This Tesla Update Was Badly Needed! Would Have Saved My Collision
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- čas přidán 22. 01. 2024
- Recently, our Model Y received a new software update that greatly improved the on screen visualizations called High Fidelity Park Assist. About 3 months ago, my wife Kathy hit a pole with her front bumper/nose in a mall parking garage ever so gently, but it still caused damage. Both Kathy and I firmly believe that if she had the software then that she has now, this accident would not happened. Watch to see the whole story. This is a huge jump in technology and performance from the vision only system. While this is super good, we still believe that Tesla needs a camera in the front bumper down low, and they need to tie the data it is seeing both in the front and the rear to automatic braking like many other cars have as standard equipment. Even though, this is a huge increase in benefits to all of who drive Tesla's.
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This is why I prefer reversing into spaces. Better visibility with the rear camera.
Reversing in is always the safest option for parking. Particularly on Tesla’s with both rear and side cameras
but some situations like going to Costco, its smarter to head in so you can easily access your trunk
Some parking spots are diagonal
Kathy & Dave, Radar (would really help with driving in fog, heavy rain, snow, bad lighting), Ultrasound proximity sensors (could’ve saved the day with this dent and protect small dogs like Bailey). Tesla cheapened out; these two technologies should be in every car today.
Agree but disagree. I really don't care about the technology or name, I care about the functionality. And unfortunately Tesla hasn't delivered. I have a MY made over one year ago, and Tesla vision is still a big disappointment
I truly appreciate how joyful you are. God bless you.
A front bumper camera would be awesome in this situation
And that's what you will get in the end
Until it gets covered in grime in 5 minutes of driving in the rain.
@@alanrickett2537not so likely, unless you get some fancy bumper camera with a shield mechanically removed when you turn it on. Otherwise, you'll soon see nothing.
Here’s the thing though, this is in perfect conditions. This vision only is still extremely limited in rainy & snowy conditions. For example last week in the DC area we got a little bit of snow, maybe only about a half an inch to an inch. It wasn’t even really enough that it stuck to the main roads & even on side roads it was still drivable. However the roads were wet & the little bit of snow & water splashed up on my car making both front & rear cameras useless. However when parking my sensors still worked perfectly.
Now I’ve been driving for 37 years so I know how to use my mirrors to park & learning how to drive in Chicago I’ve always been a defensive driver. However if Tesla wants to keep marketing themselves as a top safety pick they need to go back to putting sensors on their cars because in bad weather vision only just isn’t ever going to be as reliable as sonar.
The new Park Assist may work better for walls, posts, and taller objects, but does not work AT ALL for parking curb blocks that you encounter in many parking lots, at least for the Model 3. It is giving me the most extreme STOP warnings when I am still a couple of feet from the parking curb. You have to be VERY careful with the front fascia on the Model 3 because the low profile puts it at serious risk with these concrete parking curb blocks. Tesla is NOT a top tier carmaker without the ultrasonic sensors. This has to be the DUMBEST thing they ever did removing these.
Gee if only there were a sensor, perhaps of the ultrasonic type, that could solve those issue 🤦♂️ Tesla has lost all my interest after removing those and radar
Absolutely right. Any object that is shorter in height than the front lip of the car will disappear as the car approaches it. The camera may see it at some distance and warn you, but not when the car is closer than a certain point (depending upon the object's height). This was also true of the ultrasonic sensors, by the way. I remember testing my Model S to see how close i could be before the sensors lost "sight" of a curb. It would get very close but at some point. the sensor's beam would no longer hit the object. But it would have to be very close. And while it worked, as you say, the sensor measured the distance in inches, pretty accurately.
its funny cuz ultrasonic sensors would not help you with that lol. Vison based park assist with more training will be the ideal solution for that and any type of parking, as long as they add a camera on the bumper.
It doesn't need radar
@@a-don13Correct, the ultra sonics don’t pick up on step up curbs and sidewalks in front of businesses. Unfortunately, the Model 3 is just low enough not to clear many concrete parking stops either. I have the USS on my 3.
