New Zealand law aims to stamp out smoking - BBC News
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- New Zealand will ban the sale of tobacco to its next generation, in a bid to eventually phase out smoking.
Anyone born after 2008 will not be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products in their lifetime, under a law expected to be enacted next year.
"We want to make sure young people never start smoking," Health Minister Dr Ayesha Verall said.
The move is part of a sweeping crackdown on smoking announced by New Zealand's health ministry on Thursday.
Doctors and other health experts in the country have welcomed the "world-leading" reforms, which will reduce access to tobacco and restrict nicotine levels in cigarettes.
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What is the difference between prison and New Zealand?
New Zealand, Australia and Canada are in the Vanguard of the New World Order.
Prison life at least makes sense.
You can't drop soap in NZ because they banned it.
Ban soap. So many kids are abused by it. Statistics show 60% of children have had their mouths watched out with soap. Think of the children!
Just a note to the journalist calling smoking a “habit” : smoking is not a habit. I go to the cinema every week as a habit but if I have to miss one week I will not start sweating, become irritable and panic. Smoking is an addiction.
Well said. My husband went over to vape to stop smoking cigarettes and then he had to wean himself from nicotine. That took him a good 7 years, he could not go cold turkey it didn't work. He still vapes, nicotine free, but he has to suck on something like a dummy, that has become a habit. It's definitely a physical and a mental addiction.
I only smoke at work (too stressfull :P) but never take them home, so I can control the habit. The weekends I skip easily.
After been addicted for quite some time, I slowly took control from making it an addiction, to a habit, to a escape from work.
At some point my mind just gave up trying to give me urges outside work time.
@@ForgottenGames ur not a smoker ...poser
Please don't expect logic from golden mouth people.
George Carlin
Short movie EXPERT
Meat sweats mean I'm hamburger addicted ?
My Mom had smoked for 22 years. She only quit when she was required to go outside of the building where she worked to smoke. She didn’t want to stand in the heat and cold and wind. She didn’t want people staring at her. It was enough pressure for her to quit. I believe quitting saved her life. She’s 97 years old now. I’m blessed to still have her in my life.
She still freely quit a government mandating it is another thing altogether. What next there ate a huge number of things that cause harm over time.
My neighbour past away last year aged 96, she smoked like a chimney since she was 15.
My dad is in his late 70s smoke 40 a day easy everyday and recently was diagnosed with Diabetes lol
Lungs and everything else is fine
I had a Grandmother that smoked to 92 years old. When you decide to quit. That was a free choice, not forced on you.
Nice story but living long is all down to luck.
Wanting to be smoke free and being forced to be smoke free a different things
@Harry Mays Maybe a mouthbreather like you needs governmental guidance throughout life but the rest of us have enough conscious awareness to make decisions on our own without the need of some fascist dictatorship governing our every choice.
@Harry Mays so is alcohol, fast food, fizzy drinks, sweets and many other things, maybe they should ban all those to and we could live happily ever after. Or people could make their own decisions about what they want to do with their lives
@@neillmooney1 but all those things don't affect others that don't want to have it in their bodies. when you Smokey it gets in children and other People! I don't want to ever feel the smäll of Smoke!
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@@somethingbambi875
This is a myth. Who told you this?
Alcohol for instance. A pregnant mother can pass off the effects of drinking to the baby, in a thing called FAS or fetal alcohol syndrome.
Alcohol can lead to car crashes with multiple injuries or death. I won't tell you the effects that alcohol had on my family but i assure it isn't merely anecdotal.
There are millions of people effected by alcohol that aren't directly using it.
That's just alcohol. I could point out the side effects of any of those other things that could harm others adjacent to their use but why bother?
It's clear that everything effects everyone.
Except young people prefer vaping, which is being marketed to them by the same tobacco industry so why is that ok?
causes less obvious/costly health damage.
Vaping is bad but not as bad as cigarettes.
@@emvv3784 We don't know that yet! How long did it take before tobacco companies finally admit the connection
between smoking related illnesses including cancer, though many still fight lawsuits.
@@voicezful notice how i said less obvious. that black lung shit they show you in school does not happen from vaping. Also, companies admitting things doesnt dictate conversation or unserstanding. we dont know what the chemicals in vaping do, we do know you arent getting black lung and emphazema.
By your argument why is alcohol okay? Alcohol does far more damage to society than tobacco
no meat, no smoking, no nothing. welcome to the future of the wef.
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I'm not a smoker, but this sounds like a whole lot of tyranny
Well it's not
@@LittleLoz well it is
@@TryChillBalloo Wrong
@@LittleLoz it objectively is. Cope
@@MichaelM28 Nope.
I suppose you think being made to wear a seatbelt is a dictatorship.
Utter moron
Drug dealers will start selling tobacco & then kids that start buying cigarettes off them will all of a sudden know who to buy hard drugs from
I can assure you that nobody who sells hard drugs will need to sell tabacco 😂
@@Pidove727 Just you wait you idiot, this illegal statues of tobacco will create a black market. Stupid ban laws.
I'm pretty sure if you asked most kids where they could go to buy drugs, they already know. Drug dealers operate so openly now.
But that also implies that young kids what to smoke? I can't agree more with this law
Whereas I appreciate the aims, and as a hard core anti smoker myself, I fear that this could just have the same effect as the war on drugs has, or the prohibition had on alcohol sales.
