritishaudiophile7314 Thx. Looks like only a few hundred more than the A26, so price isn't an issue. Stereophile lists the Benchmark DAC3 as A+ for $2300 as a musical bargain, in the same category as $20-40K DACs. Benchmark builds studio gear - very highly rated. Might be fun to play with the R26 to see how it stacks up.
I love the Denafrips Ares II 12th so much in 3/2023 that 3 months later I added the Denafrips Iris 12th and wow! In 11/2023 I moved the Ares to my 2ndary system and upgraded to the Denafrips Pontus II 12th-1 hooked up to the Iris 12th and wow! My setup: czcams.com/video/8mxQ2BIjsws/video.html
@@abritishaudiophile7314 This is great news, It's hard to find a streamer/dac with a rca sub out especially when my sub doesn't have hi-pass speaker terminals. "sigh"
I have a Topping E30 which retails for £149. It is used solely for TV duties. Normally this dac is run from a phone charger plug top supply. I have built a high quality linear supply using a Sparkoslabs voltage regulator. This supply sounds vastly superior to the phone charger. Just for fun I recently took it to a friend's house to compare with his Denafrips Terminator Plus. We used his Denafrips Avatar transport. I was quite surprised when the E30 didn't completely embarrass itself. Yes the T+ was better with a much more expansive soundstage better bass and a fuller richer tonal balance. The E30 was almost as detailed and had a smoothly extended top end, not at all coarse. It also possessed great midrange transparency. Considering the price difference I was mightily impressed with the Topping dac.
I would easily pick SmSl D2R based on that Rohm chip alone. It's a truly special chip. I have older D300 playing now on my Mcintosh system. Amazing for the price.
The D2R is a very good DAC for this price. The human voice is realistic and the sound stage is very good with this DAC (in my system). (Sound color: High OSR + HPC OFF) I also have a VMV D1SE DAC (first version) but I use it less and less.
@@itt9037 Important: I could not use the I2S interface of the D1SE. I used the USB and coax inputs. The D2R DAC works with my PI2AES modul via the I2S interface. I think the D1SE has good soundstage (wide and deep). D2R (I2S input) The soundstage is wider with D2R but the biggest difference is that the soundstage is more precise. The location of the sounds in the space (soundstage) is much more accurate. Other difference: The highest frequencies of D1SE are sharper and the lowest frequencies are heavier than D2R. (But the D1SE is not harsh either. Focal Beryllium never harsh.) The human voice is more natural with D2R DAC. (In my system).
Three reviews for the price of one! Thanks Tarun!
Thanks Bryan. I thought that made more sense in this market segment 😊
Great review, Tarun. I know they are a pain to organise but comparative reviews are really worthwhile. It’s the closest we get to a good old fashioned demo at a bricks and mortar specialist dealer.😊
Thanks Mark. You are right it is hard work getting them in at the same time. I hope to do more reviews in this format when I can 😊👍
The more dacs you review the more i cant wait for you to discover something you like more than the Ares 12th at under 1000 or the gustard r26 under 2000. You have set the bar high for these two levels and it will be significant for your listeners when they are both bested in their price categories. Keep it up!
Thank you kindly 😊👍
A while ago, I upgraded my Audiolab M-DAC to the Denafrips Venus 12th edition. Initially, the difference was subtle. With time and many attentive listening hours, I’ve learned to appreciate the virtues of the Venus. Alvin at Vinshine who knows my system well, he did sell all of it to me barring the speakers and CD transport, did recommend the Terminator, but I wasn’t ready to invest £6000 in a DAC. I think it’s important to take on board that an upgraded DAC will not make the significant difference that maybe a speaker upgrade can make.
Hello Tarun Just a swift update. I have had the SMSL VMV D2R in my system for around 4 months now . I have to say its a really good chip based Dac. Much better than anything I've had in my headphone system to date. The sound is open,detailed and clean,without much digital glare you get with most Chip based Dacs. The details portrayed seem slightly more focused than the Gustard R26 which is however more spacious in the soundstage image portrayed. The R26 has more depth but doesn't sound as focused. I must say I like both for the slightly different presentations . I use Both Dacs via an Ifi Neo streamer. The SMSL VMV via a I2S connection ( Pin configurations match) The Gustard is connected also via I2S but USB out from the IFI steamer into a Singxer SU6 DDU which provides the I2S signal. I have found the Gustard a bit bright via direct USB connection. To be frank both Dacs sound really good connected via I2S and using a streamed signal so it really depends on personal taste.
@@robertruff8736 thank you for sharing your experiences 😊
Thank you for a very good review. Each is certainly impressive
Appreciate your efforts here. Really good dac’s here. For most of us. Unique sound signatures for each.
Thx 👍
Glad to a see great revealing review between the 2 genres of tech put to the test.
