Why Are Wrestlers & MMA Fighters So Damn Explosive In BJJ ?
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2020
- What's the difference of rolling with a pure BJJ practitioner vs MMA fighters or people with a Wrestling background? That's the question that comes from our friend in Australia. He asks the question because when he rolls with people that have this kind of background he struggles to deal with their pressure, speed and explosiveness.
In the video I share some of the differences of rolling or training with someone from a pure Brazilian Jiu-jitsu background vs a wrestling or MMA fighting background. My experience is based on my own experience as a former wrestler who got into BJJ and as someone who had over a dozen mixed martial arts fights.
I hope the video helps you understand some of the differences rules have on the way people grapple.
Thanks for watching.
-Chewy
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I wish I had a chance to roll with more wrestlers. Sometimes it's just really fun to go head to head with a stubborn explosive athlete.
Yes it is.
I call that a Tuesday
bezbeanz Jett ruby Tuesday ?
That made my stomach tingle.
I like them but my herniated disks, lax joints and garbage cardio say "no"
Love rolling wrestlers, it's a massive wake up call.
Jiu Jitsu, like any other martial art, isn't perfect, and wrestling reveals some of the holes in Jiu Jitsu.
And vice versa
Yup, just started BJJ a month ago from wrestling and Judo noticed in mount I dominated up to the purple belts, but once I got into guard my newaza (ground work) was less than optimal so it's been an interesting transition 🤔
Yup, been doing BJJ for a month now and noticed transitioning from Judo and wrestling was able to dominate in mount up to the purple belts, but in the guard my newaza (groundwork) was pretty lackluster🤔
@@nstv23 Which is exactly the reason why they harmonize so well together.
@@ronjeremy9302 It's been great mate thanks, and this is going to be a lengthy answer but I'm going to try to keep it short, it depends on bunch of factors for example, what do you want out of the martial art? Is it self-defense, fun, to get in better shape, to join a community? Where do you live? (Just an example lol) For example, if are located in an area with amazing BJJ school, go for BJJ and visa versa. Personally from short and admittedly not every extensive experience, my judo background allows me to pull from a mystical bag of knowledge that very few jiu jistu people are expecting, like they are for wrestling and it's one of the reasons coach only pairs me with purple belts/brown belts at this point for stand-up grappling, so take what you will from that friend😁
As a wrestler it's fun to switch it up and roll with people at bjj gyms because it's kinda calm but you still have to work hard at the same time.
People get mad when I use wrestling... Like these losers haven't seen "The People's Elbow" before.
Dude 😂😂😂😂
#ItsRealToMeDammit
I have the wrestlers/mma guy reputation at my nogi gym and I noticed bjj guys give a bit more respect if you're a good wrestler. They even praise you for having the wrestler's mindset. Nonstop go!
KneeStrikes i’m the same and I feel the opposite.. they all Think i’m a dick for going fast and explosive, seems like a lot of these bjj guys just want to Roll around in a lazy way
@@rasmusquavangsfar9447 some people just arent explosive or aggressive. I'm naturally relaxed and not very explosive when I roll but I'll say it really is fun to roll with a wrestler, they keep you on high alert and set a really insane pace and it helps me improve.
GA PAINTBALL exactly man. My dojo is a fucking joke..
The Butcher's Right Overhand go somewhere else then
Bc yes gi gyms are full of old people that don’t want to move
I met an MMA guy at Jiffy Lube. I'm an old man (56), but back in my youth I was an All State wrestler and I've wrestled in D1. I saw the kid across from me (he was, maybe, 22 or so) and he had a black eye and looked pretty beat up. He was wearing a T-shirt with the local MMA outfit logo on it. I laughed out loud, and he looked up. I said "tough sport, huh?". He laughed and said "yeah". I asked what his specialty was and he replied "BJJ". I expressed admiration for his martial art, and said that I was a fair wrestler in my youth. He started asking me questions about wrestling, and spoke with such respect/reverence that I was stunned. BJJ guys seem to have genuine respect for wrestling. It makes me want to head down to the local place and learn some BJJ, if I'm not too old.
