I've been training Wing Tsun for a few years now, and this video has been one of my biggest inspirations in doing such. Sure it's a different style but God I've always had so much respect and admiration for Southern Mantis.
It's called training. You get slapped or touched--instead of getting your eyes blinded and your trachea crushed. This animal fighting system has been around a long time--and should be taken seriously.
This is one of the best Gung Fu styles. This is southern mantis. Attacking the wind pipe is highly effective especially with strong fingers. As for MMA well I've trained in it and won some submission grappling competitions, and comparing both is like comparing Apples and Oranges. A lot of Gung Fu is not built around a challenge match where both opponents are ready to fight, it's more about doing as much damage as possible before the opponent is even prepared for the fight. Styles like White Eyebrow for example were not designed for self defence they were designed to kill someone fast without warning and get the he'll out fast. Nearly all of those moves are banned in professional MMA fighting for a reason. People also forget MMA is not a style it's mixing martial arts together. UFC fighters are going to win nearly all ring fights and most street fights because they are professional fighters, that doesn't mean that crushing someone's wind pipe doesn't work in a fight. Most people who do traditional martial arts are not professional fighters, and just because they'll generally lose to a PROFESSIONAL UFC, or Bellator fighter doesn't mean grabbing or punching someone in the Trachea doesn't work. Additionally a lot of cultures use weapons as a first resort and not as a last resort.
Arm Strength Trainer A UFC or MMA fighter will not win against someone who practices SPM. They only use moves that are legal and within the rules of the sport whereas kung fu uses deadly attacks and incredible footwork speed. Saying that some Americanized bullshit fighting style will beat an art that's been perfected and around for centuries is ignorant and stupid.
I like both Praying Mantis and Wing Chun , I think a mastery on both systems plus muay thai would be an awesome deadly triple combination. so many weapons.
this for me is one of the most effective and mean styles of kung fu. I trained in shaolin for a year and after that i did another year in Wudang shan. I was so dissapointed to see how the new ''monks'' in shaolin have forgotten the martial side of kung fu. They can do the form perfectly but when it comes to fightin they use Sanda.. then why the hell are you spending so much times in learning all these forms and movements if u dont study the application. This for me is the real side of gong fu , the martial side...fuck all the jumpy wushu shit. if u want to be a athlete its ok, but not if you are a martial artist
I can answer that question. Its all about distance and skill of opponent. Sanda, much like boxing or kickboxing is effective in all arts and sports as well as the street when facing an opponent that is just as skilled as you. If you nottice Praying Mnatis techniques are very good inside techniques. But can also be triggered from a boxing stance with good footwork. Its all in the practitioners choice. I know because I practice and teach Praying Mantis as well as Xingyi, boxing, kickboxing and Taijutsu. does this help somewhat?
well my actual point was about many people even in china in dengfeng shaolin wudang everywhere ive seen it all the time. they spend their entire day learning all these wicked kung fu movements and forms etc. but when its sparing time , u use sanda? so why spend my time doing all these moves if i dont know the actual aplication to them, this is why mantis is so much more effective than nowadays shaolin gong fu. back in the day im sure it was very powerful in combat. , today its nearly a dance show.
Yes exactly, mantis footwork is very much like boxing footwork and that's why a practitioner can position themselves correctly to execute technique. I LOVE Praying Mantis. I practice and teach it in NJ on a private level. Be blessed my Kungfu Brother.
@Chris Perkins Thank you very much :) since I am from Alabama and live in bessemer AL i will need to travel by plane. I will check both of them out. since my body is built for speed and accuracy since My body has a tall yet skinny build to it.
I like the chained moves. Hard to defend against more than 4 attacks at one instant. One breath, many strikes. The hooking is also very cool. Must be a fun style to practice. Thanks for sharing vid.
all kung fu looks similar to this. the only problem i see with the above vid, although its better than most, is its unrealistic approach to someone of the same skill level. the man presents bridge and the other goes off of with a barrage. what if one simply does not let him and returns the attack? this is just another question posed. if you are of a refined skill level you could begin to see what im talking about. lastly, i dont let anyone get this much fan sau on me.
I agree with stephenleeds. His comment is not ignorant he is just stating his opinion as I am too. In this style fighting you can get injured using open hands. You can either pull or twist your thumbs or fingers. Boxing is much better. However, after watching many more Kung fu styles I think that Nam Pai Chuan is a way more better and complete system considering it gives more emphasis on kicking as well
I have heard that they focus on foot traping too and use the momentum benefit to you, it's like attack and trap them in the same time. In higher level they practice breathing to use your internal power to deliver through your punching, it could be deadly. (sorry for my terrible english)
The whole body is used as a bridge, there is a strong focus on grappling and striking simultaneously from a standing position although the system works just as well from the ground its just that since it was designed for battefield use you want to eliminate each opponent as quickly as possible and thats a bit harder from the ground so if you do end up on the ground you want to control your opponent or finish them as quick as possible and then assess other risks in your environment.
The daphragm is a powerful muscle and helps develop the short power in most internal systems. Relaxing the diaphragm builds up a force behind it and raises the blood pressure in the body. Deep breathing uses the diaphragm to control the breathing, blood pressure and increases oxygenation of the body which increases power, endurance etc as well as the direct spring like force of the diaphragm itself which can be sent to any part of the body.
