How to avoid the Kiss @ 3 Cushion Billiard?
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- I choosed most common 3 positions and show, how I avoid the kiss?
Additionally you can find animated routes of the positions, professional billiard players solving methods (Andreas Efler) and of course my amateur shots :)
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Thanks for the 3 examples. But what is your mental analysis before you shot the 1st time to determine the range of aim and English that well result in a kiss that you want to avoid. Then what do you decided as an adjustment outside of the KISS aim and E range. A. Efler does not cover this analysis as well in his eBooks. Both of you show kiss solutions but don't show or talk about the thought process to find the failing range of aim and or English that will be a kiss. Maybe one just has to have a lot of shot experiences to develop a intuitive sense of these problems and solutions.
I used the PC program (VP4 billiard simulator) and found the ranges for aim and E for Kiss 1. A 2nd solution might exist by using a very thin cut to 1st diamond on long rail. This is a 1.9" aim from the center of B1. Speed range is large from 3 to 7mph. The solutions were not intuitive to me at my novice skill level.
1/4 full cut and near max E side works which might be your solution as well but you did not spec cut size and just show 1st rail hit point. The 1/4 full shot has a Etop range of .3 to -.25 tips and speed range of 4.8mph to 3.4mph.
Hi Rick,
Thanks for the comment.
I'm really curious about your investigations and studies with VP4. If you put some videos or articles in CZcams or other platforms please let me know.
Actually Kiss problem is one of the biggest problem at 3 Cushion Billiard and it is too complex (especially for us).
I did not find any proper system or technique or standard to avoid the Kiss. So that current videos are position based videos.
By the way there are too many parameters and combinations, to underline that at the 2nd position I moved the yellow ball only 6 cm away, But all the things changed immediately. We will continue position based learning but parallel searching for the new ideas and techniques :) Please let us know if you find/invent something!
Take Care!
Cemal
@ Sorry that I do not have any videos or text on the subject. Your CZcams post got me interested since I always find kisses frustrating even if I take the time to make a guess and CB and B1 travel distances and speeds based on cut size.
VP4 does allow one to change E, Hit Speed, Cut (aim) and see the resulting paths so might decrease the time of doing position based testing as ones is searching for a solution. Would take some programming expert to automatically wiggle the each of inputs and find solutions for a given ball setup position and then do incremental ball setup position movement like you did in your 3 cases. Doing case by hand in VP4 or on a real table might lead to hints or rules of thumb for known setups like the CB and B1 inline to the corner. I could create a example video of one of your kiss problems in VP4 and email it do you.
The interaction of ball RPM at the rails, angle in and out, ball speeds, and distances are all inter-related and most likely do not add up in a linear way. Like in your case of moving the CB B1 pair closer to the long rail keeping the short rail distances constant. And there are multiple solutions... In Efler's eBook he says it takes years of practice to get a feel for when a kiss will happen and find a solution ("within seconds") I remember a
demo by Mazin Shooni when Tom Rossman asked him how to judge a difficult shot. Shooni's answer was "40 years of practice and play". Rossman and I would both respond, "dont have that many years left in my life given the amount of time I allow for practice."
You are lucky to have mywebsport access to record kisses and solutions. Keep me posted if you find anything solutions.
I created 3 vp4 screen videos for you. Here is one.
czcams.com/video/8UX_77LbUoA/video.html
2 more.
czcams.com/video/VTqchHXvC1Y/video.html
czcams.com/video/y_93zXI840A/video.html
In doing I think a future method would be to start with a B1 fixed and easy cuts angles that start close to the solution
then vary E with each cut to a min and max where kiss happens and then change to a new cut angle. e.g. like quarter ball,
3/8, 1/2, 5/8, 1/8 and see the E range for each.
@@rlm Hello Rick. I have tried your solution. It works. Had to try some english , speed and thickness variation, but finally did it. czcams.com/video/sQR3Ar0tJD4/video.html