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- Join us as we talk about a rare and collectable Winchester that was once thought to be a parts gun. An article in "The Winchester Collector" magazine showed it to be one of only a few that were made for movie production in the 1920's and reminded us just how valuable a membership in WACA can be.
I'm 74 years old and Winchester firearms have played important roles in much of my shooting and hunting history. Thanks for the great videos. Jess
You're very welcome, Jess!
Nice to see someone shooting and talking about the old stuff. Looks like paradise around there.
Life's good out here in God's Country. Thanks for watching!
What a stable full on that table. A 20ga rifle? That was a radical departure all by itself.
Love those old rifles, and carbines. I have a wichester model 69a, with a peep sight, bolt action 22. That old rifle is my go to 22, with the peep sight my old eyes can find the sights easily , plus it's a beauty. Those old lever guns are awesome , and I don't think they will ever go out of style !!
Well Mark, this video has spurred me to pull the trigger on joining the WACA! I've been a Winchester fan as long as I can remember and took my first deer with a '54 model 94 Carbine in 32Spl that my grandfather bought new. I still own that rifle to this day. Over the last few years I've developed and insatiable hunger to learn all I can about Winchesters long and interesting history. Ive also managed to add a few more to my modest little collection, mostly newer production. Thanks for all you do for the shooting/collecting community and with this channel Mark.
That's great news, Joe! Welcome aboard!
@@thecinnabar8442 I think most of you folks on there are way out of my league in terms of collecting, but so far I've been enjoying reading the content on the forum today 🙂
Hello Mark,
Thanks again for the lead. All the years I worked on and collected Winchester firearms, I did not know this organization existed. I will be joining this week.
That's great, Ken. Welcome aboard!
Thanks for sharing this. Just signed up. Huge Winchester fan. Especially Model 94's and 70's. Among others! ;)
That's great news, Jim! Welcome aboard!
The break on that shotgun is like something off a Howitzer!
The best part about Frankenchesters is you get to shoot them. 😍
That's true. Of course, I've never met a Winchester I didn't want to shoot. 😃
Mark, I truly enjoy your videos especially ones like this! We shared some emails a while back about you possibly putting a barrel liner in my original Winchester 1886 in 45-70. I took your advice and had someone you advised do the job for me. It turned out fantastic and I shoot it all-of-the time! There is nothing like shooting the originals. Thanks again. 👍
Its always a nice surprise when you find out that one of your lesser thought of rifles is actually rare and valuable iron. Congrats!
It was definitely exciting to find that old Frankenchester was something special.
Mark I can't express enough on how much I appreciate you taking the time to explain things as well as actually shooting the guns in the video. I need to go on the hunt to see if I can find me an old Winchester parts gun for a project being the only Winchester that I currently have is a .22 that I had to put back together from parts rounded up off of ebay.
You're very welcome! Best of luck on the Winchester search. Half the fun is in the hunt.
I love the fact that you shoot those old guns! I shoot or plan to shoot everything I own. I do have a few I'm still searching for ammo or components to make ammo for. I only have a few Winchesters in my collection but hope to add more and you're certainly an inspiration to do so.
Great to hear! I love hearing about people shooting their vintage firearms.
Yeap! If I can't shoot it? it is for sale! or I am working to Shoot it? The only reason I never shoot everything I bring with me; is I know I'll be cleaning a Long time.
I have model 60A .22 single shot bolt action that was my grandfather's. My grandmother gave it to my dad before she passed with instructions to be sure I got it because I always took it out of the closet she kept it in & clean it whenever we visited when I was a kid. It was made sometime in the 1930s in a limited run & Winchester didn't even put serial numbers on them. It still shoots great & is in great condition. I love to plink with it. In my eye it's priceless.
After meeting you Mark and joining WACA, I'm hooked !!! Can't wait for Cody 2023 !
Me too!
I love hex barreled carbines and trappers lever actions the most . I believe heavy short barrels have the most accuracy potential.
Winchester has made some of the world's best firearms. I wish they would have never discontinued production of many of their firearms .
Another excellent video, sir.
Thanks Sonny!
"Frankenchester"!... Haha!... I have never heard that before!.... There is no better feeling than discovering something like that about an old firearm or whatever, that you were almost bored with and had forgotten about... Nice!
Yea, it was a good day when I found that article in "The Winchester Collector"!
Thanks for the video very informative that was a cool little carbine . There’s so many different types of Winchesters that you can collect is one of the things that makes it so interesting I have a few my favorite is my model 52 that I found in a pawnshop it’s just a wonderful little rifle still shoots great.
Gotta love those 52's. They're just exceptional little rifles!
I have 13 Winchesters now. Some very rare ones.
Your channel is the reason that I joined WACA. I hope to be at the meeting in July.
That's great! Hope to see you at Cody. Make sure to stop by our tables.
NICE ! I used to be in the club years ago when I still collected, member # 1818.
