Mirage F1s Shoot Down F-14 Tomcats (Iran-Iraq War)
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- The war between Iran and Iraq started in 1980 and initially, Iraqi Air Force suffered greatly the the most modern and potent fighter in Iranian arsenal - F-14 Tomcat. Their MiG-21s and MiG-23s had no answer for Tomcat's radar and missiles. In 1981, the French started to deliver their Mirage F1s to the Iraqis. This third generation fighter wasn't on par with the F-14, but was an improvement nevertheless. And with some creative tactics, it could be used effectively against it. Were the Iraqis successful in shooting down any Tomcats? Find out in this video featuring the first new jet fighter module in DCS World in over two and a half years - Mirage F1.
Sources:
- Tom Cooper, Milos Sipos - Iraqi Mirages - Dassault Mirage Family in Service with Iraqi Air Force 1981-1988
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- The Story of the Giraffe Missions and how IrAF Mirage F.1 fighter bombers were able to shoot down four IRIAF F-14 Tomcats
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It's rarely a question of who is flying the "better" aircraft, but rather of being in the right place at the right time and knowing how to exploit the opportunity.
Exactly, there are dozens of factors which decide the outcome of air battles. A more capable aircraft gives you more options but nothing is guaranteed. I laughed my head off when on some videos, some people tried to 'prove' that it was impossible for an aircraft to shoot down another simply because the victim belonged to a more recent generation.
@@showtime112YES THANK YOI
Maverick was rather lucky he faced an SU-57 and not an F-1
Correct F1s ruled :-)
Probably will be dead 😂
@@arno222444yeah the Mitsubishi F-1 was so good :trolge:
you must say that Maverick was rather lucky he face an su57 and not sneaky attacked by f1
SU57 soviet/russian trash works only on paper and propaganda
According to "Iraqi Mirages in Combat" by M. Garcia five IRIAF F-14As were shot down by Iraqi Mirages between 1981-1988. Great use of DCS to narrate military aviation history!
Keep up the good work Showtime!
I sure will, thank you for your support!
In the Iran-Iraq war iranians tomcats shot down around 30 mirages loosing 4 i repeat 4 tomcats by the hands of mirage F1s.still the exchange ratio is nothing to be proud of for the mirage
@@slate4687 Tactics, pilot training, AWACS/GCI, armaments, maintenance, fuel state, environmental conditions, etc etc etc will all interact to play a part in determining the outcome of a given air combat encounter. Boiling it down to F-14: 30 Mirage F1's: 4 therefore checkmate Tomcat is missing the larger point. The F-14 may well be a much more formidable platform, but all those other less glamorous factors were equally (if not more) important.
@@slate4687the mirage were used mainly for precision strikes and antiship mission, and youk now what at the end of the war the iraqi had the Air surperiority over the battlefield, therefore there is a lot of fairytales about the iran Iraq war, like a tomcat killing 3 mig-23 with one AIM54.
@@SOMUA99 what make me laugh about your statement is : you can see with your eyes the majority of iranian pilota who flew the tomcat in the iran-iraq war are still alive and healthy nowaday but at the same time the iraqui pilots who flew that war are like ghosts can t find them nowhere...why?!
This is what I've been looking for some years. An interesting data of France made fighters againts US made. The point is no matter how sophisticated your equipment is, it is still can be outrun by smart and best prepared tactics.
Thank you for the feedback! The challenge of more advanced fighters on the other side obviously forced the Iraqis to be creative.
And this is why you need AWACS. Notice Iraq had first hand knowledge of this tactic, but did not use it successfully in either gulf war. A friend of mine told the Iranians were using the Tomcats as a form improvised AWACs.
As for the F-14s, everyone in the West believed that that's all the Iranians were able to use their F-14s. New info emerged in the mean time but the mini-AWACS role is confirmed.
They were not able to use in gulf war because of overwhelming air power of all sorts, radar jamming, EW suits, AWACS, lot lot fighters of modern era. They were no match of allied forces. Still they scored hits.
I heard somewhere that one of the bigger problems iranian Tomcats had initially was that their RWR could not recognise the French radar signals as threats, so they could actually be snuck up to, locked on and hit... but that was later somehow fixed...
