Early Hungarian History
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0:40 Here I show the old Hungarian alphabet which was derived from the old Turkic alphabet. The Hungarians most likely adopted this alphabet from the Khazars.
0:48 I used the Hungarian Turul to symbolize the Hungarians in this video.
0:58 The Kingdom of Doclea technically never fully incorporated its areas so Bosnia, Zahumlje and Rascia principalities acted as semi autonomous areas, however since this would be too hard to draw I just put them under the Kingdom of Doclea which they technically where under.
0:58 The Kieven Rus was technically divided in to three parts during this time but it was still jointly ruled as a single kingdom by the Yaroslavichi triumvirate.
3:14 There are no sources in existence that can tell us the exact (there are some that can tell us roughly) locations of these tribes. We only know they existed in that area around this time, so I try my best in the video to put them where it would make the most sense but remember this may be wrong.
3:50 It is unknown when exactly the Pechenegs crossed the Khazar Khaganate to settle on its western border. However we do know that it happened due to the Khazar joined attack on the Pechenegs by the Ouzes which forced the Pechenegs to march across the Khazar lands somewhere between 830 to 850 to get away from the Ouzes.
4:58 It was more of a gradient to be exact.
5:27 The first certain European written records. There are some very brief mentions of Hungarians in Arabic writings from 810.
6:00 Annales Bertiniani
6:36 Plus to get to Francia the Hungarians had to cross Moravian controlled territory which wouldn't be possible if they didn't get an approval from the Moravians.
7:26 Most sources about this event point to the small Hungarian raid on Frankish Pannonia and wrongly conclude that the Hungarian alliance with the Franks ended and they fought along side the Moravians in 894 but as we see later the Hungarian alliance with the Franks didn't end until Arnulf's death. Meaning this raid was either made up or more likely was conducted accidentally by a not so loyal Hungarian tribe while the Hungarians raided the Moravian lands.
7:12 It is unclear how Svetopluk died but in the Annales Fuldenses the writer implies he had a "most unlucky death" in some kind of a battle.
7:22 I put Predslav in a question mark because it is uncertain whether he really existed but the other two sons are very much known and recorded in Frankish sources.
8:54 Obviously this source is over-exaggerating a bit as some of the Hungarians already started to migrate across the Carpathians in 895 hence not "all" woman and children where killed in the Pecheneg attacks.
9:34 He wasn't trying to subdue the area that was a mistake on my part mixing up dates of HRE conquest of northern Italy. Arnulf was just using the Magyars to fight against the current Italian king Berengar.
10:23 Moravians also became vassals of the Franks for a brief 2 year period during this time.
10:23 We don't know when exactly we just know it was between the years of 901 and 907.
10:26 Or in 905, it is unclear in the sources.
12:12 It is still debated which one was which but I went with the more accepted answer among the Historians.
12:19 To be honest he was a child so even though in the sources it claims it was his idea it most likely was cooked up by his nobles/regency council.
12:58 He did not participate in the battle.
14:50 It is speculated that the Franks had around 60K troops and the Hungarians around 20K troops but these are only speculations based on numbers cited in other Frankish and Hungarian wars/battles.
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@@blackpill7856👍🏻
- Aren't you a nomad?
- Yep.
- And this is your horse.
- Yep.
- You have came from Asia and you shooting arrows backwards.
- That makes sense to me.
- Then you are a Hun.
- I am a Magyar.
😃 finally someone who is a real
MAGYAR. I refuse to be called Hungarian. I am not a Hun, I am a Magyar.
bruh i was going to comment this
Zoltan meaning Sultan !!
The Khazans: do we look like Huns to you?
Huj, Huj, Hajrá!
Franks: We killed Kurszán the Hungarians are going to fall
Árpád: I'm going to do to what's called a pro gamer move
You truly are a Hungarian Memer
Szép :D
Franks: Kurszán(or Kucsáj) is dead the Hungarians are done
Árpád: Hold my beer!
@@jozsefvadon3086 The closest languages to Hungarian are the languages of Khanty and Mansi peoples from Siberia, so the people from the Carpathian Basin surely couldn't have spoken 90% Hungarian.
czcams.com/video/6uUttx11xDs/video.html
Your claim that the people of the Pannonian/Carpathian Basin were descendants of neolithic farmers can only partially be true. As genetic research shows, people from Hungary today show about the same amount of genetic ancestry of proto-Indoeuropeans and neolithic farmers. If you have sources speaking on greater neolithic farmer ancestry in ancient Pannonia, I would be happy to look into it.
drive.google.com/file/d/0B016wEaS0EWqMGxGSTBTc3VxVVU/view
www.amphilsoc.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/attachments/Reich.pdf
Knowing that Indoeuropeans have conquered and killed or assimilated most of peoples of Europe into their culture and that Hungarians are surrounded and most genetically similar to Slavic (Indoeuropean) speaking peoples that surround them, they are their closests relatives. The medieval ruling class had kept the language of the old Magyars, which was obviously favoured by the Hungarian state to this day. All in all, an average Hungarian is genetically closely related to a Croat or a Slovak.
