ASTONISHING Drama In Tiafoe vs Raonic Over Unusual Rule | Toronto 2023

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  • @costarica0305
    @costarica0305 Před 10 měsíci +1302

    The fact that he acknowledged that he was wrong so quick is unbelievable, great umpiring

    • @matthewginette6609
      @matthewginette6609 Před 10 měsíci +55

      unbelibabol* -Rafael Nadal

    • @arvindkugan9667
      @arvindkugan9667 Před 10 měsíci +15

      @@matthewginette6609 More like ombelibabol still it's a nice accent to hear.

    • @hellodavey1902
      @hellodavey1902 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@matthewginette6609😂😂😂

    • @raoulhery
      @raoulhery Před 10 měsíci +14

      fly emirates is clearly at fault here. Changing the essence of the game for sponsorship reasons.

    • @Felixzyy
      @Felixzyy Před 10 měsíci +1

      what's the name of the umpire?

  • @mnztr1
    @mnztr1 Před 10 měsíci +658

    Took the time to explain the ruling clearly, called out the referee to confirm. 100% PRO job by the ump.

    • @giorgiozignani-ww8if
      @giorgiozignani-ww8if Před 10 měsíci

      No way

    • @giorgiozignani-ww8if
      @giorgiozignani-ww8if Před 10 měsíci

      @@rafaundisputedgoat4291he will probably be retired at that point

    • @chrisrox112
      @chrisrox112 Před 6 měsíci

      Not quite. Umpire says that he called “touch”. That ruling was in error, as he LATER “realised” and “changed his mind” to get to the correct call. The umpires first call always stands, unless overruled by a challenge. The point is always replayed if the umpire makes an error and is later corrected.

    • @tylerfengler2884
      @tylerfengler2884 Před 3 měsíci

      I think you meant terrible job

    • @mnztr1
      @mnztr1 Před 3 měsíci

      @@tylerfengler2884 No I think he went by the book, its an obscure rule and he explained it.

  • @fatalexception_
    @fatalexception_ Před 10 měsíci +454

    Huge respect to Fergus Murphy. I know we've seen some horrible umpiring, so it's actually refreshing to see somebody handle a situation like this so well.

    • @noeldacosta7621
      @noeldacosta7621 Před 10 měsíci +2

      No dude, he gets it wrong more often than right. Murphy's Law. My least favourite umpire.

    • @ryoshusuke2108
      @ryoshusuke2108 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Fergus Murphy worst umpire ever

    • @dannyskr-6889
      @dannyskr-6889 Před 6 měsíci

      As kyrgios once said about him, he's a 'potato with legs and arms'.

    • @tylerfengler2884
      @tylerfengler2884 Před 3 měsíci

      This was some of the worst umpiring I have ever seen what are you smoking. Dude was horrific. He did so bad

    • @michalrehacek3462
      @michalrehacek3462 Před 15 dny

      ​@@tylerfengler2884 where is the hate coming from? He explained his thought process, admitted his initial error in judgement after realising there is another relevant circumstance... What more do you want?

  • @hero0149
    @hero0149 Před 10 měsíci +396

    Usually in videos like this, the referee makes a mistake, so I was surprised that he made a calm and accurate judgment.

    • @vBerk
      @vBerk Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@rafaundisputedgoat4291 ​ rafaundisputedgoat4291 is making an unrelated reply to a comment.
      I dare ​rafaundisputedgoat4291 to make a reply related to a comment in 2024

    • @vBerk
      @vBerk Před 9 měsíci

      @@rafaundisputedgoat4291 no way you had 10 days to respond and this what you come back with 💀

    • @vBerk
      @vBerk Před 9 měsíci

      @@rafaundisputedgoat4291 come on rafaundisputedgoat4291 you have to do better than this, you're letting rafa down right now

    • @Akash_Tyagi_93
      @Akash_Tyagi_93 Před 2 měsíci

      And then they exacerbate the situation by being stubborn and go hard by not admitting the error.
      They must realise that it's ok to make error. We are all human. But recognise and change it to correct call now when you still can.

    • @johncharles2357
      @johncharles2357 Před měsícem

      Umpire and referee are two different things.

  • @benneden2580
    @benneden2580 Před 10 měsíci +533

    Give the referee a raise. That requires a very cool and calm head.

    • @tomr6955
      @tomr6955 Před 10 měsíci +11

      Yeah, so now Raonic should just hang onto that section of the net because it's not part of singles rofl.

    • @danielfros
      @danielfros Před 10 měsíci +31

      @@tomr6955 I was lucky enough to bump into Fergus Murphy at a bar in Indian Wells, and share conversation over a pint of beer. He's super friendly and well-spoken. He was initially studying to become a lawyer in Ireland, so he knows how to make an effective and clear argument.

    • @tomr6955
      @tomr6955 Před 10 měsíci +12

      @@danielfros I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying the rules are stupid. Players should just use that section of the net as a break (like Tiafoe did) and hang onto it.