This style is superb. But many strikes can be countered by Bongsau of Wingchun. I'm not saying this style is no good; on the contrary, if it is combined with Wingchun's techniques, that may be one of the top styles.
Idk if anyone eill see and be able to answer this but, at 2:50 a oersin is shown ysing these punching bah like pad poles. What are those called? They look great for that particular practice.
Some of wing chun comes from mantis. This is not the flashy forms style of mantis this would be closer to the original fighting system. If you watch some good eagle claw and tiger claw you will see wing chun in there too as also white crane and obviously snake style.. All of these are where wing chun was derived from so in their purest form you will see wing chun in them.
Wing Chun and Southern Mantis are Southern styles which is also divided into ethnic divisions of Cantonese and Hakka, you will often seem similarities within all these styles. rackemannwingchun.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/styles.png Both where developed from Fujian White Crane but evolved differently and picked up other elements from other styles and dropped elements to suit there needs.
I used to do Tong Long for quite awhile....most powerful punches I have ever seen.....the shifu hit me with his knuckle up close to demonstrate something....he was so close I thought what's the harm it's just one knuckle.....I was wrong lol.
Hmmm. I bet there would be a way to train full contact with a little ingenuity. Someone needs to design a special glove and perhaps face mask to protect eyes. That way the power and full contact can be applied.
This is so much of a mystery for some reason. There are tons of junk schools in Los Angeles. You can learn a watered down version of almost any form but SPM. I trained under Dr. Ron Chapel in the 80's and learned the basics, and mid-level techniques. Developed a great core that has kept my body limber and healthy. And it helped my interest in martial arts bloom. I trained under a private instructor in the art of Muay Thai for 3 years. But had to stop training due to life changing. (off to college and moving, bills bills bills.) I then ceased training all together because in that time period, and now, all I see are MMA dojo's, and Brazilian JiuJitsu. If I wanted to floor hump guys, well there is a freeway of doing that, I could just go to jail. (LOL) And MMA (no offense to anyone who likes it) is NOT mixed martial arts. Its the newest way white America has found to come out on top over everyone else. You never really see any martial arts performed, just your average round house (or heavy kicks) and slugs (straight punches), you dont see any passing and blocking, but you see tons of hugging, and holding, (Sorry LOL). 75% of the fights are on the mat. After watching a UFC fight that was CLEARLY a victory! By all means, and it being ruled a DQ on account of the fact that a martial artist used his training and attacked as instinct told him (elbow to the head) after being elbowed in his head and face by his opponent. This guy was no noob, he was the Thai champion twice over, and the powers that be basically showed that MMA is definitely not Mixed. And to this day I can only sit and watch this incredible form on youtube. -.- So sad I would love to start another discipline and continue all the way through. And I have a young son that I want to share the joys and benefits of martial arts with. I hope this form makes itself a little less scarce.
AdamantForce So much wrong with this. 1st elbows are not illegal in mma. Many muay thai practitioners are successful in mma because it is an effective martial art that is practiced with live sparring and competition, which helps more efficient technique develop and simultaneously shedding techniques that are less effective. What MMA has shown to a large extent, is that the martial arts that are all about forms and tradition tend to be ineffective vs arts where sparring and competition are encouraged. With the exception of eye gouging (for obvious reasons), testicle shots (ill admit this is only illegal so the sport could get sanctioned) biting (sanitary reasons) and fishooking, almost any martial art in the world can use their techniques in the cage. If the martial art is effective, it will be proven effective. If it is not or it is incomplete in terms of defense capabilities, that will become obvious aswell. MMA has really just shown what works and what doesn''t in live scenarios and which martial arts are really business scams selling ineffective techniques to their students. You may not like "floor humping," as you called it, but Jiu Jitsu, Catch Wrestling, Sambo, Freestyle Wrestling and Greco Roman have been proven (in live competition against other martial arts) to be extremely effective, often with the smaller, weaker competitor being the grappler who defeats a larger, stronger opponent.
aren't you cute. can someone get this troll a hug. you sound like the only technique you have learnt is the fetal position. if you get let out of your gimp suit to respond, can you research some decent insults to use sweetheart.
@@clarkey661 he does suck up pretty bad, he says his an Iraqi soldier, thats probably got something to do with his anger management, and the only thing he's good at... he knows it all he says, and says Sue's the weakest link in Chow Gar
I just want to point out that Henry Sue developed a more artistic and softer version of Tong Long, they're not the best, not even close to it. Circular motion delivers less momentum, in your more traditional tong long you're being taught to kill them in your first two to three strikes. There's no fucking about or grappling, you beat the other person to death with your palms or the bottom of your fist before they can even blink. You condition your body to a point where they'll break their own hand trying to hit you. I can't really even tell if these guys are training properly or not, some of the masters from Hong Kong look really skinny because they train their tendons as opposed to their muscles, but I really doubt every single one of these guys are doing that. Otherwise they should look like a roided up pit bull from all the training they should be doing. Edit: I mean I guess it's a lot better than the softer sport based martial arts like Taekwondo and Ju Jitsu, but it's still a massive insult to the guys who originally taught them.