Thanks you 😊
Great comparative review indeed. I can recall the first time I heard the original Ares II in my system with older Magnepan MG12's. Tears literally came to my eyes listening to acoustic and instrumental music. A year and a half later I upgraded to the Pontus II. Just fabulous without question. So many DACs out there now since my original purchase. I am standing pat for sure.
Thank you 👍
It is surely enjoyable with spending power
I love my Pontus II. My wife has now started to listen to tracks more critically since we got it. My Kung fu is strong.
Hi Tarun, great review and comparison. I had been using my Eversolo DMP-A6 as a streamer/DAC since I bouth it near a year ago, and it's performance was really nice to me. Last week I received my new Denafrips Ares 12th-1 and start to using the DMP-A6 only as a streamer transport and SSD player, connected by USB to the Ares 12th-1. I couldn't be happier with this addition to my system. I found that is a step forward in the sound quality with the Ares 12th-1 as the main DAC and I'm enjoying so much my music with this new sound signature :).
Cheers!
Great 👍 thanks for sharing 😊
@infynyte what is it that made you happier ? if you don't mind sharing . was it a major or only slight improvement in sound and enjoyment ? I also have the Eversolo DMP-A6 , My amp is Arcam Sa 20 , Speakers are Elac Vela Bs403's coupled with a Rel T/7x for sub . I'm seriously considering the Denefrips 12th-1 and iching to pull the trigger. I just haven't convinced myself. Either way glad you are enjoying and to @abritishaudiophile7314 ... I enjoy your reviews tx.
Thank you, Tarun for another great review. I so appreciate that your reviews always include comparison of similarly priced products. And a three-way comparison? All I can say is "Bob's your uncle" or maybe "stone the crows".
Thank you kindly 😊👍
This content is perfectly timed for me, the only other one I’m keen on is the Schiit Bifrost 2/64.
Thanks Tarun.
Thx 👍
Yes, I'd like to hear his thoughts on the bifrost 2/64
Very thorough and detailed review!
Thank you 😊
GREAT video Tarun! I have a Topping D90 between my Exposure XI/XII/VIII and Primare CD32 and revel in the detail. You're right about the soundstage - from the CD32 outputs it is naturally superior and I'm only occasionally frustrated by the lighter bass of the D90. Since getting my speaker cables off the floor, I have been super impressed with microdetails and transient speed. I was on filter Mode 2 but after your review am now trying Mode 4.
All the best, Rob in Switzerland
Thx Rob 👍
Great review, Tarun! All three dacs are out of my price range at the moment but fascinating to watch nonetheless.
Thx. Much appreciated 😊👍
Thank you ever so much Tarun,, 👍😎👍
Much appreciated 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 💖💖💖💖
Thx as always 🙏
Nice job, Tarun 🎧👍🙂
Great Review!! Thxs!
Thank you 👍
Wonderful review, as always! Thoroughly enjoyed it this Saturday morning. I honestly don’t know anyone that considers so many important factors as succinctly.
I remember once thinking that a Sabre based d/s dac would be harsh, 2d and lacking in body. But now no way…programming and output stages are so good on so many dacs lately! I’m currently in love with the very special octo research dac8 stereo. Hits many of the marks you’d indicated here (albeit probably not as deep as a ladder dac) 🙏🏼
We really need to use our ears than reading specifications
I once owned SMSL D300 with same Rohm chip…it also had a very relaxed top end and energetic songs fell flat…it was a great jazz DAC as it did the other things you mentioned.
Cool 😎
Excellent review, as always, Tarun. Cheers! (P. in Jpn.)
Thank you 👍
Nice review
Hi. Great video once again. You mentioned that the Denafrips is not a true Non over sampling DAC. I thought that this updated 12th-1 version is true NOS but I guess I thought wrong. Is there a video where you explain this?
My favorite line 👉🏼 "The ole girl's got a posh new frock." 😃👍🏼
You ARE The British Audiophile, after all !
Great comparison, Tarun!
Thank you 😊👍
Another excellent review!
Sounds like the Denafrips is still the closest to my taste, but the surprise is how close the others came. Nonetheless, the music's in the mids.
Thanks for the good review. Would you say the SMSL has a cool, neutral or warm tone?
Thanks for the great review. One small nibble/correction: the Topping is not made 'cheaper' out of folded steel, but out of a solid (milled) block of aluminium. I have the D90 (AKM) edition, it has the exact same case as yours and it is absoluty not folded steel. Maybe check your Topping again? Nothing important, but I thought I'd mention it anyway 😉.
Excellent review !!! Agree 100%. I would probably choose Topping as the speed and clarity are more important to me.
Thank you 😊
Good afternoon from
Toronto ☕️❄️
I chose the Denafrips Ares 12-1 as my end game DAC😎
Great video as usual 👍👍
Enjoy the weekend 🥃
Thank you 👍
Would love to hear you talk about the Denafrips Hestia preamplifier. In the near future perhaps 🤔
I appreciate the suggestion 😊
Another fantastic review Tarun.
