I never see the bots, even when I get to a video early, and it's annoying that these comments about basically nothing end up being one of the most liked ones.
@@d_the_great I’m also in your situation with other shorts it’s just that they now show up for me and you have to be really early to see them and I mean like minutes early
@@G0RSHK0V my modern Asus Mobo shows MT/s as MHz for RAM speed and half for IF speed, even if those are the same clock speeds. Also it's not entirely incorrect to name it MHz as a Hz it's only the amount of times something repeats in a second, MT/s it's the data transfer frequency but not the RAM clock frequency.
FR. It feels so annoying to me to see the capacity on Windows not matching the actual amount listed on the drive. Like any 1TB drive I connect shows like ~930 GB which is so confusing, especially if I need to clone or resize partitions
It's not Microsoft being honest themselves, they're just forcing others to be honest. They don't take the brunt of the possible consequences, that's why they're willing to do this.
They're not really making anyone be honest. Windows has been displaying RAM speed as MHz when it never was that. RAM manufacturers generally list RAM as for example DDR5-6000 (not DDR5 6000 MHz) anyways and use 6000MT/s in the technical specs. They were already not advertising it as MHz. And, given that everyone is using MT/s as standard nobody is being deceived in a meaningful way by the manufacturers. A DDR5-6000 stick is 25% faster than a DDR5-4800 stick even if the difference in clock speed is only 600 MHz. Furthermore, the only thing that is changing is task manager showing RAM speed as 6000 MHz to it showing it as 6000 MT/s which most people won't even notice. There's really no consequences to anyone, Windows just finally becomes a little bit more correct in what it displays.
@@keagansell7512 I had this issue recently. Turns out my ram was in the wrong slots. See if your ram sticks actually go higher (it's printed on the sticker) then check your motherboard manual. I moved mine and it went up to 3,200
Anybody who is into PC's enough to see those numbers and understand their purpose knows how to run google and search. its a problem that takes literal seconds to solve.
@@BakrSackor ok but imagine buying used ram cards at an advertised 3200MHz and seeing in the specs page it's half that. I would want a refund if I didn't catch that it's MTs.
@@Wolfrich666no, a gigabyte is 1000 megabytes, a gibibyte is 1024 mebibytes. there's a whole kibi/mebi/gibi measuring system that exists that goes off of powers of 2 rather than thousands
Incorrect. A gigabyte has always been 1024 megabytes, etc. The gibi byte, etc, was a created by storage manufacturers, for marketing. Because your disk is base ten while memory has always been base base 8, for personal computers. That the general public acualy could use. The IEC proposed the change and manufactures adopted it starting in 1999 but wide spread adoption did not occur for several years. You can also blame the Europeans for this change as they were too confused the computer "kilo" wasn't a round base ten number, like. Because anything other than base 10 is just too confusing for Europeans, apparently.
@@kitrod but if we are talking about transmission speed, the correct measure is in bits per second instead of Gibs (apparently i have always been taught the incorrect measurements of the Gigabytes XD)
It's not wrong and was never wrong. It honestly is running at that clock speed. Yes, the input clock may only be 4000MHz, but the internal clock (and as a result, the data clock) are doubled. Changing it to transfers per second just means you will go from confusing one uninformed group of people to another uninformed group of people. At least they aren't bothering to report it in nanoseconds anymore.
The timing on this is funny. Yesterday I noticed in taskmanager that it reported half the speed I set my RAM on 2 months ago with the AMD Expo profile. Went into the eufi and everything was fine. Thank you for the video. Now I understand. 😂
The advertised number is the more accurate number. If the ram transfers data twice as often as the system clock, you should see that. You probably care more about the frequency at which you actually get data than the frequency of the system clock.
Ok, different question, why does win11 keep screwing up google chrome? It seems like I have to screw around with renaming files and creating new shortcuts every few days.
Just to clarify I was pointing why Microsoft was breaking Chrome (to try and force you to use Edge) I was NOT recommending Edge, it's garbage stay the hell away from it.
@jimguppy7204 usually the worst browsers are the one they push the most. They are also trying to force us to us co pilot on bing. I'm forced to use Edge for my job and hate it.