Hopefully they take the Portuguese approach and treat young people with cigarettes as patients instead of criminals
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 I mean they did say, selling it to kids will be illegal, so maybe that means they won't arrest kids... Also it isn't only Portugal
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 Like yea but what i mean is anyone born after 2008
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 Hmm let's see
They should improve mental health like Portugal is doing. Saves heaps of money in the long run.
When something is prohibited people start suddenly wanting to try it... Sad but true..
Not entirely true. Bans usually have success in getting less people using the drug but it comes at the cost of more crime and harm to communities.
Murder is prohibited but i dont feel the need to kill
We had prohibition in 2020 and part of this year, that included tobacco. People who were extremely addicted to cigarettes just bought it on the black market.
Yet the younger generation are less likely to take up the habit, a final nail in the tobacco industry who still rule supreme in some parts of the globe.
@@diegomorata2885 Equating smoking to murder is ridiculous.
If only we had an example of prohibition from history to guide us in such matters 🤔
I mean, they’ve been hiking the price of their cigarettes for a long time. That along side education of the terrible effects of tobacco will help their effort to stamp it out totally. They aren’t just going cold Turkey on it.
@@waylingtons They successfully ruined quality of their products by producing real sh*t, monopolized markets and razed prices with governments help and their campaigns "we working hard for your own good". The only problem is biological creatures tend to use all kinds of stimulants after long hours of stupid pointless work - maybe it will end the era of tobacco, but I heard columbians doing just fine.
@Dr fish
Theres a good response to this. It's that NZ is not prohibiting cigarrettes for the current generation. No one who is already addicted to it should object that their children can no longer get addicted to cigarretes. It is prohibiting it for those who come after. Also they have not banned nicotine which is the key addictive material, only a deadly and cancerous delivery system of nicotine. If it fails, then it will be a valuable lesson, just don't treat this as the same as the US prohibition.
@@adrianhutabarat1736 treat it like the heroin proibition.
@@vladimirseven777 You have no idea what you’re talking about hahaha
100% great idea!!! It worked in the US - we prohibited alcohol in 1920 which eradicated alcoholism once and for all ! Later we repeated that success with heroin, cocaine and crack cocaine. It's a paradise on earth here now, our youth has never been healthier and happier
Didn't the government import cocaine to make money to fight cocaine? or something equally intelligent.....
Lol 😆 upvoted
Different countries, different people, different results
Yes, so the solution is to sell heroin, cocaine and crack cocaine?
And they won't prohibit it at once, but progressively.
@ so name a single country with zero drinkers?
What about alcoholic beverages? At least smoking cigarettes doesn’t lead to crime or lewd immoral/violent behaviour.
alcohol is deeply ingrained in every human society, gl mate
Alcohol kills stress not smoking
How do you do that? You can make alcohol out of basically anything. You going to ban apples? Grapes? Rice? Pears? Potatoes?
@@joshuathomas668
Ask the Saudis. I’m sure Saudi cops are living a dream compared to cops in “civilised” countries.
@@screwyyoui4120 huh?? Every ?? Even in Islam??
Let people do what they want absolute clowns
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this is crazy, today smoke tomorrow sugar the next day alcohol..... insane
Feels a bit creepy for a government to force people to behave as it likes. We’re headed for such a dystopia.
Well that is what laws are
I'm glad they at least allow current smokers to keep smoking. They also allowed current smokers to be as young as 14. If a tobacco sale plan is ever introduced, it needs to be something like this. That way, you're not limiting the freedoms of people who don't want to give up smoking. You're only limiting the freedoms of people yet to even start smoking. They're not missing much.
Its called Dictation
Why do these moronic "experts" always act like nicotine is the only psychoactive element of tobacco smoking?
A good government has to save idiots aswell even those that don't want to be saved.
As long as their is a demand, there will always be a supply not matter how illegal or immoral it is.
And so?
Firearms are illegal in most countries, and obviously there is less going around than in countries where it's legal.
They'll probably not eradicate 100%, but if they can reduce it by even half, it would already be a great success.
there won't BE demand because no one will start, get addicted, and demand to smoke! You completely missed the point.
we have ways to artificially control supply and demand
@Alvin Ochola yep, humanity still believing in dude walking on water and other fairy tails...
@@tiloalo maybe they should make heroin and cocaine illegal. That'll fix the problem. Oh wait.....
As a non-smoker myself I can't help but feel it is wrong to ban smoking but increasing the age restrictions is wise. Protect the young but let adults live the way they want
As a current adult smoker I agree, iv tried to quit a few times and its hard. It's unhealthy and I think this is a good this is a great thing for younger generations.
Yes let adults trash and mess up society because its freedom!
@@Genevasplaytime same thing with sugar ....
Piers Hentridge....
Thank you for not being a puppet
@@Genevasplaytime
Are you doing anything to help change the present state of the world ?
I'm not a citizen of New Zealand but if this implemented in my country, I'd flip out. Whatever someone puts in their own body knowingly and without being a detriment to others wellbeing, shouldn't be decided by the government.
But it is detrimental to others around them, especially if they have children.
i started at 11. i copied other smokers. you hurt me. i hurt others by smoking still. we dont have any right to hurt people. until its controlled (impossible apparently) we need to just suck it up and accept responsibility. if it helps they removed all regulations on american tobacco companies over 50years old a few years ago. so they can put whatever they like in there and theres no comebacks. they dont even need to stick to the nicotine content labels etc.
youd be right if second-hand smoke didnt exist
@@Tarpull so ban smoking in public places. If you have children, don't smoke in front of them or in places where kids are likely to be. That being said, you should be perfectly within your rights to smoke in the privacy of your home. There must be reasonable restrictions on both ends - people's rights as private citizens and their responsibilities to the overall community.