Yes, not just Tomcsts but all Iranian aircraft. Their RWR was hugely superior to those used by Soviet planes in Iraqi service but not programmed to fight Western opponents.
an/alr-45/50 was not desgined to identify aerial threats it only showed pre-identified SAM threats such as SAM-6 ,5 ,2 ....etc it never showed what type of enemy aircraft is but only an indication of an incoming Aerial Interceptor
Another problem was the other missiles the Iranians had. Other than the Phoenix, the F-14s were stuck with rear aspect AIM-9J and older AIM-7E that were inferior to what the Iraquis had in their late MiG-23s and Mirage F1s (R-60MKs, R-24R, Magic 1, Super 530F).
In regards to RWR all were in a rough spot, the ALR-45 in the F-14A wasn't optimized for air to air threats of any type as Cipher commented, their F-5s had no RWR at all and the F-4E would have had similar strobes type RWR as the one in the early F-14A. On the other hand SPO-10 in the MiG-21s and 23s can't tell the threat type and early F1EQs had the CSF-Thomson BF RWR which is similar in presentation to the SPO-10 (just four warning lights with very little threat classification).
Only the very last batch of F1s the Iraquis got, the EQ-6, had a modern digital RWR with threat library classification.
As an Iraqi I want to say amazing video! Even though wars are brutal they are interesting and nice to learn about. The Mirage F1 is one of my favourite jets and this video about it paired with the fact its about the history of my country is awesome.
Thanks for the comment. There will be more videos with Iraqi F1s in the future.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahram_Rostami
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_aerial_victories_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
as an Iranian, I respect for your interest🙏🏼, and my favorite jet is Tomcat 😉
مگه تو بازی بتونی کاری کنی ..بچه برو ببین تامکتها چطور رنده کردن و شخم زدن نیروی هوایی عراق رو ...خخخخخخ
Amazing video and thanks for the great content. It is good to see the F1 in action.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Beautiful recreation of the Iranian F-14 Tomcats. A nice narration and recreation of an interesting & overlooked war. The F-5 Tiger 🐯 looks really good too!!
Thanka for this positive feedback!
@@showtime112any news on f-14 tomcats AM3 model Iran
This was sensational pacing and editing. Thank you!
I appreciate it!
Once more showing that there is more to fighter aviation history than Top Gun mock ups and dogfight videos.
Thanks a lot Showtime, I am sure it takes lots of time to: research the combats and history, learn how to fly these steel beasts in DCS, record and edit the video.
Lovely content as usual and very inspiring (I am a minis player and have re-enacted several combats thanks to your info).
Keep it up!
Thsnks for the comment. You are right, it takes a while to produce videos such as this one. Other channels found ways to put out videos every day but I prefer to keep it like this.
@@showtime112 and I am really grateful for this decision
@@showtime112 Quality over Quantity my dude.
David Forteza del rey, you are absolutely right Sir.
Another exceptional work!! We have temporarily lagged behind, but will catch up soon 😁😁
I appreciate your viewing efforts 😁
Fantastic video! You always outdo yourself :)
Amazing feedback, thanks!
These ocasions were at the beginning of handling the Mirage-F1s to Iraq. They were unknown. later on F14s shot down a Mirage F1 and captured its pilot. By using his information, they shot down F1s one by one and later till the end of the war, nobody was ever directly engaged with F14s
Yes, Iranians found a response for this and no new tactics can really work forever.
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Well done! I didn't know anything about the aerial combat of that war.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Great video and thank for making this I remember that day F14 was damaged and land in Boucher airport
Thank you for commenting and sharing your experience!
Wonderful video and nice footage, I love Mirage. 😍
Greetings from Iraq :)
Thank you for the comment! I'm very happy with the Mirage too 😉
Very interesting and well done video.
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Thanks, glad you liked it!
Great imaging of the event!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
This is the best video I've seen so far👌
Shouldn't you be working instead of watching videos 🤣
@@showtime112daj šuti🤣
I remember once..F15 was paced against the Atlas Cheetah C here in South Africa,guess what was the outcome ! I could not believe it..enjoying your program
Glad to hear it! The story you mention seems familiar but I can't remember the details.