Dominik Pešut I really would hate to say this my friend but you are mistaken by a landslide as to your statement claiming that the Hungarians or Magyars are pretty much the same as Slovaks and or Croatians . Basically what you’re stating is that they are nothing but Slavic both northern better yet western Slavic because Slovaks are basically just that like their colleagues the Czechs, and Poles seeing is that they border each other then wildly also Croatian which is southern Slav. Now to a very small degree it might make a little sense because of when Hungary was a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and both Slovaks and Croatians might have done a bit of intermixing with some tiny percentage of Hungarians but then that would have to presume that since Serbia , Czechs, Austrians and even some of Romanians included in that empire also! But in all honesty I sense That you are just saying this as if you had complete documentation from factual historical data when you don’t! Let’s be truthful your basis is opinion/shooting in the dark but on the very surface of “bullshit” oriented rather then documentation therefore completely biased if not borderline fraudulent mislabeling to mislead out of some spite you may have against Hungarians maybe because you might just not be one of them but rather a Romanian feller who obviously would have many reasons to make such biased uneducated statements sir ! I ‘m an American by the way i also majored and hold a bachelor degree in European history !
Actually the Hungarians were not the last nomadic people came to the basin. In the 13. Century Cuman and Jazig people came to the Kingdom of Hungary, running away from Mongols. The Cumans and Jazig people melted to the Hungarians among the centuries.
I meant the last ones to be politically established like the Huns, Avars, etc.
@@MLaserHistory Yeah, you're right.
Eventually the entire Eastern part (of the Tisza river) becomes a Jasz (Jazig) and Kun (Cuman) settlement. So if anyone is browsing on Google Maps, you see "Jasz" and "Kun" quite often incorporated into town and village names of Eastern Hungary. Many people will also claim to be Jasz or Kun origin ethnically and they have their traditions and customs somewhat different than the other parts of the country. If you see Szász, that's Hungarianized version of the Saxons. There are names like that pop up in town names (Szaszhalombatta) and peoples' last names.
Eventually the Pechenegs (Besenyok) were also ended up loosing their upper hands later in the history and their last remaining tribes seeked refugee in Hungary , so there is that town name Besenyszög - in Hungary.
@@Neanderthal75 Just some parts of East-Hungary lived by jazig people and cumans. Mostly between the Danube and the Tisza. The other parts still lived by Hungarians. The genetical resoults shows that, these regions where cumnas live, the asian/eastern genes are higher, but in the other regions of Est-Hungary its way lower, it shows where the cuman people live and its just some regions.
@@Neanderthal75 There is no such place as Szászhalombatta. The city's name is Százhalombatta, which is often confused because of the similar pronounciation. The name refers to the 100+ tomb hills that were built there in the bronze age.
Egeszegedre from a Horvat!
Egészségedre brat!
Hrvoje?
@@jacknicholson5561 Was intended to be a play on words, nevermind...
Fully hungarian version: Egészségedrw horvátországból, good luck for figuring out how to say this!
@@gergelylaszlo5463 No problem!
The most important question, when did they invent tokai wine?
Fun fact the Hungarian wine making today is a combination of the Roman wine making that existed in the region since the Romans and the Magyar wine making they brought with them when they settled the area. The Magyars most likely learned wine making from the turks while in the plains of eastern Europe.
As far as I know, Tokaj wine was first made by a man called "Szepsi Laczkó Máté" at 1630 in the village of Erdőbénye.
@@lincselo could be, I was just talking about the over all way of how the Magyars acquired the knowledge of actually making wine.
@@MLaserHistory I was in Moldava nad Bodvu / Szepsi recently, and they are very proud of that guy, who was born there.
@Tarzan Makeing Tokaji wine has strict rules. They made wine from aszú grapes first during the reign of Matthias, but Szepsi Laczkó Máté was the first, who made it with the strict rules known today.
That was probably the most objective video I've ever seen on pre-christian hungarian history.
@@marinbleidner9511 because we don't have any contemporary source, which mentions a single Vlach in Transylvania before 1211. The second Bulgarian Empire was a vlacho-bulgar state, is't true, but that Bulgaria, wich was involved in the Hungarian conquest, that was the first Bulgarian Empire, and that wasn't vlacho-bulgar. And about the székelys, they weren't mercenaries. We don't know exactly their origin, but possibly they were a group of anthropologically more turanid magyars, and they migrated to the southeastern part of Transylvania in the 7th or 8th century. What we know exactly, is that they were already in that region in 895, and they spoke hungarian.
@@marinbleidner9511 Székelys were originally a differnt tribe, who joined the magyars, and started to use their language. This is prooven by the fact that in the magyar confederation they were treated as a joined force, and they were antrophologically different to magyars.
Vlach are not included, becouse we have no sources on them. Simple as that. But below another comment the maker clarified this too.
@@miklosnagy6325 Is this a comment that proves that the Hungarians were first in Transilvania or something like that ?
@@davidbence485 what was the original Szekelyi's language? Vlachs were colonized Dacians
@@ghoststefan4321 what do you mean "the first"? first humans in the history? :) So, who was living there before? Dinosauruses? According to hungaro-nacionalists, 1st were dinosauruses, after 2, magyarsz (because huns were not magyars but volga-turks) 3, after was jesus and Vlachs or Slavs didn't existed at all. Correct main Fuhrer?