64 year old hooper started at 5,in NYC. I loved to grapple boxing and wrestling,but in bball I fought often too. In HS we wrestled in gym class fun times ,
Mma guys in particular have massive heart, they'll just keep going till they pass out or nap. Not necessarily a good thing lol but you gotta respect it
“My meditation after evening class”
Yes chewy I smoke pot after class as well.
SPOT ON LMAOOO!!! I was thinking "my boy Chewi is BBQ'D im sure!" haha
Nope. Actual mediation. I don't smoke anything.
It's cool if chewie doesn't smoke... more for us haha!
I drive a block away from the gym and get my “meditation” in. HA
Chewjitsu hey nobody’s judging 😂
My first day I was paired with a 23yo wrestling coach. He was kind,but when he flicked the switch it was over quickly.
Notification squad! This is facts. I wrestled in highschool and when I started bjj I was EXHAUSTED literally 5 min in rolling. We had 7 min rounds and I was used to 2 minute rounds. Insane
Same haha. I used to wear myself out.
I was the guy who flirted with stalling while wrestling because I lived off of my td defense but even going to jiu jitsu I was getting gassed in every roll. So cool how they are similar yet completely different.
When u roll with mma/judo/wresting guys its like a different world!
If I go "oh Christ I can't tire this maniac out", then they're mma and wrestling
Yeah. If you want physical fitness, trying to physically dominate someone the same size as you is a great way to do it.
Not sure where that's coming from wrestlers are always gassing out early. They aren't in high school or college with nothing to do but train and sleep through classes. Amateur MMA fighters typically only fight for three minute rounds, so they last longer, but a 6 minute roll is a LONG time at that pace and they rarely make it.
@@cameronforbes2649 Perhaps I am just out of shape! But I am at a pretty high-level gym, with a lot of UFC/Bellator fighters, and former D1/National Team wrestlers, so I haven't encountered many normal human wrestlers, in all honesty.
Also, I realise I do mostly no gi, whereas a wrestler in a gi class could definitely gas out quickly.
@@TanyerLamb yeah and most of those guys are on something too.
Great breakdown. Much appreciated. Full of neat info and examples, instead of hostile "we against they" mentality which you find in most of these BJJ vs [insert another martial art] videos.
Your channel has given me a lot of insight into the grappling side of things, me being a student of the striking game, I've learned a lot.
I’m a wrestler and had my first bjj class yesterday and realized I was going a lot faster than everyone else’s but I was with a purple belt so it didn’t seem to matter
I just had my first bjj class after not wrestling for 8 years. I didn’t even realize I was doing this but its so true. Bjj is like two bears climbing for the kill shot. Wrestling is like two big billy goats ramming each other in the head until one just collapses.
I wrestled all through school, but that was 20 years ago. Looking for a jujitsu school now and these comments have helped a lot. I just didn't want to go in and be overly aggressive like we're taught in wrestling from our first day.
Have you guys progressed much since your first days at BJJ, an what do you think about it now coming from wrestling?
@@l.d.roberts2194 i wrestled and fought MMA for several years. It wrecked my body but I still love grappling, so I've transitioned to pure BJJ. Biggest challenge for me is dealing with gi grips. I feel like I spend all my time fighting grips instead of presenting any offense. I think the gi further enforces the methodical approach Chewy talks about.
But on no gi nights, it's a different story :)
@@philipwheeler4325 I have a few months in bjj now, and I love gi more than nogi now. I don't mind being on my back, triangles are cool as long as I'm the one doing them. Getting better at opening and passing guard, and a few basic submissions from different positions. Only thing I'm having trouble with now is slowing down, our wrestling tempo and mindset of gotta work work work.
