Shop Talk yeah you are right within reason. had a pal called blue covered head to toe in tattoos hence the name, he was in the dock when the magistrate walked in and the usher called please stand to which we all did, anyway the magistrate looks at blue with a look as if blue had murdered his hole family and said this is where you stand Mr blue, to which all of 5 foot nothing blue says, but I am standing. Anyway it doesn’t sound funny now but at the time and in the stressful setting of a court room everyone burst including the magistrate who was apologetic. Only time for me I’ve seen a human side to these normally robotic people. In general they are pretty moody not the one you rely on to get the party started 😂
@ 17:50 "move to strike as unresponsive...."; "you were a police officer"; "you testified at trials before, correct?"; "you know how a witness is asked questions, correct?"; "you know what a proper response to a question is, don't you..." and back to the theory of the case. brilliant! Will surely use this the next time I find a witness unresponsive on cross! Thank you, Mr. Orden, for your lessons.
Yes! Such a Smooth and Excellent way to correct & and Go back to the case with your Question being answered Properly! This guy was Astounding! Even for a Mock trial!
They key to being a good attorney is thinking of being in court as like being a theatre. You have to give a performance. If you actually listen to what he's saying nothing is that complex or intellectually challenging. He's just a brilliant performer. That's what it's all anout.
Matt Stocks I don't see him as a brilliant performer. Might be a regional thing; he sounds like he's from New York; but he seems like an arrogant dick to me.
I'm looking at going to law school I would like to do federal defense work, I have succeeded pretty heavily and mock trial and can't get enough of case law. This was an awesome watch.
I am loving his way of story telling 😍🙌🏻 awesomeeeee!!!!!!! Thank you for posting this, as a young lawyer am feeling so lucky to be able to watch this 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
When I was in my first year 23 years ago 😳 we watched the OJ Simpson trial as one Ls. Fascinating to have court on tv then much less Johnny Cochran. Good luck with your career. Trial work is hard, but rewarding.
You need to watch this over and over and over before you even take a single case. Cross examination is the most important part of your job and struggling with it he’s not gonna do any client any good. You have no business taking a single case and tell you mastered this
alistair lee Of course its a mock trial do you think the people watching proceedings would be allowed to laugh out loud and clap and behave like that? or that opposing counsel would say "my dog ate my copy" or that people would be able to lounge on the floor of the court room?? no way!
Mr. (attorney) Orden does it again. What an impressive cross examination strategy during this firearm/shooting case. This guy is one of the sharpest criminal defense attorneys in the country and certainly in the Northeast corridor. Just wondering how long he prepared for this...?? :-) Nice job Stewart.. The damn judge even looked intimidated by this guy. Yes, he's that good. Watch the video and you will see for yourself..
Lawyers in Connecticut Honestly, if he tried acting that way outside of the northeast corridor, it might not play well. I grew up in the rural Midwest, and he seems like a dick.
i actually like this cross examination questioning because it's really confronting the defendant face to face. I'm very interested in taking law as a career I would like advice from you
Awesome video, most lawyers conduct a mock trial to asses a case. If having any thoughts o becoming a lawyer or getting a lawyer go the the best ones that can offer you advises and guidance.
Even The Prosecution was Intimidated by this guy, and Even Complimented on His Cross Examination! I'm 13 and This video Inspires me All the more to become a Defense Attorney. And I sure hope I can.
so much for professionalism, theres a life at stake there, and the lawyer is laughing at times, and so is the judge, and so are the visitors on the seats . bravo. -.-
Please tell me you are joking... There is no life at stake here it isn't real so what if they laughed sometimes it was a mock trial. Even the best actors laugh sometimes when doing scenes...
XD I would laugh too! The prosecution was the best guy there "Um My Dog ate my Copy" LOL You could even see the Accused laughing! I'm pretty sure if this was real, the Accused Would not be chuckling as he is.