But hertz is just the amount of things per second. So data transfers per second is correct from the manufacturers. Waves per second is also measured in hertz, just like beats in music can be measured in hertz
I think Microsoft should make that clear, like with a menu pop up explaining that because i can 100% see a lot of people thinking either their ram is broken, they got scamed or its Microsofts fault and they need to fix it, and i think that last one might cause a PR nightmare.
Ddr is you effective data rate. Modern people are still to technologically illiterate to understand computers. But they have become a mandatory part of our lives, in these times. So instead of continuing to try and educate people, as has been tried for decades, the tech companies are just giving up and changing all of their terms to dumb it down for the average idiot.
I hate marketing so much. So many TVs will have a ""Motion rating"" of 120 when it's really just a blatant lie to anybody LOOKING for 120hz. The whole purpose of that marketing just hurts the small section of the consumer market that cares about 120hz
I mean Hertz is just 1/s so it can mean about anything anyway, it just describes a frequency. That frequency can be about anything, the frequency of the bus, or the frequency of transfers. So it's technically not wrong.
@@angrybonobro8711 He's a programmer. Some frameworks take up to 20GB alone, but what if you want chrome open too? what about slack?... 64gb is needed, so 128gb is safe choice... still, incredible.
@@angrybonobro8711 I, myself, could use atleast 80% of the 128GB RAM easily in a busy workflow, running some AI training with ruby, slack, discord, and chrome open.
@@angrybonobro8711 I have 8gb. Windows allows me to go beyond. My max was 22gb, no games on. I only stopped because I have no GPU nor more actual RAM. I'd use 64gb.
Now we just have to do this with megabytes & gigabytes etc. because all the storage companies have decided that they were going to do math by the thousand when computers work by 1024. I have even seen it reported both ways in the same system but I can't remember where. And we're even getting screwy with transfer rates and making up new names like Mibps or something like that.
And then RAM clock isn't even running above 1GHz. The clock on the memory bus only runs between 300 and 700MHz, but with every iteration from DDR(1) to 5 the bus width has been made wider. Now DDR5 gives out 16x8 Bytes with every cycle, with clock starting at 300MHz for 4800 and 500MHz for 8000.
TL;DR your card currently says the wrong clock speed and they are going to fix that. Longer: it used to say 3000mhz as example and now it will say 3000mts. reason being that the stick is (technically speaking) a 1500mhz stick sending 2 signals per cycle and not a 3000mhz card. it's a completely useless fact really unless you work in a relevant field or has a deep computer interest. it started as a marketing thing to call 100mhz ddr a 200mhz to show that it was faster than a sdr stick, and then nobody changed it once it became the norm. you'd be surprised at the kind of stupid marketing things that happen in this field because most people don't know anything about it.. *looks at "win 7 compatible computer screens*
So as always tech companies abusing their costumers?. When (and how) did i cross to an alternate dimension where microsoft is the good one fixing everyone else's messes?
This honestly doesn't matter. The only reason we PC users look at that page is to see if the RAM we bought are running at the right speed. If numbers are changed people are going to try fix their RAM speed even though it runs at the speed they should. If they are just changing some letters around it still won't matter because we won't care about that.
Windows 10 showed marketing name, then they used MHz and now they got back to what It used to be but with MT/s. Probably due user compliant that RAM where half speed than before.
I may actually go with Win 11 here soon if they keep up the good work. Windows 10 was booty at launch but got better so I only have to wait so long for maximum control if I don’t Linux myself into the next generation
The major problem going forward will be all of the people not understanding the difference and trying to get refunds/wasting support time. Along the same lines of people seeing their download speed and being upset that it’s far lower than the advertised speed (that uses an entirely different metric not displayed usually).
Does it matter? If all companies are "doubling the MHz", it doesn't matter how they're called. It's not like we use the number to calculate something, we just go "uhhh, bigger nomber it better" Am I missing something?
Just to make something clear: the MT/s doesn't mean it's transferring data at that rate. That's total transfer rate which includes overhead used for synchronization
so windows is cutting the bs and actually not showing us scam numbers? this is a win
not really, if you think about it in transfer rates instead of clock cycle, nothing is changing
Was that pun intended ?
win 11
Rare microsoft W
Why would Microsoft care about showing false numbers?? Last time I checked they're not selling ram sticks lol
CZcams would rather destroy their UI than actually stopping the bots 💀
Tje bots even keep re using the same profile pics, it's embarrassingly bad how bad youtube is with bots.