Oh yes, this is what I've been waiting for! Good work as always. I always learn a lot.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@showtime112 I just realized the Tomcats in the video are F-14B instead of F-14A's. Maybe the Iranians had secret F-14B's and that's why they were otherwise so successful! :P
@@aaronjamesDS No, there isn't a proper Iranian skin for the A. {other than the ancient low-poly model). Heatblur will soon release a separate Iranian A model so I'll use that one in the future.
@@showtime112 ah I see. Just in case you're interested, you can actually put the F-14B Iran skin in your F-14A liveries folder and it will work perfectly (unless I'm missing something small, haven't noticed a difference!). The engine nozzles aren't mapped to the skin so I've personally put some of my skins in both folders.
@@aaronjamesDS I actually thought of that but only long after the video was complete and uploaded. I was taking a holiday so I these last videos were made in a mad rush just before it 😁
Who would have thought that the F14 would have such a weakness to giraffes.
Every system has some weakness, you just need to find it.
Every new tactics is the most effective at the beginning. To be objective it needs to be mention F-14 in Iranian service had many weaknesses: best US-trained pilots had been executed or jailed, most of its avionics including RWR and radars was barely operational or didn't work at all due to lack of spare parts and ground crew expertise, most effective weapon supply has been depleted early in the war and US obviously didn't sand more. At the same time Iraqi aircrafts were using their best crews, had constant flow of spare parts and effective weapon and properly skilled ground technicians and working avionics, radars and other systems.
There is very good book written by Iranian F-14 pilot describing this interesting stories from 1st person perspective.
@@bazejs8084 great. But I was only making a joke.
The weakness of f14 is iranian pilot
@@walidqaissi9292 or the fact that they could no longer maintain the F14s after the revolution and that their morale was low after the purge of the armed forces. History is far more complex.
Iranian tomcats shot down around 30 mirage F1s loosing 2-4 tomcats in the process
Exact numbers are hard to come by but generally, Tomcats scored quite a few kills.
@@showtime112 probably more a dozen than 30, simple maths the iraqi lost during the war around 20 Mirage F1, hard to believe that the Tomcat scored every kill.
Make it 50 .lie is free and no tax 🤣
Holy shit iraq lost only 20 in the entire war
But iran downed 30 ☠️
@@ali-haider5788 nah they lost between 30 and 40
Great video.
Glad you appreciate it!
My compliments ! I always wait for your videos with impatience. May I dare a suggestion for new videos ? I was thinking to the war in Libya of 2011. Ok, no aerial duels ... but the re could be, I suppose, ground attacks or CAS missions of interest to be re-enacted by you. What do you think ?
Thanks, good to hear you like the videos. As for Libya in 2011, it is potentially interesting. I like air to ground (even if my viewers don't 😁). I need to find some good sources, I haven't studied this conflict in great detail.
Hope to see more Iran Iraq reenactments. This was a very interesting air war. Both countries were huge and the defense of oil infrastructure was a key objective. Plus shipping lanes, airfields, cities, and front line troops, fighters were spread thin. Did the Iranians run low on Sparrows too? I hope we get a Foxbat module to complete the theater. And a Cobra too of course, Iranians used them well. With the Phantom, will you be able to depict the H3 raid? Lots of refueling over Turkey at 200 feet 😀.
There will be more focus on this conflict, especially when F-4 comes out. We already have the H3 airbase complex on the map. Now, low level refueling might be hard or impossible to do, I'm nor sure if AI can even do it.
Air refuelling at 200ft? Only the Iranians high on their superior opium can tell such a tall one! The H3 raid -as unveiled later- took off from bases in Syria.
Outstanding
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The day of glory for the IrAF and F-1 was July 19 1988, the last day of the war, two F-14 and one F-4 were shot down by Mirage F-1 with the new Super 530D missiles, a pre-production batch was send by France.
On the other side in February 9 1988 the F-14 of Lt Qiyassi shot down 3 Mirage F-1 in one day over the Gulf.
All this come from Tom Cooper´s books.
This is actually a misconception... Super 530D was not exported to Iraq only 530F. Super 530D could be used only with RDI radar or RDM radar upgrades.
It seems that at least two F-14s were shot down by MiG-23s as well. Looking forward to that module too!