    • @danielfros
      @danielfros Před 10 měsíci +12

      @@tomr6955 I was not aware of this rule either. I agree it seems a bit bizarre, but apparently it is the correct interpretation. Raonic has a right to be angry at such a consequential point. Dunno how anyone's gaining an advantage hanging onto the end of the net though. Maybe they should have a singles net like they did in that recent exhibition. More crowd pleasing ATPs and it would avoid this rule.

    • @BassByTheBay
      @BassByTheBay Před 10 měsíci +8

      ​@@tomr6955Agreed. It's silly to argue that it's a permanent fixture when it still clearly moves the rest of the net if you push it hard enough as evidenced by the slow-mo video showing what happened when Tiafoe pushed it. What a weird, unnecessarily complicated rule.

  • @shivainsuroya2375
    @shivainsuroya2375 Před 10 měsíci +279

    As an umpire you cannot re correct yourself. The fact that he saw and realised and explained to tournament refree and to the players about the situation. That’s some next level concentration and calmness in the tense moment. That’s some guts and confidence right there to do that is next level.

    • @javiert.592
      @javiert.592 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Anyway Raonic might have got distracted by the initial touch call by the umpire...

    • @shivainsuroya2375
      @shivainsuroya2375 Před 10 měsíci

      @@javiert.592 i agree in that case of due to hindrance caused by the umpires call shouldn't that be a let you reckon?

    • @jamesmpetrakis6019
      @jamesmpetrakis6019 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Knowledge! Fergus has knowledge which gives him the guts and confidence… loved how he kept smiling throughout! Never flustered.

    • @BassByTheBay
      @BassByTheBay Před 10 měsíci +14

      ​@@shivainsuroya2375No, because Tiafoe didn't touch the net till after the ball passed Milos, and the call came after the ball landed. Milos was not hindered by the call.

    • @ruthylopez
      @ruthylopez Před 10 měsíci

      Wrong! You WOULD be right if the "touch" call had been made during the point. But if you go back and watch the video carefully, you'll see that the umpire doesn't make the call, until AFTER the ball has bounced twice. At that point, the point is over and there is no hindrance. @@shivainsuroya2375

  • @pratheekk__
    @pratheekk__ Před 10 měsíci +180

    1:02 "What the fuck a net is a net." - Milos Raonic 2023

    • @kristiannelson1851
      @kristiannelson1851 Před 10 měsíci +30

      🤣 This has to be put on t-shirts

    • @UrbFoxFact
      @UrbFoxFact Před 10 měsíci +5

      yeah raonic was funny when he said that. hilarious to see the king of calm use an expletive.

    • @mateusmotta1948
      @mateusmotta1948 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Gotta agree with him.

    • @ThePokeGod
      @ThePokeGod Před 10 měsíci

      Legs crossed and so sassy with it 😭

    • @minisurfbanana
      @minisurfbanana Před 10 měsíci +5

      Sorry to hear Milos doesnt know this rule!! I have known this rule since junior days 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ thats why they have Ads on it for singles n take it off for doubles!

  • @zeljkocrljenica7135
    @zeljkocrljenica7135 Před 10 měsíci +56

    "I have the answers, I have the answers!" Brilliant, well done Fergus 👍

  • @m.myriel2182
    @m.myriel2182 Před 10 měsíci +248

    Accurate and quality umpiring, and surprising out of Raonic. After I heard the final clarification from the chair of, "This not a judgement call, this is the rules." I guessed that Raonic, a very cerebral and composed player, who had, up to that point in the match and the discussion, shown that, would've simply accepted it without scruple. I am happy to see that he won today, however, and I hope that he can find stride and form again on the tour after such a long time away.

    • @jonbonesmahomes7472
      @jonbonesmahomes7472 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Yeah..didnt expect him to break a racquet after the situation..

    • @raoulhery
      @raoulhery Před 10 měsíci

      they should replay the point a remove the sponsors. This is a single match for god's sake.

    • @TheMitchie21
      @TheMitchie21 Před 10 měsíci +4

      My problem with this ruling is that that part of the net is present. So either let them play on a true singles court or remove this rule cause it's bullshit

    • @TheMitchie21
      @TheMitchie21 Před 10 měsíci

      @@zlmdragon. Wtf is that kind of a question. I just think the rule itself is weird and should be changed and here you go being an idiot

    • @geitmetsik
      @geitmetsik Před 10 měsíci +11

      Yeah, but I do get the frustration and the pushback. You're coming back after a long time away, playing on a huge event in a tiebreak 12 - 13 down.... You don't want to give it away like that. So it's understandable in my opinion

  • @yellowait_music
    @yellowait_music Před 10 měsíci +50

    I love this umpire, explaining things so well and clearly and able to come back on a call he has made.

  • @c3vzn
    @c3vzn Před 10 měsíci +82

    Damn that’s good umpiring. Great clarity of thought and player management.

  • @TroyWilliamsYouTube
    @TroyWilliamsYouTube Před 10 měsíci +179

    And Raonic went on to win the match ... wow!