This witness is a dim witted guy not accustomed to being in court. Most cops have been there so many times, that they know how to neutralize sneaky lawyer tricks like demanding yes and no for questions. If a lawyer ask you a question, you can answer any way you want and the judge will allow it. This lawyer voiced his opinion and phrased them as questions. A cop would have countered all his leading questions. Like asking if the gun recoiled 15 degrees. That depends on the strength of the person, the experience with firearms, etc. It could recoil any amount due to many factors. What this is about is how lawyers will try to control a witness and the line of opinions , er, I mean questions presented to a witness.
yoyo762 Sorry you cannot answer a question as you wish. A lawyer is absolutely entitled to a yes or no answer in response to a question that calls for ir and anything else will be stricken as "non-responsive" Most cops get destroyed on cross by a quality lawyer.
***** I don't actually know wether cops' attitude to successfully face cross before a well prepared lawyer - like Mr. Orden clearly appeared to be - depends on their IQ. Though in Italy things run pretty differently (not in most serious cases) in almost 13 years of criminal practice i've seen many clever detectives, but nonetheless most of those tough policemen found themselves caught in trouble when they faced a well-prepared lawyer. In my opinion what makes a difference in this video is the emotional impact; Mr. Orden showed how to point the emotional factor against the person who first sold it for the jury's sake. Cross is definitively a matter of "control vs. emotion". It doesn't mean a cross-examiner must forget humanity, but - and this is a pretty good clinic on this field - it must be able to control that by showing to the trier of fact (jury or judge) the dark side of it, the kind of side no witness would easily like to admit. The cop was prepared, but not enough controlled; Mr. Orden was stronger in controlling, and the compelling use of leading questions when the cop tries to get away with compromising answer shows it. Beyond any reasonable doubt. Well done. P.S.: why no objection? Suppose many objections; what would a juror think of a plenty of objections...?
Trial Lawyer New York Actually this mock trial is just that, a mock trial. In most trials today, the attorney must stand at a podium and ask questions. This dance around stuff is not allowed anymore. Second, a seasoned cop can slow a attorney down with requests to repeat questions, clarify questions or just taking time to answer. And don't think PAs won't start objecting just to derail a attorney's line of thought.
yoyo762 I just wanted to sincerely thank you for telling us that this is a mock trial. At approx. 1:45 into watching this video, my mind starts to question things. The laughter, the giddiness of the people sitting in the gallows and most peculiar thing of all; the Judge literally hanging over the side of the barrier that separates him from the accused. I noticed that the JUDGE was smirking or at the very least, was cracking a small but definite smile. (2:00 - 2:08) I started to take notes because the laughter and the general "oddness" continued. By minute 3:00, I was determined to find out the where/what/why of this proceedings and add it to my ever-growing on-going project of compiling a list: Internet Defective Detective Findings. Thank you for sparing me the time I would have wasted doing the research homework on that ;-) Perhaps you might be able to answer a question for me that I have always been dying to know. When a person earns a degree to practice the law, are they obligated to spend a certain period of time practicing as a Defense Attorney before they are eligible to practice as a Prosecuting Lawyer? The reason I ask this is that when I watch court proceedings (such as the Jodi Arias Trial or the John Houser trial) I so often wonder how in the hell can these lawyer's stomach themselves when they look the mirror every morning before they go off to defend some scumbag that clearly isn't innocent? My conscience just couldn't be soothed with the "everyone is innocent until proven guilty" mantra, especially when they are trying cases where it is so obvious that they are defending are truly evil and guilty criminals. I imagine that having a career practicing Law could be quite a rewarding vocation - but if I had to defend people that I knew were dangerous and should not be anywhere but locked in a jail cell, I would imagine that I would be very unhappy & disillusioned with the choice of my vocation.
Eve Barrett-Drew I wonder if your musings at the ethical quandary that defense attorneys might have over defending someone who you deem to be a bad person, apply to prosecutors who attack those who are charged by police with a crime with little or no real evidence they did anything wrong? What about prosecutors trying to jail someone who they really feel is not guilty of what the cops charge them for? Do prosecutors sleep well at night when someone gets 30 years over a crime the prosecutor doesn't genuinely think did the crime? You sound like someone who advocates for the communist system where your defense attorney stands up and incriminates you the best he can.
I want all the attorneys to be attorney Ogden. But the sad reality is only 1% of attorneys are as good as this guy. The rest of them are riding the blueline gang tattoos and T-shirts supporting these cops all the way.