@@showtime112 Yes, over the Gulf, the IRIAF "Washed" the lost to iranians Hawk SAMs in the Kharg island
@@kostasrad5579 Maybe, but Cooper say was a flight of Mirage F1EQ-6, the most advanced model, the Super 530D were 30 pre-production missiles, at the time France send the lastest weapons to Iraq, money and combat test
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 According to "Iraqi Mirages in combat" by M. Garcia only 530F was used by Iraqi AF.
Love it 👍
So nice to hear. Thanks.
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عقاب و کلاغ
Hello mate. 8:32 shows à F1EQ6 Livery for ship attack. Nécessary for maritime area.
Registration start by 46XX.
Excellent vidéo
Thanks for commenting!
Instead, 28 Mirage F-1s were shot down by Iranian F-14s
There were many shootdowns. Sadly, it is quite hard for a serious, impartial researcher to get precise data.
the iraqi have lost 22 Mirage F1 during the Iran / Iraq war, including accident/ SAM and kills scored by the F5 and the F4
lovely tomcats
Bravo.Have you any air battle video between Iraqui Mig 29 vs Iranian F14 ? Tanks so much
Thanks for the comment! I don't think such an encounter took place historically.
you should consider doing a video on the massive Battle of El mansoura over egypt during the October 1973 war....Egyptian MiG pilots appear to have toughened up remarkably and losses on both sides appear equal if both sides are honest....one Egyptian pilot, Mohhammed adoub blew a A-4 apart with 30 mm cannon at close range and flew through the debris field and went down himself.......The egyptian air force celebrates this defensive victory to this day
I will cover that story. But there are two very important 'ingredients' which are to be released in DCS. The F-4E Phantom and the Sinai map. I could emulate the real locations with some other desert map but Phantom is a necessity. Exact dates of the release are not yet known.
During the war I witnessed a very low-flying one swiftly traverse the sky as we were on the road towards the south. Remarkable speed, disappearing from view within seconds. Eventually radio broadcast informed us that it had been downed. Possibly the F1 was returning from a bombing run over Tehran.
Later please made a second part of this video with the Iraqi MiG-23MLA, which also was a Tomcat Killer (no les than 3 times they shot down Iranian F-14s)
I intend to but that's gonna wait for the release of MiG-23 module.
What a nice video. How did make to have the S530D on the mirage? I just have the R530 who's not really a medium range missile.
Thanks! There is a mod which enables the Super 530. www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3325091/
mirage F1's Super 530F is just super!
I quite agree Ezio!
Could you do a video on French f1 operations against the Libyan aircraft in the Toyota war?
It is scheduled 😉
Bravo
Thank you for your comment!
It's insane that these persian cats are still maintained by the Iranian air force because there are no more parts for upgrade.
Quite unbelievable. I'm glad some are still flying.
@@showtime112 well nice content bro.
Iran's air force and army uses museum pieces like cars in Cuba because of sanctions. That is why iran focused on drones and ballistic missles, because of all the old junk in their inventory.
Really illustrates the air combat chessgame well
Thanks for the feedback!
Ther are more combate sorties wer they Alicat participate, can You make an other video of this theme?
I intend to. The biggest problem is that DCS replay track never works with the Tomcat module. I have to trial it again to see if anything changed.
My wish come true!!!!!
Good to hear 😁
Cool stuff! 👍🏻😎
How do you like F1 so far?
Thanks! I haven't tested it fully but generally, I'm really glad it was released. Sone might criticize its capabilities but I just love any of the Cold War stuff!
Where was at 5e Escadre de Chasse working on F1C -200, i have had opportunity by a pilot to watch during débriefing HUD vidéo dogfights between French F1C and USN F14A above Méditerranée Sea.
It's easy for F1 with good pilot to turn into F14 radius of turn ,of course with thé help of many G,s🤢 F1 was with no external tanks . If you succeed to jam his radar or coming from a blind corner....
Meanwhile in this case ..bursts of 30mm guns are compulsary. Too Close for missile lauch.
Many years After Mirage 2000C -RDI did it.... better.
Good vidéo mate
Thank you for your comment and personal experience!
Its not the plane, its the pilot
In this case, it was primarily the tactics.
I saw another video which showed the Iranian pilots were very inventive and became aces. Iran had lost American support for their planes so the Iranians were still able to overcome Iraqis with hobbled airplanes.