@@winter_silhouette obviously no one gives a fuck if you smoke where no one cares you smoke. Problem is, people smoke in public areas anyways no matter the law. Im no angel though, I used to love cigarettes.
Truth is, cigarettes are trash and should be treated as such. Logically, you will never win an argument that defends cigarettes
Strongly disagree with this.
I strongly agree with it smoking is a terrible thing that must die
@@zeffy._440 And alcohol, the effects are worse, vile drunkards.
Those who born before 2007 now got part time job to sell cigarette to their juniors..
NZ is turning into a Communist State.. I will go instead to Australia because they have more Freedom!!
@@jasonmilton Not really.
@@jasonmilton I don't think you know what communism is. Also why do you want people to have a smoking addiction.
But they would do that anyway. 18/21 year olds selling alcohol and cigs to 16 year olds was always a thing. It just makes it so if people want to start smoking there's an additional barrier of entry of always having to find a random person to sell it to you vs just being able to walk into a shop a buy it.
@@jasonmilton Australia seems to have the same problem.
Yes we need the governments to change our diapers & Wipe our noses.
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Fast food and drinks are just as addictive and unhealthy as tobacco and alcohol.
Wow really? Nobody else was aware of this. Lets ban food too.
@@kida6460 well you could do that. or you could take the sugar out..not do what boris did and increase the safe levels to american standards..you should maybe move over here the food is poisonous shit and nobody complains about it. mind you thats going to be england in 10years 🤷
@Hell Raiser I'll bet you're an a**hole every minute of the day. And still an anonymous coward.
One billion humans will die from smoking in the 21st century. A large percentage of them will die from second hand smoke. Tobacco should be banned globally. There is no peeing section in a public swimming pool.
@Hell Raiser Anonymous coward with really stupid arguments. Go back to your trailer park. You're missing that Jerry Springer marathon.
Teenagers today started vaping rather than being adults moving down from cigarettes to vapes.
It's like they're refusing to learn any of the lessons of the drug wars and alcohol prohibition.
not easy to grow a sneaky field of tobbaco. and its so low value it wont be worth it.
@@luminousfractal420 did everyone just forget all those sneaky fields of weed before hydroponics were more a thing
@@luminousfractal420 its also not easy to grow a field of oppium flowers. and heroin is still a thing
@@luminousfractal420 and when it becomes illegal, the price will hike. Basic economics.
@@cookieking1996 um... it's already sold illegally, cheaper than it is.
I cannot fathom, people agreeing that this is a good idea, my mother smokes, and I’ve been trying to get her quit for 15 years, Should still be a choice though, this is a slippery slope to 1984.
But this isn't the legislation. Its also not 1984 shit???? The law intends to ban anyone who was born after 2008 from buying tobacco regardless of their age. So in 2050 when these people are 42 they still wouldn't be able to buy tobacco but those who are 43 would be able to because they were born in 2007.
@@dylaanowen no they will just buy illegal smokes
@@dylaanowenminors cant buy alcool or smoke under 18 in your country, rigth? and yet, they do. its almost like teens don't like to be told what they can or can't do.
@@dylaanowen We should ban donuts too! I'm too fat and can't stop my binge eating. Reee!
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” - George Santayana
The US Prohibition of 1920-1933 anyone?
How did that work out?
You're aware that the world is not solely composed of USA? Norway has its own alcohol restrictions for years now and it's doing fine. The American prohibition backfired bc it was badly designed and hastily implemented. Chill.
@@jazy3091 And it was also completely unjustified, so there’s that too. Funny that “The land of the free” took away people’s private right wether or not to drink alcohol.
@Packster Mosk 👍😂
I paid to smoke when I was stupid.
And despite the fact I wised up and stopped smoking some years ago.
I'm still paying for my earlier stupidity of smoking today.
Everyday is a painful reminder.
they should ban booze as well yeah ?
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And now, when you got smarter, you turned into normal drone just like governments wanted. But you still not effective enough because you have biological needs and not completely merged with machines - Neuralink is next step.
@@vladimirseven777 So if you stop smoking you become a drone? What if you've never smoked? Does that mean your an Android 😂
ex smokers can be the worst. every little thing they experience afterwards, they blame it all on cigarettes while they're eating their 10 pound greasy burger
Yes because the war on drugs is a very effective way to reduce drug use.
Prohibition worked really well in the united states /s
But People who want to live normal without it can do so freely. Cigarettes effect me and My children everyday, but if they were illegal People wouldnt Smoke around others. I know a lot of People smoking Pot, but they who don't want to don't have to get it around Them, you see? Now I think grass smells alot better than cigarettes ever Will. I would rather have People smoking Pot around me haha just joke a Side.
I don't smoke tobacco and never really did besides in joints, when I did smoke weed.
But thats some totalitarian stuff..
Here's how RETARDED governments are.
2011- 2014 i had banned tobacco, and i mean for life, and my joints had this slow burning peppermint stuff. No need for tobacco EVER.
That's MY ADULT CHOICE to smoke hash. Paul McCartney.
Peppermint stuff: cigarette form, Holland and Barrett health stores sold it in UK in packs of 20.
One day 2014 i couldn't find it and she told me the UK govt tried to tax it ( they only LOOKED like cigarettes) so they had to withdraw it.
Back to cancerous tobacco then.
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@@Kelly14UK We need IQ tests for politicians. The Idiocracyis worldwide. I honestly think Boomers are incapable of running governments. 😂
@@NashHinton It is now legalised in my Mum's country!!! Malta.
