I like Ma Lin's unpredictable strategies, rapid block, and beautiful backhand topspin, but I love Ryu Seung Min's Stylish both sides powerful and fantastic play more. 4 vs 1, Ma Lin should be feeling down for months. No matter who won, penholders never die...
RSM...the pride of South Korea! Since he retired, it is sad to see no one who is able to replace him in the J-Pen style. Table Tennis became a bit boring after seeing majority of the Players using handshake style. The game needs more J-Pen players in the top 10 to make it more exciting!
@@matahati6556 I disagree! Can we recall the last 2 JPenholders WTTC Single Champions? Kohno and Ono won the 1977 and 1979 WTTC Single. Ono did not last long but he was certainly the best player for at least 2 years. Kohno was consistently great for at least 10 years. Kohno retired after 1977. Do you know after 1989, the penholders were slaughtered by the Swedish and the Chinese national coaches said that to counter the Swedish players, a penholder must have the skills of the Great Kohno. Too bad, we have not seen a JPenholder who can match the skills and mental toughness of the 1977 World Champion.
Good for them, because sporting games always have the potential for stunning upsets, and that's what makes them interesting for us. Some people thought Ryu was lucky to win in Athens, but I don't think it was merely that. He was red hot going into the tournament. Want proof? Look up some videos from US Open of the same year, which took place only a few months earlier. He was moving like lightening with forehand power top spins that were simply like hammer-punching.
@@jankay8569 You know what? Sometimes, not saying anything and keeping silent prevents you from revealing the lack of knowledge or even intelligence. It looks like you're referring to the current pathetic US Open that's essentially a village party for the US players and some third-tier international players. But back in 2004, US Open was still an official ITTF Pro Tour event that attracted all the top players from the world, including the Chinese National Team members. They were regularly participating in it prior to 2004, but they have allegedly decided not to in order to not reveal their tactics with only a few months remaining until the Olympic Games. Ryu won that event by beating Chuan Chi-Yuan of Chinese Taipei, but more importantly, he raised his world ranking to #4 to attain a very advantageous seeding in the Olympic Games, and the rest is history.
not only that... Wang Hao defeat against Ryu gaved the chinese one of the most highest motivation to improve. Liu Guoliang is still keeping that defeat as one of his mayor motivations.
Reu is one of the best penholders of all times, I'd like to see the match between him and Xu Xin but unfortunately they are from different times... (((
This particular performance by Ryu shows that his winning the Gold Medal in 2004 Athens Olympic Games was not a fluke. The guy moves like a lightening in this game, and even though his lifetime record against the top Chinese players is pretty lopsided, when he was in top shape, he could play with the best of them in his prime time. Obviously, he peaked at the right time in 2004 to grab the Gold. However, his knee injury has slowed him down considerably shortly after that. What a shame...
Waldner did the work for Ryu. Waldner defeated the favorite Ma Lin. Ryu would not have much a chance against Ma Lin. If you don't believe me, look up the h/h between Ma Lin and Ryu. Of course, Waldner did not do too good against Ma either but Waldner found a way to win on that particular day. It was very hard to beat Ma Lin in his prime.
Surely not. Neither of them hold positive record with Chinese penholders in the same period. Ryu for example, this match is his 1 of 2 victories against Ma Lin while he lost to Ma Lin 16 times. His record to Wang Hao is also 2:14. Chinese is always the dominant penhold national from 1960's to present, perhaps except late 1970's and early 1990's.
Ryu using the Japanese type penhold, which the forehand power are stronger than the Chinese penhold which Ma Lin using , Having pros and cons in using Jap or Chn version of penhold, like wang hao type are advantages for the penholder backhand, the shape of Japanese penhold racket are smaller than the Chinese penhold purpose for concentrate the power on forehand and the shape of the Chinese penhold racket are wider purpose for able to cover the backhand side, means the overall power are dispersion for both faces. In fact, Ma lin mostly using the forehand side block for the backhand return, which is not really 100% utilize the advantages of the Chinese type penhold. But Wang Hao did very well for this, can see that until now no one able to do what Wang Hao have done for his backhand skills, which are incredible.
the first gen of c-pen holders uses forehand side block for the backhand as Liu Guoliang, Ma Lin, from Wang Hao to Xu xin I consider 2n gen of c-pen, using the other side to return backhands
I'll root for a South Korean or Japanese player any day over a Chinese player. I begrugingly make an exception for Wang Hao because l adopted his reverse penhold style and it gave me the backhand of my dreams, for my level.