I was wondering if you have contacted Audio-GD to review their R2R based R-7HE MK3? It's the only DAC I know of with a regenerative power supply.
I'm dying to hear how it stacks up to Denafrips and others
Thank you. I appreciate the suggestion 😊👍
Great review as usual. It would be perfect if you can compare this 3 dacs with the Holo Audio Cyan 2
Thx 👍
Very enjoyable comparison. What I would like to know is how the Chord Qutest stacks up against these newer DACs, especially the Denafrips. The Qutest is much older but is the closest Chord in monetary terms. Rob Watts said (at CanJam NYC 2023) that he is
“not a fan” of R2R DACs, for reasons that flew over my head. Any comment?
I am also curious what the differences are. Ares12 th vs qutest vs R26 vs Holo audio vs Audionote dac would be very nice
This review video gets an ”Outstanding” from this viewer.
Hi Tarun and thanks for review, I do enjoy your channel. Based on your review and another I found online , I have just ordered the SMSL DAC to add to my headphone system. It will be replacing a SMSL D400 Pro which is good but not great . It will be used as a contrast in sound signature to my Gustard R26 Dac . If you would like I can add some comments against this video when I have had a listen. The SMSL appeals due to its soundstage width and depth which I can appreciate in my headphone system. It also has a I2s input which is directly compatible with my Ifi Neo Stream unit. Keep up the excellent reviews.
Thank you. Much appreciated 😊👍
How does D2r compares to R26? Had R26 in my system, but it was too edgy on some songs (with acoustic guitar, for example), so I switched to 9000A internal DAC.
Can D2R be the same level of DAC as R26?
Great review as always. I'm looking to upgrade to an Exposure 2510 + separate DAC in the next few months and I'm wondering if a £1000 DAC is overkill at the price point of the amplifier.
Thx. No as I use the Denafrips Ares 12th regularly with the Exposure 2510 😊
Hi Tarun, superb review as always and in particular, I'm interested in ladder DACs, craving the sound of my youth.
I've ordered a 'Musician Draco' for my setup and was wondering if you might be having a look at this brand and its models.
Keep up the great work 👍👌
Thank you. I appreciate the suggestion 👍
Thanks for the great video ! I been looking to upgrade my DAC and I been leaning towards the Denefrips , I was also looking at the Denefrips pre amp and amps for the money they look very high quality but after watching your video on it I am not sure now. I also been thinking about muzishare tube amp but I listen to a lot of metal and electronic music and I don't know if I will be happy with a tube amp. It's so hard when you can't listen to things before you buy them
Thx. It is tough when tomdecide when you can’t audition first. Just do as much homework as possible from sources you trust 👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 thanks that's I watch and trust your reviews . Thanks again
Great review Tarun, thank you! As I have my wallet in my hand ready to take the leap with the Ares 12-1 at the top of the list, my only hesitation is when compared to Schiit Bifrost 2-64. However, as they are relatively new in the market and not the usual candidates, there are very few reviews about them (more on the Denafrips but less on Schiit and no comparisons at all), so I only wish you have had the opportunity to include that DAC. Nevertheless, I enjoyed this video, thanks again!
Thank you Carlos 👍
You will not go wrong with any of the Denafrips line.
Hello Tarun, thank you for comparison, based on my experience with ESS and other DAC chip sets, I had my doubts that it was better than the R to R ladder DAC. You have confirmed my doubts that the R to R ladder DAC’s produced natural tonality and warm and does not produce gleaming metallic sound. I was a bit concerned about the rave reviews given by some channels towards these chip sets, you have put mind at ease. Thank you. Now I can concentrate on upgrading my terminator 2 to 12th anniversary edition.
You might want to try rockna instead
And how are they vs the rme and chord dacs close to this price range?
Great review! I have the original ares II and I really like it, but i miss more definition in the bass region. I'll upgrade to the venus since I like the natural tonality of denafrips.
Tarun please review high end streamers like Aurender N150/N200 against Lumin U2 or mini!
Thx 😊
Great review as usual pinpointing the pros and cons and styles of different equipment. I wonder if you ever come across with Wattson Emerson streamer/dac like the one I'm using which is their Emerson Analog. It has got top airisness in details, extremely natural midrange, albeit not heavy weight and msot surprisingly, authoritative bass response. One problem is that it makes me very to upgrade since I would need to spend 2 to 3 times more in order to have marked improvement over my current setup. Plus it's still selling at a reasonable price as a combined streamer/dac
It's really hard to be able to try them all, even for a reviewer.
@@HungryEatNow What a drag... They are amazing product and keep improving if I upgrade my other equipment in my system!
Think about it , Wattson Emerson is sharing the same streaming card that costs over $5000 euros that are being used by CH Precision! and fact is WEA is actually designed by Engineered SA !
Looking forward to you reviewing the new Cambridge CXN 100
Watch this space 😉
Yes me too. Can it really improve on the mighty V2!