Love to all hungarian brothers from croatia
Hope we join you in V4 soon
Wait for real can you tell when exactly?
@@danieltsiprun8080 well it could be never or tomorrow we dont know yet
Croatia slovenia and i think austria said they want to join
@@emelgiefro join what?
@@dogukan127 The Visegrád Group, Visegrád Four, or V4, is a cultural and political alliance of four Central European states - the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, that are members of the European Union (EU) and NATO - for the purposes of advancing military, cultural, economic and energy cooperation with one another along with furthering their integration in the EU. (Wikipedia)
If Croatia joins then we will cut Europe in half :D
@@kisslaura what exactly do they do in practice seperate from EU?
The owner of this channel is Slovakian! There you go!! I knew it from the beginning, that there is a great chance for Slovak-Hungarian friendship!! We need reasonable people instead of irredentist Hungarians and ultra-nationalist Slovaks! These nations spent 1000 years in one territory. I bound to say, let's continue living as separate countries but HAND IN HAND!
Best wishes from Budapest!
Yes I agree. I am so sick of seeing the people of Hungary and Slovakia fight when we were cooperating and sharing the carpathian basin for over 1000 years. Let there be peace and cooperation between our 2 countries and the rest of V4.
@@m.p.6573 Amen! From Szeged !
Amen from Nagyvárad (Oradea)
very true. We shall cooperate and build bigger friendships, from Eastern Slovakia.
I agree ! Long live the V4 ! Greetings from Slovakia.
My interest in Hungary started with the language, being it so different from others. Now here I am learning more and more about the Magyars. Thank you and well done 👌😊
@@balazsnagy3912 Greetings from Colombia 😌
Gyémánt az törhetetlen
@@kikizyyy I am gonna end this man's whole carrier
A gyémánt nem törhetetlen, kagylós törési mintával törik. Valóban nagyon kemény, de nem elpusztíthatatlan
Learn Japanese too
The grammar is very similar
If you have affinity for Hungarian you will also love Japanese
Me too)))
hello from estonia the cousins of the magyars
Hi from Hungary... that cat is scarry.
Hey from Hungary!
You Estonians make great anime.
Say hello to Priit Pärn if you see him!
Kristóf Petes Very-very distant linguistic relations from thousands of years before, but barely any genetic relation, to be exact. :)
@@fady_abdulnour Same with the Finnish people. Best neighbors are brotherly neighbors :)
I love Hungary. From Greece!
Beautiful country, beautiful Anthem, beautiful language, interesting history! Greetings from Greece!
I love Greece and greek people. Kalimera!
The hungarian horse archers were the "air strikes" at those times...
Why - did their horses have wings?
@@brianhammer5107 They were the best known archers in the world at that time.
@haiku2222 Eurasian composite bows date back to 300 B.C. - they are an old story by the time the Magyars arrived. They have their advantages, just as the English long-bow has its points.
Love from Poland Hungarian brothers and sisters ❤💪
Love to Hungary from Albania
Përshëndetje nga Hungaria, mik! (Unë vetëm filluar me gjuhën shqipe :P )
Love right back 2 u our balkan friend
@@valsaat9032 you said that very good
Why albanians like Hungary?
@armalite E isn't too common in Hungary, it is less than 10%. Interesting.
I'm simple Pole. When I see Hungary- I click.
Mateusz Drzazga u r a horty adept?
Hi there! I am Hungarian and thanks for the video.I am happy that it is based on reliable sources and free of nationalist bullshit. I wish a common Slovakian-Romanian-Hungarian history book was written by unbiased experts from all countries, but unfortunately the big number of historians in all countries are biased as well, and use history to glorify their nation.And often politicians tell what to study in schools.
Ria, Ria, Hungaria. Greets from Poland.
Loooooooong live Romania!!!
Love and Respect to Hungary from your Bulgarian brothers
@haiku2222 dang, 2 eurasian horse nomad tribes woud be terrifying
moeharvard, Greeting, you have a large family.
I know, the Russians also called you братишки.
2 Mongol nations
I love all the Central and Eastern European brotherly love in this comment section. Am I still on CZcams?
Much love from Scotland!
@Aleks Kevyn Nah, we all hate the English. Celts unite. :P
@@FunkBallGX No, we all hate the French!
🇭🇺💖🏴
@@yeet877 Ah ah, the French and Scottish Peoples are the most ancient allies: (Auld Alliance) from the 12 century and nothing is gonna change that.
Visiting Budapest right now. Good Job, Hungarians for retaining your land and culture, persevering throughout centuries and for building such a beautiful city. 🇺🇦🇨🇿 from a Ukrainian who lives in Czechia.
Treaty of Versailles: hmmm
Treaty of Versailles:
Treaty of Versailles: I'm gonna end this whole monarchy's carrier
Thank you!
@@tiborvarga5391 It's Trianon btw, not Versailles.
@@tiborvarga5391 better fix your knowledge of Hungarian history.
