You sir, are amazing! You have taught me SO MUCH about climbing and tree service work! So, as far as your review goes, (as usual) it's GOLD!! as far as the equipment that you reviewed tho.... Looks like an expensive, glorified, over engineered, cambium saver... Sometimes simplicity is just flat out the best for functionality. Great review tho. PLEASE, keep the content coming!! Climbing arborist, YOU ARE THE MAN!!
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O wow Dan that's a great idea I just hope they see your suggestion & take it on board & I buy it. Keep up the good work & thank you for all your tips and guidance stay safe and stay well 🤓👍👍
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The only perc I see is that none of the hardware passes through the union meaning its less likely to get stuck on retrieval and opens options up for setting up in tight unions
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Gonna stick with my simple Camp Herbol friction rings, but great job on the video. I can tell you put a lot of effort into it. Been climbing almost 30 years, but have learned a few tricks from you over the years.
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It must. be said, that because you take the effort and time to make these video's and show us methods and gear, we are in a very easy position to see and comment. A big thanks. That said:) As mentioned in comments there always be a consideration "is this something for me"? Are the benefits outweighing the steep price in this case. 5 times more expensive as a two ring sling, more than twice as any Teufelberger cambium toy which can be used in more ways. If a piece of gear has one function only, then even more , better, more easy, safer specifications must be convincing which in this case it sadly does not. Climbing companies have in latest years developing gear with webbing instead of a rope. A wild guess; this is a first for more to come with webbing use from Petzl.
I hope PETZL soon sees and hears Dan Holidays sermon and get back to the drawing board. This guy is impressive with finding the pro's and con's to new climbing gear. Nice suggestions for PETZL to take into consideration. A seasoned arborist knows😎😎😎
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Thanks for the thorough review. I'm not sure what the point of this product is, since you can't install remotely from the ground. Petzl is a few years behind on this product, since ART has been developing these for years. The Twinline has the SRS access and retrieval built in, and is remote or manual install. The eject device is really neat, but not very practical. Most rope climbers will install a high tie in from the ground, and start working the tree.
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@@ClimbingArborist All my notifications are off, but appreciate your consideration. Have you tried rope only redirects? It's a rare occasion that I use any, but slip my tail through a half hitch in a pinch.
Thanks Dan. I get it :) Maybe make a video showing how a traditional ring n ring setup for SRS compares to this Petzl Eject for SRS, pointing out that this redirect is not a one-time setup to work the tree and then descend and pull your rope out with the redirect and done. This is to help with setting redirects in the same tree multiple times whilst keeping the original tie in point. Thanks again for your knowledge.
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Excellent video - very informative. I was ready to make an order until you revealed the EJECT required an 11 to 13mm rope. Interesting, on a few (but not most) of Petzl's webpages they cite a 10 to 13mm rope, so perhaps that's more for a single person SRS usage - the EJECT is primarily intended for a double rope (MRS) application including two-person rescue usage. Bottom line, the EJECT is compatible with 10mm rope diameters.
On the unit it's printed that it's only compatible with 11-13mm rope, so according to Petzl it is NOT compatible with 10mm rope. Also, you can easily use it for both SRS or MRS (as demonstrated in this video and in the unit's documentation).
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I'm a new climber and I just purchased the Eject, mostly based off of how much you and other arborists liked it. What I'm wondering now is what benefit does it really get me over a traditional dual ring friction saver? It would seem like both are ground retrievable, both require that the rope be removed for advancement, the traditional friction saver is much more simple in regards to making sure it's installed correctly, and the traditional friction saver is much less prone to damage in regards to it crashing to the ground. Further, the friction saver doesn't rely on any moving parts like the Eject - and it's not like I'm against mechanical stuff, but I'm trying to figure out how to justify the over $200 price difference and increased complexity (and possible parts failures and incorrect usage) when I could just buy multiple friction savers for much less than the eject. I mean, the Eject has that little length adjuster which is neat, but again, does that warrant the major price difference? Ultimately I'm trying to figure out what added value the Eject has compared to a traditional friction saver to help me justify the added expense.
The difference in friction levels between a ring cambium and the Eject is way different l. You're saving so much effort and wear on your body by using an Eject. That's where the added value is for me. Longevity in the body.