@@abritishaudiophile7314 great stuff! Streamer/DACs is where it's at. Cyrus Classic Stream should be on your list too👍
Ohh, this should be good
There is a huge choice of Chinese designed and manufactured DACs all with outstanding features and performance across a wide price range. I have a couple at home and both have helped me realise that digital is now the go to source.
Thx for sharing 😊
I've had my eyes on the Holo Audio Cyan 2 around this price but there aren't many reviews on it. Would love to see you review it.
You might want to explore a preamp to your taste, thereafter you might then realise dacs are relatively the same.
Be great to hear a review of Denafrips Audio Ares 12th-1 vs Holo Audio Cyan 2 vs Musician Audio Pegasus II
I'd love a proper R2R DAC with a clear case and LEDs illuminating key components. Like a gaming PC. Something to show off the circuitry while you sit and listen.
That would be cool 😊
Great review, thanks. I am about to purchase either the Denafrips or a higher end chip Dac. Love everthing I hear about the Ares 12-1, but my concern is about it's bass clarity and definition. I listen to a lot of music with acoustic bass and and it's important to me. I have tried some Delta-Sigma dacs and while they do very well in the bass, they have always been to harsh in the treble. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thank you. I cover the relative strengths and weaknesses in the review 😊
Yes, I see you did cover it near then end. Thanks. I have purchased the ares 12-1, and will let you know how it compares to the SMSL VMV D1se2 that I am currently using. Cheers.@@abritishaudiophile7314
Hello Mr British Audiophile, hope you're doing great. I just purchased, thanks to your recommendation, the Choco sound Emei, and i really love it. Now im looking for a DAC because i don't have any. I think the type of warm sound of the Choco, is what I'm looking for in my audio journey. Having said that, maybe i want a little tiny bit more detail, or a little tiny bit more speed from it. But again, im afraid to lose that warm and musical cosy sound. Can you please aid me? The Ares 12 is what got my attention, but i fear it is going to be too much. Or The Topping is going to balance things out?
Sorry for the long message 😊
By the way my speakers are Q Acoustics Concept 300.
It is hard to account for personal taste but the Ares 12th would be top of my list 😊
The Chinese dac battle!….yeah
Hi Tarun, great video! I have had my Ares12 about 8 or 9 months now. I have to say I’m a little disappointed that they came out with the 12-1 so quickly. I will guess there’s going to be very little difference between the two sonically. I have to say the 12 is really a fantastic DAC, I go balanced into a McIntosh c50 Pre and balanced into a McIntosh mc352 and also into a pair of custom built class D monoblocks that output 300 watt per channel. I switch between the two amps into my Klipsch La Scala speakers and NHT Ten subs. I run the SS when I want easy listening. I switch to the class D when I want a wider deeper soundstage and more punch and dynamic bite in my music. When I combine the Ares12 and class D the performance becomes very exciting even on the edge of unreal digital sound, but never bad. I am really hoping some day Denafrips includes a remote and ASEB input. I love switching between my server, cd transport and streamer. I am really tempted to sell the 12 and try the SMSL. With the class D the soundstage plays well beyond the speakers, the McIntosh soundstage not so much. Thanks again for the comparisons, very Helpful!
Thank you. It was disappointing that the 12th-1 came out so soon after the previous model. It is no way for a reputable HiFi brand to treat existing customers. I pointed this out to the global distributor at the time. Hopefully, Denafrips won’t repeat the mistake 😊
I've been wanting to see these DACs tested side by side---thank you for the review. In your opinion, which do you think would be best with electronic music?
Honestly, the fun is in trying them out yourself, take a hit and sell the ones that does not resonate 😊
All will be good. It depends on what sonic characteristics you are prioritising. If you want quick start-stop transients but not the biggest soundstage, I would go for the Topping. If you want the biggest soundstage but with softer edges, go for the SMSL. For the best all round performance, go for the Denafrips 😊
Have you listened to the Merason Frerot compared to the Ares? I compared the two and went with the Frerot with the Pow1(separate matched power supply). The Merason is slightly more money(without the Pow1), but I thought stronger in the low, mid and top end. Paired with the Rega Alex-r Integrated Amp. I am curious to hear your thoughts? Excellent review, as usual.
Yes, here is the review 😊
czcams.com/video/SSPhxnrMA1o/video.htmlsi=v1bRCDQuQTFSCj0F
Thank you. Just watched it. Excellent review and comparisons. I really enjoy my Ferret with the Pow1. Appreciate your comparisons!
Thank you for the review! These DAC chips gone long way...There is one DAC, which has been praised for a long time: SMSL SU-10, however now came out Its reincarnation SMSL SU-X. I was wondering if you could to review this unit, if you have a chance...and give your honest opinion, compare. Thank you!