    • @NakedEyes-lm3bj
      @NakedEyes-lm3bj Před 10 měsíci +3

      Congrats Raonic! 💥💥💥

    • @zetristan4525
      @zetristan4525 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Caused a raonic boom💥

    • @blucat4
      @blucat4 Před 10 měsíci

      @@zetristan4525 😄, but only because it's late and I'm drunk! 😄

    • @zetristan4525
      @zetristan4525 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @rafaundisputedgoat4291 Raonic will use his aces and crucial double-faults to Stop him

  • @robmagu65
    @robmagu65 Před 10 měsíci +37

    I played D1 and some limited challenger events and I had no idea about this rule! I thought the net is the net. Wow, great umpire

    • @my8osprive
      @my8osprive Před 10 měsíci +5

      The net should be the net though because the net is there as an obstacle for the ball to reach the opponent's court from a wide shot. It's a dumb rule.

    • @mbkincaid1
      @mbkincaid1 Před 10 měsíci

      and if a ball touches that part of the net then its out regardless of where it bounces

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      It’s incredible to me how few universities and tournaments have a supply of singles sticks for their matches. I had a coach who would always bring them and encouraged all of his students to get their own and always practice with them.

    • @potzysk2
      @potzysk2 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@my8osprive It's not a dumb rule, because on some courts there is no net outside the singles posts! So on those courts you can just keep running to the other side. Why should you lose if there's a net there on other courts? It actually makes logical sense, although I never knew this rule after 50 years of league and tournament tennis.

    • @my8osprive
      @my8osprive Před 10 měsíci

      @@potzysk2 But on those courts that you mention, one can hit a low ball from a wide position and manage to put the ball in the opponent's court. On this court though you can't because it's an obstacle for the ball, hence it should be an obstacle for the player as well. Otherwise should call a replay the point if the ball hits that part of the net...

  • @MartinJohnZ
    @MartinJohnZ Před 10 měsíci +28

    An obscure rule like this playing a role in the first place is quite unusual, the rule being enforced at 13-12 in a tiebreak makes it really exceptional.

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      It’s not obscure. It’s literally Rule 1 of tennis.

    • @TearTheRoof0ff
      @TearTheRoof0ff Před 10 měsíci +13

      @@AinSoph73 That you're allowed to touch specifically the short, straight section of net on either side in singles whilst a ball is in play? Rule 1? _Really?_

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      @@TearTheRoof0ff will take you 45 seconds to find it on google

    • @echochamber1234
      @echochamber1234 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@TearTheRoof0ff rule one or rule 1001, doesn't matter. gotta enforce it.

    • @TearTheRoof0ff
      @TearTheRoof0ff Před 10 měsíci

      @@echochamber1234 Well, yeah.

  • @shmtennis5212
    @shmtennis5212 Před 10 měsíci +17

    Great umpiring. Players should have really respected him enough to allow him to explain things when the supervisor came out without interruption. He was 100% correct and handled it very professionally.

  • @JokerCat9
    @JokerCat9 Před 10 měsíci +43

    You learn something new every day. Great readjustment from Milos to win the match.

    • @JokerCat9
      @JokerCat9 Před 10 měsíci

      @@rafaundisputedgoat4291 hi troll 👋

  • @janko3758
    @janko3758 Před 10 měsíci +101

    While this was a show of great umpiring and situational awareness, Milos brought up a rebuttal to the supervisor that should bring forth reevaluation of this rule. He points out that if he hits the doubles side of the net in question and the ball lands in, then it wouldn't be his point based on the rules that this very specific area of the net does not "exist." While a very unrealistic scenario, I think it goes to show that this rule may need to be reviewed, or simply put, the net posts for all tournaments just need to be adjusted to singles and doubles accordingly to avoid any controversies like this (especially in a Master's 1000).

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci +4

      Bruh, that makes no sense. On a singles net court the ball in your scenario would just continue traveling through empty space resulting in a loss of a point.

    • @cocoboros
      @cocoboros Před 10 měsíci +5

      ​@AinSoph73 There is the case where Tiafoe pushes the ball far wide which causes Riaonic to hit it back into court from far wide. In this case the ball could possibly snag the doubles side of the net and then go out.

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      @@cocoboros what’s your point

    • @cocoboros
      @cocoboros Před 10 měsíci +5

      @AinSoph73 It depends on where Riaonic is hitting the ball from. You aren't thinking outside the box.

    • @nathanjen
      @nathanjen Před 10 měsíci +26

      In situations where a doubles net with singles sticks is used for a singles match, the portion of the net beyond the singles sticks is considered a 'permanent fixture' which means a point ends as soon as the ball touches it (but that there is no penalty for the player himself touching it during play). That means if someone were to hit a ball into the 'doubles portion' of the net, they instantly lose the point, even if the ball lands in afterwards.
      I agree switching between singles/doubles nets as necessary is ideal, but I also don't think it's the end of the world to use singles sticks. To counter Milos's argument, another example of a permanent fixture are the walls surrounding the court. There are many scenarios, particularly on the return of serve, where a player could benefit from extra room to maneuver but loses the point because the ball hits the wall before they get a racquet on it. Should we look at removing walls from courts, or insisting they are a standardized distance away from the court so that players won't ever run into them? Different courts have slightly different permanent fixtures, including the net in some cases, and it's up to the players to accommodate for them.