What's the case? I don't know if I believe this. The guy says he was a Sergeant First Class in the Marine Corps. 6 years you couldn't get to be a SNCO in the Corps but Sergeant First Class is an Army rank.
The Judge is a sitting supreme court judge. The lawyer playing the prosecutor is world renowned and the witness was a prosecutor and now a judge as well. Thus us as real as it gets outside a courtroom. And nobody says hold it.
Loving the fact, that the Judge is on the edge of his seat during this cross examination.
LegendLength Yep it’s some bullshit for sure you would be thrown out for laughing not to mention the judge was kinda laughing at the start.
@@sharkbite5744 I have def seen judges laugh and joke... I guess it really depends on the judge
Shop Talk yeah you are right within reason. had a pal called blue covered head to toe in tattoos hence the name, he was in the dock when the magistrate walked in and the usher called please stand to which we all did, anyway the magistrate looks at blue with a look as if blue had murdered his hole family and said this is where you stand Mr blue, to which all of 5 foot nothing blue says, but I am standing. Anyway it doesn’t sound funny now but at the time and in the stressful setting of a court room everyone burst including the magistrate who was apologetic. Only time for me I’ve seen a human side to these normally robotic people. In general they are pretty moody not the one you rely on to get the party started 😂
Amazing! We did this same case as a mock trial when I took Government class in high school! The jury gave him involuntary manslaughter.
CadgeLeWool what is the case?
Involuntary manslaughter outrageous
All those people complaining about the laughing... guys, this is a mock trial. John Diamond is a practice case used in law studies.
Yeah I kinda got the clue by the guy in the first row blue shirt eating a submarine sandwich and chugging down a 2 liter soda.😂😂
Thank you. I just tuned in but had no clue.
@ 17:50 "move to strike as unresponsive...."; "you were a police officer"; "you testified at trials before, correct?"; "you know how a witness is asked questions, correct?"; "you know what a proper response to a question is, don't you..." and back to the theory of the case.
brilliant! Will surely use this the next time I find a witness unresponsive on cross! Thank you, Mr. Orden, for your lessons.
Yes! Such a Smooth and Excellent way to correct & and Go back to the case with your Question being answered Properly! This guy was Astounding! Even for a Mock trial!
They key to being a good attorney is thinking of being in court as like being a theatre. You have to give a performance. If you actually listen to what he's saying nothing is that complex or intellectually challenging. He's just a brilliant performer. That's what it's all anout.
Matt Stocks I don't see him as a brilliant performer. Might be a regional thing; he sounds like he's from New York; but he seems like an arrogant dick to me.
Adam x right. Lawyers are notorious for their genuine, caring demeanor.
Will Dasher Straw Man fallacy. Nothing in between zero and one hundred, right?
Adam x haha not denying it, but it was more of a sarcastic snip than an argument (:
Persuasion vs facts . Persuasion is more powerful
Interesting cross examination! This actually makes a lot of sense. You’ve put some great information together here.
the judge is loving life a little too much haha
Sir, excellent cross examination and excellent video! I enjoyed watching this video clip again. I want to be a trial lawyer as well. 👌🏾
Judge “ you’ll stand when you make an objection”
Judge nearly slouches out of his seat 13 mins later
Damn, god forbid if I ever have any serious legal trouble, I want this guy in my corner.
I'm looking at going to law school I would like to do federal defense work, I have succeeded pretty heavily and mock trial and can't get enough of case law. This was an awesome watch.
Incredibly impressive. "Right? Right? RIGHT!?!?!?!" Love this guy
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Alabama 😂
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I am loving his way of story telling 😍🙌🏻 awesomeeeee!!!!!!! Thank you for posting this, as a young lawyer am feeling so lucky to be able to watch this 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Watch Irving Younger if you want to learn, not this guy.
When I was in my first year 23 years ago 😳 we watched the OJ Simpson trial as one Ls. Fascinating to have court on tv then much less Johnny Cochran. Good luck with your career. Trial work is hard, but rewarding.
The jury claps at the end!
You, sir, are incredible.
both lawyers playing mind games. Judge looks thrilled!
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Thank Christ this is a demo because I was going to say, “If that witness is actually 33”....
That took great concentration. Excellent presentation.
