WinWing FCU - First Look Preview & FULL REVIEW - Tested IN MSFS with the Fenix A320!
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2024
- Today we take a look at the brand new WinWing FCU launching soon, created to replicate the real FCU in an A320. Throughout this video I show you a HANDS ON review, offer my thoughts and compare it against the MiniCockpit MiniFCU as well to help YOU decide which, if any, are worth buying.
This is the FIRST video created showing it being used properly in the sim so I hope you enjoy it!
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Looking for Size and a few other facts? Look no further!
It depends how you mount the bracket. If you have it like I did;
MiniCockpit MiniFCU
18.5 wide x 18cm deep including knobs x 6.5cm high
WinWing FCU
26cm wide x 16cm deep including bracket and knobs and bracket tilt x 11cm high
Got mine yesterday and very impressed with it so far; thanks for telling me I could dial down the brightness, as that was one complaint. It's a bit of work to get it to communicate with MSFS the first time (unplugging peripherals, doing virtual device mapping in their app, restarting MSFS but after that no issues). My only issue is that mine blinks from time to time, not sure what causes it, but sure a firmware will fix it down the road. For $99 USD, it's a steal. Fenix was never no much fun.
Cannot justify MiniFcu cost even if I could get one. Have a few WinWing devices for DCS and they have served me well and fittings have also been solid. As UK customer usually buying from USA the new UK store is god send. Pre-ordered and really looking forward to the whole set being available. Sim app pro takes some getting used to but it’s very useful once you get the hang of it. Thx for the video makes me even happier I pre-ordered.
Great to hear! I've now found myself looking at their DCS products because of this FCU 🫣😂
Awesome! I was a bit skeptical at first, but it looks great, just pre-ordered :D
Awesome, when you get it let me know here how you find it too!
Great video! I’m definitely sold on it now, can’t believe the quality for the price they’re offering it at. If you’d have looked for an FCU a few years back you’d be looking £500 upwards so this is great for the market
Great point, they'd have been really niche 5 years or so and now it's basically a mainstream product!
@@BritishAvgeek yes! I’m all for it, especially if the quality is good. I’m just hoping that we get a nice value Boeing MCP soon, they’re still up at the premium pricing
I‘m still waiting for that too! But one step at a time, all the development in the airbus region is amazing to see, it surely is just a matter of time that someone makes a competitive MCP. With MSFS2024 and the PMDG / Bluebird products in the pipeline I think the demand will definitely be there.
would be nice if they built a similar Boeing MCP…. quality looks beautiful !😮
A Boeing MCP would be awesome 😎
It's a great product ! I've modfied mine using Axis And Ohs...so now it's compatible with CRJ and MD82 :) PMDG 737 next up !
Great bit of kit & review. I feel a few livestream Fenix flights coming up 👍👍
Mines literally turning up tomorrow. Can’t wait!!
Thx for that, looks great. Just pre-ordered also
Enjoy! Hope you get the payment email very soon
Pre ordered before the videos started coming put, super excited to get this.
Hopefully this makes you feel confident you pre-ordered the right stuff then! 🙂
@@BritishAvgeek I prefer full size 😉
Great review fella. Glad I got up at 0200 to preorder now. Can’t wait for the captains EFIS now I’ve seen it in use. So glad I never fired on the minifcu.
Glad you enjoyed the video... Enjoy! Check back in when you get it to let me know how you get on!
Great review. Ordered mine few weeks ago. Finally got shipped. Can't wait to test it and obviously looking forward to get the full setup (fcu,efis,etc.)
I've been reliably informed the EFIS will follow shortly after this is released so won't have to wait too long hopefully!
how did they charge you for it? I put my pre-order for it and still haven't been asked to pay
@@danielpena-un8vl you should get an email requesting payment when your order in the queue comes up
Ordered yesterday after getting the email, cant wait to get my hands on it!
Niceeee! Exciting!
Thanks Luke, a really descriptive review. I know they're doing the EFIS panels aswell, but I hope they do a full set of hardware for the Airbus. I just like the fact that it's full size and the quality hasn't been compromised.
It's coming along well and I'm told the EFIS is not too far away!