@@NashHinton Edit. I meant hash is legal in Malta.
Lies again? Quit Smoking Like Cousins
as good an idea as stopping smoking is, this is not going to work, its just giving criminals another source of unregulated revenue
You say that as if unregulated trade is a bad thing. Hint: it's not.
Yup.
Just like what happened when the Volstead Act was enacted in the US (Prohibition of Alcohol).
Tobacco has been in use for so long (as has Alcohol) that prohibiting it is only going to give organized Crime a chance to fill the hole.
It's not going to work.
@@Twobirdsbreakingfree He's not talking about unregulated trade, he's talking about cigarettes being unregulated because they are being traded by criminals. And hint: of course unregulated trade is bad, regulation is why you cant nip down to your local shop to buy a human liver.
@@JohnE0102 He is implying that unregulated revenue is a bad thing. Here's a hint for you: it's not. You can't regulate people by setting up another group of people to regulate them. The group of people that are appointed to do the regulating are prone to the same immoral behaviour as the people doing the trading, since they are also human beings and are not cut from finer cloth. I hope I taught you a lesson today. If you have any objections I'll help you to understand this concept that many people struggle with. You are clearly having difficulty understanding that there is no group of people that magically happens to be more virtuous, more responsible, more altruistic, more reliable etc. than other people. This delusion you are suffering because of is often called statism and it's really harming you and the people that you care for. You have to snap out of this dream John. Time to come back to reality.
Yeah mostly govt members...
People have the right to smoke, drink , eat crap etc. End of.
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@@chllauk Stupid people.
It may be stupid but it's down to the individual it's there choice what they do with there Life
Already there isn't much smoking of tobacco in NZ in my experience
Everyone I know that smoked has switched to vaping
Vaping is a booming market and grown rapidly in NZ.
I think "Smoke Free 2025" will be a little bit of an anticlimax if just as many people (or more) are vaping
Although there can be tobacco and nicotine free vape 'juice' appears to be completely unregulated so could cause some harm
Smoking is still like 7% of the population on average and I believe this legislation was more targetted at Maori populations. Don't know anything about the Maori population but apparently smoking is around 20% so is more of an issue.
the vapes are unregulated but so is u.s. tobbaco now. they gave them freedom to do whatever they want a few years back. they could be adding crack to it and theyre safe legally.
also beware vapes they use oils which the lungs cant remove, same as tar. (although after 25years of smoking my lungs scanned clear, i put that down to cycling often and hard (until i cant breath and have to throw up with the lactic acid) i cant think of anything else that would have kept my lungs clean. they should be ruined by now.
@@dylaanowen smoking for Maori is 28% and total population is 11%
won't be smokefree anything, black market will pump tobacco into new Zealand. can't even stop meth.
Banning things almost always backfires
You don't ban cigarettes. Instead, you ask why people are smoking. Mostly it's because they're stressed all the time from working. So a stressful job is the problem. Why are there stressful jobs? Because humans are living unnatural lives, working extremely hard to maintain and build a complex, precarious civilization (a modern day Tower of Babel). So the organization of society around the task of building an advanced high-tech industrial civilization is obviously the root cause of people's smoking addictions. It's therefore pretty obvious what needs to be eliminated to eradicate this problem - modern-day civilization.
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If they are stressed find an healthy hobby bc u will get more stress trying to support ur hobbit like financial and health
Most people start as children at school.
Living unnatural lives. Pfft! Load of rubbish.
@@alfaomega6441 yes, because school is a stressful environment due to pressures to learn uninteresting subject matter and pass exams in order to become a competent servant of the techno-industrial system in the future.
I've been smoking for 20 years,I started in school,I wish I'd never started
You can quit, I smoked for ten years & since quitting my quality of life has improved. Don't stop trying to quit, you can do it.
I have started 20 years ago but never regretted 🤷♂️ I don’t want to quit but it’s possible if you do want, so many people did.
@@buzz5695 This is insane
@@denydeni144 What do get out of smoking / why do you persist? As a former smoker I now see no benefits from the habit: the satisfaction you get from nicotine is a crutch. The reason I smoked was to relax (or focus) but in reality the chemical addiction was a root for stress in the first place. Being able to control my thoughts & emotions I can now relax in numerous other ways that actually benefit my life.
The favour is alright but not worth the monetary & health costs, since quitting cigarettes now stink to me & would guess the psychology of addiction is what made it tolerable. The extra money in my pocket has afforded me 2 additional motorcycles in my collection & cherished memories traveling that would have been otherwise spent on ciggies.
I've lost 2 family members to lung cancer & it's vile; my uncle (2nd hand exposure from his ex-wife) was getting 2 liters of fluid drained from his lungs every week for months while on his death bed until he passed. 100% tobacco killed him- he would have been enjoying life today; skiing, drinking fine wine, going on walks with his dog & wife but that all was forfeit.
I thought I was going to die a smoker but after many failed attempts at quitting I'm now smoke free & don't regret it at all.
@@dombsky That’s completely your choice and you obviously wanted to quit which is also okay and all I can say is well done.
I personally never had any real desire to quit and came to conclusion that it would be pointless to force myself to quit.
Smoking doesn’t relax me and my concentration is not better. It’s only an enjoyable habit 🤷♂️ Luckily I have sources from countries where they are still affordable .
What frustrates me is forced trends; banning and demonizing people who smoke. I don’t deny that they can be harmful to some people and that they may cause certain diseases.
However, alcohol is also toxic for mental health and liver. It’s more dangerous then some street drugs. Yet, it is not demonized as smoking and people turn to alcoholics on a daily basis with destroyed lives.
