How To Easily Get Your Knee Down
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Omg you have something against that cameraman 😂
hahahhaa na
😂
Lol! I thought it was just me
I will always keep this in mind, was trying hard to drag my knee today on my rc390, trying to get more lean but now I remember that the actual reason for body position is to get less lean angle on the bike to be more safe, 😌 after watching so much of cornering bible episodes still a lot to learn, and more practice, love the video. 👌🏻
Yes and keep in mind, knee dragging is a result of proper body position, speed, and lean angle.
Less angle doesn't necessarily mean that you're more safe. It does in a physical sense. But counter steering is easier and quicker in a more "conservative" riding style such as leaning in the corner. But most importantly, in a left bend, your body is next to your Moto nearer to oncoming traffic, which adds to risk. And last but not least, in a scare moment (like dirt on the road, oncoming traffic, etc) your body instinctively wants to mount back on top of the bike because there you feel like you have got more control on the bike. But that in itself puts more stress on the suspension which can be fatal.
Dragging knee on a KTM 690 Duke R myself, I really enjoyed this video, but I think the safety issue is much more complex than "less lean = more safe".
My advice for young riders:
-learn all three cornering styles equally
-drag knee only in long bends where you can see the exit of the corner at all times
-left bends are more dangerous than right bends
-drive through the corner beforehand to see if there gravel/oil/etc.
-only start dragging knee if you already managed to get your rear tire to it's limit using lean style so you know what it feels like to be on the edge. Chalk on the tire can help you quite a bit.
-ATGATT, especially when dragging knee, just as the instructor told! I can't stress this enough, my American friends!
I usually don't comment much on yt videos but I felt like I needed to add this for the sake of everyone's safety, especially young riders. I'm not saying that motojuitsu is wrong, is just think that there's more to that topic.
Just my two cents in the topic
Cheers from Germany
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@@romanreichel4807 what are the 3 types of cornering? can you name them and let me know which videos i need to watch to learn to do them?
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I hadn't ridden a motorcycle for over 10yrs when I bought mine, & videos like this really helped me fill in what I didn't know. Thanks for sharing.
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Wow, I've just watched so many vids, but still no knee dragging. And now watching your simply but clear and logical explaining vid and I've just got my first knee on the ground! 🤘 Thanks a lot!! 👊🏼👍🏼
Benzke 1980 That’s awesome!! Congrats!
Watched this three times over the course of a few months. Every time I learn something new about practicing this.
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Greg, you truly inspire. Thank you for all your videos, bottom of my heart!
You're very welcome!
Great video, Eddie, again! Very helpful and clear instructions, and need-to-know explanation (not too technical, which is great for the laymen, such as I am, who just wanna ride and have fun), both for new riders or seasoned riders who never left their "comfort zone". Ride on!
That's awesome! Thank you so much! Please share with others!
Got my Lee Park's delivered over the pond today Eddie, really eager to try them out following your advices! thanks again for the infos ;)
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if i want to learn something this dude is my GO-TO-GUY!! very detailed and very informative.... when he talk and teach his realy trying to dig into ur mind to understand everything he said! bro u hep us alot! keep it up and make this world a better place. btw, im from philippines.
Instruction look amazing it made me subscribed thnks for the tip.
thanks!
Best tuturial ever brother! Thank you and safe ridings!
yo, his instructions are so clear add straight to the point.
thanks :)
With your instructions i made it from zero to 2 inches left from the pedal to the ground within 1 hour.
Greetings from Germany and thank you for the great instruction.
welcome
This video got me subscribed!! Great work
Thank you Sid R1...check out my other videos!! Many, many more to come too!
FE, I was riding the whole day with the BODY HEAD BIKE, starting only with head, look as far as I could, and I just loved the way I could enter a turn with confidence. Practice, practice, practice.
Awesome, keep at it!
Amazing tutorial. I'm french and I will do what's your explain with my yzfr 125 😁.
Great work. Thanks a lot!
