What's Better on a Long-Distance Road Trip: An ELECTRIC or a GAS Truck? Let's Find Out!
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Id rather win the gas powered Toyota that will be on the road for 20+ years.
@The Fast Lane Truck you should correct your misleading information on the cost comparison between the 2 you gave the wrong cost per kw compared to what was on the charger, 34 cents compared to 43 cents on the charger. Also the fact the Toyota was filled back to full and the hummer was only filled back to 80% That's still 17% less then you actually used to get there seems it started at 97% So saying it cost 42 in the hummer compared to 40 in the Toyota to do the trip is very misleading. When in reality the hummer probably cost closer to 52 or MORE. Then for you to say there's basically no difference in cost on the trip is completely false. and the more highway miles that is driven the further that gap is going to spread because highway is where you get your best mileage in a gas vehicle an on the highway and a EV is getting less regen there for reducing range making that cost gap that much bigger again
Whoever is replying on your team has been smoking rock
racking up distance? i could rack up many miles for 20hrs in gas/diesel than ev. why? a full tank of gas or diesel takes a few minutes while an ev cost hours. you may save dollars but you cant buy time.
You need to let your new commenter go; they've filled the comments with hateful replies
Realize the $42 Roman spent only brought the vehicle to 80%. The vehicle started with 97%, so for the comparison to be fair, Roman should have charged to 97%.
Nope, you never fast charge EV to 100 percent. That’s like saying we should have fueled up the Toyota with diesel.
@@TFLtruckWhat are to talking about? He’s saying the Toyota started out full and you filled it up all the way. The Hummer started out at 97% but you only charged it to 80% so the price comparison does not make sense
@@TFLtruck ????
@@TFLtruck huh??? I really like you guys but why are you simping and lying about EVs??????
@@TFLtruck I can't understand your logic. You "fill" the vehicle with the fuel it uses = electricity for EV, gas for the Toyota. If you "fill" the Toyota, then you need to "fill = fully charge" the EV to make it a fair comparison. How long it takes to "fill" the Toyota and how long it takes to "fill" the EV. Now if you only wanted to energize = add the fuel they use, to 80%, then you should only add 80% of the fuel to the Toyota when you only charge the EV to 80%. This way when you calculate the variables like cost for fuel (gas or electricity) and time to refuel your comparing like conditions on each vehicle.
You guys messed up!
"20 minutes out of the way" to charge up. That should count the round trip time in the hummer charge time, making it 90 minutes. Plus, the sequoia was penalized having to tag along and burn extra fuel resulting in exta costs.
Plus if charging to 97% to determine actual use, it's closer to $ 51
You also "had to" find a hotel with L2 charging. How much more was that hotel vs one that didn't have "free" charging?
They also messed up their calculation. They were charged 43 cents per KWH at 11:52 and only calculated for 34 with no proof they actually paid that low was literally just a guess.
Damn straight bro. EVs are still the cars of tomorrow, they're not the cars of today just yet.
@@Duane14 Daily driving an EV is incredible, I save a few hundred each month on gas and hours not waiting in line refueling etc. Also the car is quiet and fast. It's the fringe case where EVs aren't the best yet but progress will keep going.
@@TheAndrwwJohnson well in this case the EV cost more per mile even with all the numbers being changed to favour the EV plus the extra cost of buying the EV, the 5000 or so bucks for a home charger to be installed unless your charging on 110 witch will take 2 to 4 days to charge , then when charging at the "fast charger" its a hour plus wait and that's if no one is already there if there isn't a charger available could be hour's because you have to wait on the other person to charge I don't see anyway of saving money or time considering that every step of the process from buying to driving cost more and filling up any of the ways takes 10x longer minimum so Where's all the savings on time an money to
Exactly
What tfl really should have done is see who would of gotten to Moab first. Obviously the Sequoia but it would of been interesting to see Roman take the exit to go charge up and see Andre's Sequoia continue down the freeway. Video asked which vehicle is better to road trip in right? Not another mpg VS kw/hr.
Yes. I 100% agree! They need to really demonstrate the amount of time it takes to charge it. While the person driving the gasser is able to go and enjoy life
Sure, but if you are buying an EV, you are going into the deal knowing that charging takes longer than filling up with gas or diesel. There is no need to beat a dead horse that confirms your bias against EV’s when it is already common knowledge.
The word "free" as used with the electric charging offered at the hotel is inaccurate. It is no more free than your hotel breakfast, it is paid for by the hotel and passed to customers staying there. Nothing is "free".
Truth
Lol so if you don't eat the included breakfast do you get a discount? No? Then it's free and a consideration for picking a place to stay for value.
@@TheAndrwwJohnson the price on the room is set with them cost factored in just because they aren't a extra charge don't make it free. They were included in the room price. For example room comes with a charging hook up an breakfast that's part of the reason the price is what it is. Basically a combo like at McDonald's you order a happy meal the meal it got ya nuggets an drink an what ever else comes with it to eat but also comes with a toy now just because you don't keep the toy its not free you still payed for it. Same as the room just because you don't eat breakfast or charge that don't mean you didn't pay for it. Ain't nothing free they just wrap the cost up in the main buy then say they aren't going to charge you for the other thing. it's just a trick to make you feel as if you got something for free
@@mhdsfsyukhtjyrghetuk Not true as more expensive hotels won't include breakfast. Thinking the rate would be any cheaper without charging is pretty short sighted.
@@TheAndrwwJohnson they are getting the money from somewhere. They are not taking a loss by giving away free food an charging you may be told its free but if the cost of the room don't cover paying for the charge, the food, an the wages for staff then they would go out of business the price is set to make profit you don't make a profit by giving stuff away for free if the cost of the room can't cover just those 3 things with profit left over with wiggle room for maintenance cost factored in then they wouldn't be offering the extras with the room. But I wouldn't expect the rate to be less for the room just because I didn't charge a EV just like I wouldn't expect to get a discount for not eating the breakfast offered with the room because I knew that was what I payed for when agreeing to the price and paying for the room when I checked in.
I'm glad Andre was in this video. Roman is a little too swept up in the EV hype and tends to overlook negatives of EV's that Andre points out. For now, plug in hybrids are the way to go if you want to be "eco-friendly" while still retaining usefulness IMO.