This is a really interesting perspective. I'm going to jump in here before the trolls do. Clearly you know a bit about the style. I'm far from senior in the system, but I can say for sure that we still do lots of conditioning. I think we train a more circular style and incorporate cotton palm and tai chi, but I think this is to train sensitivity in a real fight. I don't know enough to say which is better.. I know what we get told in class, but I'm not going to reproduce that here with absolutely no real world experience to back it up :) The circular style helps chain strikes, the sensitivity obviously is know when to counter hard vs strong. I'd be surprised if traditional chow gar didn't teach some form of sensitivity... soft beats hard and vice versa. Maybe it's just a spectrum. We don't train grappling in the traditional sense, more trapping/locking/covering... and absolutely the aim is to bridge gap and kill/maim within the first few strikes. This video is very old, before the name "circular tong long" existed i think. So things have progressed and even some of the people in the video are no longer part of the organisation. Even so, they are masters, so I think it's fair to say that something that looks weak in this vid probably hurts a lot in realy life haha. My sifu is in there so I know for sure as the smallest out of that group he absolutely packs a punch... For me part of the appeal of HSTL is the organisation, the camaraderie and to have a GM who is constantly adding new things and evolving the style (and lives an hour from me!). Obviously these things are very subjective depending on what you want in a martial art. Anyway, cheers for the considered comment! I just stumbled on this while checking out this video.. heh
Sorry buddy below, this is far from Wing Chun and work on a completely different set of principles and rotations.. maybe they are both relaxed for speed but that about it.. I was given a wooden dummy from a Tong Long friend (because he broke all the arms off in one jong) who trained with Terry in the vid here... and Terry was exceptional back then.. holy shit.. I chose WC but CGTL is as pro as it gets.. Spar against a Tong long guy (if you can last that long) and you will see what i mean.. but like Wing Chun you have to pull the strikes as to not kill the opponent, so it doesnt look a devastating as it actually is.. but it is..
***** You calling me "angry" and "bra" wont justify your statements. I laugh at your pathetic tries to avoid making real arguments. Oh... so your explanation is that they'd move very fast and strike the wrestler coming in on the head? Its funny how we havent seen any wing chun fighter use that move in any fight against a wrestler right? While we are making stuff up, here is how I would take down a wing chun fighter: Id just run in behind him and choke him out. You know, you would think that wouldnt be possible..but if I just did it very fast then its a viable move!:D
***** why not try to quote correctly, I said "avoid". Still, show me some proof of your claims and I will comment on that proof, until now youre just making up theories, which anyone can do.
***** You like every other bullshido fanboy cant talk about MMA without saying "its the MMA "SPORT" or "ITS NOT REAL WORLD" etc. But yet there is no proof at all. I am not hating on martial artists, there are people within every discipline that are very dedicated, well trained and capable. But to bullshit and imagine a stand-up boxing-style art has some kind of magical speed-move that protects them at grapplers is only bullshit, and nothing else. I trained TKD for several years, and I love the discipline, dedication and workout aspects of it. And its alot of fun! But never did I fool myself into believing that i could perform some 360 spin kick against a charging wrestler. The only complete martial artist is one that trains many disciplines, hence MMA. We have proof of that, but not of some magical art that surpasses all other arts (because it doesnt exist!).
***** I never said a legshot is impossible to defend. But the efficient way is not to somehow jump out of the way, that just doesnt work against a skilled wrestler (they are also very fast and they are not "diving off balance"). TKD kicks are strong but absolutely not a good street defence. Thats also what I said. Its obvious youre one of those purists who really hate MMA (saying its "thuggish" and "men grappling eachother on the ground"). It is however, the proven best way of fighting, all in all. Also its the only place where we have actually been able to see purist martial artists test their style against wrestlers, grapplers, and people who mix several arts. The outcome is that we know that a mix of systems is better than one single system.
no, it's a normal speed in southern Chinese Kung-fu( contrast to northern Chinese Kung-fu), try watching a hong-kong movie" Ip-Man," the wing-chin style is also as fast as this( or faster), they were originated from southern China.
How are you conditioning your body to be weapons? Hardening your shins or fingers through impact/micro fractures. How are you training to fight if you aren't physically and cognitively engaging a threat with the tools you're going to use? Paul Vunak is a great example of proper and purposeful training leads to the effective violent results necessary to survive. This is a question to all martial artists on here. I train for combat not sports, that means to kill. Weapons, eye gouging, biting off ears, etc. Go against someone who's psychologically determined and physically trained themselves to perform and tested themselves in real fights. No rules or expectations of letting them walk away. You don't understand real violence. Come at a person with your MMA who has a box cutter hidden and see how bad your day is. My respects to all martial arts.
Wing Chun uses the opponent's momentum and translates it into hitting, while Mantis uses your strength to break your opponent's momentum and to quickly strike.
I'd really love to be there when all you strip mall mma experts try and defend your life from a person on the street who you think wanted a athletic competition and instead wanted your money or your life or both...just bet you want be talking how realistic your training is then
Would get destroyed by boxers. Open to hook cross and kidney shot. This is ok for lower level street defence. Would get leg sweeped immediately by me. To upright . But good for women and some street defence. No power generated at hips no good use side kick low kick. Chin to exposed. As u know no.world champions from this style. Mc Dojo un athletic mumbo jumbo.