@@Edd1ey thanks for the reply! I did end up returning it as, being a beginning climber, I didn't realize that the main benefit for the Eject (unless I'm missing something) is for MRS, and I'm focusing primarily on SRS. At that point, I can either do basal anchors or retrievable anchors without the need for a friction saver. In the event I did do some MRS, it wouldn't be for much, and that point I'd just end up using a friction saver for the weight (and cost) savings.
@@Edd1ey It does look like a really cool device! Did you see the review by Climbing Arborist? He did a really thorough review on it, and even had a neat idea for controlled retrieval without letting the thing drop uncontrolled to the ground: czcams.com/video/kb5042KoQPY/video.html
Yeah that’s a very expensive and sophisticated bit of kit to be dropping out of a tree. Messing around with the retrieval introduces an extra set of things to get tangled...
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Does anyody else climb with thier Zigzag on the left? This is the only thing stopping me from buying one as I presume it can only be installed 'right to left' over the union?
Another fantastic video from the climbing arborist. Always great quality. There is something I’d really be interested to see, is there any way to configure an SRT line to have a backup anchor point in the even of a snap out? For example a loose tether with shock prevention? I have been trying to get my head around this but can’t seem to work out the best way to do it, especially with a retrievable/lowerable system choked off at the TIP with an alpine butterfly and notch quickie. Would be grateful to hear your advice on this.
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As a climbing pruning Arborists since 1973 safety is a concern...first mistake is your last! That product is interesting but only good for (bad) retrieval and pully! We all know there are too many mechanisms to well bleep up there!.. I also design much of my own equipment as I am also an engineer. I can do a normal 2 ring friction saver and install a pully on a single line and then go single or double off the pully! This just needs a rated pully for climbing and can be installed and retrieved from the ground from basic concept.....petzl just invented a problematic system that I would never use due to It is your life line with an oops just waiting to happen.! Still waiting for them to replace my defective zigzag I bought this year! That is a separate issue but Petzl seems to have blinders on on safety from flaws in engineering and or manufacturing! I train Arborists and wish to keep them alive this product no matter how tested it is...is not pratical and has no gain for a climber! It can and hopefully will not kill you!
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Once again petzl have over complicated a simple friction saver. Even the tree art gear is over kill to a degree. Their zig zag had loads of issues from cracking. Metal cracks and doesn't show until it's almost broken. Bloody great kit for the keen recreational climber Or brave tree officer looking for bats. Teufelberger have its sussed with the pulley saver all soft parts, cheap to replace and easily monitored for signs of wear. I really feel simple is better and much safer to the novice climber.
@@verteup I dare say you have a thousand hours. But from what ive seen is slight carelessness when putting kit away. Eg throwing kit bag onto hard floor. Is what has damaged the zig zag and other forged aluminium tree kit, large firms here dont always have staff that give two shits about a climbers kit or climbers that are responsible, so for me the zig zag is not idiot proof, and this industry is renowned for having to employ alot of foolish workers. There for keep kit simple and effective.
@@actionadah I probably have over 1500 plus hours on a zigzag that is showing no wear at all. They're very very well made pieces of equipment and it saves me a ton of energy climbing in a moving rope system. I will definitely agree with the fact that theres a ton of foolish people in this industry. It seems to attract them.
@@verteup I cant deny zig zag being well made and its intentions along with self tending being very useful. But to have a friction device that responds poorly to side loading, isnt a good thing especially when you have a tight spot in the tree or when using as a back up on a chogg down. Also another major downfall is not being able to change the device mid line. All of this metal work is fantastic gear, but its lack of flexibility and one use application, is leading to more and more people inventing great stuff but with zero consideration to it's real world application. I for one dont want to use a product that's been tested by the Instagram squad with the most followers. You know the sorts that use it for an hour a month.
I don't really get it as to what is stopping you from installing your retrieval line, while you are up in the first place? Why climb down, to start throwing the bag up again? You could have a long string, with weights on both sides so it wont slip off, and once you are down, you take the line and just attach it to retrieval tool for the retrieval so you don't have to throw bags up again?
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Way too many moving parts, too many weak points that could fail, way too bulky, Barely any more pros than a normal pulley or friction saver and much more cons. Lastly that thing coming out of a tree without a throw line could kill someone Lmaooo. I’ll pass but good video.