  • @nelsonc6173
    @nelsonc6173 Před 10 měsíci +11

    OK never knew that rule! I always assumed that touching the entire width of the net was illegal during point play during doubles and singles! Live and learn!

  • @BassByTheBay
    @BassByTheBay Před 10 měsíci +73

    Yes, an uncharacteristic racquet throw from Milos, but I'd guess he threw it because of the frustration of losing a long, close tiebreak combined with the acknowledgement of a questionable rule.

    • @Birdylockso
      @Birdylockso Před 10 měsíci +13

      He may have turned that negative energy into a fighting spirit, as he won the other two sets.

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci +7

      Absolutely nothing questionable about that rule; it appears in magazines written for public park players.

    • @BassByTheBay
      @BassByTheBay Před 10 měsíci +9

      @AinSoph73 I'm saying that the _value_ of the rule is questionable. You could see the rest of the net shake when Tiafoe hit the end section. If it's a "permanent fixture", the rest of the net shouldn't be affected by running into it.

    • @tennnis498
      @tennnis498 Před 10 měsíci +2

      I didn’t know that rule and Milos has been a top player for many years. If he didn’t know it, that in itself is surprising.

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@BassByTheBay oh the VALUE of the rule is questionable 🤣
      Well, when you play tennis just don’t use singles sticks and then whatever part of the net you touch, or your opponent touches, will be the singles net.

  • @Birdylockso
    @Birdylockso Před 10 měsíci +67

    It makes perfect sense once you realize that in a single match, the net shouldn't be that wide. Good call.

    • @ethan.milavsky4516
      @ethan.milavsky4516 Před 10 měsíci +7

      ya but if the ball hits that part of the nets and then goes in it still counts...

    • @Birdylockso
      @Birdylockso Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@ethan.milavsky4516 If a ball can hit that part of the net and then goes in, the ball would have gone in without the net anyway. What is your point?

    • @saccount8009
      @saccount8009 Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@Birdylockso lets say your shot is going out but the ball hit the doubles net post and bounced off a weird angle where it landed in the singles court for a winner then the umpire would give you the point

    • @benjaminhackett9614
      @benjaminhackett9614 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@saccount8009 you'd lose the point if your shot hits a permanent fixture before landing in your opponent's court. That extra part of the net and net post are considered permanent fixtures while singles sticks are in use.

    • @saccount8009
      @saccount8009 Před 10 měsíci

      @@benjaminhackett9614 i have seen clips of that happening but i carnt quite remember if the doubles part of the net was there id have to go find the clips of those super rare shots

  • @DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour
    @DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour Před 10 měsíci +35

    The thing I find very odd about this rule is the argument that because this is a singles match, we should ignore the doubles part of the net.
    Yet, if the ball hits the doubles part of the net, you will lose the point. I mean the net is there, it makes it more difficult to hit around the net post etc.
    It would have a fairly significant impact on matches if they removed that section of the net. It doesn't make much sense to act as if the net is not there when you think about it.

    • @wakajawaka
      @wakajawaka Před 10 měsíci +9

      Totally. You can't implement rules about a "ghost" net sometimes and not other times. It's an absurd ruling. Seems like the ump made a noble rule by overruling himself but I think he shouldn't have actually. This might lead to rule adjustments for next season!

    • @chefc3023
      @chefc3023 Před 10 měsíci +5

      yea they should def adjust the net/post based on singles or doubles

    • @json_bourne3812
      @json_bourne3812 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@wakajawaka made up a rule? 😂😂 you definitely can have rules that vary based on these nets, because one situation is east to judge and the other you can't determine a winner.
      A player touches the "ghost net" after hitting the ball: BALL is still live/in play and can be ruled upon.
      A ball is hit into the "ghost net": Even modern day with Hawkeye saying it would've gone in, the other player should have the opportunity to play the ball back so at MOST it would be a "replay the point" scenario.
      Though I don't think things will change from this one clip/instance, I do think all courts should be upgraded/updated to have nets+net pole slots for both singles and doubles (at least places that hold professional tournaments).

    • @RigMaster_
      @RigMaster_ Před 10 měsíci +1

      Also I've seen players hit a ball on the top of the net of the doubles part during the rally and the ball goes in and it was considered play on. By this logic it shouldn't have been allowed and the point ends.

    • @JohnDoe-jy7sv
      @JohnDoe-jy7sv Před 10 měsíci

      That is correct. The play should have been over. There’s nothing inconsistent here.

  • @ad-rock603
    @ad-rock603 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Milos touched the net with his foot against Del Potro during this same tournament about 7 years back. Raonic didn't own up and took the point, despite the jumbo tron showing him doing it. I think it was during a tie break & Del Potro didn't win another point

  • @Cinfuhl
    @Cinfuhl Před 10 měsíci +14

    Good to see Milos back

  • @barbaragillett9904
    @barbaragillett9904 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Totally agree with this umpire great job Fergus 👏👏👏👏🙏❤️🇬🇧

  • @brucee6123
    @brucee6123 Před 10 měsíci +1

    That's really something - I best most players never realized this. But that the section does count in doubles because it extends to the doubles line. I was this old today ...