I doubt you’ll ever hear or see clapping in a court room today! This was phenomenal, great work! Very interesting to watch you work Mr.Orden.
It is a mock trial not real
Great stuff..you definately do your job well.
Where are the "OBJECTION" "TAKE THAT" and "HOLD IT" ..? ; _ ;
Trilleen Phoenix
OBJECT TO FORM!
“I’m sorry your honor the dog ate my copy of the transcript” was also really good
Thank you for this. I'm a law student aiming to work in litigation. Struggling with cross examination. I do great otherwise!!! Great video.
Search for "Terry MacCarthy cross-examination"
You need to watch this over and over and over before you even take a single case. Cross examination is the most important part of your job and struggling with it he’s not gonna do any client any good. You have no business taking a single case and tell you mastered this
I like how the judge has an ever-so-slight smirk upon his face as the lawyer is talking about how much time the defendant might have to do. :-/
alistair lee ...and now I read its a mock trial.
alistair lee Of course its a mock trial do you think the people watching proceedings would be allowed to laugh out loud and clap and behave like that? or that opposing counsel would say "my dog ate my copy" or that people would be able to lounge on the floor of the court room?? no way!
Is there a full video of this mock trial starting from the opening statement? I know there's this video and the closing argument on CZcams.
Thanks Mr. Orden, nice work.
Simply, Brilliant, articulate 👍
Used his lines of questioning in our moot court back when I was in law school. And we won. 🍻
Let's be honest here...
...we're all ace attorney fans.
123fendas *OBJECTION!*
XD
:D
Phoenix Wright Overruled! :)
bau bau *BULLSHIT!*
_Wait, what was the rating of this game again?_
XD
Phoenix Wright :D :D :D
Oh... 'right if it's bullshit than i'll sustain the objection! No judge wants decisions reversed because of bullshit..... :D
Mr. (attorney) Orden does it again. What an impressive cross examination strategy during this firearm/shooting case. This guy is one of the sharpest criminal defense attorneys in the country and certainly in the Northeast corridor. Just wondering how long he prepared for this...?? :-) Nice job Stewart..
The damn judge even looked intimidated by this guy. Yes, he's that good. Watch the video and you will see for yourself..
Thanks. Who is this? stewartorden@stewartorden.com
I am sitting here in awwe sir Orden!!!! : )))) Just found this video and I look forward to viewing MORE of you: )
Lawyers in Connecticut Honestly, if he tried acting that way outside of the northeast corridor, it might not play well.
I grew up in the rural Midwest, and he seems like a dick.
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The beginning of this cross examination has a hook that instantly invites people to pay attention.
i actually like this cross examination questioning because it's really confronting the defendant face to face. I'm very interested in taking law as a career I would like advice from you
Excellent video a pleasure to watch.
Man I love the defendant's lawyer too lol
Awesome content.
breath takin cross exmanination,, really hilarous as well well done
It was very interesting viewing this trial video.
can you please enlighten me why asking hypothetical questions were not objected to in this case? thanks.
Great CX questions!
Every question is a leading question :)
It's cross examination
thats the paradox of knowledge
Leading questions are allowed during cross examination.
Awesome video, most lawyers conduct a mock trial to asses a case. If having any thoughts o becoming a lawyer or getting a lawyer go the the best ones that can offer you advises and guidance.
Why is the public gallery laughing and applauding so much - seems kind of inappropriate during a murder trial
Its an exhibition.
yes, i agree - it seems inappropriate in a trial of this kind
Seems fake
@@Sumiyeco_boutique Yo guys its a mock trial, its not real
It’s a mock trial. It’s often used as a contest trial. Look up “Trudy Doyle murder”.
so good! thanks!
After 36:00 Cornered Theme starts playing.
interesting video - thanks for sharing
Speachless
You're awesome!!!
Yes just doing a demo for lawyers and students, thanks
Wait this is fake?
@Chiefkyle looks like it - see the students laughing in the background. A judge will normally tell them to stop laughing in normal courts👏👏
Mr orden yes or no, did u have a pastrami sandwich in New York city prior to this?
Mr odren yes or no
Bang, Bang.
into the room
I wonder what he would say if the guy said "Your sex life is your own business sir"?
Can't hear. Very low volume. Gotta go.