Still have some Winchesters I need to find new homes for, Trapper 73, Dublin 73 SRC & 52 heavy 1950 era.
Another good video Mark.
Thanks Mark!
Great video, Mark.
Thanks Ty!
Thanks for the info and jumpstart on the WACA. Their final question when joining was where did you hear about them and sure enough the last choice was "Cinnabar You Tube". I like em already... Thanks again
love the Winchester levers and shotguns
I really love your enthusiasm.
Lever guns are so cool. The AR-15 of the wild west. But, they're SO much prettier.
I have an ‘86 Win. Made in 1891, 45-70, and restored to like new by Turnbull, a Winder musket low wall in .22 short, a ‘94 in 38-55 made in 1923, a Schuetzen high wall in 32-40 made about 1916 in near mint condition with a Winchester A5 scope, a ‘73 musket in 44-40 made in 1904. I also have two shotguns, an 1897 and a model 12. All are in excellent condition and I shoot them all.
Good for you! I love hearing about people shooting their old Winchesters
model 88 is my absolute favorite !
Thanks Mark Great Info 😀😊😇 Ill Have to Get a Membership Also 😀😊😊❤️
Good plan, Chris! I'm sure you'll enjoy your membership.
Very cool
When my Dad was a kid he used an 1887 12 gauge. He talked about saving his slugs and making sinkers in the spring for fishing. Then when fall came the sinkers were turned into slugs. He had the shotgun until it was loaned out to a friend in the late 1960's. He saw that friend in the mid 1990's and Doc (Bill Halliday) said he wanted to give the shogun back so it could go to me. Dad was the "do it later guy" and never followed through. Doc died in 1998. I asked Dad if he would call Doc's wife and see if the shotgun was available to get back. She told Dad that Doc took his guns to the gun show in Spokane and sold them all. I often wonder if someone that bought an 1887 12 gauge with the hand carved stock knows it's history? (I may even have the stock end cut that Dad carved a deer scene on in 1942)
I go to all the shows in Spokane have not seen anything like that
Having your name on a cartridge has to be the greatest achievement. Selling rights, letting competitors chamber your cartridge, has to be a selling point. I appreciate the 30/30 round for the available variation in grain. It makes it the most versatile round period.
I will have one on a M4 platform. I have been told it want mag. feed. I bit my tongue and thought, but it does tube feed.
I think they built a quality product, at blue collar price. It did put food on the table.
I'm a little confused by your comment. Are you planning to develop a wildcat cartridge with your name on it based on the venerable old 30-30? If so, best of luck with your project. Making it rimless might go a long way to making it feed from a magazine. Otherwise, you may want to look at how John Browning solved feeding rimmed cartridges from a box magazine in the model 1895 Winchesters.
Hi my friend exellent video! I have 9422 not is big rifle I like good guns cal.22 winchester!
Last month I bought a 1886 manufactured 1888 it’s been re-blued and I don’t think it has its original wood but other than that it’s pretty nice.
...the benefits of belonging to a collector's club or association,,,the wealth of knowledge you uncover...I belong to the Palm Beach Arms Collectors here in South Florida...
This is just great 👍 👌 👏
Glad you liked it, Terry!
@@thecinnabar8442 I have a question. What would a Winchester NRA Commemorative be worth like New?
Btw; that sure looks like some great coyote trapping country. Too bad fur prices won't even buy the gas to run a line these days.
Coyotes are thick this year. Been doing my best to thin the herd. Of course, it's always nice when fur prices are better to at least pay for the ammo.
That's neat. Always fun to be made of an unknown treasure.
I just joined for 5 years!
Welcome aboard, Ben!
Nice 👍
VERY COOL
so youre in OR right?
very far from where Paul Harrell
does his shooting? he had another
interesting T-day cooking vid and
spoke a bit on the tyranny you
also did the vid before... if
not too far apart itd be great
for you 2 to have some collaboration
or even just to see him shoot there
at your wonderful place sometime
I really enjoy Paul's work. I've been a subscriber from early on. Unfortunately, he is a long way from us.
God bless the Americans to prevail in OR @@thecinnabar8442
That looks like a very fine magazine. With the changes headed our way, will it be banned because it has more than 10 pages? Groan .......
Don't tell the voters in Portland or it'll be on the next ballot. 😉
@@thecinnabar8442 Haha, no kidding. Can we vote to make Portland its own state and the rest of us can have Oregon back?
JMB would be proud to see all the examples of his fertile mind lying on that table...
You’re and interesting guy and live an interesting life😊
Thanks Tim. My wife and I are blessed with a lifestyle we love.
I AM A NEW MEMBER THIS YEAR. SEE YOU IN CODY
funny i stumbled across this channel not too long after i became interested by the mineral cinnabar which happens to be toxic due to mercury
Cinnabar was mined here for mercury when it was in great demand.
I have a 1879 and a 1883 Winchester-Hotchkiss. ... :')
I have an old sears & roebuck winchester 94, and the barrel and receiver both have an SP with a circle around them. I've read that winchester made some of them and some they didn't make. Just wondering if anyone had any info about this.