There were too many unforced errors made by Ma Lin. Rye on the other hand was amazing. It was a good fight between penhold players. Unfortunately we don’t have many chances watching them these days.
Yes, he has had a chronic knee injury in one of his knees for several years now. Actually, his doctor recommended him a surgery years ago. but since it would end his playing career, he's been holding it off until now. Without the injury, I think he would have had much better results than what he's accomplished after winning the Gold at Athens.
rubadubwise NOt only to wipe off sweat. They make this action to have a better feeling about the table. like some kind of "communication", and have a relax.
Was ryu really using Xiomara equipment? His blade, I am quite certain, was his old bty Kim tael zoo blade with the black marking on the handle. What about the rubber?
Ma made more errors which cost him. I found him to be the better player though he lost. They were very even throughout. And can't they get better chairs than those cheap white made in China chairs? Ball boys would help too, at least at each far end.
ksojoel, How do you compare the two players and how did you get to your conclusion? Are you picking the better player by their losing record? I mean, losing more often. Have you checked to see their h/h results? According to you, the better of the 2 players possesses a near 1/5 L/W record against the weaker player.
@@Badkhela Ryu was a very good player but I wouldn't classify him as great. It would be unfair to compare Ryu to Ma Long, Xu Xin, or Zhang Jike. However, check out his h/h records against his contemporaries Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Wang Li Qin. Let's say, he occasionally won.
ma lin has more than 15 world champion titles. Including Olympic man single, way Better than ryu who has only 2004 Olympic champion. Never come into any finals before and after...
![2009 China National Games (MT-F/m1] Wang Hao Vs Ma Lin [Full Match/Chinese|High Quality]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iFbWy9IW5Kc/mqdefault.jpg)
I like Ma Lin's unpredictable strategies, rapid block, and beautiful backhand topspin, but I love Ryu Seung Min's Stylish both sides powerful and fantastic play more. 4 vs 1, Ma Lin should be feeling down for months. No matter who won, penholders never die...
It is no surprise Ryu had to retire due to a bad knee. Moving like this puts incredible strain on the body.
Two legendary penholder players.
스탯으로는 당대 대한민국 최고의 선수였네.
유승민 괜히 IOC위원이 아니었구나.
RSM...the pride of South Korea! Since he retired, it is sad to see no one who is able to replace him in the J-Pen style. Table Tennis became a bit boring after seeing majority of the Players using handshake style. The game needs more J-Pen players in the top 10 to make it more exciting!
You're so right man! It's too bad that jpen is irrelevant now with the bigger, plastic balls :(
Pen hold was history..
@@matahati6556
I disagree! Can we recall the last 2 JPenholders WTTC Single Champions? Kohno and Ono won the 1977 and 1979 WTTC Single. Ono did not last long but he was certainly the best player for at least 2 years. Kohno was consistently great for at least 10 years. Kohno retired after 1977. Do you know after 1989, the penholders were slaughtered by the Swedish and the Chinese national coaches said that to counter the Swedish players, a penholder must have the skills of the Great Kohno. Too bad, we have not seen a JPenholder who can match the skills and mental toughness of the 1977 World Champion.
I hope Jpen will return soon
@@bananaapple9698 Not anytime soon with the current balls
Dois dos melhores caneteiros de todos os tempos
둘의 컨디션이던 운이던 뭘 가져다 붙여도 마린을 잡은건 진짜 대단한거지 그만큼 마린이 잘하는 선수고 유승민도 엄청났던거라는 생각이 듭니다
유승민이 마린이랑 왕리친과 잘비비는듯하네요
Fantastic Ryu! It's a pleasure to follow his matches!
Ryu was able to bring extreme power with his forehand and together with his footwork made him a killer tt player.