WHO ASKED+MY FARTS ARE BETTER THAN UTTP
@@ThePr0154
WHO ASKED+I WISH CZcams BANNED CHANNELS THAT USE BOTS
I never see the bots, even when I get to a video early, and it's annoying that these comments about basically nothing end up being one of the most liked ones.
@@d_the_great I’m also in your situation with other shorts
it’s just that they now show up for me
and you have to be really early to see them and I mean like minutes early
Rare microsoft honest moment
Rare windows 11 w moment
This isn't honesty, this is them fixing others mistakes due to old employees being gone lmao.
@@quaso1949 Windows 11 is the same as 10 for anyone that cares.
@@skorpers It isn't the same at all.
@@qwardel7799 And you will proceed to cite absolutely no evidence I guarantee it.
Oh I can't wait for people saying, that Windows has halved their RAM speed
The number won't change only the acronym.
It would be halved if they kept MHz
But they're changing to mt/s so the number stays the same
@@Sjonstick Oh, ok then
Fr
I cant wait for the Linux elites to post it all over saying how garbage Windows is.
As an overclocker i prefer to use ram operating speed, not the doubled efficient speed, as itmakes more sense in the hardware part
If you're an overclocker, you would know that the BIOS already shows the correct speeds.
@@Bakashii just checked and holy shit how did i never realise that before, your right it does.
@@Bakashi That's not always the case. In older systems it shows Bus:RAM ratio, and/or doubled frequency
@@G0RSHK0V my modern Asus Mobo shows MT/s as MHz for RAM speed and half for IF speed, even if those are the same clock speeds.
Also it's not entirely incorrect to name it MHz as a Hz it's only the amount of times something repeats in a second, MT/s it's the data transfer frequency but not the RAM clock frequency.
Is overclocking done bc you need more power, or you don't have a cpu/gpu that would handle it?
Absolutely love the DDR pun
can you explain it? Im dumb
@@talongpuff8498 dance dance revolution
@@talongpuff8498he said causing revolt through bodily movement
Aka dance dance revolution, it also took me a minute to understand why he said that
rare footage of an actual windows 11 W:
2/7 isn't that rare
Next thing they need to fix is GB versus GiB. They've been showing mebibytes, gibibytes, and tebibytes for years, but using the wrong units.
Tbf GB meant 2^30 for many years before drive manufacturers decided to change to 10^9
yes
@@Jason9637 But that always was against SI, using SI prefixes correctly only is a good thing imho.
At least Linux gets that one right.
FR. It feels so annoying to me to see the capacity on Windows not matching the actual amount listed on the drive. Like any 1TB drive I connect shows like ~930 GB which is so confusing, especially if I need to clone or resize partitions
It's not Microsoft being honest themselves, they're just forcing others to be honest. They don't take the brunt of the possible consequences, that's why they're willing to do this.
They're not really making anyone be honest. Windows has been displaying RAM speed as MHz when it never was that. RAM manufacturers generally list RAM as for example DDR5-6000 (not DDR5 6000 MHz) anyways and use 6000MT/s in the technical specs. They were already not advertising it as MHz. And, given that everyone is using MT/s as standard nobody is being deceived in a meaningful way by the manufacturers. A DDR5-6000 stick is 25% faster than a DDR5-4800 stick even if the difference in clock speed is only 600 MHz.
Furthermore, the only thing that is changing is task manager showing RAM speed as 6000 MHz to it showing it as 6000 MT/s which most people won't even notice. There's really no consequences to anyone, Windows just finally becomes a little bit more correct in what it displays.
When you started, I almost had my hopes up for reasonable idle ram consumption
Ah yes DDR4 32GB ram @1333MHz like the old days
Sobs in 16gb DDR3.
I got ddr4 32gb at 2133 im very sad it won’t go higher 😢
@@keagansell7512 I had this issue recently. Turns out my ram was in the wrong slots. See if your ram sticks actually go higher (it's printed on the sticker) then check your motherboard manual.