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Awesome tutorial, very detailed!
Thanks 😊
perfect, thanks man. awesome lessons
Glad you like them!
Brilliant! Very specific.
I find it much more fun to lean bike... bike this is how I position when in the wet ..plus i don't give a fudge if my knee touches the tar. Nice one Greg
:)
Great video! Very clear. Thanks and greetings from Argentina.
Glad it was helpful!
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Thanks man!!! More power.
you're welcome!
Thank you for this. Duke 200 user here 😊. Also new subscriber.
Sweet bike :)
Thank you 😊
love this vid!!
Thank you so much for all the great videos. And if I'm understanding it correctly you have to do a little counter steering with smaller bikes to get your knee down easier? Because you mentioned counter steering but you can't really see it in the video.
You won't "see it" because it's so subtle but yes you counter steer
I think you do the best videos about riding technices on youtube
Thanks!
Well im practicing on my yamaha R15 nd i fell because im leaning to much, ill remember your words sir more lean more risk & thank you for guidance to make me more at lean angel nd bike on more towards up ❤
It made me subscribe man,...
Keep up the good work..
Ride Safe.
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For those that are having trouble moving your upper body off watch your wrist. You should always be light on you hands and therefore you should be able to adjust your inside hand to have a grip as if your holding a hanging baseball bat. You should be able to put the bike on a stand, move your body upper and lower and then you should be able to let go of the handle bars and put your hands straight out without moving your body
Dude your tutorials are cool and fun to watch, I will buy bike n try all those
Thanks
Awesome bro nice tutorial/tips
thanks ;)
vid. just perfect, thanks
Glad it helped!
Then fantastic man explanation thank you you are very good.
Love your channel, thank you so much for all your videos. I'm new at this and you have so much awesome info, learn something new everyday 😄.
I follow you on Instagram too😁 you're a Joie de vivres in the motorcycle world.
My question is, does the same principle apply for a knee down on a scooter?
Thanks, keep on keeping on.
Thank you Isabelle! Scooters are very different...but the basic idea is the same.
Other nice video. Thanks Eddie.
Luis Betanzos You’re welcome!!
thanks man
Constantinos Charalambous You’re welcome!
I was trying hard to kneedown on 300cc i was thinking the faster i go the better i ended up with my knee on the group but i fell at 100mph now this is useful vid thanks
you're welcome
You know what song really hits home here?? "Heeeead, shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes."
HAHAHAHA
Hahahah
Need to do it on a fz07! Would be sweet.
I have :)
Excellente!
Thanks!
Tired it on my KTM Rc "Knee down" it feels really weird like the bike is leaning too much and I'm about to fall but in the picture its barely leaning🤣 more practice for me in the parking lot 🤣
Better to practice there and get the hang of it before going to track :)
Its Almost a week and I still can't drag my knee ur making it look too easy hahaha
Going to try it again.....after 2 years still can't drag my knee
@@solorider0078lmao I just came to this video and saw your reply
I Finally did it 🤣
perfect and tank u man
You're welcome
Hi, does the tyres help when practicing knee down. Or any tyres can
New suscriber here. Just saw the video. Take my bike and my credit card too. Big hug from Argentina.
thanks :)
awesome video. I would like to see the right turns being done. I find it a lot harder to set up the grip on the throttle going right. Also, will the rear set height affect the max lean of the bike? Or should that be irrelevant on any bike as far as maximizing lean angle?
I have some of my videos where I'm practicing doing figure 8's...going both directions! No, the rear seat doesn't dictate max lean. It's usually the footpegs or floorboards or something hard, which dictates you're getting close to max lean.
thanks for the reply. And I wish I had found your channel before I started practicing. These tips are money. So many videos with so much more viewers talking about how to get the knee down but no one ever talks about the little things like you've mentioned about lean angle going in and going out. This definitely needs to get out there
Of course! I reply back to anyone who comments. Not many mention the things I do because they don't know!! There are SO many riders who are faster than me or better than me overall; however, not too many can teach. I've been teaching in one form or another for over 15 years :) Thanks for your comment and share with other riders! I hope to slowly change the riding community from reckless to reason.