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@3:41, where you advocate an SRT "base" of a double-figure-8 (to jam-into the unit's smaller opening), why not simply tie-off? Retrievability I presume? I look at that kinda setup and 1st thought is "With the weaker climbing-lines offered, I would not want a knot making-up the T.I.P. assembly", I mean that's gotta be a 1/3rd+ strength reduction in the line no? With my Mercury, that still meets regulation....but it wouldn't with my Blue Moon :/ Am so done with friction savers for SRT, I (luckily) didn't waste $$ paying near-$100 for each of mine (as I simply made them all, from "treesqueezers" to simple 20' adjustable which is my favorite/default, thing can be used like a 2nd line in many instances!), but have seen such little damage to my ropes (or to the trees) from SRT-anchoring that using the friction savers is (IMO) simply redundant :/ For DdRT though, I can see the use (disclosure-- I ONLY climb SRT, had been meaning to mess with DdRT to improve / hone my work-positioning and watching you in this vid gave me the kick to go do that lol :P ) Do you ever do "2 system SRT"? It lets you move around in insane ways when you have "left and right" control, which is nearly inherent to a properly positioned double-SRT setup (and, of course, is 100% absent in regular srt/drt) Great video man, obviously I'm not a big fan of the product but your video quality is still rising it's awesome you took the time to label sections even (have to wonder if you are just handling all this yourself, or if you've got a talented "IT/SEO guy" doing this all....even if that were the case, you're the filmer&narrator so the amount of collaboration would still be huge, don't know how you do that + run a tree company, simply doing just the latter is more-than enough to fill every waking hour of my life LOL!)
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Wonder if one of these would be/could be used in a 2nd line quick release scenario, instead of your ‘weak link’ ‘biner in a recent cottonwood vid? Get thinking Dan....
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So, what about using this on a spar where there isn't a branch to go over? I use an adjustable for a false crotch when I'm removing a spar and I can drop longer pieces. Can this do that?
Nice review. What about the bight of webbing that hangs on the edge of the device for the duration of the climb? 😅 Looks like it's another way for it to get stuck on retrieval at the end of a long day...😬
That grey but on the end of that spring looks like a decently exposed wear point, especially if your rope is dirty. Does it rotate or is it stainless or something similar to prevent wearing out? Also can it with with other retrieval balls?
I would imagine once you get your main line out and the mechanism drops anything passed through the size of the climbing line would pull it open for retrieval. Someone who owns one will have to test that.
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From an elder and former arborist..... First of all, great video and demonstration. All my credits. Though, to me, this items is getting a little too "gadget-freaky". In other words, like youngsters, who doesn´t know the way of north using a compass, but need a smartphone. Or, I might be too oldfashioned.
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@@ClimbingArborist Oh, I love gears and gadgets. Well, anyhow - one, even elder, arborist asked me, if I had to dress up with tyhose lots of gadgets, looking like a "Christamas tree"😄. Love the gear you´re demonstrating. Though, I´ve made a lot of work in very "tight" trees and for this purpose, the less gear one have to use and hanging around, just makes it so much more easier for the "pass through´s" (being slim). For more "spread-out" circumstances in "open" spaces - this, you demonstrate, really makes sence. About working in "tight" circumstances I did even avoid having an extra prusic in the gear for redirections. Just had a (some) piece of rope with an eye. I never get stocked with the loops "hanging in". Simple knots was easy and fast to make. They allways are. All the best from a knot/rope-neard. Keep on 👍
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I got it and noticed that the pulley was not as good as the art which I thought strange as petzl pullies are good, then I realised that the spring causes friction on the rope. Definatly not as good as art for ascent. Comes out the tree really good.
It would be better if you can clip your retrieval line with the rope already around the crotch of the tree. So you don’t have to try and pull that locker through the crotch with that tiny retrieval ball line. I can imagine that tiny line snapping over time from trying to force the locker through the crotch.
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Great video and review, some neat features on the eject. But I personally would not buy it. I can't believe they don't have a streamline retrieval system! "Let's just have them eject it straight to the ground, we're out of r&d money."
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@@ClimbingArborist yeah seen like it. Ended up buying a eject mainly due so l didn’t have too charge the set up on the twin line to a single set up for doing things like palms & barrels then change it back again.
It looks like it could do some real damage to the Cambium With all of those sharp edges of metal especially The part that gets singed into the trunk I’m sure It would be fine and trees with thick Bark It looks like it worked really well as a Friction Saver but not as a Cambium Saver But I hope I am wrong 🤞🤞🤞
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The truth is it looks very good but in reality I feel a little fear because I do not see it as safe and I think I will continue with my old friction system pulley saver 😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😁
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Don't forget to use one at each redirect too 😣. While I'm sure there's a place for it, I just don't see where I'd need it or where it would be beneficial. Have a great day.