I moved mine and it went up to 3,200
Is Dance Dance Revolution still relevant, or was that just an easter egg for us older millennials? 😂
I know what DDR is and I'm 17
@@TheInfintyithGoofball I don't know what it is, and I'm 16
@@TheInfintyithGoofball ddr is fire but my friend threw up last time they played it
I know what it is and I just turned 15
@@RenAeRen thats such a funny addition
Bro this is gonna cause so much confusion for pc builders that aren't in the know
How? They are just changing “MHz” to “MT/s” The number will be the same
Finally doing things correctly causes confusion?
Lousy take.
Anybody who is into PC's enough to see those numbers and understand their purpose knows how to run google and search. its a problem that takes literal seconds to solve.
@@BakrSackor yeah one google chrome tab is like 1gb
@@BakrSackor ok but imagine buying used ram cards at an advertised 3200MHz and seeing in the specs page it's half that. I would want a refund if I didn't catch that it's MTs.
they should inform this to people boldly because it may panic people
Windows has always confused gigabytes with gibibytes
you mean bits per second? bps? you can say gigabits per second, saying mibs or gibs is cringe.
@@Wolfrich666no, a gigabyte is 1000 megabytes, a gibibyte is 1024 mebibytes. there's a whole kibi/mebi/gibi measuring system that exists that goes off of powers of 2 rather than thousands
Incorrect. A gigabyte has always been 1024 megabytes, etc. The gibi byte, etc, was a created by storage manufacturers, for marketing. Because your disk is base ten while memory has always been base base 8, for personal computers. That the general public acualy could use.
The IEC proposed the change and manufactures adopted it starting in 1999 but wide spread adoption did not occur for several years. You can also blame the Europeans for this change as they were too confused the computer "kilo" wasn't a round base ten number, like. Because anything other than base 10 is just too confusing for Europeans, apparently.
@@kitrod but if we are talking about transmission speed, the correct measure is in bits per second instead of Gibs (apparently i have always been taught the incorrect measurements of the Gigabytes XD)
@@Nsixtyfourlink Ohh, ok, so Bill Gates always wanted to expose the scam behind the hard drives?
It's not wrong and was never wrong. It honestly is running at that clock speed. Yes, the input clock may only be 4000MHz, but the internal clock (and as a result, the data clock) are doubled. Changing it to transfers per second just means you will go from confusing one uninformed group of people to another uninformed group of people. At least they aren't bothering to report it in nanoseconds anymore.
The timing on this is funny. Yesterday I noticed in taskmanager that it reported half the speed I set my RAM on 2 months ago with the AMD Expo profile. Went into the eufi and everything was fine.
Thank you for the video. Now I understand. 😂
This is going to be chaos when people suddenly see that their RAM speed halved for no reason. Imagine the recalls and confusion
isnt windows already displaying the right numbers. They are dispalying the actual hz number and not the advertised double of that.
W10 does not, taskmanager shows me 3000MHz with my 1500MHz DDR4.
But I use HWinfo to get all the info about my HW anyway :D.
Windows 7 did.
The advertised numbers *is* the doubled number.
The advertised number is the more accurate number. If the ram transfers data twice as often as the system clock, you should see that. You probably care more about the frequency at which you actually get data than the frequency of the system clock.
Ram has a real and effective clock speeds, which are technicly the same but for marketing they use effective because it is a bigger number.
"Causing revolt through bodily movements" took me a second😂😂😂
Never expected this from Microsoft but got a gift props where they are due.
Ok, different question, why does win11 keep screwing up google chrome? It seems like I have to screw around with renaming files and creating new shortcuts every few days.
Same thing happens with curseforge for me, but it gets deleted every so often and I have to reinstall
Microsoft Edge
OperaGX
Just to clarify I was pointing why Microsoft was breaking Chrome (to try and force you to use Edge) I was NOT recommending Edge, it's garbage stay the hell away from it.
@jimguppy7204 usually the worst browsers are the one they push the most. They are also trying to force us to us co pilot on bing. I'm forced to use Edge for my job and hate it.
Absolutely gigantic and insane Microsoft W
this is going to go down as the fastest rollback in history.