Where do you get this kind of knee pad? At least here in Germany I never saw something like this, only the typically full leather trousers with knee pads.
www.leeparksdesign.com
Been doing it on my honda 250 superdream
Sweet!
If you ever come to the UK please put me on your training list :)
will do
Yao! you made the life easy...
Lol thanks!
Great
Thanks!
i did it on a 50cc bike thanks a lot !!!
SWEET!
Yep 👍👍good video
Thanks Cor nell!
Hey Eddie, I total understand the reason why not to lean the bike, unless you are in the track
I hardly go to the track and I drive a BMW S1000XR. My question is: could you made a video to show us how to lean the bike more than you often practice in the parking lot?
Thanks Eddie, really hope you answer me!
Hi! One of my next videos will be what I actually do and how I ride on the street talking about body position! Is that what you're asking me for?
Fast Eddie’s Motorcycle Fun mmm... no, my question is: In this video, you explain us that to get the knee down, we do not have to lean a lot the bike, because is safer. You also comment that the way you lean the bike in the track is much different, that you lean all the "chicken strips" with the KTM in the track.
What I want to see is how you lean the bike in the parking lot with the track technique.
Thanks Eddie!
Ohhhhhhh ok, I think I understand now. Well the simple answer is I just go way faster. I don't have a knee dragging in a parking lot technique then have another KTM track riding technique...I do the exact same things but the speeds are 5 times greater. Additionally, at the track, I'm in all my best gear, full leathers, my "track" gloves, etc..it's the safest place to ride....nothing to hit...amazing grip, everyone going the same direction, etc. I have a lot of videos of me at Apex Track here in Southern CA and a video of me at Chuckwalla Raceway...If you watch them, I do the same thing (get my knee down) but there are slight things I do differently that don't have anything to do with body position. For example, my trail braking and throttle are way more aggressive.
Fast Eddie’s Motorcycle Fun I also like to add up to this question that how much lean is safe on the street? I ride a zx6r and I know that there so many factors come into play when leaning like pavement condition, tires. So how much lean is good with knees gripping the tank for road riding? There are no tracks in my city in Canada, so only spots we can lean is either on and off ramps or some country roads.
Omair Khan Not what you want to hear but that’s impossible to say. How fast are you going? Faster you go the more you’ll have to lean just to make it. With proper body position you can lean the bike less. But the idea is to lean as little as possible for any corner.
Watching your tutorial videos helped me do a u turn on gas pumps on gas station if i have to and dont look embarrassed moving back and fort just to do a turn 😂
Hi Greg, you mentioned hanging off can make the bike lean less. I understand that by hanging off, the gravity central shifted to the inside, so leaning less can counter the same amount of centrifugal force as we don’t hang off and lean more.
But I thought when bike is at a certain pace, the turning angle is decided by the lean angle because how big the is the turn is decided by how much distance the inner tire traveled less than the outside tire. I’m a bit confused why leaning less could still make the same angle turn. Is the handlebar also at different angle?
For the same speed & radius yes. If you go faster through the same corner, it must lean more to make it, the idea is body position will make it lean enough to make it, but not excessively. Handlebars don't really matter...and for street riding, body position I hardly use...only time I do full body position knee dragging stuff is at the track or big open parking lots to practice.
Been practicing this, but I can't do it at a slow pace. Reason being when I go slow pace around a parking lot in second gear the bike is too twitchy if I don't use clutch and when I do use clutch my hand is in a weird position and hurts after 10 minutes. When I go fast and I don't have to use clutch it's so much easier to get my knee down. The bike is not so jerky. My favorite is to do it when I get off the freeway that long ramp. Speed is 25 and I drag my knee at 50. But i got pulled over for going 50 off ramp. So that sucks.