Yes, Iranian aircraft scored quite a lot of kills. Especially early in the war.
Excellent presentation of these aerial conflicts of a forgetten conflict. Well done!🎩♠️🇺🇲🏁🎯🎱🇺🇦🔱🌻💮🌼🌸🍀🔫
Thanks once again!
@@showtime112 Yw
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Did that double hit by the Super 530Fs actually happen? Or is it just for the recreation?
I had no idea the F1s actually scored kills on Tomcats, amazing video!
Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure exactly how many missiles were launched. It seems however thst in both cases, both F1 pilots attacked the same F-14. I would launch both missiles if I ever took an aim at a Tomcat.
@@showtime112 I would throw the kitchen sink at it haha
Iraqi mirage F1EQ SN:4014 has 14 confirmed shot down
plane in DCS: gets hit by missile.
the wings: "ima leaving now."
Well, damage model still has room for improvement :)
Do you intend to make a video of Iranian f-14 in action
I would have done it already if the replay track for F-14 in DCS worked. I'll try again soon to see if the situation improved (or if I can find some way around the problem).
Let's be honest though considered a mid gen 3, the f1 was just a early generation 4 fighter. Any nation that flew it loved its ability to dog fight, though it always found lacking in over the horizon engagements.
Nah it wasn’t an early 4th generation fighter and shouldn’t be considered as such. It‘s capabilities were similar to the F-4 or the Mig 23. It was vastly outclassed by any 4th generation fighter. The Tomcats kill were simply down to superior Iraqi tactics. When not met in an ambush the F-14 absolutely crushed the F1 and achieved a much much higher kill ratio over it.
Mirage F.1 and MiG-23 are the definition of 3rd generation fghters. Trying to solve the same problems of delta wing of 2nd generation fighters like Mirage III or MiG-21 with different ways, MiG-23 with variable geometry and Mirage F.1 by incorporating swept wing. Both are fascinating.
@@JR-ut2ne far enough. Though I feel like maybe the Israeli dagger and f-5 tiger 2 would be a more fair comparison than the f4 phantoms. I love the phantoms, but I personally always thought it was better as a heavy fighter bomber/EW aircraft than the navy interceptor/light strike fighter it was originally designed for. As shown by its excellent career in the iranian, Turkish, Israeli, and hellenic airforce.
It actually had some limited BVR capability already by the time it was introduced in service with R-530 but the latter proved quite ineffective. Super 530 was a very effective missile in both versions so I guess even in the 90s Mirage F1 could be still considered as a front line fighter.
In1992 in Greece we have lost a F-1 pilot in dogfight with Turkish F-16. He crushed in Aegean sea.
In 1970's & 80's some iraqi pilots were trained by indian air force
Yes, I've read about that.
I posted a week ago a comment on this video that contains very important information that no one knows about....but unfortunately the comment has been deleted???? May I know why???
What video was that? Sometimes, YT deletes comments which contain external links or something they interpret as bad language, hatred etc. Some get moved to 'to be examined' list but I couldn't find yours there.
@@showtime112 This video!! It is possible... I owned hundreds of Iraqi air operations during the war between Iraq and Iran 1980-1988, and I could cooperate with you by sending the scenario of the most important air operations that took place during this war.... Your work is wonderful and professional.
We are greatfull for your service sir
It is in a real war that we see what weapons are made of. Without a doubt, it was clear how vulnerable the F-14 became without all the support structure it had in the US Navy. And what was true for it would be true for the F-15, the F-16 and the F-18 in similar situations.
Yes but on the other hand, it is almost unbelievable that Iranians managed to keep them operational and effective for so long. Until early 2000s, the consensus in the West was 'Iranian Tomcats were hardly operational, used only as mini-AWACS'.
@@showtime112 That is the miracle of reverse engineering. And that can only be explained with investment and development in one sector. In the old days no one would dare say that China today operates the stealth fighters with the most powerful engines in the world.
Da li je f1 mirage imao u stvari bolje fox 1 rakete nego mig 25?
Iskreno, nisam siguran. Obične R530 nisu bile upotrebljive ali Super 530 su bile veliki napredak. I F1 i MiG-25 su postigli po nekoliko obaranja.