But hertz is just the amount of things per second. So data transfers per second is correct from the manufacturers. Waves per second is also measured in hertz, just like beats in music can be measured in hertz
exactly the fact that there is a "clock" signal with half the frequency is simply a implementation detail that does no matter.
the only useful function in w11
I think Microsoft should make that clear, like with a menu pop up explaining that because i can 100% see a lot of people thinking either their ram is broken, they got scamed or its Microsofts fault and they need to fix it, and i think that last one might cause a PR nightmare.
RAM companies: we're lying to you because marketing :D
more like all companies
Ddr is you effective data rate. Modern people are still to technologically illiterate to understand computers. But they have become a mandatory part of our lives, in these times. So instead of continuing to try and educate people, as has been tried for decades, the tech companies are just giving up and changing all of their terms to dumb it down for the average idiot.
HUH but when its marketing thing? It just all 2x nothing more.
dance dance revolution 4
I hate marketing so much. So many TVs will have a ""Motion rating"" of 120 when it's really just a blatant lie to anybody LOOKING for 120hz. The whole purpose of that marketing just hurts the small section of the consumer market that cares about 120hz
Still not updating to Windows 11
you r doing right thing! no need
128 GB OF RAM 💀💀
That's what you need to run windows eleven.
@@kugelblitz1557 False, i have 16gb and its running fine
Just experienced this whole concept when trying to determine what type of RAM i needed to upgrade to.
Me: "They're gonna cut the bloat?"
Me later on: "Nope I didnt think so anyway..."
I mean Hertz is just 1/s so it can mean about anything anyway, it just describes a frequency. That frequency can be about anything, the frequency of the bus, or the frequency of transfers. So it's technically not wrong.
The intelligence required to make videos like this masterpiece is truly outstanding and has changed my life for the better
My guy having 128GB of RAM 😢
Totally overkill for a gaming pc, you will never ever go over 32gb usage
@@angrybonobro8711 He's a programmer. Some frameworks take up to 20GB alone, but what if you want chrome open too? what about slack?... 64gb is needed, so 128gb is safe choice... still, incredible.
@@angrybonobro8711 I, myself, could use atleast 80% of the 128GB RAM easily in a busy workflow, running some AI training with ruby, slack, discord, and chrome open.
@@somexne I'm a programmer too, I never exceeded 32 gb
@@angrybonobro8711 I have 8gb. Windows allows me to go beyond. My max was 22gb, no games on. I only stopped because I have no GPU nor more actual RAM. I'd use 64gb.
Bots💀
fr
Now we just have to do this with megabytes & gigabytes etc. because all the storage companies have decided that they were going to do math by the thousand when computers work by 1024. I have even seen it reported both ways in the same system but I can't remember where. And we're even getting screwy with transfer rates and making up new names like Mibps or something like that.
And then RAM clock isn't even running above 1GHz. The clock on the memory bus only runs between 300 and 700MHz, but with every iteration from DDR(1) to 5 the bus width has been made wider. Now DDR5 gives out 16x8 Bytes with every cycle, with clock starting at 300MHz for 4800 and 500MHz for 8000.
And what tells me 1500 MT per second? What is this shit? With MHz I can at least make a calculation 😮
TL;DR your card currently says the wrong clock speed and they are going to fix that.
Longer:
it used to say 3000mhz as example and now it will say 3000mts.
reason being that the stick is (technically speaking) a 1500mhz stick sending 2 signals per cycle and not a 3000mhz card.
it's a completely useless fact really unless you work in a relevant field or has a deep computer interest. it started as a marketing thing to call 100mhz ddr a 200mhz to show that it was faster than a sdr stick, and then nobody changed it once it became the norm.
you'd be surprised at the kind of stupid marketing things that happen in this field because most people don't know anything about it.. *looks at "win 7 compatible computer screens*
Just double the number
Everyone missed the dance dance revolution joke lmao
I'm okay with companies counting both posedge and negedge if stuff's happening on both clock edges.
"hmm looks like I only have 4mhz RAM. Let me upgrade to 8mhz" (buys same RAM)
Ram was ALWAYS measured in MT/S
So as always tech companies abusing their costumers?. When (and how) did i cross to an alternate dimension where microsoft is the good one fixing everyone else's messes?