@IloIoIoIIoIloIIollIolIoIlolI
They were playing with the 40mm larger ball in this match.
Rsm is last hero of J-pen style ..T-T
i like ryu seung min
Rsm forehand power is world best
I like to play with Jpen than Cpen
Pen holder
유승민 역시 최고의 파워 드라이브 멋지다 대한민국 선수 중 이런 파워는 이전에도 앞으로도 없을듯
это можно смотреть бесконечно
Ryu= GOAT of all J pen holders!
당시 유승민의 중국의 00년대 트로이카인 마린, 왕리친까지는 잡았는데 왕하오의 벽을 넘지 못해서 아쉬웠어요. 그래도 일펜 전형으로 혼자서 중국 선수 세 명과 맞짱 뜬 현 유 위원님, 그 당시에도 멋졌습니다^^
2004 아테네 안봤음?? 오히려 왕리친을 못잡아서 아쉬웠는데 뭔소리?
@@fnfnfgn8218 영상에 나온 대회에서는 왕리친 잡고 결승에서 왕하오한테 졌어요
왕하오와의 상대전적이...
Ryu Seung Min was outstanding but had too short-lived golden period.
와 경기 재밌다 긴장감 최고 ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ
Good for them, because sporting games always have the potential for stunning upsets, and that's what makes them interesting for us. Some people thought Ryu was lucky to win in Athens, but I don't think it was merely that. He was red hot going into the tournament. Want proof? Look up some videos from US Open of the same year, which took place only a few months earlier. He was moving like lightening with forehand power top spins that were simply like hammer-punching.
While I agree nobody wins an olympic gold by luck, US Open isn't really the pinnacle of table tennis...
@@jankay8569 You know what? Sometimes, not saying anything and keeping silent prevents you from revealing the lack of knowledge or even intelligence. It looks like you're referring to the current pathetic US Open that's essentially a village party for the US players and some third-tier international players. But back in 2004, US Open was still an official ITTF Pro Tour event that attracted all the top players from the world, including the Chinese National Team members. They were regularly participating in it prior to 2004, but they have allegedly decided not to in order to not reveal their tactics with only a few months remaining until the Olympic Games. Ryu won that event by beating Chuan Chi-Yuan of Chinese Taipei, but more importantly, he raised his world ranking to #4 to attain a very advantageous seeding in the Olympic Games, and the rest is history.
Os melhores!
not only that... Wang Hao defeat against Ryu gaved the chinese one of the most highest motivation to improve. Liu Guoliang is still keeping that defeat as one of his mayor motivations.
ชอบมาลีนมาก
저때 시합할때 아직도 생생하게 기억난다 엄청나게 재미있었고 유승민선수 진짜 대단했었지 최고의경기였지
Reu is one of the best penholders of all times, I'd like to see the match between him and Xu Xin but unfortunately they are from different times... (((
melhor jogo ...
de todos de caneta
두선수 모두 전성기때 펼친 경기만큼 손에 땀을쥐게 하는 역대급 경기였다.....
This particular performance by Ryu shows that his winning the Gold Medal in 2004 Athens Olympic Games was not a fluke. The guy moves like a lightening in this game, and even though his lifetime record against the top Chinese players is pretty lopsided, when he was in top shape, he could play with the best of them in his prime time. Obviously, he peaked at the right time in 2004 to grab the Gold. However, his knee injury has slowed him down considerably shortly after that. What a shame...
Waldner did the work for Ryu. Waldner defeated the favorite Ma Lin. Ryu would not have much a chance against Ma Lin. If you don't believe me, look up the h/h between Ma Lin and Ryu. Of course, Waldner did not do too good against Ma either but Waldner found a way to win on that particular day. It was very hard to beat Ma Lin in his prime.
@@benthekeeshond545 There's so many stupid things you said here I dont even know how to reply lol.
So nice to see the Chinese out penholded! Yoo Nam Kyu/Kim Taek Su/Ryu Seung Min; is Korea the most dominant penhold nation ever?