All in all, when it comes to the world govs I don’t think that health is their priority concern.
People should be able to enjoy their lives as long as they don’t harm others and it should be our choice to determine what kind of action, substance or hobby suits us.
As a teen from the U.S., I can't remember the last time one of my friends smoked a cigarette. Although I now it's very popular in Europe and other countries (not sure about NZ). But in the U.S. most of us just vape or smoke weed.
A lot of EU countries forbid vaping thus young people keep smoking cigarettes. Interesting fact, the millennials smoke less then gen Z in higher developed EU countries. It's mostly gen Z women who are the average smoker there.
That’s the problem, they wont legalise weed here! Get me a green card!
In the UK its popular to smoke it with weed and then you get addicted that way. A lot people will smoke when they drink, if don't smoke often, then smoking tobacco gives a considerable high.
Considering that smoking weed is still an extremely big thing in the UK despite being illegal that just goes to show how useless banning this sort of stuff is.
@Alvin Ochola go home loser
Smoking is becoming far less common anyway through a combination of higher taxation and messaging. Banning is draconian and illiberal. I'm not a smoker but this is symptomatic of a tilt towards larger and more intrusive government. Nanny does not always know best....
@Alvin Ochola so is adultery and that is not currently criminalized in any democratic nation. There are many sins that are legal - take the log out of your own eye before you point out the speck in others.
I don't smoke and quite frankly the smell makes me sick, but I do worry about how strict Australia and New Zealand have become recently. What next will they outlaw ?
Sure, it sounds like a good idea. But smokers will just move to another addiction which could be worse.
“Im Australian and my daily allocation of internet is almost up.” Me from 2024
Alcohol next!
The bigger issue with this law is that it's a slippery slope and it opens a door where the government can deem it necessary to enforce a law under the guise of it being benefitial to society or the country, without consultation or opposition.
Exactly. Cant believe some dvmbcnt support it.
Isn’t almost every legislation a “slippery slope”. We are always trusting our society and it’s gvmt to pass laws that protect its citizens. This happens to possibly be a good one that will save lives and reduce addictions.
Yes, I can't fathom the absolute madness that would lead a government to pass a law that's remotely beneficial to society! (Sarcasm, by the way.) In all seriousness though, the slippery slope is a logical fallacy perpetuated by conservatives in order to villainise legislation that they oppose, and it's especially fallacious here given that enforcing a law under the guise of it being beneficial to society or the country is a door that was opened millennia ago when the idea of government was first instituted. _All_ laws in a society that claims to be free are passed under such a guise (whether or not the society is indeed free or the law beneficial), as it's the only justification for curtailing individual liberty in such a society. And whether that's done without consultation or opposition is up to the individual government and the systems that establish them.
In New Zealand, the select committee process indeed involves extensive consultation with the general public, often returning bills to parliament with changes based on public urgings, and the parliamentry process affords elected representatives the opportunity to oppose or even prevent a bill should they have the numbers, which in this case they very much don't. A government that restrains itself from passing popular and beneficial laws out of fear that a future government will use that as justification to pass popular and beneficial laws isn't actually a government, nor is it governing. And if the fear is that a future government will use the current law as justification to pass an unpopular and non-beneficial law, then the issue isn't with the current law, it's with the political system or cultural mindset that would allow such an unpopular and non-beneficial law to be passed in the first place (or second place, as it were).
'without consultation or opposition' - in a functioning democracy there will be consultation and opposition.
I can see what they're trying to do and I think it's fantastic but there will always be an illegal supply just like everywhere, over in the UK the prices have gone up to discourage smokers but everyone just gets them cheaper from shops that sell imported cigarettes under the counter and they're often a lot worse too
So should we authorize cocaine or ecstasy because people still get some under the counter?
If those people didn't start smocking legally, they would probably not be buying some fake cigarette in some weird shops...
It makes sense to progressively ban it. We ban tens of chemical every year that cause 100x less cancer than cigarette.
you missed the point. No one will want to smoke because they haven't started. smh
It will be interesting because unlike drugs cigarettes do not make you high or anything like that, they just have nicotine which is addictive, and I’m not sure if that is enough of a draw for a black market to arise. Will this include cigars? I think that would be where the black market happens.
@@tiloalo yes you should but that’s another topic
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It won’t be if they ban them, I’m not a criminal but I would be stockpiling imported cheaper cigs in NZ right now, will be worth a fortune soon
Absolutely moronic. Prohibition DOES NOT WORK, especially on addicts?! This is beyond stupid.
Stopping cigarettes when they fail to stop meth
Smoking today, fast food, alcohol tomorrow, then meat, chips, sweets, biscuits. Pop, chemical free water, Its tolatarianism in full swing.
Don't forget books. Burn books that we don't like or don't fit the state narrative. Where's the harm?!
This works: Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking (I read this book and promptly quit after 30 years smoking manically - also helps to have a specific reason why you're stopping in mind, such as vanity - e.g. don't want half my face cut off (let alone to die) but the writer gives you plenty of logic to choose from, anyway. Good luck y'all.
Thank you!
Nice
But even in your own book, they say that a big element of quitting smoking is the desire and acknowledgement of the negative effects of the action of smoking man, honestly, I don't want to argue the positivity of smoking and benefit of it because there aren't any besides than the Ecstasy of smoking but governments have no right to dictate that in a way this is some sort of prohibition and time to time it's proven that they simply don't work criminalizing is not the solution.