Plug-in hybrids are the honest way that EVs are going to make it mainstream in the foreseeable near future. Toyota is showing us that. Who wouldn't want *both* the ability to use full electricity or gas depending upon how they need to use the vehicle. You literally have two power trains in your vehicle.
I don’t give a shit about ‘eco-friendly” when I buy a vehicle. I want the most efficient and cost-beneficial way to get from point A to point B. Sure hybrids may offer a little more fuel efficiency, but they add a ton of mechanical complexity that will only inevitably cause longevity issues unless you only keep a car under warranty. I tend to keep cars for y-8 years and drive them well over 200k miles.
300 miles of range is pretty good.
It's a lot cheaper on the Chevy Bolt because much smaller battery. The hummer is a large vehicle so it needs a large battery and that's a lot of energy to fill it.
By the time its practical to have an EV vehicle for long road trips(infrastructure, etc), they will have raised the electric fill up charge to the equivalent of a gas charge. You watch.
100% they'll claim supply and demand.
And you will be paying a lot more to register an EV because they won't be collecting any gas tax. They will probably look to add taxes to EV fast chargers.
Don’t matter to me, I fill up at home and have solar. EV truck is a hell of a commuter.
Yup 100%
The taxes built into fuel cover a lot of highway infrastructure. The same will need to apply to electrical to keep the infrastructure maintained
TFL is getting TORCHED in these comments! 😂 I challenge TFL to respond to these comments and admit they are wrong.
Ah, I appreciate their positive yet honest attitude here: if they were downers, this channel would be for ice-only fans; if they weren't honest, it would have no viewers
Yeah this is going to give us the same end result as the Alaska trip: EV is nice but requires a radical change of driving and planning while the gasser goes where you need it and depending on gas prices might cost more money in the end but also take less time.
Plus the cold; in those -70° hollows a failure in planning would be absolutely deadly
Time is money
I can't even fathom , ...in this world of instant gratification, ..sitting in a line waiting an hour for the car in front of me to finish charging, just so I can wait an hour for mine. Not to mention island parking, when that person went into Sams club to shop while their car is charging, and doesn't come back for 2 hours.
I love how all the electric vehicle people talk about how efficient they are but never talk about electricity generation losses or transmission lossed.
Sure we can do that.
So your engine is only about 33% efficient.
Versus electric:
-Energy lost in transmission and distribution: About 6% - 2% in transmission and 4% in distribution
-From the battery to the wheels, maybe 10%.
(battery and motor combo is about 90% efficient)
So EV loses half the energy to heat that gasoline does.
The Hummer has the energy equivilent of five gallons of gas, or 200 kWh.
With that energy, it goes 300 miles.
How far does your car goes on five gallons? Probably not 300 miles right? Probably more like 150.
This difference would be even greater for a small EV like the Chevy Bolt that only has a 65 kWh battery and still goes 260 miles.
65 kWh battery = 1.9 gallons
Again you're going like 60 miles on that, Chevy Bolt goes 260 miles.
@@neutrino78x not sure where you got your numbers from but you forgot the generational loss. That turbine spinning a generator most likely got powered by some burning to greater steam.
EV road trips wouldn't be so bad if we always traveled with an ICE chase truck like TFLtruck does. That would make the range and time anxiety much more tolerable lol.
Actually, batteries aren't more efficient at making power, because they don't make any power, they simple store it. This is what EV promoters don't understand.
Most efficiency losses happen when power is generated. Since EVs don't create power on-board, this makes for a false comparison to ICE vehicles, because not only do they store their fuel in a tank, they also make the power with an on-board internal combustion powerplant.
For the total EV power supply chain, creating electricity and putting into your battery is where the bulk of EV efficiency loses are seen. For every remaining gallon equivalent your EV is left with, 4 or 5 more equivalent gallons were wasted in the grid. That not only puts things into a fair perspective, it completely defeats the argument that EVs are more efficient.
Oil definitely requires sourcing, moving, shipping, refining, shipping again, storage, transfer, and burning, all for a very small efficiency rating.
@@Matt-Ionman And the stuff used to power the grid also requires sourcing, moving, shipping, refining, shipping again, storage, transfer, and burning, all for a very small efficiency rating.
@@AkioWasRight exactly. So what's the difference? Not enough to complain about. Only difference is direct, ground level auto emissions, which EVs don't produce.
@@Matt-Ionman There's plenty to complain about, because EVs aren't as practical, yet they are being forced on the market with the lie of being "green", which they aren't.
Also, most ground level emissions do not come from tailpipes anymore. In fact, tires are the biggest contributor, producing over 1,000% more particulars than tailpipes. You know that fine, dusty haze you see in the sky? More of that came from tires, less from engine exhaust.
Also, EVs are heavier, which will INCREASE tire wear, INCREASING the PM in the air we breathe.
@@AkioWasRight you can't try to argue that gas vehicles are cleaner somehow, especially if you're not going to use the correct argument for tire wear for EVs, which isn't weight. Tailpipes+tires+brake dust is always going to be worse.
4:26 in true fashion of a hummer “taking up two parking spots up”. 😂
You would think with all the tech included with that thing you’d be able to get it into one parking spot. I guess it still comes with douche mode.
Some things never change =]
Yesterday my neighbor bought a F150 Lightning Long Range and we are on day two of the 900 mile drive home from Arizona to Kansas. The stoppage time for charging is hard to adjust to and so far every stop has been at a Walmart. We did not realize that fast chargers slow down at 80% and will only charge to a maximum 90%. It has been pretty cold too, so we are only realistically capable of 160 miles on a 90% charge vs the advertised 288 (90% of 320).
The charge speed has been totally arbitrary and there have been several Electrify America machines have been inoperative. One charge said it was complimentary though which was a welcome surprise !
Side note. The Lightning is a crazy nice truck. Fast as a stabbed rat and the Blue Cruise is excellent!
Sounds like it sucks!☹️
@@jeffmiller3150 On the contrary! Day two was much better. Warmer and regular roads with lower speed limits instead of 80mph interstate bumped the range up by 50%. Our last leg was a comfortable 270 miles which is was closer to advertised. It’s absolutely the future, it’s just gonna take some development.