@@l.d.roberts2194 yeah I actually don't go to no gi that often. I am here to learn and improve, and I have more room to grow with the gi. It's a different game, that's all I meant.
I like this topic. Great explanation. I remember getting that wake up call when rolling with super strong, Rutgers wrestlers. They won't sub you like a slick, knowledgeable purple, but they make you work. Like, a fucking lot. It's also weird at first when you see a very unassuming guy who is not much bigger or smaller than you and when you roll with him, his aggression makes him feel immensely stronger. Like, you get a brief "oh, shit" go through your head. Especially when they just power through your go tos. Prior to those sessions, I was always the "yeah, wrestlers are strong, but let me find an open neck and it's over, boi." Post, I wished I had wrestled all through highschool and then transitioned to bjj. Anyone who is at least decent at wrestling, bjj, and judo simultaneously is a very scary bastard.
I was looked down on because i was using speed and urgency, they told me i was being aggressive. I wasnt being a spaz i was wrestling. I also keep an insane pace and im decently strong for my size. To the point where i messed up a few blue belts who havent felt that intensity.
Edit: i thought i was being playful, they took it as i was angry.
Wrestlers are tough to deal with.
A Bjj Black Belt is Someone Who is Able to Tap you out with out using speed and urgency...
We have a fresh brand new white belt in class and rolled for the first time with a purple belt. He gave the purple belt a really really hard time with all the explosive moves and speed.
@MegaSkilla Wrestlers have won more MMA championships then Bjj guys. Try butt scooting in a fight and see where it gets you.
MegaSkilla lol someone’s had their ego crushed by a couple of wrestlers. You remind me of this military guy at my gym that gets pissed when younger kids pass his guard or anything
I moved from an mma gym to a mostly bjj gym, and the thing i miss most is there are far fewer rolls where wrestling is involved, so people are way less likely to stand to pass guard, or to stand up if someone isn't applying pressure while they're in your guard.
I hope my gym opens soon
Likewise
SAME
The extent of my wrestling knowledge came from watching Stampede Wresting (cheesy Canadian pro wrestling). If I couldn't smash my opponent with a folding chair, I didn't know how wrestling would help. First roll with a wrestler was eye-opening.
I had a problem a bit at first switching from judo to bjj; people were asking me why I was so aggressive all the time lol. I just felt like I was doing things normally. Then I realized it's probably because before we don't have a lot of time doing ground stuff in judo before they stand us back up :/
I did it other way around I started bjj first and then judo, now I cross train. The first judo comp I've experienced it myself first hand the ground work time difference. When I was doing my work on the ground, suddenly the opponent just put his one leg up and it was matte, I was so confused.
Im 14 and 6ft, im starting BJJ, next Monday in adult classes. Your videos have helped me so much and im sure I will be coming back for more. Thank you for what you do for the BJJ community and giving weak guys like me a little bit of hope. Thank you.
Let's gooo, you're not weak at all if you're trying your best to fix a problem. Go at it dude.
if you want strength and conditioning start wrestling in high school
Bro you are 14 and 6ft. That not weak. You are a tall mf.😂Everything will turn out fine I’ll promise. Just stick to martial arts
It’s great when someone you train with takes you out of your comfort zone. If you’re too comfortable training all the time, you’re probably not advancing as well as you could or learning as much as you should.
Being a wrestler who just finished my 1st full week in BJJ, every guy I rolled with said" you must be a wrestler" cause of how much energy I have.. even though I'm 42, I still have that constant " go,go,go" mentality! Love your videos Coach
Hey @chewjitsu. Been watching your videos for about a year or so now, and I've always wanted to start BJJ. My biggest fears from it is that the cost of the membership. I can barely afford to go to the gyms in my area. I'd be able to wing it, but if any surprise expense comes up I'd be pretty screwed. I believe it would be worth doing, just the self confidence that BJJ would bring (you said in a video that it would help confidence) would help me in other aspects of life, but I'm still hesitant to start. Any advise? --Ron
Background is folkstyle/freestyle wrestling over 10 years with a couple of those years also being in catch wrestling. I've also mixed in BJJ/Judo for the past two years and I love it. I've been talked to a number of times for going to hard/fast at times and some of those were due to my lack of BJJ flow understanding. Others were confusing to me though. So many people start seated which makes it difficult to work takedowns.