You have to remember (Inter)Nazis are collectively (and usually individually) insane by even vaguely Libertarian standards.. Leftists hey... Always shitting on people for 'The Greater Good'... If you know any, let them know you think they're disgusting insults to humanity.. Bleeding hearts deserve all the blood drained from their feeble, sickly, (Inter)Nazi Neo World Order-controlled bodies... Smokers pay more tax and die before collecting a state pension more often than not. Their choice. Addiction is no excuse.. LEGALISE ALL NARCOTICS.
I did hypnosis for a week on CZcams, and have fully quit 2 years now
I'm 45 and have never tried it,I hate it with a passion.
However rather than demonising people why not help them?
I both agree, but I think it is a kind of help. But you have a point. But I think normalisation is a strong tool! If smoking is normalised and okay People Will so it, if it is considered an antisocial behaviour less People Will do it.
I remember being told when I was younger that in order to not be distracted by my phone when studying, I was to store it somewhere fairly inaccessible and awkward to stop the temptation. It worked.
Good advise
What next banning alcohol that causes as much harm
for piece sake, if a person wants to smoke let them,
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@@chllauk what does that has to do whit the subject
Imagine being born in 2007 😂
Anybody born in 2007 will suddenly have a lot of new friends.
@@markgreen4612 but it changes every year right. 15 cant smoke 16,17,18,19,20,21 and so on and in years to come imagine asking a 69 year old to go buy cigs for you lol
One of my friends was born in 1997, when he turned 16 he could buy cigarettes, drink alcohol and go out... 2 months later it was forbidden and he had to wait 22 months before he could legally do it again because they rose the age 2 years :P
@@jameshartley95 Well, if you've been asking older friends to get cigs your whole life it wouldn't seem strange for the 68 year old person to be asking their 69 year old buddy to pick up an extra pack for them. What will seem strange is for store clerks to be asking 68 year olds for ID.
@@markgreen4612 LMAO - yeah we have to get through the strange period; it's like the guy said - if tobacco was put on the market today for the first time, it would be shot down.
The same time, the government of NZ wants to introduce legalised recreational Cannabis smoking. Understand how sincere the politicians are at helping people.
That bill got voted out last election, so no
They took it to a referendum and the people voted no. The cannabis referendum was simply a requirement by the Green Party to form a coalition government in 2017.
Oh wow that is awesome. I just commented this before saying that they would need to have more relaxed rules on cannabis use, and here we are. It makes total sense. Cannabis is obviously less harmful to you and can obviously help in many ways, which means it should be a good alternative for some people who are suffering from the stress of quitting smoking tobacco but don’t want to go over to vaping. Plus you know, it’s more fun, less addictive in many ways and as far as we can tell it’s not harmful. Well, to any extensive degree anyway.
Edit, just read the rest of peoples comments. It is a shame it got voted down. Hope it does pass in the near future.
Good
@@Snowy265 Certain politicians will try again.
I don't smoke and never will, but prohibition doesn't work and it's people's choice.
Could make the same argument for any law and therefor if we had none it would be chaos. Prohibition doesn't work eh? how about Singapore's ban on chewing gum... Healthcare is relatively covered by the tax payer here , therefor yes we need bans like this.
@@webapple1 Ok Stalin.
@@AlanWattResistance ok. hitler.
@@webapple1 Nah mate, hitler banned books.
Ban cupcakes, McDonald’s, all soft drinks as well.
Fri chicken is the worst
Sure, go for it.
Communist?
You obviously haven't read or haven't understood my comment for this video.
Ban fat chicks.
What a lot of people don’t understand is this is the beginnings of authoritarian state, and yes smoking is a bad habit but people have chose to smoke for millennias. It should be an individual choice in designated areas, where will Alcohol fall? Much worse
Exactly. Soon they'll tell us you won't be allowed to drink alcohol anymore and then they'll tell us that we can't eat fatty or "unhealthy" food (whatever that means) and before you know it you'll be told where you can or can't go.
You should be able to opt-out of the law but if you do you also opt-out of getting state-paid medical care related to smoking :)
We don't want to pay for your bad habits anymore!
@@BenWillock some insurance wont cover smoker. So what you said it has already done.
Agree, but which one creates more deaths? Or should I say makes the rich richer.
Individual choice for children???
Lol, pretty sure alcohol belongs in the past too. What a horrid argument he's trying to make.
Humans have been using alcohol for thousands of years - tobacco is very recent comparatively. Also it's very possible to have a social drink or two without craving one every minute of the day, unlike tobacco. (I'm an ex-smoker and casual drinker - smoking was almost irresistible once I'd started but I can take or leave alcohol.)
@@Shaun.Stephens Not everyone is the same tho with nicotine/tobacco or alcohol. I smoke but not much and don't crave it every minute
The young people use the vape products instead.
Very thoughtful sire
Marihuana is the solution
Idiots
Not the point.
@@yomommashaus No, but it is the response to ‘the point’. Another thought: if there is a will, there is a way.
We should all remember that the world has tried this approach with other drugs for the last 50 years and exacerbated many issues which are far worse
The common aproach was prhibition. That´s not what they are doing. They are phasing it out. Also its an island which makes it much simpler to control illegal trade.
What issue exactly? New drugs are causing issues, but still it's not a reason to authorize them all.
I don't think that many people would crave cigarette as it doesn't really bring anything.
Not the same
@@bogeyonanostrilhair9568 I'm a smoker, and that for 17 years
@@bogeyonanostrilhair9568 Scotland ain’t a island, but the Great Britain island is.