You started at 97 and only charged to 80, that's like starting with a full tank and only filling to 3/4. Price difference is alot greater than what you showed.
Literally just posted the comment before reading yours😂
On a real trip he wouldn’t have charged to 80%, he would have charged enough to get to the hotel with some buffer
@@danielc3510 his point was about comparison of cost of energy used between ev and gas. Not charging to the same battery percentage as when he left gives an inaccurate comparison.
@@Black70Fastback what part of directly comparing charge time / cost to fuel time / cost did i misunderstand? Hummer cost to go the distance was 51-ish dollars vs 40 in the toy. Plus any "loitering" add on for spending the extra time 80-97% that some charge.
@@johnb7430 you misunderstood nothing. The hummerEV costs significantly more to operate than a ICE vehicle. But the people who buy these don't care about cost. Just like the original hummers these are "look at me" virtue signaling vehicles.
So, even with gas prices, still being high, Toyota was actually cheaper or the same during the road trip because they didn’t complete the charge the electric vehicle to capacity.
Who at tfl is commenting under their account? Change the password on that person
Seconded
You really don't have to prove anything to me----I DON'T WANT AN ELECTRIC. If you tow you will walk. I TOW.
We tow a lot and we’ve never walked. We did sit for a long time charging but never walked🤦♂️
@@TFLtruck the Alaska trip says otherwise!
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk yeah, I was just thinking about that!
With virtually every video on CZcams involving an electric vehicle the 'Plan' word is nearly always mentioned. There are a whole bunch of us out there who are potential EV purchasers who simply don't want to sit and plan our journeys around long stops for charging, I don't do that with gasoline. It sounds like we are a good few years from being able to make an unplanned journey of more than a couple of hours in a budget or mainstream EV.
Lol exactly. Try planning with kids. I always hear about EV trips and it's adults only. Kids make everything harder.
@@Greg-cu1zc you are so right, you wouldn't really want kids running around the charging bay for an hour while you add another 200 miles to your car or truck. Difficulty is, trying to keep them in the car and entertained for that long.
I get your point, but maybe because I do plan my gas stops when road tripping the idea of planning charge locations doesn’t really bother me. Though do agree for a ways to go on charger availability outside major cities and less traveled routes.
The thing is, the charging infrastructure, or lack thereof, shouldn’t be a surprise. Just like the early days of cell phones when there were only a handful of cell towers, and a handful of cell phones none of which offered good battery life and cost a fortune, it’s going to take a few years for car manufacturers to make sufficient volumes of EV’s, and for consumers to buy them, to make it worthwhile for businesses to add charging stations. Frankly, the same thing was true going back to the early 20th century with gas stations and ICE powered vehicles. You can’t go from zero to a fully developed EV backbone. And just like how cell phones developed over the past 25 years, we’ll see huge improvements in battery life / range in EV’s over the next 25 years.
yep!
Can we at least acknowledge that the Hummer wasn't "fully charged", it was only at 80%. and time is money, so in the end, there can never be an apples to apples comparison.
ok, I'll play. That 80% of 200 kWh = 160.
160 kW = 4 gallons of gas.
So, Hummer went 240 miles on 4 gallons of gas.
How far does your car go on 4 gallons?
I'm sure glad they didn't run through a downpour. Those Hummers have an amazing waterfall feature that's built in 😂.
did you watch hoovies video of his test drive too?
Saw that! Hoovie is my favorite CZcamsr. TFL is up there, too.
Did Hoovie find out about that or does he still not know ?
So many Hummer haters around these parts 😂
You pay more to fill up the car, but you pay 50-75% the cost of the EV to start, so after 20 years of driving you'd finally hit the same point. But at that time, you'd need new batteries in the EV and the countless hours required to travel more than 400 miles in a trip!
Do not neglect the resale value! Very important to the total price of an EV is the fact that no-one in their right mind would buy one second-hand!
Great video, informative in real life. Biggest take away for me is how disappointing small is the fuel tank on the Sequoia . 22 gal is way to small for suck large suv, especially if one tows.
Unfortunately there is a MASSIVE issue with this comparison: If you start at 97% charge and you drive a given distance, and then you charge it to 80%, that's not how much energy it took you to drive!!! You're missing the 17% charge (in this case you're missing 39 kW/hr of charge). You paid $42 for 59% so simple math means you'd pay $54 for the actual energy consumed during this test.
Now this only accounts for the cost and not the time. I'm pretty sure that the last 17% would likely have taken an additional hour to charge.
I like the comparison but like everything, it has to be honest and the process must be accurate.
A road trip… It’s the biggest Achilles of any EV 💀
Plus Cold Weather, hot weather, towing, affordability, hills, reliability, driving over 300 miles, repairability, and finding someone to fix in a short amount of time. Other than that it's awesome 😬
😄🤣
@@fugginrambo Hey, let's make it mandatory then.
@@fugginrambo I didn’t want to swat the hornets nest too early this morning with the rest of the downsides 😂
Like driving 65mph on freeways to reach the manufactures promised "Range" while everyone else is cruising along at 80?
I understand and think it’s interesting the comparison on kWh used between the 2 cars. But most people don’t look at it that way. For most people it comes down to total cost, total time and distance. That comparison is simply a justification for EV owners to feel better about themselves. I’m interested in how future EV’s will improve efficiency and range too. Another comparison that would be great is a Highlander Hybrid vs Rvian R1S vs Tesla model X. I think that is more realistic to the future of vehicles.
Creating electricity and putting it into your EV isn't efficient. For every remaining gallon equivalent your EV is left with, 4 or 5 more equivalent gallons were wasted in the grid. This is what EV promoters don't understand.
@@AkioWasRight I didn’t realize that either. The process to end point of use is a very complex topic on both ICE and EV. To be honest, I think there is barely a break even point between either speaking in terms of environmental impact or consumer cost. Time savings goes to the ICE in many way, which is something you can’t buy.
@@AkioWasRightwhat you have failed to understand in your hyperbolic statement is that every gallon of gasoline requires 6KWH of energy to produce in the refining process. An average EV travels 24 miles with that power. In fact most gas cars indirectly consume more electricity than the average EV.