I do not know if I agree with you..but some of these techniques if done well may work for the jab cross hook combination...they tend to get really close and poke and strike the throat and stuff and like I said they do not fight in the punching range ..but the trapping .ie they get close ..and yes that kick may work..if your in the right kicking position..which you won't be able to hold if they get that Pocky and close.
Problem is this, you get a burly muscly idiot throwing punches, and you need a lot of power to fight him off....something like Hung Gar or Shaolin (Xiao Hong form techniques) that blocks and hits like a freight train is needed..yes Mantis looks cool but there is not enough power here to stop a really strong opponent...I have studied Wing Chun and the close range chain punches have the similar problem, they are easily side stepped and wiped out but big haymaker punches....look at Choy Li Fut vs Wing Chun in the ring, and Choy Li Fut is powerful and gives very solid attacks without these more lighter slappy moves that Mantis has (no offence, as Mantis is very cool, just saying on the street you may need some serious power). However I am happy to be proven wrong! Peace to all!!
***** well i saw this video with a friend of mine who complete the whole family and subsystem of mantis and he say this is not mantis as per his experience, actually if you see master wong works with wing chun, JKD and hes WC is very familiar to this one, anyway again good video i really like it, many good applications
***** thank you for your reply but you sound very defensive and I never said he was master Wong. just compared the similarities of their style (very flashy and center line oriented). . Btw my friend is not a Liar... if you want I can do a video with him.. and do you have any videos of "GM" henry sue fighting full contact or any sparring videos other than demos? I would life to see this Mantis applications against a full resistant opponent... and who are you sir? Nice to meet you! my name is Sergio
This is definitely not wing chun, lots of similarities as wing chun is a southern style as well and some of wing chun comes from mantis. Which is obvious to see when you watch this. But this is not wing chun.
I've been training Wing Tsun for a few years now, and this video has been one of my biggest inspirations in doing such. Sure it's a different style but God I've always had so much respect and admiration for Southern Mantis.
This is one of the most effective styles of Chinese Boxing Styles there is-awesome.
I learned this for a few years in my 20s.. I miss it so much.. was some of the best times in my life!
Same. Then I learned boxing, stuck w that. Nice not to have to rely on footwork so much and be able to trap hands.
@@RaneBane really good trapping in tong long
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It's called training. You get slapped or touched--instead of getting your eyes blinded and your trachea crushed. This animal fighting system has been around a long time--and should be taken seriously.
Jesus, the guy even moves like a mantis. I'd be torn apart before I even knew what the hell happened. Dangerous!
I know right,,,you'd be slapped at least 3 times by those girl slaps before you know it!!
Love the mantis style. Though at times it tends to look like a slapping contest.
This is my favorite mantis boxing Kung fu videos of all time
This is one of the best Gung Fu styles. This is southern mantis. Attacking the wind pipe is highly effective especially with strong fingers. As for MMA well I've trained in it and won some submission grappling competitions, and comparing both is like comparing Apples and Oranges. A lot of Gung Fu is not built around a challenge match where both opponents are ready to fight, it's more about doing as much damage as possible before the opponent is even prepared for the fight. Styles like White Eyebrow for example were not designed for self defence they were designed to kill someone fast without warning and get the he'll out fast. Nearly all of those moves are banned in professional MMA fighting for a reason. People also forget MMA is not a style it's mixing martial arts together. UFC fighters are going to win nearly all ring fights and most street fights because they are professional fighters, that doesn't mean that crushing someone's wind pipe doesn't work in a fight. Most people who do traditional martial arts are not professional fighters, and just because they'll generally lose to a PROFESSIONAL UFC, or Bellator fighter doesn't mean grabbing or punching someone in the Trachea doesn't work. Additionally a lot of cultures use weapons as a first resort and not as a last resort.
Arm Strength Trainer A UFC or MMA fighter will not win against someone who practices SPM. They only use moves that are legal and within the rules of the sport whereas kung fu uses deadly attacks and incredible footwork speed. Saying that some Americanized bullshit fighting style will beat an art that's been perfected and around for centuries is ignorant and stupid.
You idiots are living in kung fu pandaland.
@@RR-ti8yb thats the most common bullshit arguments you traditional martial artist use to make
Most impressed with the progress of the students...
"come on, stop trying to hit me and hit me"
I dunno man, I've chewed some red mitsi's and spent 2 hours on the dancefloor of a hard trance rave and I reckon I already know a lot of these moves.
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I like both Praying Mantis and Wing Chun , I think a mastery on both systems plus muay thai would be an awesome deadly triple combination. so many weapons.