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      Hackers don’t know but pros like Milos should know better.

  • @steven7846
    @steven7846 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Take balls to do what this umpire did. Most judge would not have the courage to go back on their even if they realised they were completely wrong.

  • @warrenguy76
    @warrenguy76 Před 10 měsíci +2

    He’s absolutely my favorite umpire now. That was a great call under the circumstances.

  • @randomboris
    @randomboris Před 10 měsíci +42

    I didn't realize that one section of the net has different rules than other sections of the net. I thought any touch to any part of the net would make them lose the point.

    • @lilguy7842
      @lilguy7842 Před 10 měsíci +21

      They explained since the court is also played for doubles they use a longer net that encompasses both lengths of play, on a singles only court there would have been no net where tiafoe landed

    • @darrenjohn8524
      @darrenjohn8524 Před 10 měsíci +6

      ​So now players are allowed to touch the doubles area part of the net for balance? Clownish rules 🤣.

    • @nguyenucnhan7935
      @nguyenucnhan7935 Před 10 měsíci +16

      ​​​@@darrenjohn8524It wouldn't have mattered since the "double" part of the net is so far out on both sides, it'll leave a huge court for the opponent to exploit. So no, don't think anyone will abuse that part of the net since it leaves them vulnerable.

    • @bhuvanesh0115
      @bhuvanesh0115 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Some questionable rules are still there in tennis.Djokovic vs Nadal 2013 RG,at a crucial moment Djokovic hits a smash,but before the ball crossed the net and the point was awarded to Nadal.Though it was right within the rules,it rises the possibilities of "iffs" and "whats".I am not telling Djokovic would have won the match,but at the same time you can't say he wouldn't have won.These rules should be either removed or amended based on intentions (like the offside rule in football) of the player.

    • @marcusbrsp
      @marcusbrsp Před 10 měsíci +1

      I also did not know that. Weird rule. What if you cross the net with your racquet when you hit the ball of the "double section" of the net?
      I guess "that part of the net doesn't count (for singles)" holds true in that case, too.

  • @Johnmili4565
    @Johnmili4565 Před 10 měsíci +16

    “So he wins” 😂😂😂😂

  • @5karmax
    @5karmax Před 10 měsíci +69

    Salute to the umpire for opening our eyes to a new rule position. Also respect to Milos for not loosing his cool. Totally professional

    • @cwongyy
      @cwongyy Před 10 měsíci +86

      milos smashed his racquet before he sat down lol

    • @bartholomewlyons
      @bartholomewlyons Před 10 měsíci +12

      Camera didn’t show that. For all we know, he most probably smacked a girl’s bottom.

    • @jaimodi640
      @jaimodi640 Před 10 měsíci +24

      ​@@bartholomewlyonsand that would be professional?

  • @Michael-kb3tt
    @Michael-kb3tt Před 10 měsíci

    Amazing ! ❤

  • @JohnnySantoDomingo
    @JohnnySantoDomingo Před 10 měsíci +1

    this is the most exciting thing I've seen all year.

  • @Nicotine46
    @Nicotine46 Před 10 měsíci

    Woaw that's something I never seen. Great call by the Umpire

  • @Jimmy27404
    @Jimmy27404 Před 10 měsíci

    Very interesting call! And it is right!

  • @MinisterMindset369
    @MinisterMindset369 Před 10 měsíci +6

    Ok after the fact I understand. It’s because they can’t change from a singles net to a doubles net for obvious reasons. BUT would it be a singles only court, there would be no net to impeded Tiafoe’s path.
    It’s a strange situation but it makes perfect sense.
    Glad Milos took the match 😂

    • @andystojadinovich1492
      @andystojadinovich1492 Před 10 měsíci

      If there was no net in the doubles alley, then Tiafoe would have crossed over to the other side of the court because of his momentum and lack of balance in that run to get the short ball. Once he crosses, he loses the point. This is a strange call. I understand why the ump made that decision, but there are other factors to consider as well. The ump called out “touch” which stops the play. I know Raonic could never have gotten to the ball, but that is considered a hindrance call too.
      Upon further analysis of the situation, IMO the point should have gone to Raonic. However, in the heat of the moment, the chair ump needs to make a quick judgment call. I can’t fault him for this decision. He handled the situation in a very respectful and professional way.

    • @viktor7401
      @viktor7401 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@andystojadinovich1492 Pretty sure you can actually cross over to the other side, just not touch any part of your opponent's court.

  • @myungahn5183
    @myungahn5183 Před 10 měsíci +2

    This reminds me of the Milos vs Delpo match long time ago where Milos got away with a net touch. He lost a lot of fans that day.

    • @wanderlustwarrior
      @wanderlustwarrior Před 5 měsíci +1

      Should've lost some fans here, too. He handled himself very immaturely even before the racket smash.