I appreciate the suggestion 😊
Nice roundup. Not sure I've seen Schiit represented on your channel before but some of the Schiit DACs would make for an interesting comparison. The Ares being great and nudging out the win doesn't surprise me but the SMSL VMV is pretty interesting for sure, not sure I care for the gold accents though and I think I prefer the cleaner looks of the previous VMV models.
Bifrost 2 is very capable and offers a pretty interesting take to these dacs
Thx for sharing 😊
Wish you could do a review of a Geshelli JNOG socketed and a Schiit DAC. 🤞
Thank you 😊
I have the WDS-1 Reference DAC by Woo Audio, I think the dac chip is the Texas Instruments PCM1795, introduced to the dac market in 2009? This dac via headphones has me convinced that the bottlenecks in my 2-channel stereo system is not the WDS-1. I'm from the camp that says headphones don't lie! I'm thinking that these three newer offerings by Topping, SMSL, Denafrips are likely better sounding than the Woo Audio WDS-1. Thing is if I'm not achieving the maximum sound quality potential from the dac I have, does it make sense to upgrade the dac? So after years and years of daily use the output stage failed on the WDS-1 and this was likely my fault for changing RCA cables with the unit powered, I know it was. I sent it back to Woo Audio and paid $150 dollars + shipping for the repair good as new. Headphones are a different hifi realm where the dac used is front and center, with stereo systems it seems to me that the major bottlenecks to better sound quality are always the room acoustics first and foremost followed by the performance of the speakers and the synergy / match between the two. Notice how the dac market hit the soft performance limits years ago so in order to keep the market novel, one dac chip is going out of style now the dac market wants to sell audiophiles quad channel chips. Let's start a product line called Bag-Dac, our motto, chock full of chips, dacs named after fish
Hello Tarun from Northern California! Another great review video. I've been watching for quite some time now. Your CZcams alerts get my attention! I'm been a fan of my Topping D90 Gen 1 for some time. I've devoted time/funds in upgrading other areas of my HiFi over the years, but next step is the DAC. Per this review and your info I'm leaning towards sticking with Topping for best synergy for end sound. Do you have a recommendation for a DDC to pair with the Topping D90-III? Looking to utilize I2S interface. Thank you for any advice you can provide! All the best for 2024!!
Thank you. The only DDC I have tried thus far is the Denafrips Iris. It is a good upgrade to the Ares DAC 😊
So my int. Amp has HT by pass. So as Taron mentioned any of this dacs (not denafrips) can run as a pre amp since they volume control doest not degrade sound??
That is right 😊
I still have the denafripps Aries 2 but have found that upgrading the streamer has made a big difference I went from a Wiim mini to a Primare nt5 which cost nearly the same as the dac I find the sound as the best I ever owned.
The quality of the streaming transport is important to sound quality too 😊
Hi Tarun, Another excellent video and has me wanting to upgrade from my now old Arcam IRDac even though I think it sounds good it is 10 years old. The only problem I find with these reviews are that the products are always foreign and there are no UK Hi FI dealers selling them. I don't entertain eBay and not keen on buying direct from China so as much as I would like to buy the Denafrips I can't see myself getting one which is a shame.
Thank you. Much appreciated 👍
I had irDAC . Any of these are miles better than arcam.
Hallo.what do you think about the old deltec dac7,with tda 1547 philips chip set ?Does a dac as old as this still make sense today?
I wouldn’t might getting the Sugden DAC in to find out 😊
Great overview ...but just wondering if you might be reviewing the holo cyan 2 r2r dac at some point?
I hope to 😊
Thanks for the review. I love my Ares 12th-1. Coincidentally, it replaced the short lived really original Topping D90 in my main system (the version with the AKM 4499 chip which was not on sale long because the AKM fire dried up supply of that chip), though it is still being used in my TV/Blu-ray system. While the differences are fairly subtle for me (your ears are better educated), I do prefer the R2R presentation. I was wondering about your information on the Ares 12th-1 NOS mode. Denafrips has acknowledged that the original Ares II was not a true NOS DAC, although it had an NOS mode, but they state that the Ares 12th is now a true NOS DAC. Is that statement incorrect?
The 12th editions have an improved NOS mode, but it is still just emulating a NOS sound. RME uses the same filter technique with their "NOS Filter."
Whether your ears will care is another matter.
It may be true that Denafrips DACs are now operating in true NOS. Given the history, I think the claim should be independently verified before it is universally accepted 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks for the response. I think that's a fair statement.
So for a device like the D90 whats the best way to feed it music? Would you use a streamer like a WiiM?
I haven’t heard the WiiM stuff as yet but it seems well regarded 😊
Excellent review. I have been torn between the Denafrips and the SMSL VMV and this gives me some much needed clarity. I am running a Luxman 505uxii into ATC SCM19 with Bluesound Node as the source component.
Thank you 👍
Danke!
Much appreciated 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 You're dearly welcome!