Pre ordered, cannot wait 🙂
Enjoy! Keep your eye out for the payment request email when they're ready to dispatch your order
Ordered on the waiting list
Pre ordered, great review
Appreciate it 🙂 enjoy using it when it arrives!
You can dial in the brightness and backlight of the unit ingame with the proper dials of the airbus. So no need to do this in the software. Pretty nice feature.
Neat!
Thanks Luke….just pre-ordered mine too!
Let me know how you get on with it when you get it! 🙌🙌
@@BritishAvgeekwill do mate 🙂 Free shipping too…at just over £100 its a steal lol 👍🏼 I ordered through the link in your description….hope you get a small kickback from the purchase matey.
@@Cookie2k appreciate it... The link is just a genuine normal link, absolutely no affiliation or commission etc. 🙂
@@BritishAvgeekoh thats a shame mate. Was hoping you’d get something…you deserve it!
@@Cookie2k all good - I never ask for that sort of stuff anyway. If it's offered, I consider it but only if it still allows me to be 100% unbiased and honest in my thoughts
Pre-Ordered mine few weeks ago too, awaiting email for instructions how I can pay for it. You have put my mind at rest with the build quality, looks great.
Great to hear, keep an eye for your email and enjoy it when it arrives!
@@BritishAvgeek Ordered mine the day it was announced, still don' t have it, thanks for your nice review though...
It's definitely nice to have options which brings down the prices. Numerous companies making Airbus components and the prices definitely vary. I'm happy with the MiniFCU so far (and thankfully being in the US, I didn't have to deal with any additional customs fees).
Awesome video, props mate. Good to see a video of it already working properly with the fenix. How did you manage to get it to work already without any drivers available in the website?
I spoke with them over a few days as mentioned in the video dealing with their customer service to get a driver sent especially so I could do this as a proper review and show to working. They sent me a special beta version of the driver which will be ready on release 🙂
@@BritishAvgeek I just saw this now. So, for pre-orders, we have to ask for drivers?!?
Thanks for the preview. It is very tempting! I think we need them to do a 737/747/777 unit
That'll be cool
Luke, excellent review, looks responsive and impressive. I see the driver for Windoze is available, even updates?! Was the installation fault-free, or were there any "gotchas" to veware of?
Nope once I got the driver sent especially to me for the video it installed itself in the app and restarted. Then I booted the sim and bingo
Order placed ! $169.91 Australian, free delivery :)
Oredered 2 week's ago. I'm sure I will love it!
Keep an eye out on that payment order! 🙌
@@BritishAvgeekI'm doing it everyday 😅
FCU is great ! I’ve customized it for CRJ, all the NAV mode works…use knobs just as in A320 👍 Most importantly, HDG sync with a touch of a button…no more right and left click with the mouse :)
Oh nice, how?
@@BritishAvgeek By using Axis And Ohs ! First of all, you don't start SimAppPro...because that will only prevent the FCU to be available for other aircrafts it's compatible with. I turned the LCD screen off in the settings of SimAppPro...those characters not needed. Then I restarted computer and didn't start SimAppPro. I'm totally new to AAO, once you get hang of it..not really hard. On CRJ, the panel is called FCP...my config almost complete :) I've got all the NAV modes programmed, Speed, HDG, Altitude + VS...it's all there ! APR as well plus switch display Mach Knots Once happy after test flying CRJ, I'm going to configure for MD82/83/88 and after that PMDG 737 series
@@BritishAvgeek By NOT running SimAppPro and configuring buttons and knobs using Axis And Ohs. If SimAppPro runs, it will turn off the FCU for unsupported aircrafts. I used the app for turning LED background lights to OFF, restarted computer so application won't run. I'll test fly today...if all good and working as expected, continue with MD82 and 737...happy days, as you say :)
I can’t wait, mine is on order and I’m hoping I am in the May dispatch, but. Nothing heard yet…
There's a backlog from what I understand so keep monitoring your emails
Great review mate, just waiting on my email....lol.
Hopefully won't have to wait too long mate!
Pre-ordered the moment it became available, winwing is well known among figter simulator like DCS and BMS it wil be my first winwing product, but I know their quality will be good and if something is wrong with it their customer service is one of the best there is
Looks really good. I'm glad I ordered. Is there no way to make the numbers on the screen on the whiter side though? I thought some Airbus's had a lighter color now.