  • @MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
    @MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Před 10 měsíci

    Fergus Murphy was very polite and used some amazing conflict resolution skills as he dealt with the players...and the pressure....I am so impressed!👍🇨🇦

  • @angelatanurdzic7508
    @angelatanurdzic7508 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Amazing 😮

  • @DesikanJayaram
    @DesikanJayaram Před 10 měsíci

    Umpiring is such a difficult job! This is a phenomenal piece of umpiring!!

  • @a32tl
    @a32tl Před 10 měsíci +2

    I knew about this rule from watching a Monica Seles match years ago. However, she was robbed of the point because the umpire didn’t know the rule about touching the portion of the net that extends beyond the single’s post.

  • @alexburakov3109
    @alexburakov3109 Před 10 měsíci +1

    What a tie-break that was...

  • @manjitkmohan
    @manjitkmohan Před 10 měsíci

    Absolutely superb umpiring! Gold standard!

  • @bricepetit7764
    @bricepetit7764 Před 10 měsíci

    Perfect umpiring job. keep calm, explain. This guys deserve to umpire grand slam finals!

  • @leonardobraynen1524
    @leonardobraynen1524 Před 10 měsíci

    Well i def learned something 2day i didnt before and am astonished!
    Way for chair umpire to hold composure on both players

  • @paullevine7959
    @paullevine7959 Před 10 měsíci

    Well done Mr Umpire, communication superb.

  • @andyroo9381
    @andyroo9381 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Interesting rules call. If that is the rule, then that is the rule. I never knew that stipulation.

  • @GUTOMOFFICIAL
    @GUTOMOFFICIAL Před 10 měsíci +1

    Wow didn't know about that rule.

  • @vadimzitsermusicianvlogcha3870

    Interesting, that even on courts, that specially build for single match's, net is "that wide"

  • @Bratin_Basu
    @Bratin_Basu Před 10 měsíci

    Hat's off to Fergus Murphy.👏🏿🙌🏿
    Standing ovation for him.❤

  • @tele68
    @tele68 Před 10 měsíci +40

    I'm not sure I understand the rule, but it's good to see Raonic playing at a high level again.

    • @JanitorIsBack
      @JanitorIsBack Před 10 měsíci +40

      easy. If this was court just set up for singles the part of the net that tiafoe touch would not have been there. So they are basically saying that between the singles stick and the outside net post is not part of the net and thus touching it is not a foul.

    • @duncanjames8905
      @duncanjames8905 Před 10 měsíci +8

      @@JanitorIsBack which is fair enough, there's a giant ad in that section of the net so it wouldn't even physically behave like a net with any impacts

    • @cmdrfun1
      @cmdrfun1 Před 10 měsíci +8

      You don't understand what was explained clearly several times over the course of the video? lol man, just listen

    • @m.g.2244
      @m.g.2244 Před 10 měsíci

      But without the ad in the section Tiafoe would have come on the side of his opponent. Is that allowed?

    • @PretentiousStuff
      @PretentiousStuff Před 10 měsíci +1

      so if the ball goes into that part of the "net" they should replay the point by the logic, but they don't. This rule is stupid.

  • @justinbouchard
    @justinbouchard Před 10 měsíci +4

    in a pure singles court the net only would be made to where the singles sticks are.
    in a pure singles court, tiafoe would have been able to run past the net post because the net wouldn't have been there.

    • @wakajawaka
      @wakajawaka Před 10 měsíci

      Right. And don't you automatically lose the point if you end up on the other side of the net anyway?

    • @json_bourne3812
      @json_bourne3812 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@wakajawaka as long as you stay off their actual court area, you're allowed to go past the net if you were in the process of making a shot.

    • @justinbouchard
      @justinbouchard Před 10 měsíci

      yep ;) @@json_bourne3812

  • @Lucian86
    @Lucian86 Před 10 měsíci

    that's great umpiring ! that said, they should change this rule. I get it's not part of the singles game but it can impact the net eitherway when touched by someone.

  • @iansmirna5183
    @iansmirna5183 Před 10 měsíci

    I never saw such a rare thing: an umpire who admits being wrong, changes his mind and provides argumentation to support it. Amazing umpiring!

  • @skeet0rz
    @skeet0rz Před 10 měsíci +3

    Well, TIL. Milos's best chance was to try and claim that the call from the umpire stopped him from making a play at the ball.... not that he could have possibly gotten it anyways.

  • @joshforde698
    @joshforde698 Před 10 měsíci

    This is gonna be on Tennis TV, Bro.

  • @StewieStan2K
    @StewieStan2K Před 10 měsíci

    That makes sense though. If they were playing on a singles only court that net post wouldn’t be there.

  • @jesusmtz29
    @jesusmtz29 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I understand the frustration from roanic. But that was very cool headed from the umpire

  • @lucasarmiento1629
    @lucasarmiento1629 Před 10 měsíci

    i ask .. what about when ball touch post and then drop into court... if that counts as a net why this doesn't count?

  • @raviravindran5355
    @raviravindran5355 Před 10 měsíci +2

    At the end both players accepted the umpires decision. Both are classy players.