@@ems4884 Trianon was the castle where they signed the treaty, but all in all it happened all near Versailles. That's why they call these treaties "Treaty of Versailles"
@mrsarcasmbn9855
Fun fact: In Turkey we call them Macar
you are correct, huns were Volga river Turk nation, like Pecenegs or Avars. The romanians called this land "Hun-land", and for this reason started calling Magyars "hun-garians", because the land was related to Huns, who left the panonia 100 years before the first magyars came. Correct name for the Country and the Nation in English would be "Magyarland, or Magyar republik", just like in Turkish language.
Majar ?
@@sukromnevideo well its same in Slovak. Its not Hungary but Madarsko.
@@sukromnevideo however the current occupants are the Magyars not the Huns.
@@sukromnevideo There first appeared in the Volga region way before the Turks.
Then Huns got extinct during the 6th century, Hungarian came during the 9th century.
The etymology of Hungarian is uncertain but in all cases not related to Hun, in German, it is Ungarisch, there's no -h but it is pronounced in the German language. Their closest related people are the Uralic Khanti and Mansi.
Really enjoyed this. Very scholarly. Great work.
Thank you.
I am ashamed to say I still haven't gotten through your video, but today's the day I'll watch it, I promise :D
Nagy Magyarorság. Long live Hungary. Greetings from Mexico, and Hungarian descendant. Pablo Peter
Hombre, you should be ashamed of yourself. You know why.
@@paulungureanu937 Paul, I would be glad to know your point of view.
@@pablopeter3564 What you have said is equivalent to the Greater United States, incorporating half of Mexico, and the remaining quarter claimed by Guatemala, justified on fake frivolous so-called historical arguments. Do you understand now, as how stupid the argument is?
@@paulungureanu937 You are absolutely right, I am sorry for my statement. Your knowledge about history and comparison with the post colonial state of the former Spanish colonies in Central America and what used to be of the Mexican Empire is right. I apologize to you. Take care and thanks for correcting me. I just feel proud of having Hungarian blood.
@@pablopeter3564 I love Hungarian people, have many friends, colleagues and schoolmates with Hungarian ancestry. I just dont want to live in the past anymore, in states reminiscent of medieval mentalities.
I wish best of luck to as well, mi amigo.
Mejores pensamientos para ti desde Rumania, mi hermano de sangre latina,
Paul
Much love and respect, from Romania!
Amice, esti cu capul?? O_o
Thanks, brother. I believe in a glorious next 1000 years, together.
That's right brother. 🇷🇴🇭🇺 I ❤️ love Hungarian women.
Incredible work man. Seriously, how ironic is it that the best youtube video about the Hungarian prehistory and the conquest is made by a Slovak? Congratulation! I'm doing a little history channel myself, I hope I can reach this quality one day.
15:20 Fire arrows you say? Lindybeige wants to know your location!
Am I doing the meme right? I have no idea. Anyway, you can always just blame Johannes, ;)
I was also considering making the obligatory comment about Poles liking Hungarians, but somebody beat me to it.
I mean hey, I just read what it said in the 16th century source about the battle.
Unlike Lindybeige I actually read what's in the written sources ;)
@@SirAdrian87
In truth fire arrows yes weren't used the way portrayed in movies and they where almost never used in battles (unless trying to scare animals like elephants). However during sieges of mostly wooden towns (which often times had buildings with hay bale roofs) or attacking ships off the coast, yes fire arrows where very much used. Not all the time, not always effectively and not exactly the way they are portrayed in movies but they where definitely used through out History. Plus fire arrows didn't mean only the end of the arrow its self was on fire, it usually had an attached flammable liquid on it and that did the trick.
"The simplest flaming arrows had oil- or resin-soaked tows tied just below the arrowhead and were effective against wooden structures."
"More sophisticated devices were developed by the Romans which had iron boxes and tubes which were filled with incendiary substances and attached to arrows or spears."
etc.
And saying mounted combat is stupid (when dealing with medieval history) is so dumb that I am not going to even argue against it. I'll just say this, if it was so dumb how come every more sophisticated army had some sort of a cavalry. Heck the mongols conquered half of the known world thanks to a mounted army.
@@MLaserHistory The "mounted combat is a stupid idea" is taken here out of context!
He never argued that mounted combat was ineffective or that it hasn't played a major role in warfare.
The entire point was rather how fascinating it is that it even became a thing.
In a world where horses are not used in combat, the idea of taking an animal that is easily scared and runs away from danger and using it for a purpose that goes against every instinct it has seems illogical and yet people put great effort into training the animals and themselves just for that purpose, resulting in revolutionizing warfare forever and making cavalry an integral and important part of warfare.
He doesn't think mounted combat is stupid, he thinks it's great, despite the "idea" of using horses in combat (during a time when they weren't used) to be seemingly stupid. at that time.
It's not the first time someone invented something revolutionary and impactful that would be dismissed as "useless" or "stupid" by most of their peers....
@@boomerix Fair enough. I don't actually know what he actually said or didn't say I am just going off of what the comments here and am responding to those ideas said.
If he said what you're saying that makes sense and is completely normal.
@@MLaserHistory Yeah I am not blaming you for not knowing. I was just pointing it out because the other commenter made an out of context quote.
Also most of Lindybeige Fire Arrow rants are about the way they are used in movies, (mainly battles) not historical warfare. At the end he also talks about their historical use in Naval and Siege warfare.
I just don't want you to get the wrong picture of a fellow youtuber, just because people are too lazy to watch a video....