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Yes they invented a new type but what is the advantage of this over rings especially since you can set rings from the ground? Not impressed. Well done review however.
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Ummm you should be showing this to Petzel. If they implement it you should get some kick back for that. They should've done that research before they started selling it. Without doing what you did that things useless after a couple hits.
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Great review, but petzl and other hardware companies need to stop overcomplicating simple tree equipment! Much like the mechanical prussic range, you're introducing points of failure. KISS - Keep it simple stupid
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Calm down on the long stretches of explaining.. around 1/2 way thru there was like 2 legitimate minutes of already said stuff. No offense AT ALL, I love it but I feel your audience is a lot more understanding or on the same page as you are kinda thing
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Wow that thing is ridiculous, I mean i love trying new climbing gadgets but this looks way too heavy, slow and over complicated. Thanks for making this video though, I hope people watch this first before they buy it.
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Cool toy yes......but it kinda seems like there are so many of these gadgets coming out. Its like a climber is turning from a Ford to a Landrover. Land Rovers are nice, but expensive as shit and gadgets are breaking on a regular basis. Even climbers in the 90’s would see this as unnecessary rocket science. But i’m old school.....just run the rope through the damn crotch. Lets not be the equivalent of diaper sniffing baby worshippers about the bark of the tree either.
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That second eye in the sling idea is simply brilliant. Well done!
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For future sales of this device. Such keen words.
You sir, are amazing! You have taught me SO MUCH about climbing and tree service work! So, as far as your review goes, (as usual) it's GOLD!! as far as the equipment that you reviewed tho.... Looks like an expensive, glorified, over engineered, cambium saver... Sometimes simplicity is just flat out the best for functionality. Great review tho. PLEASE, keep the content coming!! Climbing arborist, YOU ARE THE MAN!!
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Once you've used a pulley saver it's game over for the rings. They're on another planet of efficiency.
O wow Dan that's a great idea I just hope they see your suggestion & take it on board & I buy it. Keep up the good work & thank you for all your tips and guidance stay safe and stay well 🤓👍👍
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wonderfully explained all procedure.
Nice review...but I'm just struggling to see why you would choose this over a pulley saver or if you're going to splash out, a rope guide twin line 🤔
The only perc I see is that none of the hardware passes through the union meaning its less likely to get stuck on retrieval and opens options up for setting up in tight unions
Exactly...What a rigmarole !
He must be sponsored by petzel because I was thinking just the same, they've "invented" something that's already been invented.
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Excellent review. Very thorough and thought out.
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Gonna stick with my simple Camp Herbol friction rings, but great job on the video. I can tell you put a lot of effort into it. Been climbing almost 30 years, but have learned a few tricks from you over the years.
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Nice video and good review👌
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Excellent review.
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Good presentation and review of this product.
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It must. be said, that because you take the effort and time to make these video's and show us methods and gear, we are in a very easy position to see and comment. A big thanks. That said:) As mentioned in comments there always be a consideration "is this something for me"? Are the benefits outweighing the steep price in this case. 5 times more expensive as a two ring sling, more than twice as any Teufelberger cambium toy which can be used in more ways. If a piece of gear has one function only, then even more , better, more easy, safer specifications must be convincing which in this case it sadly does not. Climbing companies have in latest years developing gear with webbing instead of a rope. A wild guess; this is a first for more to come with webbing use from Petzl.
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I hope PETZL soon sees and hears Dan Holidays sermon and get back to the drawing board. This guy is impressive with finding the pro's and con's to new climbing gear. Nice suggestions for PETZL to take into consideration. A seasoned arborist knows😎😎😎
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Thank you for sharing !!!!!!!
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Great review! Well done man.
Glad you liked it!
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Thanks for the thorough review. I'm not sure what the point of this product is, since you can't install remotely from the ground. Petzl is a few years behind on this product, since ART has been developing these for years. The Twinline has the SRS access and retrieval built in, and is remote or manual install. The eject device is really neat, but not very practical. Most rope climbers will install a high tie in from the ground, and start working the tree.
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@@ClimbingArborist Thanks for the heads up. Sometimes your videos don't show up on my homepage even though I've been subscribed for years.