I don't ever go 100 unless I'm competing but is it like this at many BJJ gyms or is my experience abnormal?
my school just opened up. got an email today. we have to drill alone tho unless we live with our training partner. curious to how drilling alone will go. looking forward to getting back at it tho.
I'm a blue belt. Yday I rolled with guys who train MMA. The roll was very fast paced and I would say pretty frantic. The MMA guys go all out. But as the roll progressed I started taking over and towards the end got into dominant positions and finished the roll strong. But I had good fun as it was different. It's good to train with MMA guys if you want to improve your game as it poses different challenges. Big respect to all forms of grappling and fighting arts.
Question for you.
Do you think in order to improve your jiu jitsu as much as possible, you should take the hardest rolls in the gym as much as possible. Roll with black and brown belts as much as possible.
Or, should I follow the thirds rule, 1/3 of my time with people I'm better than, 1/3 with my level, and 1/3 with much better.
Thanks
The point is you also have to build your own style that is effective and greatly work with you.
I started at a BJJ gym as a guy who wrestled in HS like 3-4 years prior at the time. Wasn’t in incredible shape endurance wise, but was physically strong with explosiveness and retained the wrestling technique. So I would go hard for TDS, get top position, be tenacious until they would just give up position and pass their guard. My first day I was passing guard on purple belts and could sub the whites and some blues and I felt proud of it, then after rolling with the BJJ guys one after another I would always eventually gas out with my style and get my ass kicked consistently until the day was over. Big takeaway was, they conserve energy for the right moments while the wrestling mind constantly expends energy over time to grind them down. Thing is they’re cool with stalling til you make a mistake because you don’t realize some of the bad positions you put yourself in as a wrestler sometimes and wind up getting subbed by the higher belts especially. They’re very patient
Yo Professor Chewie, did you just do sitting meditation or moving meditation? Thanks for the video. Super insightful.
That night it was a seated meditation with music as a focus.
Everyone thought I was a wrestler when I started jiu jitsu. I just wrestled as a 10 year in the WWE. I just enjoy grappling.
John Morris ffs
I come from a high school/freestyle/Greco wrestling background, and I definitely feel like that has given me a massive head start in bodily awareness (knowing how I can move, how my partner can move, how to control a position, etc). I always hear people talking about wrestling to BJJ from the perspective of “Wrestlers are uncomfortable on their back”, which is definitely true for a little while, but in my experience being in someone else’s guard (especially open guards) is extremely foreign and frustrating to me. It’s like the one position that wrestling doesn’t prepare you for at all, because no one would willingly hold a position on their back. For that reason, everyone pulls guard against me and it’s just very frustrating. Do you have any tips or specific techniques you think would help someone from a wrestling background deal with and get better at passing guard? (Obviously learn the same technique that everyone does when progressing, but any specific things that come naturally to a wrestler?)
start mma
hit them
Just like Jiu Jitsu guys will never get good at takedowns if they never stand up and try, you'll never become a proficient guard passer or ( guard player) if you don't address it head on.
I find that most wrestlers try to circumvent the guard or rush past it quickly without engaging the guard and fighting for the right leg position and grips. It inevitably just results in a lot of scrambles and really halts the progression of their game long term. Stylistically, BJJ's main contribution to grappling is the guard so are you really doing Jiu Jitsu if you don't engage the guard?
Agree. I think it comes from training. Wrestling training is intense, continuous, and a beat down. (2-3 hrs/practice, dropping 5+lbs/practice in sweat, 5-6 days/week). My experience in martial arts was more casual.