My vote: BJJ, Praying Mantis, Muay Thai, Wing Chun
Muay thai is very, very hard hitting, so I think that'd make a good complement to the soft-skewing techniques in mantis or WC.
this for me is one of the most effective and mean styles of kung fu. I trained in shaolin for a year and after that i did another year in Wudang shan. I was so dissapointed to see how the new ''monks'' in shaolin have forgotten the martial side of kung fu. They can do the form perfectly but when it comes to fightin they use Sanda.. then why the hell are you spending so much times in learning all these forms and movements if u dont study the application. This for me is the real side of gong fu , the martial side...fuck all the jumpy wushu shit. if u want to be a athlete its ok, but not if you are a martial artist
I can answer that question. Its all about distance and skill of opponent. Sanda, much like boxing or kickboxing is effective in all arts and sports as well as the street when facing an opponent that is just as skilled as you. If you nottice Praying Mnatis techniques are very good inside techniques. But can also be triggered from a boxing stance with good footwork. Its all in the practitioners choice. I know because I practice and teach Praying Mantis as well as Xingyi, boxing, kickboxing and Taijutsu. does this help somewhat?
well my actual point was about many people even in china in dengfeng shaolin wudang everywhere ive seen it all the time. they spend their entire day learning all these wicked kung fu movements and forms etc. but when its sparing time , u use sanda? so why spend my time doing all these moves if i dont know the actual aplication to them, this is why mantis is so much more effective than nowadays shaolin gong fu. back in the day im sure it was very powerful in combat. , today its nearly a dance show.
Yes exactly, mantis footwork is very much like boxing footwork and that's why a practitioner can position themselves correctly to execute technique. I LOVE Praying Mantis. I practice and teach it in NJ on a private level. Be blessed my Kungfu Brother.
the answer is símple: you cant grab and pull your opponent with boxing gloves.
Yes ofcourse. You definitely cant grab with Boxing gloves. LOL.
Apparently henry and his brother malcolm tested and refined this style in the 70's in brisbane when their dad had a cafe and racial conflict was high.
i studied praying mantis style in my free time i only know the basic north &south styles. I wish i could master both .
@Chris Perkins Thank you very much :) since I am from Alabama and live in bessemer AL i will need to travel by plane. I will check both of them out. since my body is built for speed and accuracy since My body has a tall yet skinny build to it.
@ 4:15 we see a great traditional kung fu move which was mastered & made popular by Sifu Moe Howard, & his disciples Curly Howard & Larry Fine...
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Haha thats what i was thinking, I wonder how this style will hold up against full speed boxing...
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I like the chained moves. Hard to defend against more than 4 attacks at one instant. One breath, many strikes. The hooking is also very cool. Must be a fun style to practice. Thanks for sharing vid.
Lol. Reminds me of those balloons with long arms in a car dealership.. 😂
Awesome !!!! GROSSARTIG !!!
Love Mantis rapid strikes great power too 👍💪👊
all kung fu looks similar to this. the only problem i see with the above vid, although its better than most, is its unrealistic approach to someone of the same skill level.
the man presents bridge and the other goes off of with a barrage. what if one simply does not let him and returns the attack? this is just another question posed. if you are of a refined skill level you could begin to see what im talking about.
lastly, i dont let anyone get this much fan sau on me.
I agree with stephenleeds. His comment is not ignorant he is just stating his opinion as I am too. In this style fighting you can get injured using open hands. You can either pull or twist your thumbs or fingers. Boxing is much better. However, after watching many more Kung fu styles I think that Nam Pai Chuan is a way more better and complete system considering it gives more emphasis on kicking as well
I have heard that they focus on foot traping too and use the momentum benefit to you, it's like attack and trap them in the same time. In higher level they practice breathing to use your internal power to deliver through your punching, it could be deadly. (sorry for my terrible english)
Wow, do they also practice eating magic beans so their farts propel them forward in deadly fashion?
The whole body is used as a bridge, there is a strong focus on grappling and striking simultaneously from a standing position although the system works just as well from the ground its just that since it was designed for battefield use you want to eliminate each opponent as quickly as possible and thats a bit harder from the ground so if you do end up on the ground you want to control your opponent or finish them as quick as possible and then assess other risks in your environment.
The daphragm is a powerful muscle and helps develop the short power in most internal systems. Relaxing the diaphragm builds up a force behind it and raises the blood pressure in the body.
Deep breathing uses the diaphragm to control the breathing, blood pressure and increases oxygenation of the body which increases power, endurance etc as well as the direct spring like force of the diaphragm itself which can be sent to any part of the body.
And yes, beans beans the magical fruit, the more you eat the more you toot
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Seen this video few years back with only 3.2k views now its nearing 200k in views.... what does this really add up to.....
Lockdown boredom
Most amazing style I have ever seen.
Studying under one of the Seven True Masters of Kun Tao. Mantis is very effective, I've just never seen mantis like this.
I’m a jkd guy but I’m using slot of mantis I noticed? From just knowing and watching.. so much more economy there.
well it good to know more then on style.stand up fight's and ground fight's cause most fight end up in the ground
Favorite style of mine is Mantis style.
Slappy fight fu
ya se de donde viene el estilo de karate que practico ajajajjaja me encanta esto, buen video. GRACIAS... GOJU RYU KARATE DO. saludos desde panama
Henry I love you please come to sunnybank on a tour
This style is superb. But many strikes can be countered by Bongsau of Wingchun.
I'm not saying this style is no good; on the contrary, if it is combined with Wingchun's techniques, that may be one of the top styles.
- SPM has techniques far beyond the coveted Wing Tsun bong sau
- The style can give a lot of WCers a run for their money
Yes, wingchun's bongsau is a good supplement to SPM. Actually there's a Sai Sau 栖手, similar to bongsau in SPM.
I believe this is southern praying mantis? be interseting to see northern mantis spar southern.
My favorite style
I don't really understand, your mid line is wide open when your two hands are on the side, how do you guard your mid line?
