A comparison between two Tama Snares: 1986 Bell Brass Mastercraft BB156 and a 1996 Bell brass PL565. Corso accordatura disponibile qui: shop.yourdrumsound.com
ENG There's for sure something going on even on the sizzling and open tone in the Mastercraft, while the 90s snare is more "muted" and "centered" on that side. ITA Inoltre sul Mastercraft c'è sicuramente qualcosa di diverso riguardo l'apertura sul suono più una sorta di "tintinnio" (udibile soprattutto senza cordiera) mentre quello degli anni 90 è più "muto" e centrato su quel versante.
I own the 96 version. Identical shells in every way besides age, which I'm not sure makes a difference. The objective difference is the hoops. The Mastercraft hoops are different than other diecast hoops and there's where you get the slightly warmer, more body in the tone.
There’s no ringing tone if the shell. That’s not how drums work. What we hear is the heads vibrating and nothing more. The shell has an influence on which frequencies are muted to not muted. However there are no “shell vibrations” that we hear.
very good job, indeed! i can only add, that since i have both reissued and original late 70-s ludwig black beauty snares, the difference in these tama snares is of the same nature: the older one is definitely more bodied, has more precence in the mid range(esp in the low mids) and, which is also very important, is more clean, and doesnt have those unnecessary overtones, which may be quite annoying and difficult to avoid during recording session. again, the differnce is very similar here, as with new and original BBs. and it is all in favour for the originals!
Hi, thanks! I’ve tried to record a fair comparison as always, but the more I do these kind of things the I realize that a YT video won’t make justice to the drums. To really understand all the differences you have to play both yourself for a few days, then you understand all the differences and nuances. Just like you did...
@@yourdrumsound well what can i say...i wish i could find 80-s tama superstar bell brass. but it seems it is easier to find Large Hadron Collider nowdays)
Great comparison, as always! I think if you’re that accurate in a comparison video, it can really demystify certain assumptions about snare drum sounds or where they come from. Heads/tuning, hoops, choice of sticks and the player have the biggest impact on the general sound of a drum. Not necessarily the shell material. Another thing to consider here is the fact that the Mastercraft BB snare has probably seen a lot more action (10 years worth of playing) than the 1996 model. As with cymbals, this snare has been vibrating and producing sounds for a longer period of time and thus „aged“. It most likely sounds different than when it was brand new. Apart from that: Did Tama use the exact same recipe and construction method (cast vs. rolled) for both of these drums. Are the bearing edges and snare beds the same? Again: Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this comparison!
Flo Thanks! Tama uses the same edges and the shells are both cast. Someone says that from the 90s on shells were forged, but only the man ho made shells for Tama knows those infos. I agree with you about the aging, but in my opinion the hardware play an important role. I’ve noticed that with Ludwig, using a new shell with vintage hardware (video here on my channel). The sound was different! Of course we’re talking about nuances, but those are real, and the feeling (which is as important as sound to me) was different. Dave
Flo Core Actually the difference would be Sand Cast vs Roto Cast. The 80’s BB shells were sand cast which produces the more mellow tone with the low end emphasis. However drum shells don’t resonate the way a cymbal does and are not the source of the sound the way a cymbal is. The sound from a drum comes from the heads. A drum shell is simply a carrier for the heads. While a drum shell does have resonant qualities they aren’t used the way a cowbell or cymbal is directly hit resulting in the sound our ears hear.
@@betulaobscura No it's real. I've made my own sand cast bronze parts and compared them to extruded bar stock and there are visible differences when it's cut. The sand cast parts have pockets like bread. I’ll try a sand cast shell next once I build the necessary setup and make a shell mold. With that said I just aquired a brand new Gretsch Bell Brass snare and while it's roto cast it is one DAMN FINE sounding drum. It's good enough to considerably thin out my collection. I'll probably save $1000's by owning this snare.
it strange that TAMA sold a snare called "brass" with no bras in it, thats a more interesting mystery than anything. Did they think nobody knows what bronze is so lets sell it as brass and people know that? And lets add Bell so it sound fancied that just a normal brass snare?
Il primo ha un suono un po' più caldo- Diciamo che andrei sul primo ad occhi chiusi, e magari per cose più heavy ci metterei i bell brass hoops su- Cmq tutti e due (3) fantastici, poca differenza.
All words and metaphors are subjective. They try to describe reality, like all words, in the most precise way. But they only talk about reality. If you know how to understand it you are able to communicate. All human beings try to communicate somehow. Words like "mellow", "warm" or "dry" are used among drummers and musicians for centuries, I suppose. These words are related with nature phenomenons and physics. That's why become good metaphors to describe sound. I don't know if you are drummer. If so, you shouldn't be surprised about "warm sounding drum".
ENG There's for sure something going on even on the sizzling and open tone in the Mastercraft, while the 90s snare is more "muted" and "centered" on that side.
ITA Inoltre sul Mastercraft c'è sicuramente qualcosa di diverso riguardo l'apertura sul suono più una sorta di "tintinnio" (udibile soprattutto senza cordiera) mentre quello degli anni 90 è più "muto" e centrato su quel versante.
A mio parere il mastercraft ha un suono più scuro rispetto al modello anni 90
Probably the best Tama "bell brass" snares comparison on the entire Internet! Thank you!
Thank you for the comparisons. They both sound great to me.
Both sound great but I heard what you heard. I prefer the 86 for the bit of extra warmth and body. Still they are very close and both nice!
Mi piacciono questi tuoi video; molto buona!