英語わからないですが、なんだかわかります。今度challengeしてみます。
Do a video on counter steering ..
sarovar subedi I have! I talked about it on How To Get Your Knee Down: Basics :)
il check it out thanks, also i hv been riding for about a month now and if a left turn comes then i usually push the left handelbar down towrds the ground to steer the bike left ... is this technique correct ?
sarovar subedi Nope! Lol I just made a video explaining counter-steering! Check it out!!
Crap... will do thanks
sarovar subedi You’re welcome!
In this parking lot slarom, do I have to use countersteer to reach the desired lean angle?
Hi Motojitsu, i know that body positioning depends on whether it’s low speed vs high speed turns, but when does it exactly become high speed? Would you say anytime it’s above 20mph you would do the high speed turn body positioning? Thanks!
Anything over 15 mph and thats high speed
I think I'm close to getting my knee down at the track. Unfortunately I've scraped my footpegs a few times (I'm on a Street Triple). Do I need to get my butt off the seat more? Thank you!
Yes you do ..
Best tyres for cornering? (Bajaj Pulsar 200Ns)
All depends on your skill, the bike, etc
Hey Eddie... I know you started on a 1000cc bike and you don't advise it but can you create a video on how to start on one? I'm a new rider like you were starting on a 939cc bike. Tips to help me become a safe and successful rider will be appreciated. Thanks!
Hi, well since you already have it...buy full quality gear, take more courses, and practice. It's the same 3 things I'm hoping everyone who watches my videos and knows about me to do. Those 3 are the keys to a long riding career...
Are you in CA?
Fast Eddie’s Motorcycle Fun, I'm a fan in Texas. 😊 I'm currently looking for a reliable GPS Tracker and alarm for my bike, what would you suggest?
Did you lowered the bike? Because i noticed the bike stand its bent
Nope
Hi Eddie, quick question: can you knee drag even when tires are cold? Many thanks!!
Yes, instantly go to redline and drag knee, preferably in winter time. Good luck!
@@azn_1050 Come on..😀
Sir Eddie your vids helps me a lot even after watching kieth code cornering bible.. i have a favor to ask. Can you do a tankless knee down vid? Thanks and more power 👍👍👍
Of course...no matter what course you take or book you read...there's always more to learn. I've been through 19 courses :) What does tankless knee down video mean?
@@MotoJitsu from where i am there is no courses sir Eddie. So what im doing now is slowly but surely practicing your vids in a safe environment. Im sorry for my term "tankless" i have a underbone bike and my fuel tank is under my seat. So i dnt know or how can i support my whole body doing the knee down cause i dnt have the tank in front of me to rest my other leg. Thanks 👍👍
Gotcha...yes, then there's many books to read and learn from...I have an entire playlist of the top 7 book I recommend reading..including my new book that's on my website motojitsu.com/book. I don't know...send me a picture of what your bike looks like fasteddiemotojitsu@gmail.com
@@MotoJitsu yes i will watch all of your vids sir Eddie because it really helps me to be a better rider. Yes i will send you a pic of my bike.. thanks for the time sir Eddie i really appreciate it 👍👍
Thanks!!
This is how you make a guide!
:)
Please enlighten me on the following. I`m a noobie rider so I expect this to probably not make sense but, why knee down and have your body axis on the inside of the turn, when you can keep your back straight to counter balance the bike and counter steer the bike in the turn. I understand that then the bike is leaned in at an angle and your body is straight acting as a counterwieght - and that the bike being leaned over more makes it less stable (compared to upright) but when is it practical to use one turning style over the other? I just don`t see people knee down almost ever on public roads, so I`m curious as to a. when do people knee down if not on track and b. why do it as opposed to counter steer the bike in an angle while keeping back straight to counter it? THANK YOU for your videos they are amazing btw !
When going fast, getting your body to the inside of the bike...going slow you counterbalance.
Makes total sense, depending on what you mean by fast and slow :)) I ride a duke 390, within speed limits so my "fast" corners are not ever more than 40 miles an hour for now (i`m a noob) I don`t think at these speeds I should be overly concerned with knee downs and such right ? Thanks for your videos btw, you are an phenomental rider man ! awesome stuff !
