So glad to see the South speaking up about this. The Puerto Rican community in the Bronx have claimed hip hop as Bronx Culture and you see Latin kids listed as creators along with black kids, in already established Culture. It's now in museums this way. I hope the South continues to speak more. DJ Mario is one of the ones who they never speak about only a few, because he taught the people recieving credit and he came from S.Carolina..
Yes from the south. Hip hop should only be done by African Americans. Professional rappers should be initiated like any other African system. It was supposed to be a foundation for creating our culture. It’s not about being a star. We should sleep rap, breath rap. Put respect on the south, put some respect on New Orleans
@@AsarImhotep my brother , can you help me find the real bantu name for king akhnaton ? We found out that the queen mother tiye which in bantu is tuye fought slavery and won but they manage to make her son married a mixed woman since the kemit did not married outside of the black race. And hence name her grandchild tetukamuna or later tuntakamun meaning the truth shall be revealed about the reality of who we were because the white that we fought against wanted to change history Thank you
Great presentation. Hip Hop definitely has its roots in the south. I believe following the civil war and up until the first great migration 90% of Black people lived in the South. All of the elements existed prior to the 1970s but I think NY is the place where it all came together. The finished product. That's what Hip Hop is based on even being a Black American we take something that exists already and flipping it. The way we wear jeans, addidas , hats or the way we take old songs and remake them. Or take words and give them new meaning. Playing records then scratching them or screwing them.
Very interesting about Congo Square! This is not coincidence. When growing up in Africa in Burundi, we loved Music from DRC Congo. In Africa, We all knew the most talented Africans when it comes to music, and Great Musicians, were Congolese people to this day. And it is well-known many Africans who came to these shores, during slavery, came from DRC Congo.
I don't think you fully appreciate the breakthrough that "turntableism" represented. It did emerge from necessity, but it seemed to have distilled the genre further into it's more recognisable, or distinct, form. It always struck me as a tremendously ingenious feat that they managed to create a musical instrument from an appliance designed for the enjoyment of music.
All of it goes back to Africa, including guitar music which originated with the Spanish guitar, which derived from the Moorish/African lute, in colonial states before Fender and the American guitar. Important notes people don't point out, the Mills Brothers video shows "human beat boxing" which is part of the acapella tradition which goes way back even before records. It is part of the "culture" that evolved in rural areas by blk people and others entertaining themselves by playing their own music, sometimes on homemade instruments (and was later stolen/exploited with the rise of the record industry). Also note the Caravan video also shows the evolution of the African circle dance from the South into the line dance which became popularized with Soul Train. But above all else, it must be pointed out that this seeming "lack of understanding" of the history is a deliberate effort by the record industries and corporations. Because blk people should be the ones maintaining and keeping track of their own history of these things that they created, but unfortunately many don't see that as a priority. So the system is allowed to de-Africanize and distort that history as part of a larger effort to isolate and further indoctrinaate blk people. As for Jamaica, the rise of dancehall was a parallel evolution of a "culture" among Jamaican youth where they would go to these "dancehalls" and begin to play certain "riddims" over and over with different people "toasting" over them. It was considered a "underground" culture because the mainstream culture was dance balls modeled on European ballroom dancing. And because it was underground and based on freestyle imporovisational lyrics, it also became an element that promoted anti-colonial sentiments, also seen in the early Bob Marley Rastafarian era. And by that time it had become distinct from American R&B all stemming from the same African griot and improvisational roots. And when you talk early 80s dance hall the epitome is yellowman and yes, some of these jamaicans in this era were "rapping" as part of that "underground" grassroots culture. Also, on the military tradition, the origin of cadence calling is said by the army to originate with African Americans in traditions like work songs used in prison chain gangs and the gandy dancers working on the railroads. And in Louisiana elements of the Louisiana tradition can be seen in the various African masquerade traditions such as the Igbo Masquerades which are also the root of the musical traditions developed by Africans across the Americas, the Caribbean and Latin America such as samba.
1:48:11 Sounds alot like Amapiano right now in South Africa, ,,,, ngiyabonga for the lecture Mfowethu (brother) in Zulu is @KRS ONE 'wrong' when he says Sedgwick Avenue in NY is the 'headquarters' of Hip Hop= ASE
This was a great presentation. I knew of this, not about Congo Square, The military bands during the American Revolutionary War. I figured Haiti had something to do with the Jazz culture of NOLA. I definitely feel you about this silly stupid arguing and debate. 🤦🏿♂ We black people need to get back to "Musicianship"... Thats why i love the movie "Drumline". That movie is a perfect example of our true energetic potential. I have family on my fathers side from Louisiana, not so much New Orleans, but I know little bit. One important I want to include, even though Reggae did not birth Hip-Hop, Reggae music plays a big roll in being influential for 80's Hip-Hop. Reggae started between 1966-68, after Ska in Jamaica. I think there need to be livestream on the topic of Reggae. & Reggae is just like Funk, a combination of Jazz, Blues, bebop, and Rhythm and Blues. Its just has the island style, which has its musical element origins from Africa. Ultimately, our people are just "Rhythmic People". There will always be something different in our rhythmic style. "What has been done will be done again, there is nothing new under the sun". . .
Hmm..great research Asar but we must consider 'Gary Byrd's' of WLBS New York, on the origin of Afro American music, Kongo was only one place where we fused our many different contributions.