I just started rolling again, and I wrestled for 7 years up until senior year of high school. A lot of the wrestling habits are still there, and I kinda feel outa line when I hit moves cause I worry that I’m being too forceful.
People at my gym seem very understanding though, and there are a lot of intense dudes too, so that’s nice.
You get a similar thing with judo guys. In their ground work they can win by submission and pin (I think 30 seconds or something??). So when judo guy pins you can really feel the pressure and the strength. (Joe Rogan describes "chimp strength" and my experience is he's right).
This is my question every time i watch Nicky Rod
You can fairly safely add Judoka to this list. You can TELL when you're rolling with a Judoka because they don't give you any space. They're always trying to throw you and it feels pretty futile trying to take them down yourself. When they get to mount or side control you're stuck there because they're used to holding a pin for 10-20 seconds trying to get Ippon. Chimp strength and generally really good conditioning too.
because of the amount of time they have in their competitions I used to say in bjj we want to make you tap and sometimes you are too slow and we hurt you instead but in Judo or Catch etc they try to hurt you and sometimes you are too fast and tap so they have to let you go....
I have Kind of the same mindset in Striking. The ones Who challenge me are my favourites because they make me grow.
Btw I love the little Detail at the end of your Videos when you clap your Hands and the beat kicks in 😀
And here I got two questions:
1st would you ever do a Video where you react so some BJJ Memes and maybe explain them? In my imagination it would be quite funny. 😀
2nd Is that true that many BJJ Players are adviced to go on a vegan diet? I was just wondering because i have seen many Videos telling so. 🤔
Anyway, have a nice day and enjoy yourself 😀🤙
Whats your opinion about Combat Wrestling (IFCW)?
I wrestled in high school (21 now), and I just started jiu jitsu. Absolutely love it! But the biggest culture shock is that bjj guys aren’t as… “bullish” as wrestlers are (which makes sense given the nature of both sports). I’m really still trying to figure out what “light roll” means. I get the concept, slower pace and less intensity. But it is incredibly hard to do so when wrestling really only had 2 Intensities. Drilling at 10-50% various moves or positions, and live, which is 100%
I've been rolling with wrestlers since early 70's in gym class, I was a hooper in HS, now I"M semi retired teaching MMA . I have another ex wrestler 75 who still grinds. Health before wealth!
I want to do mma and I just started bjj but since Im more used to watching UFC and such Im more explosive rolling because Im not too sure how to roll relaxed
We had a wrestler come in our gym, MMA gym, but it was a bjj night. First roll i tapped him with a scissor choke. After that? Ya I couldn't do shit. I guess I woke him up because after that me and everybody else got smashed except some pro guys we have. And despite doing super well he never came back. I still think about the random wrestler who kicked my ass and disappeared into the wind
Judo and Wrestling is because you are highly likely to receive a passivity/stall call against you. In Judo, you can't even stiff arm, you have to be actively looking for the throw. In BJJ, there isn't really any passive points, you can play in half guard for 2 to 5 minutes and still win the match, for having dominant position...half-guard -- scene that happen. Judo and Wrestling you need to get things done yesterday. MMA...You don't want to be on your back. Let me say that again, You don't want to be on your back. I don't know one MMA coach out there that says, what were going to do is make sure you are on your back for 5 minutes and try to win from half guard. You to have urgency to get up. Yes you can win, but it is less frequent, and you need to be Dimian mia good who uses sweeps to get to top. It's why old school BJJ works better in MMA, then the new school stuff. Old school was about pressure and top mount. New school is about half-guard and is more of game for a sport. Half-Guard is a bad position to be in MMA or self-defense.
But isn't new school BJJ highly evolved in the leg-lock game?
