The SECRET Anamorphic they WON'T discuss: Lensworks Legacy
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Okay, this is one of the coolest but simultaneously most bizarre things I saw at Cinegear 2024: the Lenswork Legacy anamorphic set. They had this front and center on their very public display, but wouldn't say anything officially on camera about it. So here I am, part of the hype machine, lapping it all up. But as it is a high-resolution rotating astigmatizer design, I'm happy to do so. This looks very interesting.
I don’t know about a discussion, but a proper video essay on sharpness and resolution and how many different things it can mean, with examples, is sorely needed
I completely agree with you.
Definitely want to learn more about this!
i'm surprised that a Chinese manufacturer hasn't grabbed that patent into and made a set of anamorphic lenses of this time. they know there's a big demand or vintage lens recipes. just look at light lens lab, astrhori and thypoch re-making old Leica lenses.
I mean vazen sort of did by going with the Todd ao method for the 28mm and full frame lens
Thanks for the shout out!! and agree these lenses are one of the most exciting lenses shown at Cinegear. 5:34
Markus, is that you? I saw you poking around at Lensworks and just didn’t recognize you in the moment or else I would have said hello. Cineflares.com is a wonderful resource! Thank you for making it.
Yep. Thank you. Always happy to hear people appreciate interesting lenses and understand their value as a storytelling tool. We are expanding the features on the platform to compare and learn more about specific lens attributes. Lots of lenses in the post pipeline. We will release more lenses soon. Love your channel.
@@markusforderer_asc even if you didn't add a single lens or feature ever again, Cineflares.com would STILL be an invaluable tool and worth the price of admission. There's simply nothing else like it.
Someone asked the Atlas guys and apparently they said that rotating astigmatizer designs are really cool but prohibitively expensive
I have a hard time believing that the design can’t be replicated economically, lo these 56 YEARS after the introduction of the Panavision C-series!
That’s me. I asked their chief designer directly, he said the accuracy required is on par with high end watchmaking, and each lens requires in-depth tuning/setup.
@@ForestCinema I believe the quote. I just have a hard time believing that's the final answer. There has GOT to be a way to make this work at prices lower than "so expensive that we will never sell a single lens to anyone on planet Earth." Manufacturing has come SO far in the last 60 years, in terms of our ability to make precision equipment at scale. For crying out loud, Xelmus can make rotating astigmatizers in the midst of active war! I guarantee that if enough people understood what they wanted (i.e. not just "anamorphic" but THIS KIND of anamorphic), and made it known, the manufacturing side would respond. Someone would find a way to do it. It's just that there isn't YET market pressure. Only a few fringe and very dedicated people, but fortunately that fringe is growing larger.
@@nick_salazar The astigmatizer element has to be focussed nonlinearly in conjunction with the spherical elements. If you want only one focus ring on the lens it's a cam nightmare inside. It really isn't feasible to built one that you can buy unless you're paying a lot for it.
@@nick_salazar It's a lens conspiracy! Manufacturers create a false price floor and carefully control to maximize profits versus releasing them less expensively. Sadly, you have to pay to play.
You missed Caldwell Chameleon which are counter-rotating 1.79x - a cleaner version of the Apollos with slightly less squeeze. Thanks for sharing this!
Oli, thank you so much! A quick search indicates there isn't much public footage, but what I did see looked very interesting.
Hey, Nick! It was great when my fiancée and I briefly ran into you and your wife at the Cooke booth on Saturday.
It’s great to see that you’re super enthusiastic and curious about our art. Keep up the awesome content, Brother!
Thank you so much! It was great meeting you too, and I think you and your lovely C70 setup are going to appear in some upcoming B-roll of mine :-)
Oh sweet!! The flares on the 35-105 are “crazy”….probably because I have an ICE IR/ND on it that I got for dirt-cheap. Haha.
One thing I’ve wondered is what if you need a focus setting between the extremes? How do you even calculate the desqueeze of that?
Hey Nick, it was so great to meet you at NAB this year in Las Vegas. Thanks for posting this video. Your content is amazing. Please keep it coming. By the way, the interview that we shot with you at NAB was posted to CineD's CZcams page as a short. If you want to go hunt it down and check it out. Thanks again.
Great meeting you too! Thanks so much for the kind words. I'm at risk of being a random blowhard just ranting senselessly from his basement. But as long as there are kind people like you who want to hear my hot takes, I'll keep pushing them out. Thanks again!
the Panavision C series lenses are 'thee' ultimate anamorphic lenses.. nothing compares.. so if companies can clone the design and sell it at consumer prices with PL mounts,.... that's a huge win for everyone.. what a dream scenario.., id be so happy
Nick can we get a video on lens sharpness vs resolution as described at 4:12 ? I have been obsessing over things like resolution, image circle, sensor sizes, light transmission and other technical things that matter more than most people think.
The more i understand these concepts and themes the more i crave discussion on them.
If I had a large enough lens collection, I would! Unfortunately most lenses I demo on this channel aren’t mine to keep. But maybe one day I can do that. In the mean time, definitely use tools like the CVP lens coverage tool, comparisons like the ShareGrid “ultimate lens comparison” video series, etc. I use those things frequently and make photoshop docs with screenshots of lenses I want to look at, for quick comparisons.
Is this a lens that normal people can buy or a lens like Panavision you can only rent?
It's not that simple. Counterastigmatisers are difficult to use mechanically. It uses expensive to manufacture, tiny, precise parts. Normal lenses have inexpensive, simple helicoids. The glass itself must also have excellent optics because it has a significant influence on flares and image characteristics.
I get that. But we have precision manufacturing at consumer prices everywhere. Just look at semiconductors for crying out loud! Nothing more complicated than that, yet we’ve found a way to churn them out for next to nothing. If there’s a will, there’s a way.
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