+MasterofPlay7 don't have to, kill the other first...
titilovesbobo what? If you face wing chun you are going to die
no, i will run away and then call 911
i've studied both. tong long is by far the deadlier out of the two.
@@titilovesbobo well we all know how many arms a mantis has so lets not be blind to its mandible......
Idk if anyone eill see and be able to answer this but, at 2:50 a oersin is shown ysing these punching bah like pad poles. What are those called? They look great for that particular practice.
We use jao sao cheat hand bui gee cheung choy I’m sure you have those
Yeah ask Ian Racklander he was blinded in one eye from a staff 15 years ago.
Mate if you want to take your kung fu to the next level go see Sifu Steve Parella on the Gold Coast goldcoastkungfu.com/the-teacher.html
Yes true I know Ian . Very true , nice guy !
I see a lot of Wing Chun techniques in this demonstration. I wonder if this is a hybrid style of Mantis Kung-fu.
Some of wing chun comes from mantis. This is not the flashy forms style of mantis this would be closer to the original fighting system. If you watch some good eagle claw and tiger claw you will see wing chun in there too as also white crane and obviously snake style..
All of these are where wing chun was derived from so in their purest form you will see wing chun in them.
Wing Chun and Southern Mantis are Southern styles which is also divided into ethnic divisions of Cantonese and Hakka, you will often seem similarities within all these styles. rackemannwingchun.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/styles.png
Both where developed from Fujian White Crane but evolved differently and picked up other elements from other styles and dropped elements to suit there needs.
No BJJ/MMA/UFC bros in the comments? Nice..
Looking like a bunch of little girls in a slap fight 😂
Totally brutal ! And effective
I used to do Tong Long for quite awhile....most powerful punches I have ever seen.....the shifu hit me with his knuckle up close to demonstrate something....he was so close I thought what's the harm it's just one knuckle.....I was wrong lol.
Can i ask what is the BGM please？？？thanks verymuch
LMAO 👉😂💪
Let's see you guys put gloves on and really go at it. I'd like to see you guys really spar using the full system.
I think gloves would get in their way, hard to grip an opponent that way. They arnt boxers.
Hmmm. I bet there would be a way to train full contact with a little ingenuity. Someone needs to design a special glove and perhaps face mask to protect eyes. That way the power and full contact can be applied.
When the best defense is attack.
I miss this shit
I want to train Mantis soo bad now!
How is this different from wing chun?
This is so much of a mystery for some reason. There are tons of junk schools in Los Angeles. You can learn a watered down version of almost any form but SPM. I trained under Dr. Ron Chapel in the 80's and learned the basics, and mid-level techniques. Developed a great core that has kept my body limber and healthy. And it helped my interest in martial arts bloom. I trained under a private instructor in the art of Muay Thai for 3 years. But had to stop training due to life changing. (off to college and moving, bills bills bills.) I then ceased training all together because in that time period, and now, all I see are MMA dojo's, and Brazilian JiuJitsu. If I wanted to floor hump guys, well there is a freeway of doing that, I could just go to jail. (LOL) And MMA (no offense to anyone who likes it) is NOT mixed martial arts. Its the newest way white America has found to come out on top over everyone else. You never really see any martial arts performed, just your average round house (or heavy kicks) and slugs (straight punches), you dont see any passing and blocking, but you see tons of hugging, and holding, (Sorry LOL). 75% of the fights are on the mat. After watching a UFC fight that was CLEARLY a victory! By all means, and it being ruled a DQ on account of the fact that a martial artist used his training and attacked as instinct told him (elbow to the head) after being elbowed in his head and face by his opponent. This guy was no noob, he was the Thai champion twice over, and the powers that be basically showed that MMA is definitely not Mixed.
And to this day I can only sit and watch this incredible form on youtube. -.- So sad I would love to start another discipline and continue all the way through. And I have a young son that I want to share the joys and benefits of martial arts with. I hope this form makes itself a little less scarce.
AdamantForce So much wrong with this. 1st elbows are not illegal in mma. Many muay thai practitioners are successful in mma because it is an effective martial art that is practiced with live sparring and competition, which helps more efficient technique develop and simultaneously shedding techniques that are less effective.
What MMA has shown to a large extent, is that the martial arts that are all about forms and tradition tend to be ineffective vs arts where sparring and competition are encouraged.
With the exception of eye gouging (for obvious reasons), testicle shots (ill admit this is only illegal so the sport could get sanctioned) biting (sanitary reasons) and fishooking, almost any martial art in the world can use their techniques in the cage. If the martial art is effective, it will be proven effective. If it is not or it is incomplete in terms of defense capabilities, that will become obvious aswell.
MMA has really just shown what works and what doesn''t in live scenarios and which martial arts are really business scams selling ineffective techniques to their students.
You may not like "floor humping," as you called it, but Jiu Jitsu, Catch Wrestling, Sambo, Freestyle Wrestling and Greco Roman have been proven (in live competition against other martial arts) to be extremely effective, often with the smaller, weaker competitor being the grappler who defeats a larger, stronger opponent.
The entire Sue family sucks. You idiots following them not only suck, but you swallow as well :)
aren't you cute. can someone get this troll a hug. you sound like the only technique you have learnt is the fetal position. if you get let out of your gimp suit to respond, can you research some decent insults to use sweetheart.