@@mattmortensen8492 It's not hyperbolic.
But you are right that gasoline production also has losses. However, it requires no less to produce coal and gas. You still have to drill and dig things up to extract and refine the various fuels that power the grid, which results in many tons of waste.
Mind you, there are other unaccounted for losses beyond that, like production of the electric vehicle itself, which creates almost as much waste as charging it. This is significantly more than the waste in producing an ICE vehicle. If that's not bad enough, there's the recycling of the EV, which also creates a tremendous amount of waste, far more than recycling an ICE vehicle. When it comes to EVs, most waste often goes unaccounted for.
In the end, you have to look at the entire supply chain and lifecycle, not just the end-user's waste. As a whole, EVs are incredibly wasteful.
@@AkioWasRight you have some sort of article or proof of this correct? I mean why should I just believe you saying this? Cuz that's the first time I've heard this
As the owner of a 2019 Sequoia, I get the aggravation of trip info resetting every time your turn off the vehicle. However, the traditional trip meters still give you mileage since you last reset them.
19:46 For that graph, you really should account for the initial fill up. Charging/filling up on the road is probably a similar cost, but it is deceptive because EVs usually start their trips at a much lower cost because it generally costs the same to fill up a gas car at home or on the road.
Next time you do an EV test, try doing one with kids, and small kids at that say 2-6 years old. I think your experience with and EV would be vastly different than that with an ICE, and it would be very interesting to watch :-)
There wouldn't be any good footage to choose from that trip :)
Exactly. If someone owns a Sequoia, they will probably have 3 kids, the family dog, and a roof rack cargo carrier full of snowboards and gear. If I'm on a mountain road trip, the last thing I want to do is more planning and waiting for an hour to charge.
It just depends, if you swap out the big hummer for say a model S Tesla I would personally put the disadvantage on an ice vehicle. Any 300+ mile plus trip with kids will require a short food/ bathroom break. Beyond that electric is quicker, cheaper to operate, smoother, runs climate control with no exhaust (good for kids sleeping) and has superior traction in bad conditions.
For trucks, towing and non-tesla vehicles the win definitely goes to ice vehicles for now.
Lmao at thinking the hotel is giving out “free” electricity. Nothing is free. Someone is paying. They could very well be building it into the price of the rooms.
Actually the entire trip was “free”. We didn’t pay to charge once to charge the Hummer.
@@TFLtruck How does that work? It showed a dollar amount due on the screen? Who pics up the tab? Someone is paying. I guess tax payers are.
@@pryme2013 hes writing it off as a business expense.
Woke eco activists don't make math. If they're not paying, they say it's free..lol Until there is no fossil fuel option. Then they can charge whatever they want. Including the amount for the free charges in the initial phase.
. As you just saw, eco activist tfl cannot disprove the ecological impact of battery making, lithium mining and fossil fuel electricity production. They can only turn their backs to it and do woke mockery. If facts are inconvenient, they'll ignore them
@@TFLtruck The responses from TFL lately have been pretty lame.
You drive an ev for 300 miles ( if at all possible). you come up to the EV charging station and see a huge line of drivers with EV's waiting in line to charge their said vehicles, and the driver with the gasoline vehicle stops at a gas station across the street from the said EV station, he pumps his gas for about 5 minutes and is well on his way to his destination. which would you pick?
Not even 5 minutes.
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk 5 minuts with an hand pump
@@Tonyx.yt. not even!
I have a Tundra and a Tesla. While I put gas in the Tundra quicker, the Tesla is far cheaper and more enjoyable of a ride, with zero maintenance. Sometimes you need to factor cost of ownership over 100k miles too. But yes the Tundra can tow... 😉
@Aussie2u The initial Tesla cost vs a fuel friendly car and then paying to have a charging station at my home I couldn't see the advantages. I was paying for the gas and maintenance savings up front. Now to be honest I only keep my cars five years and 100k, so thats a set of tires and $140 a year in oil changes. Yes I spend roughly $2k on gas as well. But I saved that in the initial purchase. Hopefully the big three offer competitive options, tesla is not it for me.
I don’t want to spend over an hour charging in some sketchy parking lot in the middle of the night. Making yourself an easy target.
Because there are no sketchy gas stations🤦♂️
@@TFLtruck Because there’s more gas stations to choose from on a trip and you’re not spending an excess amount of time at the station 🤦♂️
The Fast Lane Truck I think V R has you in checkmate
Sketchy gas station for 3 min.=sketchy parking lot for 1 hour. Tfl is an ESG activism agent. Time has proven it. As you just saw, they cannot disprove the ecological impact of battery making, lithium mining and fossil fuel electricity production. They can only turn their backs to it and do woke mockery. If facts are inconvenient, they'll ignore them
Who runs TFL comments? Is it Roman? Sounds like his oblivious comments that don’t even address the concern. This comment section on this video is bringing honest criticism and all they do is be an ass to people that have a different opinion.
Time + frustration level + cost = keep your EV. I’m keeping my current vehicle until I can charge in the amount of time it takes me to fill up with fuel. Just the way it is.
Would you buy a gas powered cell phone since it charges faster???
What an absolutely ridiculous comparison
I don't think 5 minute charging should be the tipping point. I think 15 minute charging will be where it's not a big deal and the Hyundai/Kia models already do that.
The much bigger issue is lack of charge stations but that'll be fixed by the infrastructure bill within a few years
@Jean Toronto Raptors on the hummer yes. It has a massive battery. Hyundai Ioniq 5 has a 77kwh battery (compared to 212 in the hummer) and charges at similar rate so it's in and out in 18 minutes
Trucks will need solid state batteries to get there on the tech. Passenger cars are there now though, at least the 800v ones are
When EVs get old the battery doesn't hold the charge and at some point needs replacement. We don't have that issue on the ICE cars. ICE cars fuel tank capacity never decreases :-)) with age of the car.
If everyone had an electric vehicle , just think about it, people would have to learn to be patient, travel time vs battery life and distance. Hotels and traditional restaurants would boom from all the extra time needed to travel. As an electrician myself, all the extra work for my profession, power plants and charging stations.✅
I think it could completely revitalize the towns on old route 50... Really the perfect road for it (b/c low speed limit, lots of towns)
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@17:43 - I woudn’t start to talk about the impact - an EV requires WAY MORE mining and metals (Colbal/Lithium, etc) on the manufacturing end than an ICE - it is not just about ongoing electricity production and use. Get an EV because it has cool tech, NOt to save Emissions (because it does not).