According to " Iraqi Mirages In Combat: The story of the F.1EQ in Iraq " By Miquel Garcia , 6 Tomcats were lost to the favour of the F1's , Iran had lost 14 tomcats during the war ( Source : Iranian Video talking about these pilots with their names and photographs )
hello my friend
@@ahmedghalib2427 Hello hello , well well ... you should be the 1st one relying here you are the Legend of the EQ!! 😀
WTF?I myself am Iranian, and I must say that Iran does not have more than 79 F14s, then the code of this fighter is 80?.. Just how many of these 79 fighters have been shot down and how many have also crashed.
در زمان جنگ کشور من با عراق ما خلبان هایی تامکتی داشتیم و هنوز هم داریم که بدون شلیک یک گلوله سه تا میراژ اف یک رو سرنگون کرده اند با مانور های عالی و رد کردن تمام موشک ها تا وقتی که سوخت میراژ ها به پایان رسید و سقوط کردند
There are plenty of Tomcat kills from this war that need to be covered.
Yes but will be good to say irainian tomkats how many aircraf of iraqi shood down? 250?
Perhaps not that many but a large number certainly. Couple of those have been covered on this channel too (and there will be more).
30 mirage irag lose to 4 f14 Iran lose is noting. F14 that time was very dangers with. Aim54 Phoenix. And radar.
how many mirage kill by f14? 😊😊😊
I see the Mirage has orange,white and blue flag on its tail
Imagine if the Argentinians had been equiped with modern Mirage F1s instead of vintage Mirage IIIs during the Falkland War.
It would have still had the range problem. Biggest difference in my opinion would have been the adjustment of Port Stanley runway and movement of fast jets to the islands.
You don't understand that in the Iran-Iraq war, Iranian F-14s shot down most of the Iraqi Mirages
I don't think they shot down most of them. That would mean over 50 percent and it doesn't seem so. Btw, fact that I produce a video focusing on one particular element of a conflict doesn't mean that I don't understand some other elements of it.
@@showtime112 Instead of this fake video, go read the original history of the Iran-Iraq war, especially the history of the air conflict
So we’ve got a load of cgi and ur say so I’m sceptical
I'm not saying that. Some serious researchers and authors aye saying that.
@@showtime112 well they must b right then mustn’t they it’s hard to believe anything nowadays especially on you tube there so much bs posted
An F-14 shot down a MiG-23 with a Phoenix missile? The missile probably cost more than the MiG-23 and about 2x the cost of the SU-22.
Not exactly. According to USN official site, Iran bought Phoenix missiles at about 547.000 USD per missile. As for MiG-23 cost, some online sources say that Soviets were selling the MS variant at between 3.6 and 6.6 million at the time. MS was the export version with older avionics, advanced models probably cost more. As for Su-22, there's info about Peruvian purchase in late 1970s. 250 million for 32 airframes, including spare parts and weapons. But even if the missile is more expensive, any piece of military equipment operated by the enemy can in theory cause a much greater damage so it's still worth using an expensive weapon to destroy it.
The MiG 23 was the wildebeest of fighter aircraft, just a source of protein for predators.
Generally yes, but sometimes it could fight back. It shot down at leaat two F-14 and a couple of Phantoms during this war.
Not the plane it's the pilot how many mirage F-1's were downed in the first gulf war by F-15's?
About eight. Here, it was probably the right tactic at the right time.
They didn’t have any BVR capability at that moment
Mirages? Who told you that?
@@showtime112 F 14s
Iranian F14s did not carry AIM7 Sparrows.
Yes they did. Not the F model that was ordered especially for them but the earlier E model. Supposedly, it wasn't fully compatible with AWG-9 and its accuracy was downgraded but that's what they had from the Phantom stocks and that's what they sometimes used.
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Iran...getting Cocky!! EJECT!! EJECT!!
Yeah, they probably felt a bit overconfident with their Tomcats.
Iranian f-14s’ IFF system can only identify Soviet fighter aircraft but not French.
Actually, the problem was the Combat Tree system which could interrogate Soviet IFF systems and recognize the airplane type and other info.
Iran only lost 3 f14
Ok.
Minus US Navy crews. Different result
That might not have been the only factor.