I have the same experience of a vast improvement on my Model 3 LR Highland here in Sweden with the new update. Got mine 6 December and after that some updates were released and with those improvements the car is much more accurate in warning and showing the correct surroundings. Now it even beeps at sidewalks and snow barriers in front of it because the car remembers it's something there even if the camera can't actually see the obstacles. Very impressing updates. Now you have to watch the wallet David, because Kathy no longer has to be afraid parking the car shopping... 😂
Aww come on Dave! Give Kathy a chance to say goodbye without cutting her off. It is after all her recreation of her accident which probably she didn’t want to repeat. I’m a bit obsessive about bangs to my car and it’s plastic. 🚙 😂
In my 2023 model Y I do what I used to do. Get close then if in doubt get out to look. (Pre sensor days) I find the new software pretty good. When it says stop I stop. Great video Dave.
That's an impressive update. I still don't like that they felt the need to cut corners on front and rear sensors in favor of cameras. Saves you such a small amount per car while tarnishing the experience. That seems to be some what of a trend for Tesla's and why I choose a different EV. Charging network advantage is going to be a big one to lose in the coming years as they open up. I imagine you guys would have kept a number of cars had they been able to use the Tesla Super Charging network.
Only 30% will be available to non Teslas at a significant higher cost to use. If the non-Tesla NACS aren't addressable, then a lighter charging handle and lighter cord is the only advantage at non-Tesla chargers..
Non teslas are only getting access to 12000 out of 23000 charging stations, there will still be a significant charging advantage to owning a Tesla
@@ArbitraryFilmings absolutely. In fact I think energy delivery is going to be their most profitable business by far in the end not car sales.
The network is definitely an advantage, however, the biggest adavatange is NOT having to go through "flippers" called dealers. That's why most will still go with Tesla or Rivian.
@@junehanzawa5165 I personally prefer the dealer network as I've gotten some unbelievable deals well below MSRP. Generally 9-15% off MSRP BEFORE incentives and manufacture rebates. Additionally with Tesla once they discount the car it's public (vs dealer discounted MSRP) so your resell value drops in line with that as anyone could just get that deal (vs negotiating it directly with a dealer that wants to make it move). I see where some buyers would prefer not dealing with a dealer network but pegging them against each other has been much better for me.
Great vid guys!
2:44 oh Kathy still waves hi even tho she is bummed bout her incident. 😌
Thank you for making this video. We have been hesitant about bought a 2018 model S but we still have our 22 Lexus RX even though the model S does have sensors I miss the panoramic vision in our Lexus RX
Even with the new high fidelity, this is why i always back in to use the rear camera on our vision only Y... vision only might get better when they include a front camera, but its not better than USS for sure. (I back in always using my USS enabled 3 as well though to be fair)
What software version is this? I have a 2022, does the enhanced graphics update work for version 3 & 4 hardware?
Ultrasonic sensors would have worked.
Thanks for the follow-up video! It's good to see that Tesla did something to help drivers from damaging their vehicles. Now do this with a car that has USS and/or a 360 camera... I think that would be a great comparison to show the relative effectiveness of the safety features available in cars.
I have had that update for about a month or two it is better much better but not as good as front camera or sensor. Also great for seeing
that you are centered in the parking lines.
Has the updated software stopped using the ultrasonic sensors for vehicles that still have them?
I’m a fan of the new graphics. When backing up, it doesn’t show the pole exactly, but it shows a big red spot where the pole is. Tesla is pretty conservative on the distance estimates and starts beeping way before you hit anything.
I thought the overhead view was and has been great for me and in this video. It does take a little getting use to, I agree. But that comes with time. And it'll probably improve with future software updates. .... And the distance estimates in my garage are poor until you get real close.
We got our new Model Y LR last September, and was disappointed Tesla had not yet included the newer HD radar in the front, and does not brake the car for you in these types of siruations.
Get lexus, it will stop for you
@@TamTran-hy8dj - not until Toyota goes BEV- poisoning the air and water is a slightly larger concern than relying on my car to be my eyes for me when parking...
Well, the update brought some improvements but the software is still not consistent nor accurate which is why they removed the inch indications so it is more difficult to compare with the USS. We already had some people who tried to rely on the software but still managed to get a nick in the car. I would say in 90% of the situations this update will do just fine. And THATS the problem. The sheer inconsistency. One day, good conditions, the software performs great. Next day, even better conditions the software fails! How can you trust this bs?!
Keep up the good vids folks! 🕺🏼💃🏼🐶
This video makes me happy because I remember requesting it in Kyle's livestream chat
how do you know what cells you have?