@@clarkey661 he does suck up pretty bad, he says his an Iraqi soldier, thats probably got something to do with his anger management, and the only thing he's good at... he knows it all he says, and says Sue's the weakest link in Chow Gar
looks good.
this is some serious clinch fighting.
where is your school , how can i subscribe and how much does it cost ?
I just want to point out that Henry Sue developed a more artistic and softer version of Tong Long, they're not the best, not even close to it. Circular motion delivers less momentum, in your more traditional tong long you're being taught to kill them in your first two to three strikes. There's no fucking about or grappling, you beat the other person to death with your palms or the bottom of your fist before they can even blink. You condition your body to a point where they'll break their own hand trying to hit you. I can't really even tell if these guys are training properly or not, some of the masters from Hong Kong look really skinny because they train their tendons as opposed to their muscles, but I really doubt every single one of these guys are doing that. Otherwise they should look like a roided up pit bull from all the training they should be doing.
Edit: I mean I guess it's a lot better than the softer sport based martial arts like Taekwondo and Ju Jitsu, but it's still a massive insult to the guys who originally taught them.
This is a really interesting perspective. I'm going to jump in here before the trolls do. Clearly you know a bit about the style. I'm far from senior in the system, but I can say for sure that we still do lots of conditioning. I think we train a more circular style and incorporate cotton palm and tai chi, but I think this is to train sensitivity in a real fight. I don't know enough to say which is better.. I know what we get told in class, but I'm not going to reproduce that here with absolutely no real world experience to back it up :) The circular style helps chain strikes, the sensitivity obviously is know when to counter hard vs strong. I'd be surprised if traditional chow gar didn't teach some form of sensitivity... soft beats hard and vice versa. Maybe it's just a spectrum. We don't train grappling in the traditional sense, more trapping/locking/covering... and absolutely the aim is to bridge gap and kill/maim within the first few strikes.
This video is very old, before the name "circular tong long" existed i think. So things have progressed and even some of the people in the video are no longer part of the organisation. Even so, they are masters, so I think it's fair to say that something that looks weak in this vid probably hurts a lot in realy life haha. My sifu is in there so I know for sure as the smallest out of that group he absolutely packs a punch...
For me part of the appeal of HSTL is the organisation, the camaraderie and to have a GM who is constantly adding new things and evolving the style (and lives an hour from me!). Obviously these things are very subjective depending on what you want in a martial art.
Anyway, cheers for the considered comment! I just stumbled on this while checking out this video.. heh
Sorry buddy below, this is far from Wing Chun and work on a completely different set of principles and rotations.. maybe they are both relaxed for speed but that about it.. I was given a wooden dummy from a Tong Long friend (because he broke all the arms off in one jong) who trained with Terry in the vid here... and Terry was exceptional back then.. holy shit.. I chose WC but CGTL is as pro as it gets.. Spar against a Tong long guy (if you can last that long) and you will see what i mean.. but like Wing Chun you have to pull the strikes as to not kill the opponent, so it doesnt look a devastating as it actually is.. but it is..
Saint Mars Choy lee futers dont think so
Saint Mars You honestly believe Hung Gar is superior to Mantis? Your unbiased opinion. I read the Choy Lee Fut beats them all in Hong Kong
Saint Mars What about the rooftop fights that supposedly took place in the 50's. I heard from both sides that CLF and WC had a real beef back then
the 3 dominating hong kong martial arts in 50s were yip man wing chun, choy li fut and southern praying mantis.
really?? why they did not beat yip man, wong shun leung, william cheung and bruce lee??? i did read another book
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cool style, chow gar enhanced. I haven't seen HK chow gar expressed that way at all.
probably how your sibling fights
Fucking respect .......
Mantis 7stars?
Southern Mantis
They need to work on their speed a little
I wonder if people training in that ever get accidentally blinded.
well it looks cool, but any decent wrestler would double-leg these guys and its over.
***** Oh really? Avoid how? They jump out of the way somehow evading a wrestler shooting for their legs? Show me ANY proof of that.
***** You calling me "angry" and "bra" wont justify your statements. I laugh at your pathetic tries to avoid making real arguments.
Oh... so your explanation is that they'd move very fast and strike the wrestler coming in on the head? Its funny how we havent seen any wing chun fighter use that move in any fight against a wrestler right?
While we are making stuff up, here is how I would take down a wing chun fighter:
Id just run in behind him and choke him out. You know, you would think that wouldnt be possible..but if I just did it very fast then its a viable move!:D
***** why not try to quote correctly, I said "avoid".
Still, show me some proof of your claims and I will comment on that proof, until now youre just making up theories, which anyone can do.
***** You like every other bullshido fanboy cant talk about MMA without saying "its the MMA "SPORT" or "ITS NOT REAL WORLD" etc. But yet there is no proof at all. I am not hating on martial artists, there are people within every discipline that are very dedicated, well trained and capable. But to bullshit and imagine a stand-up boxing-style art has some kind of magical speed-move that protects them at grapplers is only bullshit, and nothing else. I trained TKD for several years, and I love the discipline, dedication and workout aspects of it. And its alot of fun! But never did I fool myself into believing that i could perform some 360 spin kick against a charging wrestler. The only complete martial artist is one that trains many disciplines, hence MMA. We have proof of that, but not of some magical art that surpasses all other arts (because it doesnt exist!).