It's rare to find a youtube video about a topic you know a lot about and find it to be this accurate. There's always more to say but for the level of detail you went for, this is great.
Itd so good to read the comments. Im Hungarian, but Im living in Romania. Thank you for the kind comments áll around Europe :)
A quality and the most detailed video of the early history of the country, well done mate.
Very underrated channel.
You go into dept a lot and the quality of content is aimply amaezing
Sory for bad english
I absolutely adore the thumbnail! Love those ethnic maps. Great job with the video!!
Moravians:
-People coming on horses and shooting arrows, run for your lives!
Europe:
- Oh...not again! Huns ?
-No
-Avars?
-No
-Bulgarians?
-No
Who then?
-Not sure.
Franks,
- We gonna call them Hun-Ugor-Avar-Bulgarians
Europe:
-What did you say? Hungarians?
Franks:
-Sounds ok.
Makes sense to me
It makes sense to me as well! At the same time it is funny! 😂
GREAT! I love the objectivity! Pure facts, shown what it is based on, discussed sources etc. That's how all history should be presented. In the end, we should all remember that history is based on information that we accept as true (until it is critically contested), highly probable and legends/stories.
The video was very detailed, i loved it! 😊
And I'll type it angrily anyway: it would have been nice to hear it more, this is the first time i heard someone pronounce it correctly. Not just "magyar", but "Árpád" too! 😍
It was a long time ago when i had to use the old Hungarian script, so i was really surprised when at 0:42 i was capable of reading it. Good to know i did not forgot it, after all. 😁
Very interesting video! Plus you looked at many sources which makes it more accurate. Keep up the good work!
Wow, wow, wow, and there is a whole playlist too. CZcams recommended something good for once.
Excellent Video! Definitely a few things I was not aware of. Cant wait for the next part.
Fascinating. Thank you! I don't know very much about Hungary. I was fascinated to find out more coming at it from a language perspective it doesn't seem to be like anything else in the geographic area of Hungary today. Your video helps to explain why that is the case.
Amazing video like always. You're a big inspiration for my channel, so thanks for another great video! 😊😊
I am so grateful that you are talking about Hungary!
Came from Oversimplified. He was right, you are underrated!
In my opinion this is the most underrated chanel. www.bitchute.com/video/sepY0zSDxLIa/ the good part starts after 2 minutes.
Im Hungarian ( Jasz- Kun) Bourne in Budapest,living in San Diego. Reading all these positive feedbacks makes me feel emotional grateful to my Szlovakian brother and proud to be Hungarian!
Great video! Appreciate your effort in making it
In romania we still call hungaryans ungari and magiari lol
vrei sa spui "unguri" si "maghiari", and by "hungaryans" vrei sa spui Hungarians? Trebuie omu sa-ti descifreze comentariul asa esti de misterios nene
@@youngshatterhand810 nu trebuie descifrat, a facut niste greseli, "domnule profesor".
@@makavelisoft multam de titlu dar sunt in clasa a sasea si daca nu as sti sa scriu corect as sta pe curul meu
Thanks for including pre- history STILL not taught in Hungarian schools!
What the state does not want the people to have roots other than the state. (Imagine my shock)
Looks like my school isn't Hungarian.-.
This was the first thing we studied in history class after Greek mitology
Wait to hear something about Serbian prehistory. Ridiculous
Informative and objective, perfect combination.
Wow, this was a really detailed video. Awesome job!
Also, an interesting, educational video showing up in my CZcams recommended videos? About my country? What kind of sorcery is this?! :D
A csatorna tulajdonosa szlovák!! Na, itt a bizonyíték, hogy van esély szlovák-magyar barátságra! Józan emberek kellenek! Nem revizionisták, nem nacionalisták! Szlovák-magyar 1000 évet együtt töltött. Én azt mondom folytassák függetlenségben, de kéz a kézben!
@@berkotropia A szlovák, mint nemzet 1600 előtt nem létezett. A többi stimmel...
@@abelvitos8470 A nemzet formálódásához idő kell! :) És igazából mit számít az a néhány száz év különbség??? Most ők egy nemzet, telis-tele rengeteg értékkel. A nyelvük lenyűgöző, és szorgosak, mint a hangya. PONT úgy, mint mi magyarok!
A legnagyobb veszteséget azzal szenvedjük el, hogy szivatjuk egymást ahelyett, hogy szövetségben élnénk.
h.. hello from greenland
But sarkad is a hungarian cuty
City i mean
RIP bc its cold ther (in Greenland I think )
I lack the knowledge to tell how accurate your videos are, but they look very well-researched and you mention a lot of sources, only I'm too lazy to look it up myself. I like that you are very factual and not biased in any way.
One small remark is that you should make short pauses so I can keep up with dates and names (some names I have to translate to the form I know them).
Finally an accurate video on YT about this issue, and the best thing is that it’s done by a Slovak, not a Hungarian, this CZcamsr knows history of the region, and he’s not a tipical ultranationalist who has been incited by Hungarophobic Slovak chauvinist propaganda based on fake history (same for similar Romanians). ;)
Let’s erase hate, look and progress ahead, learn correct history and ignore hate speech and politicians who spread hate and division!