@@TimberTrainer Next to the subscribe button there should be a bell icon. If you click the bell, you should get an email whenever we post new content.
@@ClimbingArborist All my notifications are off, but appreciate your consideration. Have you tried rope only redirects? It's a rare occasion that I use any, but slip my tail through a half hitch in a pinch.
This is probably very handy for folks who actually live in a tree and need a quick way to climb down. Can’t think of any other use for it.
I don't know what people have against just getting themselves in the tree and start working. So much extra
Thanks Dan.
I get it :)
Maybe make a video showing how a traditional ring n ring setup for SRS compares to this Petzl Eject for SRS, pointing out that this redirect is not a one-time setup to work the tree and then descend and pull your rope out with the redirect and done.
This is to help with setting redirects in the same tree multiple times whilst keeping the original tie in point.
Thanks again for your knowledge.
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Very good review- thanks!
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Awesome review sir!
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Excellent video - very informative. I was ready to make an order until you revealed the EJECT required an 11 to 13mm rope. Interesting, on a few (but not most) of Petzl's webpages they cite a 10 to 13mm rope, so perhaps that's more for a single person SRS usage - the EJECT is primarily intended for a double rope (MRS) application including two-person rescue usage. Bottom line, the EJECT is compatible with 10mm rope diameters.
On the unit it's printed that it's only compatible with 11-13mm rope, so according to Petzl it is NOT compatible with 10mm rope. Also, you can easily use it for both SRS or MRS (as demonstrated in this video and in the unit's documentation).
well, no installation from bellow. Huge downside in my opinion
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Looks decent, wouldn’t wanna see it smash off the concrete from height
Definitely not 😮
Nice Presentation!
For me personal this friction saver is to complex.
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Great review !
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Excellent Review...👏👏👏
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Yes..!!..yes..!!!.. Very nice..
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u could also use the ART double snapper to ease retreave
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Great job with he video! the product however.... why have a friction saver you have to install manually at the top of the tree?
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I'm a new climber and I just purchased the Eject, mostly based off of how much you and other arborists liked it. What I'm wondering now is what benefit does it really get me over a traditional dual ring friction saver? It would seem like both are ground retrievable, both require that the rope be removed for advancement, the traditional friction saver is much more simple in regards to making sure it's installed correctly, and the traditional friction saver is much less prone to damage in regards to it crashing to the ground. Further, the friction saver doesn't rely on any moving parts like the Eject - and it's not like I'm against mechanical stuff, but I'm trying to figure out how to justify the over $200 price difference and increased complexity (and possible parts failures and incorrect usage) when I could just buy multiple friction savers for much less than the eject. I mean, the Eject has that little length adjuster which is neat, but again, does that warrant the major price difference?
Ultimately I'm trying to figure out what added value the Eject has compared to a traditional friction saver to help me justify the added expense.
The difference in friction levels between a ring cambium and the Eject is way different l. You're saving so much effort and wear on your body by using an Eject. That's where the added value is for me. Longevity in the body.
@@Edd1ey thanks for the reply! I did end up returning it as, being a beginning climber, I didn't realize that the main benefit for the Eject (unless I'm missing something) is for MRS, and I'm focusing primarily on SRS. At that point, I can either do basal anchors or retrievable anchors without the need for a friction saver. In the event I did do some MRS, it wouldn't be for much, and that point I'd just end up using a friction saver for the weight (and cost) savings.
@@mikesoultanian8050 fair. I climb on mrs so that movement on a pulley is great 👍👍
@@Edd1ey It does look like a really cool device! Did you see the review by Climbing Arborist? He did a really thorough review on it, and even had a neat idea for controlled retrieval without letting the thing drop uncontrolled to the ground:
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Yeah that’s a very expensive and sophisticated bit of kit to be dropping out of a tree. Messing around with the retrieval introduces an extra set of things to get tangled...
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Could the right size twig stuck on my climbing line cause it to open? Awesome videos btw.
No, because it can open with the rope going through it. It can only open once the rope is out, then the lever can be pushed to the right
Does anyody else climb with thier Zigzag on the left? This is the only thing stopping me from buying one as I presume it can only be installed 'right to left' over the union?
@ClimbingArborist Did you aver get a reply from Petzl about attaching an access line to the strap of the EJECT?