***** I never said a legshot is impossible to defend. But the efficient way is not to somehow jump out of the way, that just doesnt work against a skilled wrestler (they are also very fast and they are not "diving off balance").
TKD kicks are strong but absolutely not a good street defence. Thats also what I said.
Its obvious youre one of those purists who really hate MMA (saying its "thuggish" and "men grappling eachother on the ground"). It is however, the proven best way of fighting, all in all. Also its the only place where we have actually been able to see purist martial artists test their style against wrestlers, grapplers, and people who mix several arts. The outcome is that we know that a mix of systems is better than one single system.
Excellent system, but the video was clearly sped up to make it seem it is faster than what it really is...
Saint Mars
Clearly you're brain is slower since you're the one thinks this is sped up
no, it's a normal speed in southern Chinese Kung-fu( contrast to northern Chinese Kung-fu), try watching a hong-kong movie" Ip-Man," the wing-chin style is also as fast as this( or faster), they were originated from southern China.
Not sped up at all, I trained there for20 years, this is actual speed
How are you conditioning your body to be weapons? Hardening your shins or fingers through impact/micro fractures. How are you training to fight if you aren't physically and cognitively engaging a threat with the tools you're going to use? Paul Vunak is a great example of proper and purposeful training leads to the effective violent results necessary to survive. This is a question to all martial artists on here. I train for combat not sports, that means to kill. Weapons, eye gouging, biting off ears, etc. Go against someone who's psychologically determined and physically trained themselves to perform and tested themselves in real fights. No rules or expectations of letting them walk away. You don't understand real violence. Come at a person with your MMA who has a box cutter hidden and see how bad your day is. My respects to all martial arts.
You sure do look deadly, David. Wow!
what is this style?
slap chun in chinese slap kune do in catonese
choreograp fighting effective only is chinese kung fooled film
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it seems wing chun
Wing Chun uses the opponent's momentum and translates it into hitting, while Mantis uses your strength to break your opponent's momentum and to quickly strike.
Open a school in Perth, please?
Oh sure,,,just for you and your boyfriends...
@@TheStrataminor people who project Gayness on others are usually closeted Gay guys themselves.
Mantis Kung fu better than wing chin Kung fu
nope
@@seky123 yes
@@CS-pw3xy actually i agree now
@@seky123 nice, glad you now see it. Peace.
@@CS-pw3xy yeah tong long has more variety and it's circular which is more powerful then just centerline
I'd really love to be there when all you strip mall mma experts try and defend your life from a person on the street who you think wanted a athletic competition and instead wanted your money or your life or both...just bet you want be talking how realistic your training is then
Would get destroyed by boxers. Open to hook cross and kidney shot. This is ok for lower level street defence. Would get leg sweeped immediately by me. To upright . But good for women and some street defence. No power generated at hips no good use side kick low kick. Chin to exposed. As u know no.world champions from this style. Mc Dojo un athletic mumbo jumbo.
I do not know if I agree with you..but some of these techniques if done well may work for the jab cross hook combination...they tend to get really close and poke and strike the throat and stuff and like I said they do not fight in the punching range ..but the trapping .ie they get close ..and yes that kick may work..if your in the right kicking position..which you won't be able to hold if they get that Pocky and close.
Footwork would factor in quite a bit, yes...then the chess match, striking, counter-striking
@@AnilKumar-kg8kz The real mantis should feed him to its illegality of equilibrium....
Mantis strikes with poison, if you know how.....
Problem is this, you get a burly muscly idiot throwing punches, and you need a lot of power to fight him off....something like Hung Gar or Shaolin (Xiao Hong form techniques) that blocks and hits like a freight train is needed..yes Mantis looks cool but there is not enough power here to stop a really strong opponent...I have studied Wing Chun and the close range chain punches have the similar problem, they are easily side stepped and wiped out but big haymaker punches....look at Choy Li Fut vs Wing Chun in the ring, and Choy Li Fut is powerful and gives very solid attacks without these more lighter slappy moves that Mantis has (no offence, as Mantis is very cool, just saying on the street you may need some serious power). However I am happy to be proven wrong! Peace to all!!
Hey, the video is good, not bad, but this is not mantis this is wing chun
***** well i saw this video with a friend of mine who complete the whole family and subsystem of mantis and he say this is not mantis as per his experience, actually if you see master wong works with wing chun, JKD and hes WC is very familiar to this one, anyway again good video i really like it, many good applications
***** thank you for your reply but you sound very defensive and I never said he was master Wong. just compared the similarities of their style (very flashy and center line oriented). . Btw my friend is not a Liar... if you want I can do a video with him.. and do you have any videos of "GM" henry sue fighting full contact or any sparring videos other than demos? I would life to see this Mantis applications against a full resistant opponent... and who are you sir? Nice to meet you! my name is Sergio
This is definitely not wing chun, lots of similarities as wing chun is a southern style as well and some of wing chun comes from mantis. Which is obvious to see when you watch this.
But this is not wing chun.
ZCAVS ok
+Martial Arts Tutorials & Fight tips ok...
so are you saying you don't think it's wing chun now?
Love Mantis rapid strikes great power too 👍💪👊