Well done, M. Laser History! :D
I'm not sure what you mean by propaganda based on fake history
But he did got the language group of the Avars wrong, they're in the Indo-Iranian language family tree if I remember correctly.
Is he slovak? Also hungarian nationalist narrative can also be fucked up.
Idk about the fake history tho - what he’s describing is basically what I’ve been taught in history classes in my school in Slovakia (AFAIR). Not as detailed as the video, but the same in broad strokes. Certainly not contradicting it.
Fady Abdul you sound like a typical slovakophobe and romanianophobe
I never expected such a detailed video about my country pre-christian history. Thanks for your effort!
wow! congratulation and thx for pronauncing the 'gy' sound correctly!
I'm going for a 6 week sttay in Budapest starting next week. I have been ther quite a bit over the last ten year. I have never been able to realy piece together the ancient history of the people. This was a great help.
Thanks
This explains my DNA results, even though all my grandparents came from Hungary.
what do they show?
one's place of birth can have very little to do with one's DNA - all that matters is your ancestry
@@krisztoballit for me,it shows Eastern European and Balkan roots :D
Great work! It's more just a "video". One question, the pilis mountains were settled since the great moravian time by Slovaks, but in your video you follow the modern magyar-szlovak border, even the town/village names are still slovak. This is just a detail, thank you for your videos.
This Video didn't appear in my Inbox,
But Im subbed and I have the Bell selected to "all"
Yeah, that's sadly the age old problem with CZcams.
Actually some Magyars were frequently mentioned as living in Bashkortostan. The Oka-Volga-Don interfluve was under the Gorodets culture.
Some stayed there too. In the 13th century, father Julianus went to the East, to find them, and he did eventually. He went back to Hungary to inform the king about it, but then the mongols reached the area. When Julianus went back the second time, no Magyars were left. But we can still see traces of them in Baskhir genome. Ironically, they have the most old - magyar DNA.
Yes, at one time there was Magna Hungaria which was in the Forest and Steppe regions of Bashkortostan, in the general area of the Southern Urals.
There's was also ethnic Magyars living in the North Western region of Caucasus in a town named Madjar that had buildings and trade with other areas and was still around until the 18th Century CE
Hi,
Love your channel, been on a binge for days.
Could you do the 1956 Hungarian revolution?
Long live Hungary ❤️from Croatia
we occupied you...
Give us back our land lol
@@manueldegroot7625 Ha, ha, ha! Let me teach you something, Hungarian. From Croatian point of view... You occupied us? Before the arrival of the Hungarians, we had our own Croatian state that lasted 488 years (principality 296 and kingdom 192 years). I have studied this period and my conclusion is as follows; the Hungarians would not have overthrown the Croatian state without the betrayal of the Šubić of Bribir family (later Zrinjski). They protected Queen Jelena (Ilona), took her to Hungary (there is no chance that she could do it alone without protection), and the Šubićs made discord between twelve Croatian noble tribes. I have no evidence, but it is possible that they fought on the side of the Hungarians against the last Croatian king, Peter Snačić. At best, they remained passive and pretended that the war was out of the question. Later Zrinjski always, through the centuries, had an absolutely privileged position in Hungary, which disappeared with the arrival of the Habsburgs. Such a thing to say about the Zrinjski family is still taboo here, but history needs to be studied and analyzed. As for the Hungarians, we are also sorry that after Trianon you were finally reduced to your true measure. An old Croatian proverb says: who was above, is now below. 😉
@@amg4202 Come and take it lol
Awesome video. Although Bulgaria' s control over transilvania didn't last in 892
According to the Annals of Fulda, in 894 Emperor Arnulf sent envoys to the Bulgarians to "ask that they should not sell salt to the Moravians"; this demonstrates that the Bulgarians controlled, at a minimum, the roads between the Transylvanian salt mines and Moravia.
Also one of the most famous hungarian sources(gesta hungarorum) mentions the famous vlach dukes Menomorut ,Gelou and Glad who controlled Banat and Transilvania in the early 900 s . All of who were born and baptised in Vidin , Bulgaria. Thus were most likely Bulgarian vassals.
However I should mention that Gesta hangarorum was written in the 11th century. So it does have some fiction and semei-legendary figures in it.
Not necessarily, they could have been trading over the Danube.
With that said I am open to the idea of Bulgarian control within those lands lasting longer however what kind of control this was is very speculative.
It wouldn't be uncommon for local counts to play two larger powers off of each other by giving vassalage to one then the other etc. simply for more local autonomy. This could be one aspect of it.
Another could be a simple back and forth between the border regions of the two kingdoms, shifting the power dynamics between various counts/chiefs on multiple occasions.
Lastly the fact that the Hungarians did establish them self in the basin by 895 does show a certain level of control over the Carpathian passages before that time, otherwise they wouldn't be able to get through there. However this control could have of course been temporary or fragile or gradient, etc.
There's just not enough information to go off of and a simple "not selling salt to the Moravians" could be interpreted many ways. They could have not even had control over the Transylvanian salt mines and simply been just trading salts to the Moravians from the Black see market, this is highly unlikely I am just saying it's impossible to know exactly, hence I went with the Hungarian control since as I mentioned before they needed some Carpathian control to be bale to establish them self in Pannonia.