Andre is 100% right about the Toyota trip meter. Ford has that feature correct.
My Ford diesel truck will do just over 500 (500-530) miles on one tank of fuel (Not Towing). Will do between 380-450 while towing depending on weight. It is tuned and that’s running on the performance or towing tune. Before I tuned it and deleted the EGR/DPF system I averaged between 10-14 miles a gallon. Tell me which is better for the environment. I would have to say much better fuel economy. And no I don’t blow black smoke out the tailpipe either!
"Greta", my 7.3idi however...
TFL at it again. Interesting comparison. We’ve been taught the time is money. So the idea that the added planning, detour and time down to charge have real costs - thanks TFL. I’m not an EV user/ owner yet but I’m sure I will be a member of the borg soon enough…resistance is futile 😂 and your videos are helpful in my coming around
Roman's life is worthless, therefore wasting time charging is not a consideration.
You might be able to pick how your trip meter resets on the Toyota. On my Acura I have a trip A and B. You can set them up differently. 1- manual reset, 2- resets automatically when you fill up with gas, 3 - resets automatically when you turn the car off and on. Maybe the Toyota has something similar?
This Toyota hybrid system lets you choose to monitor efficiency between lifetime (from the last reset), trip or tank. It’s on the digital display and selected by the buttons on the left side of the steering wheel.
That would require them to read the manual. TFL doesn't do that and would much rather mislead the viewers.
@@takenpictures I’ve noticed that quite often.
HAhah, not only did it take an HOUR to fill up the EV, it also cost more! Ah! The future is here!
wait until they have a captured audience
Best part about it is the electric for the charge probably was generated by a fossil fuel 🙃
The number they calculated was also in correct for the electric bill should have been 58 ish dollars seeing as how they were getting charged 43 cents per KWH in the beginning and only calculated for 34 and was literally just a guess.
@@joeym2061 that and it stated at 97% and was only charged back to 80% so the hummer used 17% more energy on the trip then what was calculated into the price
You need to establish a dollar figure for how much your time is worth and add that to refuel times. Life is short.
Yeah, been realizing EVs are for people who don't value their own time or money
I have a 2014 F 150, four wheel drive XLT extra cab with the 5.0 Coyote. I do not care how fast it goes in a sprint to 60, I am a normal guy, and, live in an area of northeastern Minnesota with extreme winters, and, lots of snow. I like to drive the speed limit, on the state highway which is 60. II live 115 miles from Duluth, and, often make a trip to stock up on things. I get between 19-23 mpg on those trips, and, my truck has a range of between 500 and 600 miles with the big tank. I have taken it on some road trips of about 1200 miles, and, love the mileage and the range, and, this truck is so much less expensive, that, any big savings on an ev would never make sense. And, I do not have to wait for charging, or look for a place to do it.
THANK YOU ANDRE for showing energy consumed!!! much better comparison than MPGe
Doable is not good enough. I live in Phoenix and have a kid in club sports. We do San Diego, LA, Vegas and Albuquerque/El paso every year. Also, the wife is from Colorado, so we make at least 1 trip to Springs every year to visit Grandma.
If you've noticed, most people with EVs have them as a secondary vehicle...and I notice very few EV videos feature people shuttling kids around.
Roman you just paid $113,000.00 for a GM product, then you say "Over 80,000.00" for a Toyota is "ALOT OF MONEY,"
It’s classic he says, shockingly they are about the same price… I mean give it take 33,000 dollars lol… his Toyota hate is epic, shocked he didn’t bring up tow hooks!
Yeah, I laughed at that: in 7 years, one of them will have an impressive resale value and the other will have a degraded battery and need a plug that went out of style years previous
Man with current battery tech ev’s are no where close to replacing gas vehicles. Unless you don’t work or have a family.
@The Fast Lane Truck you left out a couple of not so small upfront costs of an EV, the initial price of the vehicle like the Hummer EV vs the Sequoia (33k more), and the work you all had to do to your homes electrical system to be able to charge them at a reasonable rate at home. That is expensive and would then require a service charge for every battery fill up depending on how long you plan to pay off the home charger setup and cost for each fill up done at home vs a gas fill up. Like an extra $20-$100 per battery charge... it would depend. I say treat it like a vehicle loan so payoff over 4 or 5 years, per fillup, etc. But that is a cost you did not account for in your calculations, so how much did you spend in total to be able to charge at your homes? Cause anyone with a gas vehicle most definitely did not have to pay to have a gas pump installed at our homes.
EV takes the L again
You don't need to watch this to know the outcome is always the same: The trip takes ungodly long, the range sucks and you better pray for perfect weather and working chargers to even make it. And if you have a particular bad day, your EV will just burn you and your passengers to a crisp when they eventually explode.
I fill my fuel tank in the same time you refresh your app
After recharging only to 80% how far could you go before having to stop for another hour?
You are stopping every 180 miles or so to recharge since you never take battery to 0% and only recharge to 80%. That will be much more than an hour on longer trips, way to many stops for us.
Of course you also need to add in the ‘weight gained’ factor when you charge your EV because of all the extra snacks you eat while you’re waiting for it to charge 🤣.
Give it 5 years when there are more EVS on the street there will be no more free power-ups. Electric prices will go up and at the end of the day will be paying as much if not more as gasoline. That's a given.
Entertaining video, thanks guys!
The real question is for long, will the vehicle be useable and serviceable in the extended future. In 10 years will the gas engine still be running with or without major repairs? Will the electric vehicle be obsolete as far as software and battery technology goes? What then happens to said electric vehicle when it's parked in a lot somewhere left to die? There needs to be future plans for older electric cars to be able to survive as tech moves along, or essentially, you're just creating a much larger E waste problem that solves nothing.
are you likely to be carjacked standing outside at a charging station at night with a very valuable vehicle? At least at a petrol station there is an attendant, lighting and security cameras, and its quicker.