Surely not. Neither of them hold positive record with Chinese penholders in the same period. Ryu for example, this match is his 1 of 2 victories against Ma Lin while he lost to Ma Lin 16 times. His record to Wang Hao is also 2:14. Chinese is always the dominant penhold national from 1960's to present, perhaps except late 1970's and early 1990's.
He is my second favorite player.
30:15 great foot work
The fastest ever I think in the 2000’s
9년이 지난 지금 이장면을 봐도 유승민의 그림같은 플레이는 예술이네요 볼의 움직임을 보고 침착하고 재빠르게 준비를 하니 지금의 마롱 판젠동도 꼼짝못할거 같네요!!유승민 포에버♡ 지금의 중국인 대부분도 유승민만큼은 절대적으로 인정하는 풋워크감각..
Rue fastest feet in the game back then!!! Super fast scary fast!! 2002-2006 was his best years I think
ryu seung min is very good
Ryu using the Japanese type penhold, which the forehand power are stronger than the Chinese penhold which Ma Lin using , Having pros and cons in using Jap or Chn version of penhold, like wang hao type are advantages for the penholder backhand, the shape of Japanese penhold racket are smaller than the Chinese penhold purpose for concentrate the power on forehand and the shape of the Chinese penhold racket are wider purpose for able to cover the backhand side, means the overall power are dispersion for both faces. In fact, Ma lin mostly using the forehand side block for the backhand return, which is not really 100% utilize the advantages of the Chinese type penhold. But Wang Hao did very well for this, can see that until now no one able to do what Wang Hao have done for his backhand skills, which are incredible.
the first gen of c-pen holders uses forehand side block for the backhand as Liu Guoliang, Ma Lin, from Wang Hao to Xu xin I consider 2n gen of c-pen, using the other side to return backhands
최고의 테크니션을 당황하게 만드는 예술탁구
이런 선수가 대한민국 선수인건 대단^^
유승민..증말 포드라이브 죽인댜
I'll root for a South Korean or Japanese player any day over a Chinese player. I begrugingly make an exception for Wang Hao because l adopted his reverse penhold style and it gave me the backhand of my dreams, for my level.
RSM의 주효햇던건 마린의 서브를 넣은후 보고 움직인거 근데 마린은
그렇지못해서 서브를 탄거임
서브받을때 회전이 보이니
컷으로 주던 또는 플릭으로 처리해
승리로 이끌었음
이제 전설이된 RSM을 응원합니다
이다음경기도 왕리친하고하는것도 박살냅니다
결승전때 왕하오로하는데 아까웠습니다
브라보~~ 유승민!!! 대 마린~~ 4:1 승리.. 대단합니다^^
Ryu was on fire
There were too many unforced errors made by Ma Lin. Rye on the other hand was amazing. It was a good fight between penhold players. Unfortunately we don’t have many chances watching them these days.
Leyenda ryu master
ryu jjang ddabong!!
유승민, 마린 둘다 올림픽 금메달 리스트 니까, 탁구 최정상 인 선수끼리의 대결이군요....
낭만의 시대....
유승민이 비 중국인 으로 마지막 올림픽 탁구 금메달 ㅎㅎ;; 중국이 올림픽 탁구에서 싹쓰리 할때 유남규 와 유승민이 비 중국인 출신으로 금메달 딴 선수
我覺得，這場球是柳承敏繼04年雅典奧運男單決賽之後，另一場巔峰之戰
Yes, he has had a chronic knee injury in one of his knees for several years now. Actually, his doctor recommended him a surgery years ago. but since it would end his playing career, he's been holding it off until now. Without the injury, I think he would have had much better results than what he's accomplished after winning the Gold at Athens.
es bueno ver partidos de dos lapiceros , ya que esta plagado de clasicos hoy en dia.
He had a knee injury? I've never heard of that.
Uteri pobku egjiek, smash loy titi kor
hey, new here. why do they always feel the top of their side of the table near the net?
to wipe off sweat from their hands
rubadubwise NOt only to wipe off sweat. They make this action to have a better feeling about the table. like some kind of "communication", and have a relax.
+Joshxc They pick their nose and don't know what to do with boogers. So they just put them on the table.