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IRAN HAD F-14As AND THOSE WERE F-14Bs WITH THE CAMERA
UNDER THE NOSE AND HAD TWO DROP TANKS AND A TAIL HOOK, THEIRS DIDN'T HAVE THEM.
No other version was available at the moment this video was created.
This mirage-f1 is not EQ
Nope. This is CE. Currently, the only one available in DCS. We will get an E variant later but specific date is unknown.
58 Mirage F1 was shot down by F14s during the war.
Whom was flying the f14 not good measure of a tomcat it was made as tool for E2C Hawkeye intercepter at 100 miles . The other plane would never see it!
Iran had no Hawkeyes. But even that was no guarantee, Israel had Hawkeyes but supposedly, the weren't much use over land.
@@showtime112 Were you ever in a E2 , funny thing that a all weather early warning radar would not work over land that's bull!! Why does the air force have a plane that does the same thing???? WE ARE NOT RUSSIA
@@Edward-ci8yl The info comes from the Israelis and E-2 was primarily designed to operate over water. So, I wouldn't just declare it 'bull'
@@showtime112 you are something else answer my question have you been in a E2
Then again you did not answer my question were you ever in a E2, Iraq gulf war, E2C directing BOTH LAND ATTACK AND COMBAT AIR Patrol missions over IRAQ NOT WATER the E2 provided air control for 2 IRAQI MIG21s. Right off the web!!!!!! Spent 4 years in and AROUND a E2C. Pretty much know what they dooooooooo.
Those were not American pilots flying those Tomcats, and the Tomcats were not carrying Phoenix or Ratheon Sidewinder missiles, in that scenario the Mirage F1s would have been toast.
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Those were not French pilots flying those F1 Mirage,F14 is too big for pure dogfight against F1 and French missiles are better than US!
@@ShinoxSturmreiterDesTode Ya, keep telling yourself that monkeyboy
Finaly a mig29 stregy lol.
This video ignores few facts:
1) Iranian pilots were saving their phoenix missiles and would only fire them as last resort due to sanctions and lack of spare parts.
2) pretty much all the NATO nations including Russia were supplying Iraq with weapons and Iran was on its own
3) Given all the odds stacked against Iran with lack of spare parts or inability to purchase any weapons, Iran did a fantastic job destroying Iraqi air bases and having air superiority. Let's not forget that this was a war between Iran and NATO and Russia. Iraqis had access to satellites, American support, and intelligence, including America's support in jamming Iranian radars. This by no means was just an Iran vs. Iraq war.
The video focuses on the specific operations and it doesn't necessarily give the 'big picture' as many people probably know it.
if at this time rusia was exist like at syiria, may be iraq not lose under attack OTAN and US
Where is saddam yazid and baath party now? Don't fight with big brother
But the Iraqis didn't shoot down any US F14's during Desert Storm. It's almost like pilot capability came into play. Hmm...
One F-14 shot down during Desert Storm might have been shot down by an Iraqi fighter. The story is a bit unclear. However, American pilots fought with a lot more assets on their side such as AWACS, jamming platforms etc. Giraffe would have much lower chances of success in such an environment.
The Iraqi Air Force had the air superiority over Iranian air force since the first day of the war.
Iran entered the war with Iraq with about 20 F-14s, most of which had invalid combat capabilities, and for this reason, most of them were used as an AWACS.
The Iraqi Air Force achieved 400,000 successful combat sorties during the Iran-Iraq war, while Iran did not achieve even 10,000, and this in itself tells who is superior.
That's what everybody believed in the 1980s. Plenty of new info emerged since then.
This was during Saddam Hossain time right?
Exactly.
Iranian F14s shoted down 160 Iraqi fighters during the war! and Iran lost only 8 f14s !
The exact numbers are disputed and we will probably never know the precise figures due to circumstances.
Iran had been attacking Iraqi cities between 4th to 22th of Sep. 1980 Iraq did not make any reply in that period but was submitting tens of messages and reports about the situation then it was the day of revenge
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Yes, you are right, Iran was bombing Iraqi cities, but Iraq was not bombing Iranian cities at all like Iran, Iraq was chemically bombing Iranian cities, using weapons of mass destruction that were given to them by France, Germany, and the Soviet Union. And the US had given them the green light to use those bombs.