I own the 96 version. Identical shells in every way besides age, which I'm not sure makes a difference. The objective difference is the hoops. The Mastercraft hoops are different than other diecast hoops and there's where you get the slightly warmer, more body in the tone.
Great video!!!
I personally liked the Mastercraft the best. Warm, great snare wire response and beautiful ringing tone of the shell
There’s no ringing tone if the shell. That’s not how drums work. What we hear is the heads vibrating and nothing more. The shell has an influence on which frequencies are muted to not muted. However there are no “shell vibrations” that we hear.
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Great Sound!!!!
I came to watch the video again. I'm still looking for tama bell brass snare drum! I'll show it off when I get it :)
very good job, indeed! i can only add, that since i have both reissued and original late 70-s ludwig black beauty snares, the difference in these tama snares is of the same nature: the older one is definitely more bodied, has more precence in the mid range(esp in the low mids) and, which is also very important, is more clean, and doesnt have those unnecessary overtones, which may be quite annoying and difficult to avoid during recording session. again, the differnce is very similar here, as with new and original BBs. and it is all in favour for the originals!
Hi, thanks! I’ve tried to record a fair comparison as always, but the more I do these kind of things the I realize that a YT video won’t make justice to the drums. To really understand all the differences you have to play both yourself for a few days, then you understand all the differences and nuances. Just like you did...
@@yourdrumsound well what can i say...i wish i could find 80-s tama superstar bell brass. but it seems it is easier to find Large Hadron Collider nowdays)
Great comparison, as always! I think if you’re that accurate in a comparison video, it can really demystify certain assumptions about snare drum sounds or where they come from. Heads/tuning, hoops, choice of sticks and the player have the biggest impact on the general sound of a drum. Not necessarily the shell material.
Another thing to consider here is the fact that the Mastercraft BB snare has probably seen a lot more action (10 years worth of playing) than the 1996 model. As with cymbals, this snare has been vibrating and producing sounds for a longer period of time and thus „aged“. It most likely sounds different than when it was brand new.
Apart from that: Did Tama use the exact same recipe and construction method (cast vs. rolled) for both of these drums. Are the bearing edges and snare beds the same?
Again: Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this comparison!
I meant „cast vs. forged“.
Flo Thanks! Tama uses the same edges and the shells are both cast. Someone says that from the 90s on shells were forged, but only the man ho made shells for Tama knows those infos.
I agree with you about the aging, but in my opinion the hardware play an important role. I’ve noticed that with Ludwig, using a new shell with vintage hardware (video here on my channel). The sound was different! Of course we’re talking about nuances, but those are real, and the feeling (which is as important as sound to me) was different.
Dave
Flo Core Actually the difference would be Sand Cast vs Roto Cast. The 80’s BB shells were sand cast which produces the more mellow tone with the low end emphasis. However drum shells don’t resonate the way a cymbal does and are not the source of the sound the way a cymbal is. The sound from a drum comes from the heads. A drum shell is simply a carrier for the heads. While a drum shell does have resonant qualities they aren’t used the way a cowbell or cymbal is directly hit resulting in the sound our ears hear.
@@Assimilator702 Are informations about sand cast vs. roto cast real? Or just urban legends?
@@betulaobscura No it's real. I've made my own sand cast bronze parts and compared them to extruded bar stock and there are visible differences when it's cut. The sand cast parts have pockets like bread. I’ll try a sand cast shell next once I build the necessary setup and make a shell mold. With that said I just aquired a brand new Gretsch Bell Brass snare and while it's roto cast it is one DAMN FINE sounding drum. It's good enough to considerably thin out my collection. I'll probably save $1000's by owning this snare.
Hmmm... No such thing as 'bell brass' - those are all Bronze. Bell Bronze snares, and they sound killer, great video!
it strange that TAMA sold a snare called "brass" with no bras in it, thats a more interesting mystery than anything. Did they think nobody knows what bronze is so lets sell it as brass and people know that? And lets add Bell so it sound fancied that just a normal brass snare?
cool dude. hope you are well in Bella Italia!!
Nicholas Sonners all good here! Hope you’re safe as well!
Your Drum Sound Glad!! Yeah I am safe too. Thanks. Yeah Cool Snare collection you got there.
I prefer the first one but I like what the hell brass hoops did to the last one. I would use the first she'll with the bell brass hoops
came for the snare stayed for the awesome kick sound haha, kidding.. bell brass hoops on 86 for me
Merci beaucoup! where can we by the PL565??
I believe!
Il primo ha un suono un po' più caldo-
Diciamo che andrei sul primo ad occhi chiusi, e magari per cose più heavy ci metterei i bell brass hoops su-
Cmq tutti e due (3) fantastici, poca differenza.
yip the bell brass hoops gave more weight, better for a heavy mix for sure, weight equals energy, or density in recording it will cut
can be downloaded in wav?
The latest one sounds like the old one on a leash
La differenza si nota ad una accordatura più alta secondo me
Warm; mellow. Now that’s objective.
“Warm” must be the most over used and subjective adjective when you’re not talking about temperature.
All words and metaphors are subjective. They try to describe reality, like all words, in the most precise way. But they only talk about reality. If you know how to understand it you are able to communicate. All human beings try to communicate somehow. Words like "mellow", "warm" or "dry" are used among drummers and musicians for centuries, I suppose. These words are related with nature phenomenons and physics. That's why become good metaphors to describe sound. I don't know if you are drummer. If so, you shouldn't be surprised about "warm sounding drum".
Ma in italiano no??