Excellent review. I have the Ares 12-1 and it was great till I added the Iris DDC. After about a 100 hours of running with an I2 S cable from Ricable the combination sounds awesome. I am not an audiophile but I have a very nice gaming rig and I listen to music on my kit . No, I do not listen to exacting recordings. I believe that if a piece of electronics is going to resolve the soundstage then I want to see what it can do with Red Dead Redemption II on PC and if it can extract detail on Bollywood music played through CZcams Music . My gaming headset is a Sennheiser HD 800S and I can say that every time I listen to music or play video games the experience is incredible . It is realistic and warm and the DA- DDC combo does extract more data from lowly sources making the whole experience so much more engaging through the HD 800S. I think the price point for what you get with those two units is amazing.
Great 👍 Thank you for sharing 😊
I enjoy your reviews and find them easy to understand and articulate regarding both objective and subjective performance. I am new to the hifi digital side and find this DAC performance interesting. When I hear, a review say tonal differences and stereo separation, I am surprised as this information is either included or not in the original digital source. So the DAC is adding or embellishing the signal, correct? I assume that if I want the cleanest pure reproduction of the original signal then a lower end DAC is sufficient. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Thank you Robert. There a lot of factors that can influence the performance and sonic presentation of a DAC. Unfortunately, too much to get into here 👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 thx. My question is, do we want the DAC to influence the signal? I thought no.
Tonality is set at the source recording or tuned in the mix.
@@HungryEatNow thx it seems we don’t want the DAC to influence the signal, yet the 1,000 Euro DAC’s are compared by what they add to the music. My apologies if I miss the nuance here, I mean no offence.
@@robertmeyers9313All DACs influence the signal....because they convert the digital signal to analogue! The way they do this....reconstruction filters, power supplies, precision clocks etc is what makes them sound different.
I wish you could review more of these top of the line units from brands like smsl, topping and others. They just keep getting better and better and in my opinion are better value when compared to other brands like denafrips. Not having a remote, nor being able to be used as a pre (not to mention all the added options and customization) is a pain... Maybe Topping dx9 in a next one? 😀 I think it's their top of the line unit right now (maybe not for long though lol) Their la90d amps also seem very nice, specially as monoblocks. Maybe you could try an all topping system with these two. Oh and smsl d400ex seems great too.😊
They sure looks great as a stack and I have sold off all my toppings and smsls
I would have ABSOLUTELY loved your inclusion of the Holoaudio Cyan 2 in this shoot out 😢
That would have been cool 😎
Indeed it would have 😉👍 @abritishaudiophile7314 ...... That's food for thought for an upcoming video 📹 😄.
Keep up the good work Taron, your reviews are greatly appreciated
What about SE performance? Would the SMSL be a better option over the Denafrips in that regard?
I don’t understand the question…
Sorry, I mean single ended. Do you think Denafrips still has a place in an unbalanced setup? It would seem Denafrips forgo the output stage. 🤔 @@abritishaudiophile7314
@@dr.zoidberg4313 I use it in an unbalanced setup. So absolutely yes 👍
Have you reviewed the Gustard Audalytics Ah90 yet? It is a streamer, a headphone amp and dac all for 600. Add a LPS to that and it is still cheaper than all three of these. When are you going to review it???
No plans as yet but I appreciate the suggestion 😊
Wow ..... Denafrips comes out on top, there's a surprise.
I know, but only just 😉
Hello! Early on in my new HiFi Journey, I had both the D90SE and the Denafrips Ares 2 around at the same time. I did not particularly like the D90SE. While it was an upgrade to my hifiberry raspberry hat, it still sounded artificial and „digital“. On the other side, the Denafrips sounded very natural, especially noticeable in highs, e.g. cymbals.
Now, a couple of iterations later, running the T+A DAC200 is a whole different story. Started to put out some videos - if anyone is interested 😇
Old Ares II and 12th-1 sounds very much different as per the reviews. May be you should try and compare 12th-1 with your Dac200.
Thanks for sharing 😊
I bought Meridian USB DAC to put in between my laptop and old technics amp about 15 years ago. I suddenly found out how important they are!
Cool 😎
👍
Thx 👍
I am trying to set up a music & video setup at home. I am a new audiophile. I like Cambridge DacMagic 200 . So please suggest if I can connect Cambridge DacMagic 200 DAC to ONKYO TX NR 6100. Please also suggest some desent speakers supporting ONKYO.
Yes, you will be able to connect the DacMagic 200 to the NR6100 via RCA left and right channels. There are plenty of speaker options depending on budget, room size and personal taste. Good luck 👍
So if one could get a used R26 for less than the 12-1, which would you take?
I personally prefer the Denafrips sonic presentation but that is a tough choice 😊
The Denafrips sound quality can further be upgraded with a Denafrips Iris 12th.
So what about the Holo audio cyan 2 and Musician Pegasus 2 ?
The first people are selling already the Cyan 2, because it obviously did not meet their expectations 😂
@@SpaceEncounter Who are "the first people"?
I should get to the Cyan 2 soon 😊
@@adriancal Just have a look at Head-Fi Classifieds!