@@MLaserHistory
Absolutely agree.
Deffenetly the Bulgarian rule of transylvania after the magyar arrival was more inconsistent than our rule of what was to became wallachia and part of modern Moldavia. We all know how contradicting medieval sources can be.
Not to mention the fact that every chronicler from that time period was a loyal servant of his state's bias. In that case the byzantines which excluded any Bulgarian land north of the Danube. I really love your channel becouse you dive into very unique and at the same time really controversial topics. Here are some sources if you are interested into this particular topic which our academics had named "Outdanubian Bulgaria"
historian István Bóna
Bóna writes that the Bavarian Geographer is the last source which contains contemporaneous information of the eastern regions of the Carpathian Basin in the 9th century. According to this source, which is actually a list of the tribes inhabiting the lands east of the Carolingian Empire around 840,the Merehani, who had 30 civitates, or fortified centers, lived along the southernmost parts of the empire's eastern frontiers. Their land also bordered on Bulgaria.
The Abodrites
A group of tribes which inhabited the lands along either the Timiș or the Tisza.According to a memorial inscription from Provadia, a Bulgar military commander, Onegavonais, drowned in the Tisza, implying Omurtag of Bulgaria's attempts to expand his rule in the region in the 820s. Also the Bulgars invaded Moravia in 863 and 883, suggesting that they controlled the crossing-points across the rivers Mureș and Tisza.
Also emperor Simeon crossed the modern day region of Moldavia and bessarabia unchallenged in 896 in order to atack the magyars.
And reached as far as the Boh river. This suggests that again these territories were Bulgarian possessions. Or atleast to some extent.
Gesta Hungarorum was written not in XI but in XIII century, how mentioned in the video as well. In Transylvania no any Vlach duke is mentioned: Mén-Marót was Kozar, Gyalu was Blak (not Vlach) and Galad was Kun according the Gesta, and this nations were eighter ally nations of the Bulgarians (according the Gesta), eighter were Some Bulgarian tribes, bacause there were other Bulgarian captains mentioned together with them. And the conqest of the Magyars of Transylvania from the Bulgarians was not in the early 900’s but the late 800’s not only according the Gesta (written about 3 hundreds years later) but also according the Byzantine sources of the IX-X century.
If you quote from the Gesta Hungarorum, please do it exactly, and not according some foreigner (miss)translation or (miss)explaination!
@@lajos-berenyi The ethnicity of the dukes was not the main point here. The gesta does mention other rulers as bulgarians
(Salan for example). And as far as I know, according to this source the duchies of Gelou and Menomorut located in modern day Crisana and western Transylvania fell to the hungarians around 907 AD not in the late 9th century. As for Glad his descendants ruled Banat until the early 11th century , Ahtum was the last ruler of the region. Also no consistent hungarian rule of transilvania before 1000AD can be proven. As for the gesta I am sorry, yes you are right it was written in the 13th century.
@@historyrhymes1701 where you are taking this infos? This infos you are wrinting are contradictionary of the Bizantine sousrces (I don't mention the Gesta, because it was 3 centuries after written). The Byzantine Leo the Wise (reign 886-912) was writing in his historical book about the Magyar conquest of the Transylvania over the Bulgarian.
What is your sources to against it?
Top video!
Thanks, informative!
I just wanted to aprreciate that you're one of few creators who remember about Central Europe being a thing, and not just calling it 'Eastern Europe'. Everybody who is interested in the topic is probably aware of that, but still too many people forget or don't realize it (maybe it's a calque from the XX century when there was Eastern and Western blocks... which is obviously a different thing). Thank you!
Very good video historically and very good presented
"fire arrows don't exist" yet I hear of battles where they were used
They did exist just not the way they're portrayed in movies.
Very nice video, also your pronounce is good too! ^^
Hi! Did you know the Magyar People are actually came from an other Galaxy?
They were originally lived in there. And from that Galaxy on a Starship the Magyar People came to planet Earth.
So the Magyar People are came from above, directly from the Heaven, to the Pannonia, to the Carpatian basin as you said.
Mađar
@@bombyx5199SUMERO-ETRUSCAN-TURANID-HUN-MAGYAR-CELTO-SIRUS-HUNGARIAN*
A European history with year-by-year maps and summaries from 1500 BC on would be fascinating. But also impossible.
Excellent video. The battle of Pressburg (Pozsonyi Csata) in 907 was the decisive victory by Hungarians against the German army.
Long ago, in an American college, I had a German language prof of Moravian birth, and a philosophy prof of Hungarian birth. They lived out this story regularly, alternatingly chastising and forgiving each other as if it all happened the year before. They both served up Turkish coffee but did so as if they had just ousted the Ottomans thereby.
Thank you
That thumbnail is like:
Hungary: I don't feel so good.
Thats Just where hungarian People live today
When hungary goes to brazil
Wow the part where the Pechenegs killed the hungarians' women and children was heart-wrenching,also a slight mention of the Vlachs would have been nice,greetings from Romania.