Yeah the MiniCockpit display is a bit "whiter" but perhaps that is accurate to the more modern A320s? Haven't played about enough yet to change any other settings but couldn't see a colour option in simapppro
cannot get it to work with MSFS, got the buttons to work once but not displays maybe a set up video how you did it ? thanks
Hey, I was wondering if I could get any help on a different aircraft. The CRJ in MSFS is giving me problems as I cannot set my selected altitude higher than 5000. Been looking around and I couldn't find an answer. Thanks!
Very informative video, can you recommend a usb hub because running out of slots?
Thanks! I need a USB hub too, I only have one usb slot left 😬😬😂
Thanks for the video! I just recieved mine, downloading driver at 30 kb per second, I am in Thailand. I assume you plug in to USB port on back of FCU, not power?
I just ordered two days ago, can you tell me how long it will take to receive the product? I live in Thailand and how much is the total price? When I ordered, the total price was 129.95$.
Thank you for this review! I bought it, but haven't received it yet. On the other hand, I regret my purchase of the TOBII head tracking (which you also have), because there is no keyboard key to freeze the movement of my head on the filghtdeck buttons I want to adjust (all the reset keys return to the pilot view). Totally unusable for cockpit operations!
Great to hear you enjoyed the review 🙂 re: the Tobii eye tracker... I need to tweak it a little more too as you say it always re-centres which personally I like but the head movement is still a little jittery for me
Once I saw the price I wrote off even considering the MiniFCU, wouldn't even care if this was 'slightly more cheaply made' but looks like it's pretty comparable anyway!
The full size makes this much easier, for me, to deal with the knobs and buttons too as they aren't all tightly packed into a smaller unit by comparison
Great review, thanks! What do you think of the LCD displays? One reviewer said that it’s too orange compared to the real unit or that of the miniFCU.
It probably is but hey. For the price and size it’s a win
@@ronaldjames true that!
Yeah compared the miniFCU the WinWing FCU looks to be a little more on the older style of A320. There's seemingly no way to change the colour of the LCD displays but to be honest at £100-£150 less I can quite happily not be too bothered about that 😅
are you using Rudder pedals on your sim? if so which ones do you use, as i would like to try and master the Airbus but have a hard time doing so as i can't seem to control it on the ground
Yep! Got the cheapest ones on the market, the T Flight HOTAS rudder pedals from Thrustmaster.
I've set the sensitivity as per the Fenix recommendations for the Fenix A320.
WinWing make some nice looking rudder pedals on their website too but haven't tried them
just had a quick look at the they do look very nice, i was thinking about going to the Velocity One Rudder Pedals, as i said i would really like to master or at least become more comfortable with the A320 but taxing and even more so trying to go down the runway is very difficult trying to keep it in a straight line
How did you set-up the unit to work with MSFS? MSFS will recognize the unit but, nothing is mapped.
I ordered this the very same day it was announced. You have it, I don't, as usual, I always seem to be the last to have preordered products....
Did you check emails for your payment info link? I didn't pre-order this but was sent a specific review unit to use to show everyone hence why "I got it first"
@@BritishAvgeek Thanks, I talked to customer service, unfortunately my order is not ready, though many others have theirs already. And I was sure, that you got a review sample. Hopefully will have it soon, since I did not want the "Mini" version
@@Henri2492 hopefully you won't need to wait much longer, it's been a highly popular product so they're working through the pre order lists they have
@@BritishAvgeek Thanks, and thank you very much again for your nice review. I am a long term subscriber and always look forward to your reviews, spend a lot of many based on your recommendations 😂
I really hope this can also be programmed via SpadNext, otherwise I will keep using my minifcu as I can use it with any plane. I am also curious on what it means between data and streaming modes?
That would be great... Though I really struggle to understand and use spadnext personally 🫣 and the data/streaming modes I'm not 100% sure what it means yet
Hi mate, Do you know the weight of the Winwing Fcu? Coming from the logitech panels which have served me well but there real cheap lightweight plastic ;( If this has weight behind it its a done deal. though I did see you move it easily by mistake in the video when you mentioned you broke the sticky pads ;)
The sticky pads are surprisingly sticky so had to yank it off them to show the back 😂 it's lightweight but feels sturdy if that makes sense. I haven't put it on any scales though!