That 'tap' will cost you $3,000. 😏
Brilliant video, I have a USS 2022 Model Y. Very disappointed Tesla removed the sensors, It is clear Tesla vision is improving but what is equally clear is the sensors were taken off newer cars prematurely.
How does this work when there’s pouring rain / snow or when it’s very dark?
Consider yourself lucky with a small ding... Usually it's a woman or women that run thru store fronts inmost cases. The posts are there to protect citizens !
LIFEPO4 2023 M3 with FSD in Australia so mot switched on. My wife is a photographer , so she jumps out a lot. Sometimes the car locks and sometimes it does not. When I put it in park she can open door from outside!
I'm torn here. It's a post not in a blind spot on the car and you want the car to tell you to stop before hitting it. I understand the issue - I would be more sympathetic if it was in the rear of the car where you don't have a clear view of the big honking post right in the middle of the car that you are obviously close to. Remember - cameras, sensors, etc. are driving aids - you are supposed to gauge the distance with your good old analog vision in your head - and you don't really need to be 2 inches away from the post - 12 inches or even 24 inches would have you firmly in the spot.
While this is true here, there are times where being as close as possible is beneficial. Maybe the spot you are in is a bit shorter due to an obstacle that is guarded by one of these poles and you want to pull all the way in to avoid getting hit in the back by bad drivers. Maybe your garage is tight and you need to pull within a few inches of something.
Yes cars don’t have this back in the day but it’s standard fare now and Tesla made a mistake by cutting radar and ultrasonic. The biggest problem is for those that have those sensors in their cars that Tesla just disabled. At least if you buy a car with vision only you understand the possible limitations.
@@TJPaveyas I roll to the edge of my porch, clench my fist and yell ‘hey kids get off my lawn’ I bow to your accurate observation.
Put a heat gun on that bump on the top of the bumper, careful not to overheat/burn it, press down with the but of a screwdriver or something like that, and hold it down until it cools, and you may be able to remove that small damage.
Yes good job.
Can you repeat the comment you made at the beginning about luckily getting the panasonic on your MYLR? I assume that was about battery and I'm wondering if there are two battery configs, with the Panasonic being better and how do you know which you're getting ?
From my understanding the LR is 2160 Panasonic cells. The standard range may come with 4680 cells during certain production runs. They then switched to Panasonic for that car too. The 4680 cells had issues with speed of charging.
I don’t own a model Y. Did a quick search and I couldn’t find a way to know for sure which battery someone may have other than just poorer charging performance.
Is this FSD or a standard SD package?
Not available for my 2020 MYP 😞
I can’t help wondering how a vision only system performs while driving in dense fog. Sensors and radar see through it and will detect a car in front of you long before you see it. A camera can’t see through fog so I wonder is it as safe while on autopilot.
The Vision Only system did not "see" such a pole if it is a litte smaller because of the missing font bumper camera and USS. You just drove it over which has happened to a friend of mine. This is especially a problem if the car starts from "off" after parking because it "forgets" the drive earlier on into the parking lot. This Vision Only parking is also no nearly precise enough...The whole system has no chance compared to a modern 360 degree parking system (with USS and cameras in the front bumper and in the mirrors facing downwards) from a "conventional" car (e.g. BMW)...
Safety first.
My 2021 model 3 don’t have anything not even those blobs. Not even the parking lines. When I’m driving it shows me the lane lines but can’t show my parking stall lines? All I need is to know if I’m centered in the stall but no. So stupid.
Not sure if it makes a difference but … the first video you were one spot farther to the left. The only reason I mention it is that the wall is painted the same color blue as the pole and I am wondering if the pole was camouflaged by the wall as it would be for human vision .
I have a Model S and a Kia Sportage PHEV, I love tech.
But I visited my dad [85 yrs old) in fla few weeks ago and drove his 2002 Sport trac.
I was able to reverse without a backup cam and didn't run into security poles.
Lol
Our $16 thousand 2017 Chevy Bolt Premier "w/ new battery," has 360 overhead camera views, so we see everything around our car. Plus it has front and rear views. sure it charges a max of 55 kw an hour but we just drive around our town and charge in our garage. If we take a trip,, we rent a Tesla. So 250 miles on GOM . We're happy with this more affordable option.