I absolutely love the pace of wrestling... that being said I love BJJ not that I’m older and fatter
it's so funny because i've recently started training in a specifically BJJ for MMA class where i'm rolling with mostly big MMA guys and they're all technically purple belts and blue belts with a few black belts here and there but at first i'm like "I'm a brown belt, why are they killing me so badly in side control, etc..." but i decided i really wanted to keep going to this class because i know i needed that to grow my game even better and it certainly has
Hey Nick, do you have advice on getting into the same mentality as wrestlers/mma fighters? I pretty much only roll with those guys and either always get smashed or can’t actually advance with position and submissions. I’m a blue belt but kinda feel like I haven’t earned it if I can’t beat the wrestler who walks in on his first day.
Thanks.
it's hard to explain, put it this way
No one and I mean no one will submit me, not jon jones
no one, that's just how I am. I may lose but I'll go again and again until I win. Wrestlers don't get tired. You go to fight to the literal death. you get ripped apart or he does. Win by any means nessary
Get into a cagefight
Just went to my first tournament (which was my last week as a white belt, woot) and I got CREAMED by a guy who had only trained MMA for the past 12 years. He was SO fast and strong, and was also clearly more skilled than me. It was WAY more shaking than even the senior students I was used to rolling with. This video was timely, because I am simply not used to getting taken down and he dropped me like a fly lol.
I come from a primarily wrestling background and some jujitsu experience with mostly no gee. I've noticed that when I have rolled in strictly BJJ schools the higher up belts tend to frown upon you. I have had purple and black belts not want to roll with me, they sometimes pretend like I'm not even there. This is frustrating because I really enjoy rolling even if I get my ass whopped, I take it as a learning experience. Don't get me wrong I've worked some purple and black belts, but I don't intend to disrespect anyone. The wrestling mentality is drive, drive, drive, pressure, pressure, pressure. It's hard to get rid of that habit when it's been ingrained into you. So in all I tend to stay away from gee and straight BJJ schools because I feel unwelcomed. Sad because I love whatever experience I can get.
When he talks about the slow fast stop he really just means what the gracies call red light and green light moments where this is the time to go and step on the gas and where to stop
If you're training for self defense, should your rolling always have an urgent pace?
If you’re training for self defense you should be practicing Takedown defense and getting off the ground ASAP
Yup standing up and not playing guard should be a huge priority if it is self defense. Tim Kennedy just put out a really good video mixing in some wrestling/getting on top for jiujitsu people
czcams.com/video/2UzZgtlhNjQ/video.html here’s a link to that Tim Kennedy vid
Doing something to cause your enemy to react and staying one turn ahead of them, forcing them into a constant defence loop. Never give them an opportunity to carry out their plans because they are always reacting to you, who is one step ahead, always. This is true of all types of battle.
Is your gym open chewy ? Is it safe to go training ?
Is has been safe for healthy people all along.
Man, i never wrestled, but the first mma gym i went to, had a wrestling/grappling styled class... holy shit i was relieved when i found jits. Lmao love them both, but when it was new... holy shit its a shocker😂
A martial art that only works against practitioners of that martial art has become a game. I support cross training, especially if you train for self defense.
I agree. I hate striking (been KO'd before) so I'll never be truly well-rounded but I want to be the most well-rounded grappler I can be! Takedowns, top control, guard, I want it all!
Where do we send you questions
As someone who has trained and fought all three disciplines (and original jiu jitsu) its because bjj insists on itself to work. If you dont agree to go down on the floor a lot of bjj isnt going to be workable. And when looking to trap an opponent you're dependant upon your opponents engagement.
Still a valuable martial art, and this is just my opinion and personal experience
im 14 and have been doing BJJ for 4 days now and when we practicing our techniques i get them down pretty easily but when we roll all the adults and stronger people than me just hold me down the whole time and submission me and its mainly because there using there strength. Is BJJ not right for me?
Hope you didn't give up yet, because this is the experience of basically everybody when they start BJJ. As far as bigger people using "strength", as a novice grappler, how can you be sure that they're just using strength and not employing techniques or tactics that you're not yet aware of? Believe it or not, there are technical ways to make yourself heavier when you're on top of someone using leverage and body positioning: judoka and wrestlers are especially adept at using this skill, and will make your life miserable if they get you trapped under their side control or mount.