Getting the fun taken away, no alcohol, no sugar, no drugs, eventually no adults will get that experience of a petrol engine smell, no leather jackets, no motorbikes, no gendering, reduce meats, longer working hours, no comedy, unless it's pc, no good blocks of leave, expensive travel fees.
Smoking is literally bad for you... It doesn't even compare to the things on your list. Only idiots smoke 🤣
Sharia for New Zealand next.
@@theanimehub2180 Only idiots drink alcohol.
@@AlanWattResistance I don't drink either so yes. 🤣🤣 You thought you were gonna use that against me? Pathetic
@@theanimehub2180 So is marijuana, the famous gateway drug, however there's a trend to legalize that one.
It does seem a bit two-faced for lawmakers to ban one and champion the other, given the latter one was historically seen as the worse one.
I used to smoke a pack a day but I quit years ago. and I can only support this if you aren’t thrown in prison for possessing tobacco as I went to prison for years for a small amount of drugs and it has had a very damaging impact on my life
never mind ...Gods abundant grace upon you
I smoke two cigs a week when I ride my motorcycle on sundays. Don't see the need for the government to be my babysitter. If I have enough control to not smoke I'm pretty sure everyone can. If not it's a you problem go ask the government for health care, resources to fight addiction not a ban on cigarettes. It's like banning burgers because some idiots end up becoming 400 pound whales
@@ifigetbannedagainyoutubeis2018 you can't stop selling cigarettes in the United Kingdom by 2030 or else I will block you from broadcast on CZcams page
Be carful what you wish for drinking next !!!!!!
It's very easy to grow tobacco, and marijuana
if everyone had to grow their own tobacco (buying being illegal), not sure how many would still be smoking
@@danmilas people have been smoking tobacco and ganja for thousands of years.,chewing coco blanco leafs and quat for thousands of years. eating magic mushrooms and mescal for thousands of years. Smoking opium to kill the pain for thousands of years. drinking alcohol for thousands of years. But in moderation.
Prohibition never works: but I guess they never went through that immense debacle. 🚬🌬
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If people want to destroy their own health then it's up to them. Just make them pay for any disease consequences.
Agreed. They already do pay. With their National INSURANCE payments, as well as taxes.
You say that as if addiction is easy to overcome
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There's nothing stopping a smoker from getting private medical insurance.
@@numbanddumb9512 I'm addicted to food.
I am a non-smoker and I encourage smokers to think about the health risks of smoking. Not just for themselves but those around them...However, this is not the way.
@Harry Mays No its not...You don't change behavior under threat of arrest. We learned that lesson during prohibition. You do so by raising your children to not pick up the habit. The culture will make the necessary changes over time. Acting like a despot does not.
There’s not a smoker on earth who’s unaware of the health risks. But they do it anyway, I don’t know why that sticks in your grill so much.
Now don't get me wrong, I strongly discourage smoking tobacco, but adults 18 and up should be able to buy it with ID if they choose. It might jack up your insurance premiums just FYI.
Why? What's the point of cigarettes? I cannot buy any kind of acid either...
@@tiloalo The point is to smoke them. Why can't you buy acid?
@@usul573 because some are dangerous and you need to be authorised to by them. Same for some fertilizer.
@@tiloalo dangerous to others yes, but cigarettes if smoked in an outdoor area are only harmful to the user
@@krypto8996 no, those were forbidden mostly because the one using it got some disease after being exposed to it for extended period (just like tobacco).
This is a gross violation of human rights, state cannot dictate your choice
I am not a smoker but smokers should be allowed to smoke if they like.
agreed
Agreed it's got damn all to do with any government .
If this is about peoples well being and health why are they leaving booze still able to be bought .. drink driving , accidents at work , assaults under the influence, anti social behaviour .. you could go on and on .. strange you know I've never heard of anyone beating his wife up under the influence of a cigarette !!
Let's be honest there are ulterior motives at play. Isn't it a coincidence that there is a much higher proportion of smokers among the Maori population. This could be a move to garner Maori support and grab Maori votes in the next election. As the law doesn't affect current smokers.
I'm not a smoker but i think this law will backfire. Percentage of smokers have been steadly declined in NZ. However, by banning it NZ will inevitably create a black market, and demand will increase exactly because of the ban. They should keep the old strategy since smoker numbers is still declining, but by banning they will create a bigger problem in my opinion. And then, any savings they think they will get from health services, they will spend more in the new drug war against tobacco.
You’re probably right Micael
Quitting smoking is easy. I do it every year.
I see more people vaping rather than buy cigarettes
I support this move with every damaged cell of my lungs.
and damaged brain cells!
Yay we want mote kids to buy illegal cigarettes and thwn start going to harder druga that'll be awesome
They’ll get cigarettes from the black market. Nothing new. 😂
Where there is demand, there will be supply.
until you limit supply that is either that or demand
@@zeffy._440 I ain't seen anything that limited yet bud, maybe i can't get a nuke...
This is only going to increase the tobacco black market.
And marihuana
And????? Wow government of NZ dont want to pocket from ill health of their population in taxes raised from selling cigarettes, how horrible.
@@babajaga158 Most smokers are healthy. And you just justified the banning of alcohol because a few people abuse it.
@@AlanWattResistance who said anything about alcohol??? Smokers are healthy lol did you fell on your head as a child???
@@babajaga158 Smoking reduces stress. The only people who get complications from smoking are those who abuse it by smoking a pack a day. Some people only smoke occassionally, like some people only drink occassionally. You cannot punish everybody for the idiocy of a minority.