Another fantastic video from the climbing arborist. Always great quality. There is something I’d really be interested to see, is there any way to configure an SRT line to have a backup anchor point in the even of a snap out? For example a loose tether with shock prevention? I have been trying to get my head around this but can’t seem to work out the best way to do it, especially with a retrievable/lowerable system choked off at the TIP with an alpine butterfly and notch quickie. Would be grateful to hear your advice on this.
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As a climbing pruning Arborists since 1973 safety is a concern...first mistake is your last! That product is interesting but only good for (bad) retrieval and pully! We all know there are too many mechanisms to well bleep up there!.. I also design much of my own equipment as I am also an engineer. I can do a normal 2 ring friction saver and install a pully on a single line and then go single or double off the pully! This just needs a rated pully for climbing and can be installed and retrieved from the ground from basic concept.....petzl just invented a problematic system that I would never use due to It is your life line with an oops just waiting to happen.! Still waiting for them to replace my defective zigzag I bought this year! That is a separate issue but Petzl seems to have blinders on on safety from flaws in engineering and or manufacturing! I train Arborists and wish to keep them alive this product no matter how tested it is...is not pratical and has no gain for a climber! It can and hopefully will not kill you!
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nice vids!!! thanks
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So what happens when that hook on the main body fails?I guess it will make getting out of the tree much quicker haha
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Awesome review....but a tough sell.
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Once again petzl have over complicated a simple friction saver. Even the tree art gear is over kill to a degree. Their zig zag had loads of issues from cracking. Metal cracks and doesn't show until it's almost broken. Bloody great kit for the keen recreational climber Or brave tree officer looking for bats.
Teufelberger have its sussed with the pulley saver all soft parts, cheap to replace and easily monitored for signs of wear.
I really feel simple is better and much safer to the novice climber.
I have well over 1000 climbing hours on a zigzag plus and never had an issue at all. I work trimming utilities.
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I dare say you have a thousand hours.
But from what ive seen is slight carelessness when putting kit away.
Eg throwing kit bag onto hard floor.
Is what has damaged the zig zag and other forged aluminium tree kit, large firms here dont always have staff that give two shits about a climbers kit or climbers that are responsible, so for me the zig zag is not idiot proof, and this industry is renowned for having to employ alot of foolish workers. There for keep kit simple and effective.
@@actionadah I probably have over 1500 plus hours on a zigzag that is showing no wear at all. They're very very well made pieces of equipment and it saves me a ton of energy climbing in a moving rope system. I will definitely agree with the fact that theres a ton of foolish people in this industry. It seems to attract them.
Seems like an over complicated cambian saver to me.
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I cant deny zig zag being well made and its intentions along with self tending being very useful.
But to have a friction device that responds poorly to side loading, isnt a good thing especially when you have a tight spot in the tree or when using as a back up on a chogg down.
Also another major downfall is not being able to change the device mid line.
All of this metal work is fantastic gear, but its lack of flexibility and one use application, is leading to more and more people inventing great stuff but with zero consideration to it's real world application.
I for one dont want to use a product that's been tested by the Instagram squad with the most followers. You know the sorts that use it for an hour a month.
I don't really get it as to what is stopping you from installing your retrieval line, while you are up in the first place? Why climb down, to start throwing the bag up again? You could have a long string, with weights on both sides so it wont slip off, and once you are down, you take the line and just attach it to retrieval tool for the retrieval so you don't have to throw bags up again?
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Way too many moving parts, too many weak points that could fail, way too bulky, Barely any more pros than a normal pulley or friction saver and much more cons. Lastly that thing coming out of a tree without a throw line could kill someone Lmaooo. I’ll pass but good video.
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@3:41, where you advocate an SRT "base" of a double-figure-8 (to jam-into the unit's smaller opening), why not simply tie-off? Retrievability I presume? I look at that kinda setup and 1st thought is "With the weaker climbing-lines offered, I would not want a knot making-up the T.I.P. assembly", I mean that's gotta be a 1/3rd+ strength reduction in the line no? With my Mercury, that still meets regulation....but it wouldn't with my Blue Moon :/
Am so done with friction savers for SRT, I (luckily) didn't waste $$ paying near-$100 for each of mine (as I simply made them all, from "treesqueezers" to simple 20' adjustable which is my favorite/default, thing can be used like a 2nd line in many instances!), but have seen such little damage to my ropes (or to the trees) from SRT-anchoring that using the friction savers is (IMO) simply redundant :/ For DdRT though, I can see the use (disclosure-- I ONLY climb SRT, had been meaning to mess with DdRT to improve / hone my work-positioning and watching you in this vid gave me the kick to go do that lol :P ) Do you ever do "2 system SRT"? It lets you move around in insane ways when you have "left and right" control, which is nearly inherent to a properly positioned double-SRT setup (and, of course, is 100% absent in regular srt/drt)
Great video man, obviously I'm not a big fan of the product but your video quality is still rising it's awesome you took the time to label sections even (have to wonder if you are just handling all this yourself, or if you've got a talented "IT/SEO guy" doing this all....even if that were the case, you're the filmer&narrator so the amount of collaboration would still be huge, don't know how you do that + run a tree company, simply doing just the latter is more-than enough to fill every waking hour of my life LOL!)