I think the better idea is to look at the parking space lines and see how close you are to the line parallel to the front of the car. I have seen it pretty accurate and you I mean it wont hurt to get our of the car and check . you know it saves potential bumps to the car. :-)
Only real use I have, is for parking in centre of the parking space. Nowadays you can see were the lines are relative to the car.
I hate pulling forward in parking. I think the accuracy of vision for the front is double what you think based on my own experience. I do not think it will get any better than that just base.
3 inches would have laughed my ass off if she’d said 9 inches 😂😂😂😂😂
Wow - great update for sure. Thanks for this video.
Eddie Cars made a similar video regarding the sensors.
For me it screem to stop when it's up to 1-1,5 meter from the wall, wich sucks when parking.
It would be interesting to do the same test with a USS-equipped non-Tesla. USS has a problem with poles.
Why is the bumper cover white paint a different shade from the metal hood/fenders white paint 🤷🏽♂️
improved from previous update with all the warning signals but it NEEDS to stop once it gets within 3in.
Our 2017 Toyota RAV 4 Platinum has great front and rear sensors. Our 2023 Ford Maverick Lariat has a rear sensor but no front one. I would have gladly paid $50 more for a front one but it isn’t available.
Why do you need to be 3 inches from the post?
Never rely 100% on the software but always use your own judgement. The software will lull you into making mistakes
How much did it cost to fix the dent?
Haven’t fixed it yet
A sure fire way to prevent any collisions in parking lots is to back into the spot. You have a rear camera with an unobstructed view of the post.
Luckily grocery stores don't have concrete posts like this.
Pool noodles in front of them could be useful, as you would see them move if you touch them, and won't damage the bodywork.
Other automakers are starting to provide the things Tesla refuses to do, that is smart for them. I noticed the Kia EV9 has the birds eye view.
My $400 vacuum cleaner would navigate around those poles with no issues
My tesla Model 3 shows STOP when iam about 20 inches from a barrier. It does not auto stop as I would like.
Dave: The pic in your icon doesn't look like you. You look more like a young Brad Pitt.
I think Kathy agrees !
There was a bit of panic in that "Stop!" but rightly so. Auto braking will help 😊
WOW the current white bumper doesn't match the rest of the car. Hopefully when you get the bumper replaced it will be a better paint match. Surely the bumper was repainted once already??
A lot of people are whining in the Facebook Tesla groups that they hate it because it's "blob-like". It's a 3D visualization/heat map and it's much better in my personal opinion.
11:52 high light of the day😂😢
Poor Kathy ☹️
Well it's the lack of sensors, this tech does not work.
Tesla doesn't want to hear that.
@@Dive-Bar-Casanova I understand, that would be a nightmare to retrofit it for their whole production platform, billions of dollars. It will only change if customers are giving feedback why they didn't buy a Tesla.
Tesla did not cheap out of taking away the sensors. Sensors were also used for autopilot. Tesla said “If humans can drive with only vision ai should be able to too” thats why they took sensors away. They did not cheap out.
I backed into a Tesla only charging sign at a supercharger with our 2023 Model 3 with the old software. There was no bumper for the rear tires to hit only a sidewalk curb and the sign was installed around six inches behind the curb. Not sure why the sign was not further back? Even if the sign post were back further, installing some padding would seem reasonable. It looked like all the signs had been hit and the one I hit was basically ready to fall over. I received no warning at all before hitting the sign. I think the new firmware is much better but it is very conservative ie.. you are fairly far from the object when it tells you to stop.
You were backing up, did you not look at the camera on the screen in front of you? It is not just for Mario Cart.
What a world we live in when cars become safer with an over the air update!
I have seen this same thing with my 2022 Model 3.
But my biggest concern with the future of this technology is Musk’s disdain for, and dismissal of, the need for radar in Full Self Driving. There is no way in Hell that FSD with vision-only can safely operate a car without radar as a back-up, at least in bad weather conditions such as heavy rain and dust.
My first Tesla was a 2020 M3P with $8000 FSD. I traded it for the 2022 hoping to recover my FSD premium cost (plus several other improvements such as the heat pump). But despite all of the improvements in the ability of FSD since I traded, it appears to be far from the capabilities needed to make me think it will ever achieve certification from the NTSB or whatever regulatory agency would have jurisdiction to approve it for operation without a driver in the front seat ready to take control of the car at all times. And at least to me, unless one has an almost daily long commute, FSD is simply a fantasy both as to its potential usefulness and to its prospects for future certification.