Is a witness response admissible on the record when a question is withdrawn?
I'm confused... why was the defense attorney clapping?
There’s no way that man 33 years old
Did anybody catch the nice save starting at 35:25
Interesting...
Can someone please tell me what case this is? Who is the defendant??
"You knew if Trudy was gonna break your heart you were gonna blow her's out, didn't you?"
The judge's face says it all XD 51:17
wheres th audio
Man I wish I can be that good
Were you implying that he made a mistake in his course of action??
Impressive technique
Best trial lawyer of all time
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Really good stuff
Even The Prosecution was Intimidated by this guy, and Even Complimented on His Cross Examination! I'm 13 and This video Inspires me All the more to become a Defense Attorney. And I sure hope I can.
@@elockthethird9643 nope lmao way too much work and seems miserable for the most part.
My only question would be - how long does it take this guy to "do" his hair?
Is that a mock trial?
Most impressive
so much for professionalism, theres a life at stake there, and the lawyer is laughing at times, and so is the judge, and so are the visitors on the seats . bravo. -.-
Please tell me you are joking... There is no life at stake here it isn't real so what if they laughed sometimes it was a mock trial. Even the best actors laugh sometimes when doing scenes...
XD I would laugh too! The prosecution was the best guy there "Um My Dog ate my Copy" LOL You could even see the Accused laughing! I'm pretty sure if this was real, the Accused Would not be chuckling as he is.
who got here because of ace attorney?? XD
Jup, AA:PW Is da beast!
And AA:TT
omg yes XD and.. They're not doing the "OBJECTION" "TAKE THAT" and "HOLD IT" stuff -cries-
Trilleen Phoenix *OBJECTION!*
_Ace Attourney YAY_
Phoenix Wright HOLD IT!
/slams table/
Mr. Wright... WHY ARE YOU UNABLE TO SPELL YOUR OWN OCCUPATION CORRECTLY?!
whats with the laughing peanut gallery?
This has to be a mock trail
What was the outcome of the trial?
This witness is a dim witted guy not accustomed to being in court. Most cops have been there so many times, that they know how to neutralize sneaky lawyer tricks like demanding yes and no for questions. If a lawyer ask you a question, you can answer any way you want and the judge will allow it.
This lawyer voiced his opinion and phrased them as questions. A cop would have countered all his leading questions.
Like asking if the gun recoiled 15 degrees. That depends on the strength of the person, the experience with firearms, etc. It could recoil any amount due to many factors.
What this is about is how lawyers will try to control a witness and the line of opinions , er, I mean questions presented to a witness.
yoyo762 Sorry you cannot answer a question as you wish. A lawyer is absolutely entitled to a yes or no answer in response to a question that calls for ir and anything else will be stricken as "non-responsive" Most cops get destroyed on cross by a quality lawyer.
***** I don't actually know wether cops' attitude to successfully face cross before a well prepared lawyer - like Mr. Orden clearly appeared to be - depends on their IQ. Though in Italy things run pretty differently (not in most serious cases) in almost 13 years of criminal practice i've seen many clever detectives, but nonetheless most of those tough policemen found themselves caught in trouble when they faced a well-prepared lawyer.
In my opinion what makes a difference in this video is the emotional impact; Mr. Orden showed how to point the emotional factor against the person who first sold it for the jury's sake. Cross is definitively a matter of "control vs. emotion". It doesn't mean a cross-examiner must forget humanity, but - and this is a pretty good clinic on this field - it must be able to control that by showing to the trier of fact (jury or judge) the dark side of it, the kind of side no witness would easily like to admit.
The cop was prepared, but not enough controlled; Mr. Orden was stronger in controlling, and the compelling use of leading questions when the cop tries to get away with compromising answer shows it. Beyond any reasonable doubt.
Well done.
P.S.: why no objection? Suppose many objections; what would a juror think of a plenty of objections...?