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I was hoping Petzl would have made it more like a Buckingham Buckblock to be able to set it from the ground.
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Wonder if one of these would be/could be used in a 2nd line quick release scenario, instead of your ‘weak link’ ‘biner in a recent cottonwood vid? Get thinking Dan....
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So, what about using this on a spar where there isn't a branch to go over? I use an adjustable for a false crotch when I'm removing a spar and I can drop longer pieces. Can this do that?
Yes, this chokes onto a stem so you can do exactly that
Nice review.
What about the bight of webbing that hangs on the edge of the device for the duration of the climb? 😅
Looks like it's another way for it to get stuck on retrieval at the end of a long day...😬
As soon as it releases from the mechanism there is no loop to get stuck.
My bad... 😅
I stand corrected. 👏
I had to watch it at 0.25 speed. 😂
Keep It Simple Smart. KISS. My rings are happy rings.
That grey but on the end of that spring looks like a decently exposed wear point, especially if your rope is dirty.
Does it rotate or is it stainless or something similar to prevent wearing out?
Also can it with with other retrieval balls?
I would imagine once you get your main line out and the mechanism drops anything passed through the size of the climbing line would pull it open for retrieval. Someone who owns one will have to test that.
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if you just attach a throwline to the hole in the retrival ball you can stop the rope whipping through so fast, is that the point of the hole?
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What was Petzl thinking with this one.
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So do you enjoy it more because of the pulley
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Once again Petzl have excelled in their averageness...kind of a hobby climber gadget. Or someone who doesn´t really do any heavy work. My take.
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From an elder and former arborist..... First of all, great video and demonstration. All my credits. Though, to me, this items is getting a little too "gadget-freaky". In other words, like youngsters, who doesn´t know the way of north using a compass, but need a smartphone. Or, I might be too oldfashioned.
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@@ClimbingArborist Oh, I love gears and gadgets. Well, anyhow - one, even elder, arborist asked me, if I had to dress up with tyhose lots of gadgets, looking like a "Christamas tree"😄.
Love the gear you´re demonstrating. Though, I´ve made a lot of work in very "tight" trees and for this purpose, the less gear one have to use and hanging around, just makes it so much more easier for the "pass through´s" (being slim).
For more "spread-out" circumstances in "open" spaces - this, you demonstrate, really makes sence.
About working in "tight" circumstances I did even avoid having an extra prusic in the gear for redirections. Just had a (some) piece of rope with an eye. I never get stocked with the loops "hanging in". Simple knots was easy and fast to make.
They allways are.
All the best from a knot/rope-neard.
Keep on 👍
And what's it got over the rope guide 2 exactly ???
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Thanks for the review dan bulky use with caution 💀💀💀👍
I wonder how it ages? My ART has aged well and will be changed soon as it is 4.5 years old
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I got it and noticed that the pulley was not as good as the art which I thought strange as petzl pullies are good, then I realised that the spring causes friction on the rope. Definatly not as good as art for ascent. Comes out the tree really good.
It would be better if you can clip your retrieval line with the rope already around the crotch of the tree. So you don’t have to try and pull that locker through the crotch with that tiny retrieval ball line. I can imagine that tiny line snapping over time from trying to force the locker through the crotch.
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Can a stitch splice go thru?
The drenaline Slaice goes through and spliced eyes, probably not fat stitched eyes
I don't know if I like the double Figure 8 jamming knot with Carabiner, I think they could have come up with something better...
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Great video and review, some neat features on the eject. But I personally would not buy it. I can't believe they don't have a streamline retrieval system!
"Let's just have them eject it straight to the ground, we're out of r&d money."
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What about the alpinbutterfley for SRT?