  • @squalidseal6126
    @squalidseal6126 Před 10 měsíci

    Great umpiring. Clear and not too full of ego that he won’t admit he’s wrong.

  • @unowen7591
    @unowen7591 Před 10 měsíci

    Umpire was like a teacher trying to calm down to kids fighting lol

  • @lars653
    @lars653 Před 9 měsíci

    Very well done by Fergus Murphy here. What i do think is pretty poor though is how many professional players don't know the rules of the game like both players here. How often you see players or analysts in football get the offside rule wrong is another example. I mean, it's their job so they should know the rules of the game, also details like this

  • @anomie4477
    @anomie4477 Před 10 měsíci

    15 years of tennis and I never heard of that rule glad to know it now lol

  • @Bisgreg61
    @Bisgreg61 Před 10 měsíci

    Interesting!

  • @rcyc
    @rcyc Před 10 měsíci +1

    Net or not, it was a great shot!

  • @Andy19771000
    @Andy19771000 Před 10 měsíci

    I play tennis 30 years and WOW, I was suprised

  • @MoorishBrooklyn
    @MoorishBrooklyn Před 10 měsíci +1

    Well, the umpire did his job. The ability to know the rules, ability to correct himself and admit he was wrong on the first call.

  • @dennisfrancis1126
    @dennisfrancis1126 Před 10 měsíci +10

    I mean rules aside, what an incredible get!! Come on! Tiafoe DESERVES to win that point! Fantastic match and a hard-earned win for Raonic.

    • @blucat4
      @blucat4 Před 10 měsíci +5

      It was a hell of a good get, which was overlooked.

  • @rhonwenstephens8539
    @rhonwenstephens8539 Před 10 měsíci

    Well well you live and learn. I've been watching or playing tennis since at least the late 80s. This is a new on me. But cracking job by the umpire

  • @lyttlefat3393
    @lyttlefat3393 Před 10 měsíci

    I didn’t know that before

  • @Gauchothedog
    @Gauchothedog Před 10 měsíci +2

    And this on a set point,I can understand the frustration of Milos

  • @rockesh123
    @rockesh123 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Rules are complicated sometimes, can't blame the players here , but brilliant Umpiring though.

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      The height and width of the net are literally the first rule of tennis. It is beyond embarrassing that Milos asked for the supervisor, who correctly finished the scenario before Murphy even had to bother completing the story.

  • @UrbFoxFact
    @UrbFoxFact Před 10 měsíci

    if the net supposedly 'ends' at the single sticks then what's to stop a player catching hold of the net in the doubles section and yanking it up to raise its level in order to stymie the opponent? why singles is played on a doubles court has never made sense to me. get rid of the tramlines, bring the net in line with the singles court and there is no confusion. amazing job by raonic.....great to see him back in action and competing at the highest level. umpire explained everything very well so that was good.

  • @rdmalonso1
    @rdmalonso1 Před 10 měsíci

    I’m going to put up singles sticks next time I play

  • @Deepurplerain
    @Deepurplerain Před 10 měsíci

    I always thaught this rule was so archaic, it should only count if the player touch it while and if the opponent hit the ball back cause he might lower the net or else.

  • @jonbonesmahomes7472
    @jonbonesmahomes7472 Před 10 měsíci

    Amazing job by Fergus Murphy..well done ,young man 🎉

  • @noeldacosta7621
    @noeldacosta7621 Před 10 měsíci

    1:20 which rulebook? Someone please show it to me. I've been searching for it for years.

  • @user-xn8bv9lr7m
    @user-xn8bv9lr7m Před 10 měsíci

    Wow what a random situation.

  • @maguslloretmunoz2354
    @maguslloretmunoz2354 Před 10 měsíci +5

    That point and discussion gave Milos an extra power to win the match

    • @blucat4
      @blucat4 Před 10 měsíci

      It got the crowd on his side, that's one thing.

  • @jkjkjk100
    @jkjkjk100 Před 10 měsíci +7

    milos is being too canadian. Can you imagine this kind of call with Kyrgios or Paire?
    I think as a master 1000 event, they should be able to move the post to a single position.

  • @MARA_Millionaire
    @MARA_Millionaire Před 10 měsíci +3

    They kept live betting open during this whole discussion, and since I heard the umpire was adamant it was Tiafoes set I bet on it. Made $17,000 😃

    • @mitsuhh
      @mitsuhh Před 10 měsíci

      Sure you did. You didn't make a cent

    • @MARA_Millionaire
      @MARA_Millionaire Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@mitsuhh I sure did and I’m glad I did! Just thought I’d share since it was a rush for me, makes no difference to me if you believe 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @honeybeebadger
    @honeybeebadger Před 10 měsíci

    Wow I never knew that

  • @maryanyone
    @maryanyone Před 10 měsíci

    That umpire is amazing! Thorough and cool! I am concerned that the male commentator on the Tennis Channel, who seemed to forgot that he was there to comment on the match, and not just be a fan for Raonic, kept going on and on (even after the umpire explained clearly!) that the rule should be challenged! Firstly, it is a rule so, future challenge or not, it applies to this situation. Secondly, it makes sense. If anyone watches tennis without the doubles lines drawn in (e.g. the Ultimate Tennis showdown), they will see that there will not have been any impediment for Tiafoe to touch. The female commentator even explained that the part Tiafoe touched was even more extended for advertising. It's like playing different sports with lines drawn on a surface. One may have a basketball court and tennis court drawn in... and will only focus on the line for the sport being played!