Mash Monster
Touch wood :-)
Was ryu really using Xiomara equipment? His blade, I am quite certain, was his old bty Kim tael zoo blade with the black marking on the handle. What about the rubber?
Show
grande jogo....viva os caneteiros rsrsrs !!!!!
The last legendary penholder player.
2 last legendary penhold players
7:37 Oh shiitt XD jajaja
5:50
この時代はグルー時代ですか？
この時代はグルーOKでしたね。
翌年からダメになったような気がします。
why is oh the coach for ryu in this game?
Oh sang eun - kor
Ma liiiiiin
7:58 sorry jajajajaja xd
마지막 일펜 황제.
Nowadays no more this tournament like this.
13:00 pfffffff ryu eung min good luke :/
Ma made more errors which cost him. I found him to be the better player though he lost. They were very even throughout. And can't they get better chairs than those cheap white made in China chairs? Ball boys would help too, at least at each far end.
regend of korea tabie tenis player.
Malin perdeu sacando na direita onde o adversário é muito forte
to dry their hand
Pen holders
Why does Oh sub-coach so much?
41:54 see Ryu’s eyes
Ma Lin was a bit off form in this match. Usually he defeated Ryu.
I think he defeatead Ryu years later when the korean was decreasing his level. Both in his prime Ryu was way better imo
@@ksojoel
tabletennis.guide/alldata.php?name=seungmin-ryu-108098
tabletennis.guide/alldata.php?name=lin-ma-105648
Ma Lin was usually ranked higher.
@@ksojoel chronic knee injury held him back later in his career afaik
11:55
ma lin errou todos os backs
08:05
Nice shirts. Especially ma lin's
息を呑む戦い。
Ryu did too well. ML missed a lot on the other hand.
Besides, what's wrong with ML? Why is he so angry every time Ryu wins a hard point? Ryu did nothing against rules.
@@Geno_Whirl so many lucky point！
Two guys have been being great players still after they got the Gold medal in Olympics, but their world rankings are being down...
41:16 Oh: calm down lol
41:17
중국 감독표정......첨부터 끝까지 화난거같음
다음 왕리친 경기때도 그럼 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
유유유유유유유유유유유유유유유유유유유유유스스스스스스스스스스스스스스스스스스스스스민민민 짱
에헷
ryu was way better than ma lin both at their prime. For me Ryu's forehand has no comparison
during speed glue era yes...
ksojoel,
How do you compare the two players and how did you get to your conclusion? Are you picking the better player by their losing record? I mean, losing more often. Have you checked to see their h/h results? According to you, the better of the 2 players possesses a near 1/5 L/W record against the weaker player.
@@christianadriananiceta2753
Not true either. Ma Lin triumphed over Ryu all the time. However, Ryu played a good match here.
@@benthekeeshond545 all the time? what ..
@@christianadriananiceta2753
Speed glue or not, when Ma played against Ryu, Ma usually came out on top. That is what I was trying to say.
Apa cuma sayaborang indonesia yang nonton😂😂
Tidak
マリンてあばれる君に似てるな
So many lucky points!
Ма лин кажется половину нижней губы сгрыз за матч
Not to take anything away from Ryu, Ma Lin played really bad that day. A lot of shots he would not miss usually.
Its what happens sometimes when you know the opponent is great.
@@Badkhela
Ryu was a very good player but I wouldn't classify him as great. It would be unfair to compare Ryu to Ma Long, Xu Xin, or Zhang Jike. However, check out his h/h records against his contemporaries Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Wang Li Qin. Let's say, he occasionally won.
@@benthekeeshond545 i see
敏哥真牛逼 最伟大的国外乒乓球运动员
Muchos errores de Ma Lin
Aaa
Iii
ma lin has more than 15 world champion titles. Including Olympic man single, way
Better than ryu who has only 2004 Olympic champion. Never come into any finals before and after...
TOM LIU Ryu earned bronze in 2008 and Silver in Teams 2012
유남규는 그시절 중국탁구가 기술적인 완성도가 미흡했던 시기였습니다. 그래서 한국과 중국탁구 격차가 대등했죠.
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