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Is the only benefit the removal? A pully sounds just as effective
Should be called the Petzl Reject instead.
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What "snaps and clicks", can un - snap and un - click...
Yes had to place extra velcro around leg slide and turn buckle on Harness, so it does not undo on it's own.
I think I’ll stick to the art twine line.
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@@ClimbingArborist yeah seen like it. Ended up buying a eject mainly due so l didn’t have too charge the set up on the twin line to a single set up for doing things like palms & barrels then change it back again.
It looks like it could do some real damage to the Cambium With all of those sharp edges of metal especially The part that gets singed into the trunk
I’m sure It would be fine and trees with thick Bark
It looks like it worked really well as a Friction Saver but not as a Cambium Saver
But I hope I am wrong 🤞🤞🤞
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Great review Dan. But, I see it as a lot of fuss and hassle of a product to be honest.
Good review, but I don't see the need to buy an expensive, over-mechanical friction saver that costs more than my rope...
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Sério isso??? Inventaram isso??? Como se escreve em inglês: "Caramba!"?
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Bit of farting about to set that up.
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The truth is it looks very good but in reality I feel a little fear because I do not see it as safe and I think I will continue with my old friction system pulley saver 😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😁
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why would you ever use this as a srt anchor 🤣
Don't forget to use one at each redirect too 😣.
While I'm sure there's a place for it, I just don't see where I'd need it or where it would be beneficial.
Have a great day.
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Yes they invented a new type but what is the advantage of this over rings especially since you can set rings from the ground? Not impressed. Well done review however.
hmmm what is the advantage of a pully over rings hmmmmm, hmmmmmm perhaps a pully has less friction than rings possibly maybe perhaps
@@sionwright3570 Your not so funny sarcasm aside, friction has very little to do with ascending on ddrt. It's your body weight that you must overcome.
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Ummm you should be showing this to Petzel. If they implement it you should get some kick back for that. They should've done that research before they started selling it. Without doing what you did that things useless after a couple hits.
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Access line always good. Cos otherwise its not that great.
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Great review, but petzl and other hardware companies need to stop overcomplicating simple tree equipment! Much like the mechanical prussic range, you're introducing points of failure. KISS - Keep it simple stupid
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Great review of a senseless product. You can't even install it from the ground. Why would anyone want one?
That was my question in the head from the start...i see this big roll/block system..and think. ok, show me how its installed from the ground ?!?!?
@@kurtwagner5661 Don't get me started on the choice of the name! EJECT!? That gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. 🤪
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KISS. And this is far from simple. I don't need any more gadgets.
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A lot of the time especially on removals you’re topping the tree where you tie in.. no need to retrieve with the ball..
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Makes no sense to me to thro up to take out. Kinda deafeats the purpose. Sure be good for some. To tech for me.
Calm down on the long stretches of explaining.. around 1/2 way thru there was like 2 legitimate minutes of already said stuff. No offense AT ALL, I love it but I feel your audience is a lot more understanding or on the same page as you are kinda thing
Nope. I do not like how the top opens.
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looks extremely inefficient and huge.
nice review but can't set up from below ...so I pass
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Sooooooo unnecessary 😴😴😴
Good review though 👍
Paid advertisment is my guess.
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That is absolutely ridiculous and completely over designed
I dont believe id ever be comfortable working on that
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More lines, more errors..
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Wow that thing is ridiculous, I mean i love trying new climbing gadgets but this looks way too heavy, slow and over complicated. Thanks for making this video though, I hope people watch this first before they buy it.
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Making gear for the sake of making gear from Petzl. Too much faff in the real world.
to be honest. i dont like em. looks like a waste of time.
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This device makes no sense other than for making youtube videos
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seems sketchy
What makes you think that way?
I just don’t think I could trust it.
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No thanks
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Cool toy yes......but it kinda seems like there are so many of these gadgets coming out. Its like a climber is turning from a Ford to a Landrover. Land Rovers are nice, but expensive as shit and gadgets are breaking on a regular basis. Even climbers in the 90’s would see this as unnecessary rocket science. But i’m old school.....just run the rope through the damn crotch. Lets not be the equivalent of diaper sniffing baby worshippers about the bark of the tree either.
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@@ClimbingArborist Absolutely will….. your channel is the gold standard, and i’ve learned a ton watching. Kudos
@@treecowboys5236 Those are extremely kind words, you don't know how much that means, thank you!