Fact of the matter is, if someone has you under their side control or mount, or if someone has taken your back, those positions are super hard to get out of until you gain a lot of experience; it doesn't matter who you are. And even when you do learn how to escape, sometimes you're just not going to be able to. Even the best judoka in the world lose matches by getting pinned (osaekomi-waza). It's definitely possible for smaller people to learn how to escape with technique and good timing, but it takes a long time to develop that skill, so my advice to you would be to just keep at it if you are otherwise enjoying it.
Was your meditation a pre-roll or did you roll it yourself Coach
Haha you guys keep saying that. That's not mediation to me.
I know coach ._i'm just breakn balls@@Chewjitsu
On the ground with just wrestling isn't bad but standing with them sucks. But you learn how to deal with them
Dammmmm this a good advice
They can’t deal with these ankle picks brah
So true😂. Ankle picks are my favorite!!
Hold on i’m talking brother
Spin and escape
I always thought it was fun in Gi. Don't even have to grab the ankle, just a fist full of pants anywhere around the shin area. 😂
When I first started training I would unknowingly put my arms in the referees position Instead of getting good grips and I got submitted A LOT because of it. There’s some downsides to adopting the wrestling mentality into the peacefulness of jiu jitsu.
It's Mentality and Technique. Remember this is Training for a Fight, not simply BJJ.
If thats what you're training for. Some guys just like BJJ for the sport.
That's a weird coincidence. I was working on my explosiveness today.
Just thinking, it would be interesting to see two advanced belts roll with only using white belt techniques. Just a thought. Kinda like watching what two great chefs would make with mac and cheese.
I notice the biggest difference when doing take downs. Judo guys play the chess match. Wrestlers explode in for single and double legs. Just need a fast sprawl, and a good guillotine. When rolling I have noticed that wrestlers will give up their back far more often.
I Trained Bjj for 6 or 7 months now I train at a mma focused jiu jitsu gym. I rolled for the first time and those guys tempo is on 10!
Explosiveness = strength times speed
Wrestlers are more athletic on average than a bjj athlete,even tho bjj guys are getting more and more explosive and stronger and also implementing wrestling more and more. But I cant forget Maia vs. Askren match where you saw how a great bjj player went vs a great wrestler. So I think everyone have their own strenghts they can implement on other styles. But I agree pace is slower in BJJ,but you need to think more,there are many more techniques...
In mma I feel it all depends on who sets up their game better. Maia choked Askren and even Chael out when he got them to the ground but also remember when he fought Usman, Munoz, Weidman, Colby, and Tyron Woodley (all great wrestlers) he was unsuccesful against all of them.
My first couple of classes all it seemed I ever did was roll with wrestlers so much so that when I roll with a Jiujitsu guys I feel they are taking it too easy on me and I feel I'm going to hard on them 🤣
I literally, got a crash course in Jiujitsu.
People tell me often a good amature wrestlers would stomp any martial artist including Jiu Jitsu people. I find it hard to believe. I feel anyone has a chance against anyone else.
I train MMA and NoGi. Whenever I roll with pure BBJ practitioners, they point out that 1. I'm fast 2. I'm strong. I guess it also secretly means that I'm not that technical, which is true.
Yeah, that's called "a backhanded compliment." Passive-aggressive crybabies...
Also, real fights are shorter and explosive. It’s IBJJF and the Gi, starting from your knees (BS) that ruins the self defense efficiency of GJJ and turns it into BJJ.
You could easily throw judo in the title there, when they get their grips they go zero to 100
Especially the part about certain grips not being allowed, all I hear is shido.
Roman Chumachenko, my middle name is Shido. Lol
Yep. Very much so.
@@mjolnir9855 lol
Vaffangulo chewy!!!!!!!