VickGazaYT there’s no need to knee drag on the street...there is for the track, I made a video explaining all the benefits but you can gain the benefits without sticking your knee out too.
Thanks for the replies and all the best to you :D I hope you gain some traction and do more educational videos, they are fab !
just bought a cbr250r to try a small bike,it's a blast.
nice!
i thought knee dragging is so ..from a normal body position you can gauge the max safely lean angle and not to surpass that? the bike is almost vertical and your dragging you knee.. please correct me if im wrong?
Careful with getting your heel in the rear wheel. I've seen a lot of people in the ER with their heels dangling.
I can’t seem to get that knee down and the tyres have no strips at all. I feel like i am leaning the bike way more than i should, on public roads, with much higher speed than i should (100+ kmh) and still can’t touch the knee. I am doing something wrong for sure.
Hi Fast Eddie...at 2.06 you say push the bike away...is that whilst counter steering round the corner ..I've watched the video twice and maybe I'm missing something. I get the seating position but...if I turn left i'm pulling the handle bars left / pushing right ...so how do I push the bike away or is that within the counter steering as I go round the corner..i may not be explaining myself properly?
Chris Bulle nothing to do with steering, just pushing the bike away from you to get into the body position better :)
Thanks 😁
Maybe a daft question ? But with loose arms and one knee out - how are you holding on? and where is your weight going ?
Anderzander weight on my toes and butt...I’m completely relaxed otherwise. My outside knee is keeping me on but no focus or pressure.
Thank you ! 😊 Fast Eddie’s Motorcycle Fun - I’ll go practice.
A video on body movement and cornering technique when you are street riding would be nice 👍🏻
You say fixed position before the turn, but i see motogp riders lean upper body even more towards the apex can you please explain this? Thank you
It’s not realistic to compare what I’m doing on a street bike in a parking lot to what the best racers in the world are doing on million dollar machines on racetracks going 20 times faster.
Would a MSF lot work ok for this too? There's one 5 minutes from my house. It's 140 feet wide, 200 feet long, something like that. I was thinking of going there at times when the dealership is closed...like Sunday AM lol.
Any clean surface.
Tomorrow or Wednesday i pick up my knew to me 2005 FZ6. I usually spend 8 hours practicing basic safety skills and other skills to get used to the bike. How many hours do do you recommend practicing drag knee and body and lean position during this process?
I don't recommend worry about knee drag or body position much at all until you get really good at many other things first like using the brakes, especially the front.
@@MotoJitsu yessir! But for future reference when im ready?
ask me again in a few years.
@@MotoJitsu it will take me about maybe 3 months before im ready to put a knee down. All my bikes it takes me that long for my confidence to build even after 8 hours of practice with basic skills. on my Suzuki i spend large amounts of time of practice with advanced and basic skills every week on one of my days of. For this reason i only have a motorcycle as my only vehicle. 8 hours every week, with honestly i dont want to but at the same time i dont want to die and i am very ambitious to improve myself. FZ6 is my very first 600 i will own. Thank you man for all the vids you have posted. Your vids have helped me be a better rider. Im still a novice with one year of continuous riding.
@@MotoJitsu 😂 a few years?!?! Okay, ill come back in 5 years from now with a vid to share. Im serious, i will try to get to you skill level. Long waaaaaay to go
When i ll try this i have to do counter steering too? And i have to push left to go left and in the same time to push the bike with right hand in exterior? I m trying to understand sir,i m always watching on your videos and trying,thank you.
Take more courses and practice...when you get into this body position, you don't have to think anything about counter steering, it happens naturally.
@@MotoJitsu okay ,so counter steering its for speed thank you
Hi, I drive a z800e which weights 230, has a pretty high seatheight and has 48 hp...possible with this bike to get my knee down at slow speeds? Thanks for the video anyway!