@@jutube90 yeah,it makes sense since the whole area of Transylvania is extremely rarely mentioned,which I find completely odd.
shane the vlachs lived south of the carpathians and the molodavians lived east to the carpathians but they were irrelevant at the time when the Hungarians settlers came
@@gabor247 first time i've ever heard this perspective,while I certainly don't agree,it's an improvement from the silly south of the danube mindset.
shane they still live there.
@@gabor247 of course they do,but it is pretty ridiculous to say they lived in southern Romania at the arrival of the Magyars since no historical source ever mentions them in that area before 1185,most sources either talk of the vlachs of moldova or transylvania.
Stephen I. was the first king of Hungary, he was ,,crowned'' in 1000.
Thanks bro of making a video of my country
I'd love it if you could post your sources and where to find them. It would be really cool to read them.
Read the description next time.
www.patreon.com/mlaser?tag=script
lonely people of europe. I hope you become a big and powerful country. 🙏
The huge flaw with this Video is that there’s no date applied to many of these events. It would be nice if every time you said another event, the graphics would include a date
Very interesting video. I hope you do similar videos on the Rusyn and Slovak peoples
im hungarian too,thanks from making this video,az istenit!
dobrá videa máš. Perfektní
Awesome 👍
That was a very smart move, to use a freaking RIVER between your armies.
Nothing could go wrong with that! No, sir!
both armies were much bigger than that of the magyars and they were overconfident
Thumbnail: mr Ferdinand, I don’t feel so good.
The blood thing before the conquest is true
How do you know?
In the video the guy said the two stories contradict each other
So there is no definitive answer, and one of them must be fiction. However we have no sources over which one is true. So historians merge them where is possible, but leave out sections that contraditcs each other
Tibor Varga - The 2 sources contradict each other - but he says nothing about the contradictions themselves, so who (and how ) decides what is fictional and what is not fictional? Does fictional mean completely invented or does it mean that certain facts were woven into more fanciful narratives? In my opinion it has a reason why one fanciful narrative is picked up and not another. Maybe it fits into the cultural characteristics of a people. As a Hungarian I can say that the Blood contract between tribes ( Vérszerzödés) feels at home in Hungarian culture (see "testvér", "szert ülni"). * Latest cognitive science affirms the importance of using intuition alongside with factual knowledge......
no, it is nothing more than a myth
I hope the Hungarians and Balkans in general gain back their prestige their ancestors once had. Greetings from England 🏴
Of course, near the Ural Mountains, the historical land of the Hungarians.
@@Sgarigan And the romanians, in Albania
Nice video
Calling them Hungarians in the video makes sense. They still call themselves Magyar(rok) so there would be no reason to switch.
You should mention about the On-Ogur or "Ten Arrows". This is also a theory of their name origin.
Gr8 job Mr..i show to my grandkids in hopes they understand how much it stears Thier daily life ..most are at a point of not knowing anything about Thier past history thus not knowing themselves and why ..they do things and feel the way they do..lost folks..so again THANKS ..family is everything ..thats one of todays BIGGEST problems..
I really admire the Hungarians c:
I don't really care if people avoid saying "Magyar" because I know foreigners can have a hard time pronouncing our double (and some other) letters.
Great video.
Agreed. I don't really understand people who insist on using the proper names of people and places in their original language. Languages invent names for each other's peoples and places for good reasons - one of which is pronunciation and spelling ease.
As much as I love languages and am personally fairly good at learning foreign pronunciations (sadly, far more than foreign languages' grammar, which would be a far more useful talent), this modern trend strikes me as unnecessarily and excessively polite.
It's not like the English word for Hungarians is derived from old insulting Hungarian words for "primitive beastly murderers" or "child-eaters.". Lol. That would be the only time I would think it was warranted for us all to make a switch.
This got to be the first time i seen a youtube video pronounce magyar right. The amount of times i hear "mag-ee-ar" (with the a sound from cat) or "moh-jar".
0:39 Thank you.
As interesting fact Croats called Hungary and Hungarans Ugarska and Ugri until 19th century when Mađarska and Mađari replaced old name
Đ/đ is pronounced like j in joy
As another interesting fact Venetians are Mleci and Venetian Republic Mletačka Republika. I have no idea why. Venice itself is Venecija. It could be remnant of old Dalmat language.
Charlemagne waged brutal wars against both the Saxons and a little bit later against the Avars, who incidentally where not wiped out, just their political power was drastically diminished and they no longer could maintain the same political control over Western Pannonia.
Machiavellian intrigue was used by the Franks to break the power of the Avars. Many of the Avar leaders were invited to a large banquet by Charlemagne's orders to discuss the terms of peace with the Franks. The Franks had all the Avar leaders murdered.
The evidence is in the 9th and 10th century gravefinds in Hungary. Many surviving, Avars had joined the Árpád Magyars voluntarily without force or blood-shed. There's quite a few Avars buried nearby the 9th & 10th Century Magyars.
15:30 the music is from One Piece. Do you watch it?:DD Also thank you very much for this video, sadly we don't have any like this in our language
Didn't know that actually and sorry, no I never seen it. The music just seemed to fit, that's all.
what are the exact sources of the events between 800 and 1000?
Can you do a video on the Swedish Gothic kings that made parthinia, Conquered the middle east (Tanausis) & Greece (Sitacles)
Jordanes getica Read it