What is it about the design of DACs that impacts bass performance?
Impulse response and timing....
Noisefloor in the lower frequencies.
smsl d 400ex surpasses in everything Denafrips Ares 12th-1 ! detail , naturalness of sound , sound and tonal balance ! I've been testing them for two weeks . Yamaha as 2200 /audiovector r3 signature
Thx for sharing 😊
I've been really surprised by my SMSL D300 dac. Reminds me of gustard r26 in many ways. Takes an age to burn in though
Thx for sharing 😊
I also have D300. That Rohm chip is special. D300 is very sparse inside with a switch mode power supply. That Rohm chip is doing most of heavy lifting. I'm waiting on new Luxman DAC with this Rohm chip as my endgame.
Any plans to review the Holo Audio Cyan 2 DAC and/or Musician Audio Pegasus II DAC?
I hope get to them in time 😊
The D90SE works for me, no colouration but neutral. The R8 tube amp adds some nice colour to female voices. I assume its successor will sound alike. Casing is solid aluminium, not steel.
Thx for sharing 😊
I find Topping DACs to be neutral and balanced, but thin and lifeless sounding. I've owned two of them and do not care for their presentation at all. I currently have the SMSL D300 in my main system. It's the little brother to the the SMSL you reviewed. Same chip, switch mode power supply, cheaper case. It's a hair less good in measurement performance. 1db in SINAD which is nothing. I love it. It does not have the top end excitement as you explained. I am treble sensitive so it suits me. The rest of it's sonic performance is excellent IMO. It's also far cheaper than the higher end unit you reviewed. BTW HPC stands for High Precision Calculation. When High Precision Calculation Mode is enabled, the micro controller uses a higher precision floating-point unit, which supports double-precision calculations (64-bit) and provides greater accuracy in mathematical operations. However, this takes longer to calculate and could cause latency. No issue for music playback, but could affect audio/video sync issues. I've not experienced any AV latency issues with it on so I leave it on.
Full disclosure. The D300 can have popping when switching sampling rates. Depending on your firmware and what inputs you are using and source material type (PCM/DSD) you could have none or too much. I don't have any issues using RCA and PCM on the 1.0 firmware, but others have reported it to be loud on some firmware or slight on others.
I have also tried a decent amount of these brands, the achillies heel is on the preamp side. Pairing with a preamp to your taste gives you the most satisfaction.
@@HungryEatNow that's my experience too. They have squeaky clean pre-amps. I use the pre in my Musical Fidelity M5si.
I also have a D300. Really like it. Its like a more modern/high res burr brown.
@@youtubiers that's what I said in my review on ASR.
@@youtubiersRohm DAC. Simply the best in the world when properly implemented and the focus is on sound quality not measurements.
Everything looks good but it would be good to test the sound
I did test the sound 😊
I’ve always felt that DAC’s offer the least amount of change to sound compared to speakers, room acoustic’s and recordings.
I can understand that 😊
That's true.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 I forgot to tell you that I very much like your videos and you do a wonderful job. Keep up the great work.
I had a Topping DAC for about 4 years now... One of the digital inputs that I rarely use has developed problems synching signals and Topping factory refuses to acknowledge that it is a problem, even after tons of comments online, and wants me to pay for shipping roundtrip to China... APOS just washed their hands saying they can't do anything. NEVER AGAIN ! I also have Denafrips Ares and their dealer in Singapore is the best. Knows how to treat a customer right. He has me as a customer for life. Topping can go pound some sand as my experience with Topping has been awful. For me, the support after the sale speaks volumes and Denafrips/Vinshine ROCKS whereas Topping and APOS can disappear from the planet.
Th ask you for sharing your experiences 😊
Pretty hard to find a single DAC that does everything well. You have to get up in the price to get into the real competition where it really shines. The Topping is a cleaner overall presentation to me, but it is lacking in bass performance as you mentioned. This is the problem in this price step, too many compromises. That is the nature of the entry level gear. This won’t change because of economics involved. Price point economics is still the rule in audio products due to profit yield on a per unit basis. Wish it weren’t so, but it is.
Thx Mark 😊
Oh good! The kettle is boiling...
Great 👍
How will Chord Mojo compete with these?
Objectively, it is a real contender, and having heard chord in general they have a smooth mid vocal presentation. The bias against mojo is that it is not balanced and it is made for portable.
The Chordo Mojo 2 is a great DAC for the money but the Denafrips Ares 12th-1 is better. The others will be better in some aspects but worse in others 😊
Sorry, why would you use a dedicated preamp with £3k DACs?
The volume control comprises performance 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 The volume control on £3k DACs compromise performance. What type of volume control?