0.5 kg is the weight. On their website there is manual pdf you can download which gives weight and dimensions.
Thank you for taking your time to use it before posting a video.
Hope it was good to see it in action properly! 😎
What are the actual dimensions when fully assembled? The pdf I referred someone else to is actually quite vague.
It depends how you mount the bracket. If you have it like I did;
MiniCockpit MiniFCU
18.5 wide x 18cm deep including knobs x 6.5cm high
WinWing FCU
26cm wide x 14.5cm deep including bracket and knobs x 11cm high
Literally just measured them for this comment so hope it helps!
@@BritishAvgeek Nice thanks. I'm guessing the 14.5cm is also down to the slight tilt it's set up at.
@@Vinny86100 ah make it 16cm then including the tilt
My miniFCU was only £216, just to clarify the price as you said it would be near £300. Ordered mine before this one was announced.
Yeah there's the main price on the website which includes shipping but for some people they've had to pay "hefty" import tax etc pushing the real terms price higher
@@BritishAvgeek ah ok I see. It was delivered today (while I’m away visiting parents) so I look forward to trying it over the weekend
It's still double the price in Australia for an inferior unit that's not even full size
All I’m looking is the revIt jacket on the back! 😂 what do you ride mate
😂 had to get my biker gear in!! I've got a Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro 😎 love it
Thanks for the detailed review. This may be a silly question but would it work with the PMDG? With no Boeing FCU currently available, I might have to use it for both planes if it works
yes it does I personally work with the Chinese government and we get all products sent to us before they are sent to the USA and can confirm that it works on the pmdg 777300er
Hi DukeDanGaming! Glad you liked the review 🙂 I haven't yet had time to test on any other aircraft other than the ones they said works officially. I'm hoping I can get it working on other aircraft but I'll update with a video if I get it working elsewhere!
@@BritishAvgeek Sounds good! Appreciate the reply!
There's a Korean preview vid where the guy has it working with the pmdg 737
@@HA-hp6ui no idea 😂 I'll take a look - though, remember - it OFFICIALLY only supports FBW A32NX, Fenix A320 and the default A320 for what it's worth
did you have to download separate drivers or software to make it work?
The WinWing SimAppPro as shown in the video needs to be installed
How did you get your simwimg FCU working? I received it and downloaded simapp pro but I can't get it acually working with the simulator
check your antivirus as it may be blocking parts of the program
do you when they're going to start shipping pre-orders?
Depends where you are on the list/order of customers - some have already began receiving there's 🙂 hopefully won't be waiting much longer
Does adjusting the backlight and brightness inside the simulator would also adjust the physical FCU's brightness?
Yes it does. The latest update enabled that feature
Yep!
@@BritishAvgeek @ronaldjames thats great to know. I am so excited to receive mine. Thank you!
Guys I'm having problems of it being seen in sim app pro but not in msfs, can someone help me?
Any idea if there will be compatibility for Boeing aircraft? I know it’s less than ideal, but would love to have a single solution for all my airliners.
It is. There are videos already of people using this with Boeing. In MSFS you just need to map the unit to the controls.
Personally I'm not sure as I haven't had time to check and fiddle with it in other aircraft but if I do, I'll make another video
Did the driver automatically configure the winwimg to work with msfs?
I managed to get hold of the test version of the driver which is being pushed out imminently ready for release so I could get it working for the purpose of this review 🙂 it's plug and play as they said with the SimAppPro program and it auto detected the aircraft when I had loaded in
Can this unit be mounted on top of the Honeycomb Bravo?
If you stick it on with double sided 3m tape like I will, yeah!
With the upcoming A380 by FBW will this FCU be suitable as well?
Hopefully!! No reason to believe it won't work but until it's coming nobody actually knows
@@BritishAvgeek Just might take the plunge...thank you for a succinct review with just the right amount of info for us to make a buying decision.
It would be cool if they made the fcu light controls in the sim able to adjust the background/integrated lighting on the fcu
That would be pretty neat 😂
It will be supported. It says on the website.
@@zephirusvideos oh really? That’s great to hear
@@soarandskor.aviation everything is synchronized
How did you mount it? I received mine today but after mounting the brackets, the unit won't hold the angle. Always fall forward.