Vaffangulo?
@@Chewjitsu well I hope you don't get offended but I always asked you some questions here in the comments and you never replied.
Is this for me and Zach?😤
Nope! haha
Our upper belts almost giggle out loud when a wrestler shows up to class. Give them a chance to test their skills.
Heat1996, you sound so angry. LoL. Rolling is not a life or death competition.
@HEAT1996 I wrestled for about 10 years and have a blackbelt in Sanuces Ryu Jiu Jistu. Your comment comes across as misinformed and petty. If someone can beat you with raw athleticism and your skill isn't great enough to control it then you deserve the loss and the lesson that comes with it. Same with sheer strength, I hate when someone claims they lost because their opponent was stronger or a "spaz". When my students try to throw that insult at each other I always try to correct them, you lost because your skill level isn't high enough to control raw strength? That would mean you either haven't worked on your own power or haven't worked on flowing around your opponent's resistance. That's why those of us that have been at this long enough really love new people coming into the gym, they all push us in unexpected ways and make us work new techniques around them. I love to have powerlifters come in who I cannot move in any set direction so my options are limited and my controls are vulnerable the small losses I experience to them when they can break my guard with raw power or when I cant bar their arms is a new lesson for me to learn and the absolute best way to get better. With any part of life, I would advise you to ask how your actions could have created success and what you need to work on to get there. Ofocurse free advice is worth the paper it's written on so choose your own path, but getting mad at the internet because you got beaten by someone's athleticism is just going to lead to resentment towards grappling and a poisoned mindset that will hinder your own learning.
So true Motrin! I've been the bloody guinea pig for purple belts and brown belts in the gym to try their techniques 😅
Kevin Nguyen this is the vibe I got lmao
I love rolling with wrestlers. you kinda realize that not everyone grapples like who you are use to and you need to adapt.
Ahahaha Chewy on that CBD again 💀💀💀💀
I noticed the guys in no gi gyms roll very fast paced n explosive and get very physical
@Mobile Games u gotta be technical with Gi. Ur not slipping out of everything while in the gi.
We had a female champion wrestler from Eastern Europe that come visit one summer, and she smashes everyone up until purple belt. 😅
To be fair elite bjj like adcc guys literal have wrestling pacing.
Wrestling requires more power n athleticism. Bjj guys use angles, leverage and technique to set up finishes. The bjj guy isn't afraid to be on the ground, the wrestler is. The wrestler gets clueless wen a guy pulls guard
because they're doing it right
Doing it right? Depends. Usually doesn't work in a BJJ match long term.
This is why I stick to no-gi. All that grip stuff gets so boring
Am I the only one allways annoyed that mats on the side are not in line LOL
long story short. some people have far more concern about the safety of their training partners than others
How do you mean?
Short answer. They are able to.
I guess.
I would be 100% more stronger and explosive in bjj, if i was training harder and taking mma qnd wrestling 3-4 times a week and ate well and lifted weights and cyckled everywhere and stuff.
Wrestlers train explosively because their sport requires total physical dominance, it's not like jiu-jitsu where you can essentially "win" from all positions. This creates some sort of desperation. The way I see it, this desperate mindset is the main difference between me as a wrestler and jiu jitsu player and someone that does pure jiu jitsu
Broadening horizons. Different styles and techniques are always good.
Because they're not bound by the concept of being soft and not using raw power.
I feel like this entire video was made just because I’ve been bouncing in the corner of every practice
Zachary Schultz 😂 nah. I only mess with you cause I did the same stuff.
Not going to lie, I clicked on this because I thought it was Steven crowder
Wrestlers just have more mat time. A 6 year high school wrestler is a purple belts body with a white belt mentality.
I think bjj is explosive in competition but not training
Wrestling matches are 7 minutes long, not 2.
I was talking about the periods. But I mistakenly referenced highschool style folk wrestling which is broken up into 3 2 minute periods.