  • @gomezaddams4347
    @gomezaddams4347 Před 10 měsíci

    Well, that’s a rule I never knew, but I guess it does make sense.

  • @officiallywaz
    @officiallywaz Před 10 měsíci

    Usually it's all crappy umpire calls that get the limelight but this was absolutely spot on.

  • @minisurfbanana
    @minisurfbanana Před 10 měsíci +1

    Sorry to hear Milos doesnt know this rule!! I have known this rule since junior days 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ thats why they have Ads on it for singles n take it off for doubles!

  • @oamici
    @oamici Před 10 měsíci

    Umphire understood exactly.

  • @rooday5173
    @rooday5173 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I thank you for this obscure rule

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      It is literally the first rule of tennis.

  • @minisurfbanana
    @minisurfbanana Před 10 měsíci +1

    Cant believe these PRO guys didnt know this rule!!!! They told us this rule during junior tournys with singles sticks!!!!

    • @arturoleonardo4707
      @arturoleonardo4707 Před 10 měsíci

      Both players didnt know.Some of them are not aware of tennis rules.

  • @RobRossiFan
    @RobRossiFan Před 9 měsíci

    Murphy was working in late 90s, he is immortal!

  • @everybodywrestling
    @everybodywrestling Před 7 dny

    Raonic: “I want to see the manager of the net”

  • @andrewdurst8455
    @andrewdurst8455 Před 5 měsíci

    Raonic brought up a great point about what the point is of that section of the net, where it may impede a forehand for example whereas it wouldn’t otherwise be there in a singles match. Right call but tough draw to be fair

  • @DrDinks-po8jr
    @DrDinks-po8jr Před 10 měsíci

    Seemed like the situation all worked out though, but as someone who has played tennis for over twenty years, I'm not sure how that "part" of the net is not the "net" as we all know usually running into any portion of the net ends the point if the ball is still in play. Respect for both players and the umpire, the only unfortunate aspect for me is they have supervisors come out to review the situation who had not seen the play live. I think in these tough calls a video review can be implemented. Thanks for the video.

    • @SomeoneYouKnow2671
      @SomeoneYouKnow2671 Před 10 měsíci +2

      It's to allow the same style of play on different courts.
      In some tournaments there are only singles netposts, and so players can get to the ball and then run past the net safely. Murray did that quite often, I'm sure you can find him doing it in some compilation video. Tiafoe basically did the same, only the doubles netpost was in the way...

    • @AinSoph73
      @AinSoph73 Před 10 měsíci

      Your “over twenty years” of tennis have likely been played on a doubles net regardless of whether you were playing singles or doubles. Singles sticks are required to bring the net to its proper height on a doubles net. It is literally the first rule of tennis.

  • @MyLifeFrAiurGaming
    @MyLifeFrAiurGaming Před 10 měsíci

    kudos to the umpire for sticking to the nuance of the rules, didn't even know it!

  • @KingCast65
    @KingCast65 Před 10 měsíci

    Yah because had there been singles netting there wouldn't even have been an issue. Milos on a come back??? I've always wondered w'happen to him but injuries were part of it.

  • @yaqarm8822
    @yaqarm8822 Před 10 měsíci

    So if my opponent forces me out wide and she has a clear shot at an empty court I can grab the net outside the singles stick and pull it up as hard and as high as I can to increase the chance of her putting the ball into the net ?

  • @yumix77
    @yumix77 Před 10 měsíci

    What an amazing umpire!

  • @holl01
    @holl01 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Permanent fixtures FTW!

  • @RobRossiFan
    @RobRossiFan Před 9 měsíci

    Raonic should say to Murphy - that's gonna be on TennisTV bro

  • @reuvenwiener2093
    @reuvenwiener2093 Před 10 měsíci

    Sponsorship agreements. I wonder whether sponsorship agreements include a requirement that (in both the Canadian and U.S. Opens, for example) that doubles nets generally be used for singles matches -- so that the sponsor's advertising can be hung on the permanent fixture (doubles, outside the singles sticks) part of the net. (Apparently there is no rule against that, so anything not prohibited is permitted.) So even if singles nets and holes/sleeves for singles posts are available and personnel to swap them out to use singles nets for singles matches and doubles nets for doubles matches... tournaments may have chosen to use doubles nets (with singles sticks) for doubles matches.
    The signage may also be considered by some of us as a distraction, eyesore, and a barrier to seeing balls and the court (including lines). However, to make a rule against such signage might reduce the value of sponsorships and either reduce prize money... or increase ticket prices. Thoughts?
    (Perhaps more of us should become accustomed to playing singles with singles sticks, as apparently is more commonly done in other countries.)