I mounted it using the outermost screws with the brackets going out behind the unit as shown in the video sort of - and 2 sticky pads under the bracket to hold it in situ, sits really well and hasn't budged since
@@BritishAvgeek Only with sticky padas. I put the brackets on the side and like this it holds on the desk without any other support. Anyways, this is done to be "sticked" to something, I think there is no other way. Thank you!
Btw, in SimAppPro, everything works fine but inside the simulator, nothing happens. In the Environment Checks of the SimAppPro, everything is green. I don't have any drivers because they are not available. Am I missing something here? Do I need the drivers? How can I get them?
Forget it! Is working flawless. This is simply amazing and no drivers at all :)
Does anyone know if it is compatible with XP 12. I can't seem to find any info weather it is or not.
To be honest I don't know but I'd assume not as the software specifically seeks MSFS.
If xplane supports Axis and Ohs though it might work as lots have connected various aircraft using that
Are you able to make a video on how to connect it to the sim? I received the product a few hours ago and have been trying to set it up but no luck. It's very frustrating.
Are you in my discord? I'll try help there if you are
@@BritishAvgeek yes I am!
How did you get to the install to work i thought they didn’t have a file published yet
I got an early beta version of the driver prior to release. A few of us got them shipped out early for reviews etc but I waited 2 days to get the driver sent before putting it to a proper test
slightly better engineered is an understatement lol
I personally don't have a problem with Minicockpit miniFCU, just got it a few days ago, and it is very good, but if winwing can come out with the complete setup quicker than Minicockpit them I will get the winwing set up.
@@andy70d35 they're both good but the connectors on the WinWing look/feel much better and give me a bit more confidence about them clipping together safely without breaking.
@@BritishAvgeek the connector on the WinWing is a standard SATA connector (more commonly used as the data connector between HDD and motherboards - before we started using M2 drives), also found on the TCA Airbus quadrant to connect the additional levers. I guess the miniFCU is just a custom pin and plug setup.
Will it be usable with other aircraft?? i.e set it up to use with SpadNext etc?
Good question, at this point Neil I'm not sure tbh and personally I find spadnext very confusing and hard to use 😂
In MSFS, yes, you can use with any aircraft
I pre-order back on March 27th. Are people getting them already? I haven't got the email to yet to pay for it. Can someone confirm?
Can you comment on how the AP1, AP2 , A/THR etc buttons feel versus the minifcu? Thats my one issue with the Minifcu. Those buttons feel cheap and clilcky versus the real FCU.
They feel the same to be honest and just as clicky (I just ran back to the rig to press a few more times...) though perhaps the larger scale of the WinWing makes them feel a bit better to use but there's not much in it imo
@@BritishAvgeek thank you!
i got mine yesterday but can't seem to set it up anyone knows where i can find help to help me?
Have you downloaded SimAppPro and got Version 1.13.0beta minimum? It should let you also update the firmware for the unit as well within the program and it needs to run in Admin mode.
Do this before launching the sim, then boot it up and it should work
Maybe I will get it, not sure yet..
What's great is we have the choice of a few product options now at very different price points 🫡
Mine was just shipped by FedEx
Oooh exciting!!!! It took a week to reach the UK for me
@@BritishAvgeek Hello, is everything ok?
Could you help me answer a question, please, I live in France and I ordered mine on their website, but the purchase option doesn't appear and I don't know where to pay, or I have to wait for them to open this payment option ?
@@SpaceTechAviation it's a pre-order so you need to wait for an email asking for payment soon 🙂
@@BritishAvgeek Thank you very much for your response, you are very kind, I am waiting for their email so far they have not sent it to me to make the payment, I will wait longer.
I can’t wait for this
Mine is on pre order - slightly jealous the you tubers have got their hands on it🤣
I believe the msfs drivers have not been released?
The MSFS drivers haven't been released yet no... But I managed to work on getting them over the last 2 days to bring you this video 🙌😎
10:15 Luke talks about having been in constant contact with the customer support and was using the very latest pre release driver, that as shown by the video, does support MSFS :D
@@BritishAvgeek absolute star - not sure if you have done already but if not would you have any plans to do a vid for your sim setup ? Also curious to know why you use the honeycomb bravo as opposed to the TM TCA captain throttle?