Good grief, have you ever been to a sketchy gas station at midnight? We’ll take a Walmart parking lot instead.
3 minute hit and Run for our life over sitting in a wall mart parking lot possibly waiting in line.
@@derekk6906pointed out the same thing and TFL got pissy. Like Ghetto Mart is any safer. Guess they’ve sold out.
@@TFLtruck the chance for a carjacking is dependent on the time you're standing still
Did you take into account the fact that Andre would have arrived around an hour earlier than Roman?
No they didn’t. The opportunity cost of sitting behind some nondescript Walmart for an hour or so smelling bum piss, hoping you don’t get mugged is the 800 pound gorilla in the room the EV crowd tries to dismiss by saying “no one drives more than 200 miles at a time”.
When we load up I’m at best coasting into a rest area to pee then hammering down again. We fuel when we eat lunch and we fuel at dinner if pulling an long trip. It’s 460 miles with maybe a bathroom break and a 5 minute refuel then at it again. Time is expensive. I’m not wasting it behind a Walmart an hour at a time.
Should have picked an F150 hybrid. 650 miles with a 30 gallon tank . But they knew that from the Alaska trip
10:27 with how pitted the road is in that area, I wouldn't trust auto steering at all. Especially when you hit that expansion joint a couple miles before Silverthorne and it tries to throw you into the wall.
Roman is completely wrong around 17:40. He forgets to mentioned in all his EV video's is how much material and environmental destruction is required for one battery.
So usable range in a trip is only 220 or so being generous! Big battery as well! Empty! Around town and charging at home is the only good use!
One thing to consider is time and the cost during that wait time charging the EV that would not happen with gas vehicles. You guys mentioned getting dinner while waiting to charge. I assume costs spent inside Costco while waiting is also true. There are hidden costs associated with time, that go beyond the cost of time that are not being discussed.
16:30 I used to own a GM product and had a GM app. That app would never work. I used the app 3 times to set up oil changes and other services. After the 3rd time, I quit using the app. I had the vehicle for 4 years, and it never worked the entire time that I had it.
Does using the heat effect the range in the Hummer?
A tiny bit
gas engine = 5 minutes to get fuel, food, restroom break EV = hours of recharge wasted potential using a hummer as an example mainly because of it's weight and size. something like a chevy bolt would be more practical since no one really buys a 100K + EV
You'll have nothing and be happy. Tfl is an ESG activism agent. Time has proven it. As you just saw, they cannot disprove the ecological impact of battery making, lithium mining and fossil fuel electricity production. They can only turn their backs to it and do woke mockery. If facts are inconvenient, they'll ignore them
20 to 80% in a Hyundai Ioniq 5 would have been 15mins of charge and less than half the cost. By the time you put gas in the car, move the car, go use the bathroom and maybe grab a snack or drink, that's an easy 10 to 15min.
Nobody takes a Chevy Bolt to Moab either
Well... Tesla owners do; it's pretty much the entry point b/c an EV cannot be your only vehicle so the only customers have plenty of money to burn
Are comparing cost? Cost + time? I am a little confused 14:41
The best truck for road trips has always been DIESEL. The only thing that could beat it is DIESEL / ELECTRIC hybrid.
I'll just keep buying used disposable trucks for 2-3k till the power grid will be able to support the extra load. Heck I'd have to redo my service and upsize my panel to have a proper charger. Then dig a trench and run a larger feed to my garage. I'll keep burning gas and riding 2 strokes!
A lot of people don't realize this. I am an electrician and people are like I want electric hot water on demand, and I am like well you need a whole new service then. Their jaws drop when they see the price for that. I have only had one person go for it in the last 5 years, and that was so he could also have a bigger shop panel too.
Most EV road trips consist of driving from one charge station to the next and gambling that the charging will work. Sorry I’ll stick with my diesel and gas as long as possible.
@14:28 Poor Andre, he is very tired. Not sure about new Sequoia Andre, but in general there should be a separate button to go through ODO, Trip1, Trip2 screen. Arrow buttons used for the info screen pages don't work for the ODO & trip screen. (Fun fact that trip button is the same you use to reset the maintenance reminder). Also small correction, Toyota will not reset the trip when you shut down the engine (I hope nothing changed with Sequoia) .
Just did a quick search. Sequoia trip / odo button is on the left side from steering on the dash next to dash illumination level button. When you select trip and keep pressing it will reset the trip distance meter.
What's killing cost is the margins on commercial chargers. We already know that most gas stations have almost no margins on fuel, most averaging 1.5% to 5% on the top end. Utilities charge .09 and .13 per kwh in that same area you're charging during off peak hours...when you were charging. And EA charged you .44 per kwh, nearly a 400% markup.
Even Tesla Superchargers are getting a bit ridiculous. In terms of cost per mile, this is like paying to drive a car that gets 28mpg for a more efficient EV, and closer to 18mpg for this Hummer...which is good for what it is but the average car sold today gets 25mpg...which means the cost per mile is the exact same for both your typical car regardless of efficiency. It's the same reason why natural gas heating is almost always cheaper than resistance electric. However, the big issue is the cost per mile is the same minus federal gas tax that's used to maintain roads and highway.
I know you can charge at home, and I hope people boycott commercial chargers whenever if they can because the margins are those are ridiculous. There should be greater economic benefits to EV adoption. Shouldn't settle with these extreme profit and mark ups. EVs are easier and more cost effective to manufacture at scale, shouldn't just settle for the fact they're more expensive just because it's greener.
Currently you can gas anywhere, if you run out of fuel practically anyone can bring you 5-gallons of fuel and get you to a station and or safety. Same doesn't apply to the EV's.
Really?!?! Are you seriously saying that it’s easier to get gas than to plug into wall outlet?
@@TFLtruck yes it is!
@@TFLtruckThis comment was clearly relating to the video that YOU just posted about road trips, not charging at home. And yes I think it’s easier to drive to a gas station and fill up instead of waiting 24 hours for a full charge
Really?!?! When traveling how can I plug into a wall outlet if I don't have an 800 mile long extension cord? There are Gas stations at practically every exit even in rural areas.
I can walk to a gas station and walk back with enough gas in a bucket to get me there. Can you do the same with your EV?