Being “close” to good enough is not good enough for me to pay the huge price!
Took too long for Tesla to address this. Should be no surprise.
You may be able to fix your bumper by using a heat gun on the inside or a good hairdryer. I would suggest taking the bumper off and heating it up from the backside. You should be able to get some help by searching this up on CZcams.
It better than before, however just bring back the ultra sonic sensors please and a front bumper camera. Why do Tesla have to "fix" something that is not broken? Oh, and bring back the turn signal stalks too!!!
Tesla never should have removed the ultrasonic sensors before they had a software solution. My brother had the exact same problem with his new model Y. Shame on Tesla.
Agree John
I was waiting for this video! Thanks for repeating the test.
All that money & the car now lacks Ultrasonic sensors or Radar. If Vision is so good it should have stopped the car but things hopefully should improve. You must be so annoyed that your New car is damaged Kathy. 💃🏼🕺🏼🐶
Removing the ultrasonic sensors was a mistake.
All Tesla’s need a bumper cam!
And if you use Tesla insurance with driver score, won't they ding you for ignoring the false early warnings?
Would be good to see a comparison with a USS car. This is better than before but telling you to stop when you got 2ft to go isn’t very accurate.
Dave sorry about the little incident on Your Tesla Y ,Both of my 2023 VW ID-4 Pro S RWD Have Front & Side Sensors In Front Bumper and Rear Bumper and will also SLAM ON THE BRAKES if you become within 3 In Of The Obstacle!! Also. Both 2023 ID-4. Also Park themselves !! 2022 did not. And. I had the experience last week when I became too close to a Pole at the Post Office IT SLAMMED ON THE BRAKES
A big cell phone. You will need to keep updated to work properly.
😮😮😮😮😮
They just need to add a camera in the front bumper…my Mercedes EQS 580 SUV has one and I use it every time parking. We own a Y also, love the car, but it needs a front bumper camera…and then it would be perfect.
Having a bumper that could survive a millimeters per minute collision without damage would help too.
TESLA should use BAILEY'S yelp as the warning signal .- I recall TESLA told you, they could NOT repair the 'kiss bump' -due to no parts availible . OoSD - what will you guys do ? just wait for Tesla ? be safe. ~. JDS/CT
I trust my 'Mark One Eyeball' over technology.
tesla needs to bring back the Ultra Sonic Sensors and reactive the ones they disabled on cars that have them. this situation you are showing us Dave is also affecting the Summon feature. the summon feature has become where it's useless even in an empty open school parking lot. my car didn't know which direction to move and would stop with no objects around, just grass Lanscape.
Kathy: oops I did a booboo.
Dave: ooh new video series!
Tesla should offer a $25 upgrade to put the damn sensors back.
I was always hitting things in my old Model S WITH THE SENSORS. They really sucked at parking curbs and bumper hitches on pickup trucks. My new Model S without the sensors is soooo much better. I've had the car for five months now and have not hit a thing.
You do need to understand, getting closer with the warning, stop.... Is training the computer to adjust its warning to be not as safe.. letting you get closer, increases the risk in future
I've had an 18' Model 3 and now have a 23' Model 3.
Much ado about nothing. Were you people ubable to park before we had cameras or sonic sensors on vehicles at all?
kathy, don't worry you just signed the car. Everyone signs there car at some time.
$1,300 repair cost down the drain.
Someone at Tesla apparently watches your videos IMO.
Love my USS in my MYP. And yes this will be my last tesla
You’ll be dumping it soon for the Macan EV, and in 2005 it will come with the NACS connector.
2005? That is in the past.
What ever happened to using your eyes and seeing a post in front of you? I have a 2023 Model 3 and love it but why do people trust and blame technology for something they can see without using a screen as plain as day? How did we park before there where cameras? Know the limitations of the technology and use it as an aid to what you can see, not as the only way to see. Yes, the cars should still have the sensors, but they come at a substantial cost that can be applied to other features nor to make a car more affordable. Maybe I am just old school and still use my eyes to see things in my way or take over braking and steering when needed.