1948. American WW2 veteran pilots flying really bad old German 109 planes for the IAF, decimate Arab pilots in better Spitfires in the Israeli War for independence. Sometimes it is not the plane but the pilot.
Is mostly is although in this case, it was primarily the tactics. The story you mention is on my 'to do' list.
@@showtime112 There is a Documentary on Hulu called "Above and Beyond" about the creation of the IAF in the 1948 war.
The stupidity of some of the statements made about the Iraqi mirages is beyond belief. Mirage F1 was no match for an Iranian F14 if the F14 was in good shape and not fighting the Mirages alone. In any one case the flight of F14s were no more than 2 ,and in thegreat majority of cases a single F14 would had to tackle up to 6 Mirages or Migs. They would send a flight of six or more Mirage F1s out at low altitude and they would appraoch their target where F14 was on cap, and fire all their radar/heat seeking missiles all at once and hope that one would hit. Iraq had no problem getting masses of missiles or fighters from the Soviets or from France, unlike Iran who was under heavy sanctions by the US and the West. Although Iran had purchased 80 F14 from the US , only 79 were delieverd, the max number of Iranian F14s who were battle ready was less then 24. At the onset of the war, neither the AIM9 Sidewinder nor the AIM7 Sparrow were interfaced properly with the F14s, so they had to rely on their AIM54 misslies that were for long range interception, and not for dog fighting, an dtheir numbers were quite low in the Iranian inventory. Iran is a vast country, nearly 1/2 the size of Europe, and these aircraft had to be deployed sparingly and thinly. Iraq lost in excess of 200 aircraft to the Iranians in its 8 year war with Iran, 42 of them in one instance in the attack on the H3 base near the Jordanian border. In later years Iraq also enjoyed the protection of the US navy in the Persian Gulf. The US Ships would provide a radar umbrella for the Iraqis, but the US would report the position and the movement of the Iranian F4s and F14s to the Iraqis through their stooges the Saudis who would immediately relay the information to the Iraqis. This was to maintain the impression of neutrality on the part of the US. All these were told me by my school friend who was the pilot of an F14, and yes he was also a graduate of the Top Gun school , and an Instructor. As for the obsudity of the Iraqi claims ablout tehir losses, suffice to point out that one Iranian ace Major Zandi, had 11 confirmed kills, 5 of which were Mirage F1. There were many Zandis in the Iranian airforce flying both the F4s. and F14s.
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Iraq also drafted mercenary pilots from other countries due to their own shortage of skilled pilots.
@@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512 Correct. They had borrowed Mirage 2000s from the Egyptians. They had leased the French Super Etendards, etc etc. Who was piloting them?
LoL. The same clip is the reason for Iran's success in the air war with Iraq. Soviet. America. France, the British, the entire Arab states supported Iraq. Where in history did the East Ham West support one side of the war. Iran's largest honors with U.S. weapons
Iran contra ??? What about it ?
That's right, but it was almost zero in the way of supporting Iraq. American Oaxes watched the entire war, but they weren't always in iraq. The Chemical Bombers of the French Soviet Armaments had equipped the Pillar of the Iraqi Army. You knew that Iranian pilots were shaking the Phoenix missile because of the lack of missiles in an emergency, and that they first used the Sparrow missile because it was cheaper. Iranian cobra helicopters won the greatest That's right, but it was almost zero in the way of supporting Iraq. American Oaxes watched the entire war, but they weren't always in iraq. The Chemical Bombers of the French Soviet Armaments had equipped the Pillar of the Iraqi Army. You knew that Iranian pilots were shaking the Phoenix missile because of the lack of missiles in an emergency, and that they first used the Sparrow missile because it was cheaper. Iranian cobra helicopters won the greatest honors. F4
Syria, libya, china israel supported Iran
@@greenknight907 sry. Repet my text. I copy this
Not a Tomcat killer, but a bad pilot killer.
No, that wasn't it. Iraqis displayed some good tactics and exploited a weakness of their enemies equipment. RWR of Iranian Tomcats was never programmed to fight against Western aircraft.
@@showtime112 ah. Because at Top Gun and Red Flag, they teach and emphasize non similar warfare and tactics.