55 minutes of charge time is plenty of time for thieves to completely strip the vehicle if left unattended.
I own a Tesla Model 3 Performance and a Chevy Silverado. From experience, I will take my Silverado on road trips. Case in point. I recently drove round trip from Albuquerque to Scottsdale, Arizona. Supercharger cost for the trip was $103.81. It would’ve cost $200 to drive my Silverado. The Tesla also added two hours in charge wait times. I love, and bought my Tesla for city driving snd charging at home. It works for road trips I just don’t like the extra time it takes.
The new sequoia is such a good looking vehicle. And with all that torque and 10 speed I bet it is an amazing Toyota product
Gasoline vehicles all the way.
These videos do not make me like EVs
They are not supposed to make you like EVs. These are real world reviews. You make up your own mind.
@@TFLtruck Why do so many of them??? Please get back to you roots.
They lie even about their propaganda intentions..lol Tfl is an ESG activism agent. Time has proven it. As you just saw, they cannot disprove the ecological impact of battery making, lithium mining and fossil fuel electricity production. They can only turn their backs to it and do woke mockery. If facts are inconvenient, they'll ignore them
@@TFLtruck i appreciate you guys have followed you since the beginning.
I can’t imagine being in a emergency, or just trying to get home after a long day or long road trip…. Kids tired and crabby, babies crying and such and you have to sit there for an hour waiting to charge…. The gasser will be done and back on the road, pretty much already at the destination, checking into a hotel passing out finally on a bed, or whatever was getting done at the next stop. Imagine needing a hospital or something and you can’t get to it in time because your vehicle didn’t make it, stuck charging while someone isn’t very happy
Lest we forget, the price of highway fuel includes state and federal taxes while electricity from charging stations does not. Assuming all gasoline for this trip is/was purchased in Colorado ($040.4/gallon tax), shouldn't a similar cost/mile be applied to miles traveled by the Hummer? Currently, Utah combined tax is $0.686/gallon and the State is changing to a per-mile fee (Road Usage Charge Program) as a way for drivers to pay their portion of roadway operation and maintenance. With the ability of new vehicles to be geo-located and controlled, will drivers get a monthly bill for their miles driven and if they don't pay, the "car" will have restricted or reduced operation until the "tax" is collected?
Roman, ask me that same question when the battery pack is 5-10 years old 🔌💩🤠
BTW where's Nathan?
Tfl is an ESG activism agent. Time has proven it. As you just saw, they cannot disprove the ecological impact of battery making, lithium mining and fossil fuel electricity production. They can only turn their backs to it and do woke mockery. If facts are inconvenient, they'll ignore them
@@haendel2004 2030 agenda
By that time, the charging technology will have moved on such that they won't be able to find a charger that fits!
Then, as resale value will be $1 +a hug, this Hummer will be thrown away like an old cell phone
So, imagine a longer trip where you would normally have to fill up or charge 3 to 4 times...The EV would add 3 to 4 hours to your drive time just waiting for it to charge...and thats if you don't have to wait for a charger and if they are working...Not as easy and simple as you make it out to be. Until charge times are down and charging stations are more reliable and almost as common as gas stations, EV's are not for me. And, there are plenty of studies out there that show that the EVs aren't more carbon friendly until you get up to about 80k miles. Not going to detail it here but you can look it up...there are plenty of studies showing it. It boils down to the energy required for the charging, mining, etc. Good video though. Keep it up!
And by 80k miles, the battery has degraded and the charging networks moved on to new chargers
Great Video!
For a hybrid with a twin turbo v6 I was expecting alot more mpg like my 1992 f250 4x4 I use to own had a swap to a turbocharged buick 3.8 making 220hp and 330 ft pounds of torque with a 5 speed manual I did all the gearing and tires properly and had a mode that I activated in the ecu makng it lean burn I also had some aero mods to it for long trips it got 22.9 going 65mph and up hill since I had 4:10 gears in the axles it went up smoothly at 55mpg getting 18.29
That's quite the claim there.
No videos of it? Not featured in some sort of auto show or anything???
Was it still a 4x4 after this conversion?
The Sequoia has twice the horsepower and almost twice the torque, weighs more and can safely tow more than that 1900’s F250 - and still gets nearly the same mileage cruising at 80 mph. Add in Toyota didn’t bias their new platform towards efficiency- they chose to bias it towards Towing and your old truck comparison isn’t even a starter even when it was at its best.
@@JohnJones-ty6fj He stated that he converted his 99 F-250 to a GM (Buick) 3.8 liter V6 with a turbo on it. The 220HP and 330ft lbs is totally within the realm with a conservative turbo for good early torque but not much on the high end.
But his claim of 22.9 MPG at 65 MPH and whatnot is what I'd doubt. A modern direct injected Ford or Toyota twin turbo 3.5 V6 with VVT and all the tech wouldn't get that mileage in a heavy ass 1999 F-250 4X4 and that modded old Buick isn't going to for sure. 😆
All these shows on CZcams drink the EV Kool aid.
OR….you only and constantly watch Fox News. Be honest…have you even driven an EV?
Fox News lol… what a comeback.
@@TFLtruck yes, several and everyone has fallen short of all this made up hype. When you add in the cost of the vehicle, upgrading the electrical service for the proper charger, horrific range, long charge times,, increased insurance cost and living in the Salt belt, It is a HORRIBLE purchase.
@@TFLtruck "Fox news" ok, who's the intern holding this account and how fast will they be let go?
Nope. Only commenting to support you guys. We all know these EV's are a pain in the arse. For me we have a way to go before I'll consider an EV.
TFL Guys, Roman, Tommy, Andre and Nathan, I would love to see you test the Coccon test driven by Sandy Munro, I think it's gonna be an awesome utilitarian EV that can do it all, can't wait to see you you guy's drive this feeling excited already
Depends on the type of trip; if you plan to meander, perhaps stop and explore the lavender haze, an EV might encourage such exploration.
Gas feels on-demand, perhaps prioritizing the now over the eventual.
Different strokes, I suppose.
Ev's not ready for prime time.