That is all possible in any government if tobacco companies can't afford and/or stop lobbying to lawmakers.
I quit back in 2019.. I lived in Doha Qatar where cigarettes were like $3-4nzd. While the Same pack (Dunhill for example) is like $35nzd in nz atm
I'm absolutely no fan of smoking however my concern is where does this stop? What's next on the agenda? People should be able to make their own informed decisions.
Relax Jay you will still be able to get bevvied every Friday and Saturday
Marijuana, alcohol, shrooms, you name it.
"How to create a Black Market" written by the Government of New Zealand.
@Te Rex Yep. You can be damn sure if theres a new market, they're taxing it. Illegal or not.
Idk, New Zeland population appears to be too good for black markets, but ofc there is always some people
no new smokers = no demand = no black market. How many times do I have to explain this to you guys!
@@yomommashaus Bruv do you really reckon banning people born after 2008 is going to stop those people wanting to smoke ciggys, be fair Gen Z smokes far less than older generations anyway, so they could have just allowed the natural decline in smokers happen, but they have to do this attempt at glory grabbing toward an already declining habit, but what they're saying about social engineering because Maori people smoke more is just pure patronising mate, as if the native populace needs a pat on the head with "Oh don't worry we know you need a bit of help because you need a guiding hand on how to live your life"
At best it's patronising toward peoples autonomy over their own bodies, no one wants this black market with dodge Chinese ciggys with saw dust and poison in it, it's the same as cut drugs mate.
@@yomommashaus when people want to smoke a tobacco product they will get their hands on it. Future generations will also have people who will want to smoke.
Wonder what the plan is to replace the NZ$1.8 billion per year generated from taxing tobacco
Ah yes...prohibition...as if that worked so well in the past...
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This is by far the boldest move an government has made. From an ex smoker i hope more governments follow their lead.
I take my hat off to Jacunda Ardern. In the history of cigarettes no one has come up with an workable plan. This one might actually work.. current smokers not affected but no more new smokers. Really hats off to the person who thought up this brilliant idea
Americans will call this anti democracy 🤣🤣.
Good on you NZ for having some balls to stand up to big tobacco and speak for these kids
Sadly it has nothing to do with if someone smokes or not, it's a power trip.
That's because you choose to stop.. Your a biased tolatarian bigot.
@@tom_2ndlife Yeah, let's just remove the choice of the next generation to smoke or not. Tyrannise me harder daddy!
I shall give up smoking, wear 15 masks, have 87 jabs a year, stay at home forever and live to 138 👍🏼🙏🏼
Black market! pretty hard to smuggle cigarettes to an isolated island in the middle of nowhere
It’s a huge experiment. There’s already a black market in NZ, and it will be interesting to see if people will support it. Vaping and quitting might be more attractive.
They just voted fairly recently to allow recreational marijuana smoking. So soon they all going to be dope smokers but tobacco is prohibited.
Another Behavioural psychologist telling us what's best for us. These people won't stop until we're all eating black bread and drinking water, with no risks or pleasures in life.
There is footage of Ardern having the same parts as Michelle worth searching for
Just get people born before 2008 to buy them for you.
Im no fan of smoking, but I know government overreach when I see it.
Agreed
There's a bit of a difference between alcohol and cigarettes sure they both harm the user but, there is only one that can harm the health of others with producing harmful second hand smoke.
@@JW-ef1jh Drink driving.
Omg, as a smoker this is amaziiiing.
I’ve started smoking at14, many people sold me the cigarettes.
I wish this was already on everywhere since years.
Well done Nee Zeland 👍
is it legal to smoke as a 14 year old in your country?
I'm addicted to donuts and sugar. Im now obese. Hopefully New Zealand bans donuts for those born in 2008. 😂
Listens to this....drops joint
well then ban alcohol too, you can harm yourself or others if you drive under influence, it can be deadly.
History has shown prohibition didn’t work. Next they’ll be fighting against illegal market of cigarette. Fun chasing your own tail.
NZ is already enforcing extremely harsh import restrictions on biomatter. Getting tobacco (biomatter) past customs in any meaningful quantity wont be easy. And its not a nicotine ban. People who just want a nicotine fix will have cheaper legal options.
If the government didn't ban it y'all say it's enabling it's citizens of disgusting activities
The family Bible my grandmother had included a page inside the front cover decorated with a pledge she signed when she joined The Women's Temperance Union, when prohibition against drinking alcohol was the law of the land in America. A noble cause, yet, doomed to failure. Best wishes, New Zealand, on your noble experiment.
They legalize the worse drugs and ban the safe ones. Another experiment.
buybull only has use is perforated and in 3 ply.
Oh bable bashing Yank, comparing cigarettes to alcohol of course.
Alcohol was around before your dumb book was even written. Can't believe these lunatics
So, who is going to pay for the reduced tax revenue the govt gets from the tax on tobacco, everyone will be paying 4% more income tax to pay for the shortfall, they dont mention that do they.....
Soon they will tell you how much paper you need to clean your button 😂
Totally agree with this boys comments, I as a rather heavy smoker like this, change it out and stop the next generation in a natural manner. But sure the Black Market is now going to become similar to cocaine smuggling
Very well done! Smoking is a disgusting, harmful habit and it’s about Time one country lead the Way getting rid of it
just like countries have gotten rid of drugs. personally I think alcohol should go first, literal neurotoxin.
Yes, I am so proud of my father's homeland! First to get womens Rights too! ✊
Let’s ban alcohol next!
How about banning alcohol, gambling and sugar as well if they think it will benefit the society...