That'd be a good question to ask on the WACA forum. I'm sure there is someone on the forum who has information on the contracts with Sears, Wards, etc.
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I've got a model 1905 35 caliber 3digit serial number I'd rate it 90%maybe a little better even I picked it up back in the late 90s at a small gun shop I bought it and a colt 1909army 45colt at the same time and the guy said that it was used at the st cloud penitentiary in st cloud Minnesota as a tower gun but there's no other markings on it other than what would have been stamped on at the factory on any rifle brand name caliber and model and proof and patent marks
A friend of mine acquired one of those automatics in 401, It was a high grade, beautiful checkered wood, and it was broken in 2 pieces, must have gotten run over or had a horse fall on it. He sold it and still got plenty for it. Back in the 1980"s
Those Winchester semi-autos are wonderful rifles. They were a favorite of law enforcement agencies of the time. The French even ordered some in full auto in WW1.
I have trouble (In Sothern CA) finding reliable sources for 44-40 ammo. Do you have a suggestion?
I don't have a good source. I would keep an eye on Ammoseek.com
I just posted on WACA forum, under 9422m Texas Edition
I wasn't able to find your post. What was it about?
What's the caliber on that small carbine? I don't think you said. You need to do a separate video on the M1907 Winchester.
He said 44-40 WCF at the start I just watched it again to check lol
At the 199-2 minutes mark it shows up on the screen 44wcf
I have been shooting my Model 12s shotguns the last weeks. I have a copy of most of the models. The one I shoot the most in my Model 12 in 28 gauge. I did see one model 12 skeet in 16 ga. I didn't buy it..(out of money) What is interesting about the is that the 16ga was never a Skeet class.....???
A model 12 in 28 gauge. How very cool!
@@thecinnabar8442 Those are considered the rarest Model 12s made I have see two of them at shows from 1975 till last year. This one was at a auction and I bought it. Browning is making the again but the price is ++++. It is a better skeet gun than I can shoot it. Very low recoil. Now the Model 12 duck guns shooting 3" shells will beat on you.
This may sound like a dumb question but can you explain how the saddle ring is used?
They were used by early cavalrymen with a kind of a snap and sling to hang the carbine while on horseback. I think they just became kind of a traditional part of carbines and were little used by those who carried Winchesters carbines primarily in scabbards while on horseback.
What does the factory letter say about the serial number for the gun?
Unfortunately, this gun was manufactured at a time when the factory records have been lost, so we can't know. It would be very interesting.
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Snow? That's a dirty word here in the Gunshine state! Great video Mark.
We've been in a terrible drought for a couple of years, so we've been ecstatic to have the snow this fall, even if it is a pain in the backside.😉
POW , ting , POW , ting , POW , ting ...... Yeah sounds like it is accurate to me . :) Makes me want to break out the 32 special and hit a range . EDIT: Know a good site to get an ACCURATE value on some older Winchesters ? Already been burned once by one of those "honest" dealers .
Was the mod.1907 in 351 win. caliber ?
Yes, it is. I plan to do an episode soon about the entire line of early Winchester semi-autos. 1903, 1905, 1907 and 1910. I'm just having a difficult time finding some 401 WSL ammo for the 1910 model.
@@thecinnabar8442 I have a 1910 as well, just got it a few months back! I actually found some 401 ammo from Ventura Munitions. It is pricy, but its worth it to get to shoot such a neat rifle!
@@thecinnabar8442 Thank you
How much does it cost to join?
$35 for the e-membership or $50 for full membership with paper copies of "The Winchester Collector". IMHO, the magazine alone is worth more than the cost to join.
I still have my 94 trapper 😉
Wonderful little guns! Do you shoot it?
@@thecinnabar8442 yes sir 😉
What does the letters on the serial number mean
It's technically not part of the serial number. It denotes a change in how they were manufactured, typically a change in the design of one or more parts. For example, in the 1895's, it denoted a change in the type of carrier spring that was used when the takedown option was introduced.
I love Winchester model 37 single shot shotguns. A have a friend who shot one of his wife's chooks with a .410 so she clamped in a vice and bent it into a walking stick. Silly cow.
37's are nice little utility shotguns. But what's a "chook"?🙄
@@thecinnabar8442 a. chicken
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as a self proclaimed winchester collecter, you should be ashamed of yourself. there was missing THE iconic model 94 in 30-30 from your table..... but, a fine group of rifles nonetheless.
I had a choice between the 94 in 30-30 or the 73 in 44-40 to represent the traditional lever action Winchester. Couldn't go wrong either way. 😉
@@thecinnabar8442 yea, still some nice rifles, brother. Nice content, by the way.
I was wondering if you work on Winchester 94 from other places other than local I have a little project on a old 94 saddle ring carbine if you could send me a email or phone number
www.Cinnabargunworks.com