Bike doesn't matter
Good tutorial. Can you also make a video like this for 150cc like gsx s150? For asians like me?
Bike doesn't matter....all my videos are for any bike.
Where can I buy the knee pads you’re wearing?
motojitsu.com/gear
Hi Sir, are you doing counter steering on this video everytime you turn?
The bike naturally does it...not something you really have to think about, especially with this body position.
So it's just somehow transferring the body weight to where you want to turn? Body orientation is same on your other vids facing the exit.. right sir?
Each corner is different and what I do with my body depends on a lot of variables.
Do you know any spots to practice this in El Cajon?
I do not, sorry.
What about cold vs warm tires? Btw, nice bike!
Not much to say... Warm tires = more grip than cold tires.
Before I do any knee dragging type stuff...the pressure is adjusted, I know the grip of the parking lot is good, and it’s 70+ outside. Warm ground, warm tires, more grip :)
Fast Eddie’s Motorcycle Fun exactly! just wanted to mention that - if other ppl are trying knee down exercises they do the same. warm tires with a proper pressure. Btw what pressure do you recommend/run for these drills?
Peter W I would imagine people who don’t know basic riding skills never to try this until he/she attends a course where they will learn about pressure/temperature, etc. pressure depends on many factors, but each bike has a recommended pressure for that bike. Put your bike at that pressure for 99% of your riding...if at track or doing this type of stuff, drop 2/3 lbs before hand. (Note* always adjust pressure while tires are cold and before you ride).
****Question **** -- at speeds around 25 mph ... Doing all body positioning, leaning but at that speed, shall we also push the handle and continue to do counter steering ?
you always counter steer
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Can you make an italian version?
I can’t
Can you plis add italian subtitles?
None of my videos have any as of now.
Make a video to coach me how to Knee Down on a Honda RS CB1100 please?
What sort of knee pad/strap are you using? Where can I get them?
MotoJitsu.com/gear
Does abs matters while doing cornering and knee down??
No because you're not doing emergency braking while cornering...abs just prevents the bike from skidding if you're about to lock up the wheel, nothing more.
tire width makes diference too
I disagree.
Fast Eddie’s Motorcycle Fun wider tends to lean more for the same turn circle diameter. And for me personaly wider( not 125cc tire) feels lot smoother and more stable when leaning. Fz 06 has 50kg more than mine yzfr125 but it turn much easier with weight transfering. As 1st I always leaned too much on it as i was used to my thick tire bike.
I feel just as stable on my friends Ninja 250 bike with slim tires and my buddies Ducati with a 200 rear.
Hi. What is the point of knee down? I'm trying to understand. I'm a novice rider, been riding for a year in Europe. I understand the shift of the weight in body to balance the more upright position of the motorcycle to counter the centrifugal force but the knee? And scraping it? Is there any reason for it? Cheers
I have many videos explaining the benefits...but even if there were none...it’s fun! That’s reason enough.
@@MotoJitsu ok :) That's a good reason enough. I'm slowly going through your vids, lots of nice info, thanks!
:) You're welcome
Does it matter if your a shorter person? Im only 5'5...I mean wouldnt I need more angle to drag knee?
I'm in the same boat...I have a 09 Daytona and it sits kinda high and I still can't touch knee even when I over exaggerate everything
is there a height requirement to have a successful knee down? Cause I think the shorter you are the more bike makes lean. i am 5"3' anyway.
No.
Any tips for short riders to get their knee down. I’m 5ft 8in and ride a Street Triple RS
Thanks
I’m 5’9”. Practice more
MotoJitsu® what about seating position?
@@Addy_033 re-watch the video, I explain
Hey quick question
How do I add more lean on the motorcycle? Counter steer more ?
If you're going through the same radius turn, if you learn to go faster, the bike must lean more.
gotta carry more speed when cornering
What about scooter leaning, is that posible?
Bike doesn’t matter
is this possible to do with slow speed? like below 15
Yup, I've done it at 12mph.