@@peterruler48 most DACs have digital volume controls that will compromise performance. There are some exceptions such as the Holo Audio Spring 3. Also, the extra gain from a good quality preamp can bring sonic benefits 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 I'm sorry, I really don't want to be nit-picking. Your statement was false because an increasing number of DACs in recent times are using analogue volume controls. Secondly, it's not that you can hear digital attenuation, only that bit depth and rounding errors are a consequence of this form of attenuation. However, analogue preamps add noise, distortion, phasing issues etc. , and this is often much worse than digital attenuation. There are exceptions, like the Benchmark LA4/HPA4 and various passive preamp designs. I know, it's hard to be concise in CZcams videos, but blanket statements are almost always inaccurate. Yours...
@@peterruler48 I will have to agree to disagree with you Peter. A lot of DACs still use digital volume controls that adversely affect sound quality, even if this is done by DSP rather than simple bit reduction. The DACs that have analogue volume controls usually have relatively cheap ones that also degrade sound quality.
A good quality dedicated preamp will do little to degrade the signal and brings sonic benefits, such as increased scale, dynamics and better bass control. It is unclear why this tends to be the case and you can’t simply look at it from an objectivist standpoint. The best explanations I have come across is that it has something to do with impedance matching and the ability to drive cables. This is why almost all high end systems use dedicated preamps even in digital only setups 😊
How do the Gustards stack up here?
IMO they are on par, the issue with R2R is preamp pairing which will cost you much more to find one to your taste. As for A26 or X26 pple are bias and favour AKM... hardly any clear winner here.
@jedidiahe320 Run a Benchmark DAC3 into a Macintosh 275 tube amp into B&W speaks. DAC3 has a builtin headphone pre. Would just go direct.
The R26 is a step up in performance but also quite a bit more expensive 😊
@abritishaudiophile7314 Thx. Looks like only a few hundred more than the A26, so price isn't an issue. Stereophile lists the Benchmark DAC3 as A+ for $2300 as a musical bargain, in the same category as $20-40K DACs. Benchmark builds studio gear - very highly rated. Might be fun to play with the R26 to see how it stacks up.
@@oledog8391your 275 makes everything beautiful like seriously 😂
I love the Denafrips Ares II 12th so much in 3/2023 that 3 months later I added the Denafrips Iris 12th and wow!
In 11/2023 I moved the Ares to my 2ndary system and upgraded to the Denafrips Pontus II 12th-1 hooked up to the Iris 12th and wow!
My setup: czcams.com/video/8mxQ2BIjsws/video.html
Thx 👍
what company sells a nice quality DAC with subwoofer outputs? Some of us 2ch guys still prefer subwoofers.
You can use preouts. Choose a DAC that can run two sets of outputs simultaneously. These are normally XLR and RCA 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 This is great news, It's hard to find a streamer/dac with a rca sub out especially when my sub doesn't have hi-pass speaker terminals. "sigh"
Eversolo A6?
You will do just fine with A6, I have both, selling my R26 BTW, there's too much value in all in one.
The A6 is a great all-in-one product but the DAC section is not a good as any of these 3 😊
I have a Topping E30 which retails for £149. It is used solely for TV duties.
Normally this dac is run from a phone charger plug top supply. I have built a high quality linear supply using a Sparkoslabs voltage regulator. This supply sounds vastly superior to the phone charger.
Just for fun I recently took it to a friend's house to compare with his Denafrips Terminator Plus. We used his Denafrips Avatar transport.
I was quite surprised when the E30 didn't completely embarrass itself. Yes the T+ was better with a much more expansive soundstage better bass and a fuller richer tonal balance.
The E30 was almost as detailed and had a smoothly extended top end, not at all coarse. It also possessed great midrange transparency.
Considering the price difference I was mightily impressed with the Topping dac.
Thx for sharing 😊
Have the E30 ii, amazing kid on the block. However, my SU-1 surpasses the E30 ii.
Oh, i do need a better power supply for sure
That VMV seems like the most improved.
I would easily pick SmSl D2R based on that Rohm chip alone. It's a truly special chip. I have older D300 playing now on my Mcintosh system. Amazing for the price.
@@kevtn8Agree...that's what tempts me too! 👍
The D2R is a very good DAC for this price. The human voice is realistic and the sound stage is very good with this DAC (in my system). (Sound color: High OSR + HPC OFF)
I also have a VMV D1SE DAC (first version) but I use it less and less.
@@csszabi8779 Hi, may i know how would d2r's soundstage to be compared to d1se?
@@itt9037 Important:
I could not use the I2S interface of the D1SE. I used the USB and coax inputs.
The D2R DAC works with my PI2AES modul via the I2S interface.
I think the D1SE has good soundstage (wide and deep).
D2R (I2S input)
The soundstage is wider with D2R but the biggest difference is that the soundstage is more precise. The location of the sounds in the space (soundstage) is much more accurate.
Other difference:
The highest frequencies of D1SE are sharper and the lowest frequencies are heavier than D2R.
(But the D1SE is not harsh either. Focal Beryllium never harsh.)
The human voice is more natural with D2R DAC.
(In my system).