Trial Lawyer New York Actually this mock trial is just that, a mock trial. In most trials today, the attorney must stand at a podium and ask questions. This dance around stuff is not allowed anymore. Second, a seasoned cop can slow a attorney down with requests to repeat questions, clarify questions or just taking time to answer. And don't think PAs won't start objecting just to derail a attorney's line of thought.
yoyo762 I just wanted to sincerely thank you for telling us that this is a mock trial. At approx. 1:45 into watching this video, my mind starts to question things. The laughter, the giddiness of the people sitting in the gallows and most peculiar thing of all; the Judge literally hanging over the side of the barrier that separates him from the accused. I noticed that the JUDGE was smirking or at the very least, was cracking a small but definite smile. (2:00 - 2:08) I started to take notes because the laughter and the general "oddness" continued. By minute 3:00, I was determined to find out the where/what/why of this proceedings and add it to my ever-growing on-going project of compiling a list: Internet Defective Detective Findings. Thank you for sparing me the time I would have wasted doing the research homework on that ;-)
Perhaps you might be able to answer a question for me that I have always been dying to know. When a person earns a degree to practice the law, are they obligated to spend a certain period of time practicing as a Defense Attorney before they are eligible to practice as a Prosecuting Lawyer? The reason I ask this is that when I watch court proceedings (such as the Jodi Arias Trial or the John Houser trial) I so often wonder how in the hell can these lawyer's stomach themselves when they look the mirror every morning before they go off to defend some scumbag that clearly isn't innocent? My conscience just couldn't be soothed with the "everyone is innocent until proven guilty" mantra, especially when they are trying cases where it is so obvious that they are defending are truly evil and guilty criminals. I imagine that having a career practicing Law could be quite a rewarding vocation - but if I had to defend people that I knew were dangerous and should not be anywhere but locked in a jail cell, I would imagine that I would be very unhappy & disillusioned with the choice of my vocation.
Eve Barrett-Drew I wonder if your musings at the ethical quandary that defense attorneys might have over defending someone who you deem to be a bad person, apply to prosecutors who attack those who are charged by police with a crime with little or no real evidence they did anything wrong?
What about prosecutors trying to jail someone who they really feel is not guilty of what the cops charge them for? Do prosecutors sleep well at night when someone gets 30 years over a crime the prosecutor doesn't genuinely think did the crime?
You sound like someone who advocates for the communist system where your defense attorney stands up and incriminates you the best he can.
What a legend
I would argue that aim can in fact be HEIGHTENED while under pressure, instead of it degrading.
You should be an actor lawyer for movies. Like Lincoln Lawyer
What tv show is this
Was it real or just a lesson?
What's happened in the end if it was real trail??
I want to be like Attorney Orden when I grow up!
I want all the attorneys to be attorney Ogden. But the sad reality is only 1% of attorneys are as good as this guy. The rest of them are riding the blueline gang tattoos and T-shirts supporting these cops all the way.
I believe it's a mock trial.
If love to know the context of the case.
Yeah I was wondering why the audience gave it no thought to laugh, joke, talk, and clap at the end...I am enjoying these though
Is it a mock trial or not? It's hard to tell.
Agree only video where i didnt notice it staged fast
What happened here. What was the end result
Today this gonna be argumentative
Impressive ♥️
33 years old? Holy shit, he looks mid 50s
Witness stated his age is 33? May I remind you, you are under oath 🤣
This guy is a lawyer?
Personal Injury?
Tell me why that big guy in back seated looks like josh from drake and josh
Was this for the OJ Simpson trial?
What kind of question is that!!?? Bang bang !!?? Huh
Do we know the name of the Trial Lawyer ? or even what case this is ?
RockTheEuCapital Stewart L. Orden
What's the case? I don't know if I believe this. The guy says he was a Sergeant First Class in the Marine Corps. 6 years you couldn't get to be a SNCO in the Corps but Sergeant First Class is an Army rank.
beautiful.
Can't hear it
Is it a mock trial?
Yes. A demonstration. The crime was fictional.
I don't see how this could be fake. No way this prosecutor is that good of an actor
There were at least 32 Objections during this video but the defense lawyer did not say a word. He must be a public defender.
The Judge is a sitting supreme court judge. The lawyer playing the prosecutor is world renowned and the witness was a prosecutor and now a judge as well. Thus us as real as it gets outside a courtroom. And nobody says hold it.
What college did this lawyer studied?
Stewart Orden
Is this a mock trial? Please Sir, I’d appreciate you answering