Now how about fixing Windows 11 so.ot doesn't use 6 GB RAM twiddling its thumb?
DDR stands for:
A. Double Data Rate (RAM)
B. Dance Dance Revolution
Don't worry, Gnome doesn't have this bug, because they don't show memory speed.
Wow, this improved my life!.. .. .. .. .
I would just be happy if Windows wasn't such a damn RAM HOG! Maybe they can fix that!
You can fix that by installing Linux instead
Finally we can download all the rams!
no, it clearly stands for dance dance revolution
this is a win nonetheless, but I was expecting something like Win 11 being able to run generally as efficient as MacOS
HONEST over marketing hype is always better!
We are not talking about MB and MiB yet...
They basically won the gamers with this one.
This honestly doesn't matter. The only reason we PC users look at that page is to see if the RAM we bought are running at the right speed.
If numbers are changed people are going to try fix their RAM speed even though it runs at the speed they should.
If they are just changing some letters around it still won't matter because we won't care about that.
When do we get high datatransfer ram
Like when we moved from double density floppys to high densities
So I can be a psychopath and say I am running 1.6 GHz ram
I go for slow clock speed and high volume over four channels and have for years.
-sighs in 128GB of DDR5 running at barely over 2Ghz-
Windows 10 showed marketing name, then they used MHz and now they got back to what It used to be but with MT/s. Probably due user compliant that RAM where half speed than before.
As long as they never use those silly kibibytes
"it's around 3 or 2 thousand" me still gaming on my ddr3 1333hz 😢
Finally they are fixing damce dance revolution :D
shit gettin deep when microsoft movin right
>"It's gonna fix your ram!"
>changes the name of one statistic
Rare modern Microsoft dub
A windows auto update ruined my day, couldn't get my ram to be stable with xmp when it was good for like 12 months
Is this gonna throw off so many noobs, “why is the ram only half the speed it says on the box?!”
ram prices goes down ... plumming ... downnnnn
Memtest has had it this way for a good while now
I may actually go with Win 11 here soon if they keep up the good work. Windows 10 was booty at launch but got better so I only have to wait so long for maximum control if I don’t Linux myself into the next generation
The major problem going forward will be all of the people not understanding the difference and trying to get refunds/wasting support time. Along the same lines of people seeing their download speed and being upset that it’s far lower than the advertised speed (that uses an entirely different metric not displayed usually).
The scammer is flashing the other scammers 😅
Rare footage of Microsoft actually fixing windows 11
Finally something not bad happening with windows 11
rhythm game player here, the tism was invoked when i heard the DDR pun
For those of us old enough to recall - WE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THIS FOUR YEARS BEFORE SMART PHONES EVEN. NO ONE LISTENED. Windows isn't fixing anything
We doing lawsuit with this one
Extremely rare windows 11 win
Does it matter? If all companies are "doubling the MHz", it doesn't matter how they're called. It's not like we use the number to calculate something, we just go "uhhh, bigger nomber it better"
Am I missing something?
2000s? Nah, it your ram is in the 2000s you need to give back your grandpa ram sticks
I hate how marketing does this to inflate numbers.
The only thing Microsoft did not beg for 💀💀💀💀
You know speed must be measured in m/s instead of MHz
No wonder I keep seeing the AMD Control Panel showing 1600MHz and not 3200MHz shown in the Task Manager
This is going to cause nothing but confusion
I see it as a win for sure
Windows 11 finally standing up for the truth by adding a grand total of 4 lines of code to their OS.
Though the os gets lighter and we get control over most of the pc🤣😂
So, nrext time we download a update, RAM gets fried.
Windows need to fix a lot of things, this os is the equivalent of me saying the game you played on your 2000 pc only has 3 fps on your today machine
Not an acronym. An abbreviation. Acronyms are pronounced as words. Like LASER.
Just to make something clear: the MT/s doesn't mean it's transferring data at that rate. That's total transfer rate which includes overhead used for synchronization
Hope someday they fix their RAM usage as well which is a bigger problem
It’s rare, it’s honest and it causes confusion in my brain… (I think I should go to sleep now)
Wow that’s great, I’m still not getting windows 11.