@@subllimecantona I prefer the Honeycomb Bravo as it's a much more premium feeling product but tbh avoid Honeycomb now, there is some real dodgy stuff going on with that company now sadly so can no longer say confidently they're worth your money.
@@BritishAvgeek yeh I’ve got them both Alpha and bravo and love it but as I’m trying to fly the fenix (learning) I’m really considering the TM TCA Captain pack- it just mirrors the real thing and will go nicely with FCU when it arrives.. 😎
Really looking forward to this product. Pre ordered it on day one. Really hope I have money in my account when it comes to paying for it 😂 (jk)
Enjoy it when it comes, I have both this and the miniFCU as compared in the video and tbh I much prefer this WinWing. The positioning and size of the knobs are much more natural and easier to use, and it's a LOT cheaper!
@@BritishAvgeek 100%. I am blessed to be in the cockpit of new airliners everyday such a350, A330 so it will be good to see how it feels compared to real thing.
Thanks. What are the dimensions please?
It depends how you mount the bracket. If you have it like I did;
MiniCockpit MiniFCU
18.5 wide x 18cm deep including knobs x 6.5cm high
WinWing FCU
26cm wide x 16cm deep including bracket and knobs and tilt x 11cm high
Thanks
Do we know when they may release?
Later April, begin of May
They already date starting to ship
Some have already began shipping with a couple of people receiving theirs today onwards 😎
@@BritishAvgeek but only for reviewers. For the "normal" client, only end of month, or early May.
Someone needs to make stuff for boeing asap 😅
Absolutely would be cool!
I wonder why they don't?
PMDG problem?
If only they’d make something like this for a boeing.
Fingers crossed someone does, it'll be great to have something this affordable work for Boeing aircraft!
is it xbox compatible?
It's the end for the mini.
I don’t think so. But they’d have to lower that price
They'll have the opportunity to revisit their own product and consider not only pricing but e.g. the poor quality connectors in the miniFCU by comparison so it'll be interesting to see what happens with that.
@@BritishAvgeek and don't you think people will be pissed if they lower the price? Like me? Nothing says FU like price gouging.
At this rate I will need to purchase a USB Bus.
😂😂 I was thinking the same today!
Already bought the usb hub :D
hope winwing build a tiller
Ooooh that would be epic!
Cat3design makes a great tiller for the airbus. I’ve had mine for almost 2 years and never had any issues with it.
@@zk9058 unfortunately cat3design are on a production pause
shoot.. i already bought the other one for $260
Ooft 😅 the MiniCockpit miniFCU is very good too but this one wins hands down, especially when the WinWing EFIS isn't too far away either 😎
Can't even order it ,it says my address and postcode are wrong which obviously they ain't??😡😡
Not sure what to suggest there with that 😬
Usually it’ll give a correction I got that ask well but the suggested address that pops up use that
Sorry, I don’t get it… when I can have the same controls with a mouse.
They're increasingly popular and people want to enhance their immersion with tactile feel of stuff similar to the real thing - no different to use getting a Boeing TCA with "pendular balance" or whatever marketing thing they call it 😂
Sorry, was this an ad, or an independent review?
It's an independent review, no payment, no commission links, no affiliate links just my honest opinion and comparison.
If you're new to the channel, welcome! We only do honest thoughts here and no clickbait nonsense either 😎
Beware of the quality of winwing. Internals are crap and prone to breaking down
I know of quite a few who use their hardware for DCS and praise the quality of their hotas and throttle kits etc... and this FCU is a great bit of kit. Sure, yank a knob it might break but that's physics... Normal use wouldn't get close to breaking it
^this. I’ve owned their hardware for DCS since their inception. Zero issues. Great review Luke, many thanks mate 👍
Does it only work with Fenix? How about Fbw, latin vfr+headwind mod? Thanks
@@kelvinTran55 I mentioned in the video before takeoff it works with the Fenix A320, FBW A32NX and default A320 and will do on release
I have both Virpil and WinWing devices for DCS for many many years all the units of both companies work perfectly. I carnt speak for new items but existing ones have been great. My Maine Coon cat (monster) ripped some rubber buttons off one of my WinWing display units but was easily fixed and works great. If it survives my cat it’s strong 😾