I would love to see an efficiency battle between a hybrid like the Prius, the hummer EV and a Rivian 👍
I love how these recharge systems only get you to 80%. They are so slow they just chop off 20% so that it doesn't seem as slow as it really is. You only charged about 60% in an hour on the fastest charger there is. That is why nobody wants to road trip these things plus if the "pump" doesn't work or there is a line its going to be even longer. My vote is with Toyota all day long. The Hummer looks better but that's it.
I noticed you filled the sequoia up with premium fuel does toyota require premium fuel in the sequoia?
Probably, its twin turbo. Most turbo vehicles require premium. My friends mom had a Mercedes SL65 (twin turbo v12) and she was complaining that it was running like crap, turns out she was putting 87 octane in it....I guess she cant read the gas cap that says premium fuel only!
Owners manual says 87 or higher for the Tundra, which I'd assume is the same for Sequoia. F-150 Ecoboosts also call for minimum of 87 (91 if towing heavy).
the engine is tuned for 87. Lexus version tuned for premium only - hence, more HP.
I find that, for long trips, the dollars spent per mile is roughly equivalent regardless of octane choice b/c you need to push the gas pedal a bit less.
@@atodaso1668 Not true, I have a 2019 Expedition with 3.5 L Twin Turbo V6, runs on regular unleaded 87 octane.
My problem with most CZcamsrs' "roadtrips" is that they are going like it's a vacation and you don't need to get there quickly. I drive longer trips to make money. I want to get there and be able to do useful work. I don't drive cars that need 2 or 3 one hour stops to get me 350 miles one way! a 350 mile trip most places in the west is just a little over 4 hours. I should be able to make that trip and still have a half-day of work and enough fuel to go around the properties at my destination. Then work almost a full day, refill before I leave (10 minutes tops) and get home by bed time with enough fuel leftover for the next day, refueling when convenient. No EV comes even close. And those are our short trips. Many of our trips 750 mile one-way. That would be about 6 one-hour stops each way, as opposed to ICE vehicles needing one mid-trip stop of 15 minutes for gas, bathroom, and sandwich. Then refill at the end.
I really want to quit using gas, but BEVs don't seem like they will ever be really workable, since no one is even researching how to make a vehicle that is as good as a Ford Fusion, a Toyota Camry Hybrid, or a Mercedes GLK Diesel for this kind of work. I agree that BEVs are perfect for most urban/suburban people who only drive long trips when they are vacationing, but that's no one in rural areas.
hybrids are pretty good i just bought a hybrid elantra i get 46 mpg on highway going 77-80 mph city it kills it at 52 . It is the limited which has more draw. The blue model gets better mpg less electronics.i always drove a fusion for the last 10 years.
@@rtyhhas My Camry Hybrid does well. between 41 & 42 averaging about 80 on trips, so that's in excess of 500 miles with it's 13 gallon tank. No BEV can touch that in range. The stated goal is to get rid of fossil fuels. My point is that states like CA & NY are ignoring their rural citizens' needs by banning the sale of ICE vehicles.
BEVs are only good for people who have urban, and maybe suburban commutes. They are awful on long road trips where you have to be there in a reasonable amount of time, or it costs you money. These yahoos are only traveling to Moab from Boulder. Heck, I drive from San Bernadino to Ft Collins in one shot, work 4 days and drive back (with one or 2 other workers in the vehicle). Lots of ICE vehicles can do this, that kind of range is minimal for a useful car. No way you could do that with ANY BEV. And I don't see anyone even trying to make something like that work.
Curious what the time was for going out of your way to get the first fill up in the Toyota. The Hummer was full when you woke up and you could technically just head out. It’s still going to take longer with the EV overall but that does cut down the time.
Plus to get the free "hotel charge", you have to stay at that hotel and I bet that hotels nightly fees can be easily beaten at other hotels.
But the hummer also had to go 20 minutes out of the way to get to a charger on the way where as the Toyota could have just kept going instead of doing a extra 20 minutes of driving just to charge for a hour right there you lose 80 minutes of time the Toyota could of traveled a long ways in that amount of time even with stopping to refuel an a bathroom brake with some snacks stretching there legs would still have a 1 hour lead on the hummer
Also the hummer was at 97% when they started the trip and only charged back to 80% so they used 17% more energy then they used to do the cost comparisons between the hummer an the Toyota where as the Toyota was full at the start an filled back to full so not a fair comparison also done there calculations on 34 cents a kw but the cost shown on the charger was 43 cents a kw so the price comparison of 40 for the Toyota an 42 for the hummer is way off hummer would of actually cost them closer to 52 for the trip they did
Despite the relative inefficiencies of ICE vehicles, for EVs to actually be cheaper to refuel at the same level as ICE vehicles you also have to look at WHAT you’re actually getting for your dollars when fueling vs charging. So, you used 12.357 gallons of gasoline, paid $40.02, and dumped the equivalent of 416.4309kWh of energy into your tank at what, roughly 10 cents per kWh. Your hummer went through more than 136.2360 kWh, but that’s where you stopped charging. You ended up paying $42.24 at roughly 31 cents per kWh. It’s worse with the non-membership pricing too. If you start using an EV truck as a TRUCK, and put a load on those motors, that miles per kWh becomes kWh per miles really quickly and the numbers get even worse.
Per equivalent unit of energy, you’re still getting more for your dollar with gasoline, faster, and with fewer inconveniences than an EV. And if power production is nothing but windmills and solar farms in our future, with coal and other fossil fuels being shuttered, everyone will be looking back on $0.31 per kWh fondly like they do sub $1 a gallon gasoline of yesteryears. And that cost will hit everyone’s pocketbook not just when charging EVs, but for everything electric from lights, refrigerators, AC, computers, etc. Especially with energy hungry EVs taxing the grid instead of a different type of energy hungry vehicle that used energy dense liquid fuel that wasn’t 100% pulled from the grid.
Hummer gets 1.6 miles/kWh. At 70 mph it needs 70 mph/1.6 mpkwh = 43.75 kw to power it. 43.75 kw = 53.75 hp. A 100 hp 4 cylinder turning a 60 kw generator should handle this amount of power easily and get better fuel mileage.
What is TFL EV for?
Laughs
I love that their B roll for the hummer omaze ad showed a broken charger plugged in. Strange cinematic choice
17:42 Roman is The Hulk