I think your forgetting that hip hop didn't start anything it just took a bunch of things that already existed and when mixed together it was called hip hop jazz and R&B are not the same genera of music as hip hop and you know that. And poetry predates the english languge so if your going to say all this then can't you claim that hip hop is older than america as a nation and 1000s of years older really but that does not make sense if were talking about hip hop we are talking about hip hop as we know it today witch started in the 1970s in new york otherwise you've missed me
Great presentation! Although you didn't show the synchronization of all 4 elements as a movement called hip-hop! You can't separate the elements! that's like separating 2 parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen. You also didn't touch on the dress, and the B-Boy and B-girl which is a essential part of Hip-hop
Louisiana Creoles exist, they speak Kouri-Vini (completely different language from Haitian Creole) and have been in New Orleans since 1706, over 100 years before 5834 French white/biracial Saint Dominque’s came with 3000 enslaved people to an already existing large French influenced population where they were integrated. There was already a large population of Yoruba, Fulbe, Mina, Wolof, Congo people in Louisiana before 1804 and to suggest that they didn’t have any culture until a few people from Saint Domingue showed up over 100 years later in 1809 is absolutely not true. The historian for the state of Louisiana Christophe Landry Ph.D, rejects this narrative “Haitians Did Not Create Louisiana’s Creole Culture Or People” And Buddy Bolden is credited for creating jazz and he is NOT Haitian and funk was developed in Dayton Ohio with Sly and the Family Stone playing a major role.
Clyde Stubblefield born in Chattanooga Tennessee. Jabo Starks born in Mobile Alabama. The two drummers on James Brown's biggest funk hits which were the primary samples of early hip hop music. That's The South! Stubblefield the Funky Drummer was influenced by hearing the drummers in PARADES. I just got that info from Wikipedia. Paraphrased of course
And jabo starks from watching Mardis gras parades. This is what the detractors don't understand. The foundation of New York Hip Hop is southern street jazz music.
@@AsarImhotep for sure. Been saying that a while about the music portion of Hip Hop culture. When you listen to the music it's all funk, soul, blues and jazz. All southern music. James Brown and Bobby Byrd were Georgia boys. I didn't know about the other elements. I actually thought that B Boying came from African/Afro-Latino martial arts styles but never looked it up to look for evidence. Besides lookership.
You obviously didn't watch the video where that was debunked and proven that the Jamaican block party, sound-system culture comes from African-Americans from the south.
I hope you know your reasons is a very very very very very very very very stupid one. Thee audacity thinking you have a point an don't. Your claim is not strong enough stop it . If you trying to discredit NY be interesting about it not long and boring dude The Hate is Real Dam
This understanding of what is Hip Hop and it's elements, is a direct response to the popular yet INCORRECT understanding of what Hip Hop actually is, hence the logic of this may seem sound, but outside of the context of this logic, there is a Truth, that hasn't been widely used, known, or accepted about the who's, what's, when, how's and why's of the attitude/behaviors that led to what is actually the correct history of Hip Hop and the elements attached to Hip Hop. I would suggest everyone check out @MichealWayneTv and Dj Phase for a deeper understanding.
Atop that, when one fully fathom that, as KRS, pointed out, that Hip Hop, is an attitude, behaviors and or a character that producers the elements of Hip Hop i.e., rap, breaking, graffiti, dressing, Dj etc. It's understood ( or should be) that these elements already existed, however what make these elements Hip Hop is the Character, or the PARTICULAR verve infused into these elements that now allow them to be called Hip Hop. So " Jams" can actually be a jazz term/concept, but when " jams" had a different connotation hence, a different context and content, different energy the " Jams" are no longer a jazz thing, it's whatever the newly established character of the concept is.
I'm currently at 1:22:40. This is why I initially stated, your pushed back is against the fallacy of Hip Hop, not Hip Hop, a kind of straw man ( since you're attacking the misunderstood version of what Hip Hop is). The argument about did Cool Herc or Jamaicans start hip hop been exploded. The truth had revealed that to be false, but you are arguing against the popular yet INCORRECT understanding of what Hip Hop is.
In general, I do understand the layout presented as it pertains to jazz was the forefather and foremother to a lot of different music/sounds. I get that! Still, the formation of Hip Hop, using genetic material from jazz musical elements, and other elements for other parts of Hip Hop, was formed in a particular setting because of particular reason, and that character was then infused into rapping, dj, breaking, dressing, graffiti, snapping etc.
1:48:11 Sounds alot like Amapiano right now in South Africa, ,,,, ngiyabonga for the lecture Mfowethu (brother) in Zulu is @KRS ONE 'wrong' when he says Sedgwick Avenue in NY is the 'headquarters' of Hip Hop= ASE
Peace and blessings. Thank you very much for watching this video and for your commentary. To answer your question, yes KRS-1 is wrong on that point. I would encourage you to look up Michael Wayne TV on CZcams. He interviews the real pioneers of New York Hip Hop (NYHH) who argue against that. Saying NYHH started in the year(s) 70-71, before Kool Herc even got on the scene. IN regards to Amapiano, that is because Jazz > Second Line > gave rise to House music, which came to South Africa and blended with local sounds and now we have Amapiano.
So glad to see the South speaking up about this. The Puerto Rican community in the Bronx have claimed hip hop as Bronx Culture and you see Latin kids listed as creators along with black kids, in already established Culture. It's now in museums this way. I hope the South continues to speak more. DJ Mario is one of the ones who they never speak about only a few, because he taught the people recieving credit and he came from S.Carolina..
See . . . Thank you for watching and for your commentary. Appreciate it greatly.
Excellent… I’m nyc native with roots in the south. Miss, South Carolina, New Orleans and Haiti. Thx i learner so much and I will rewatch and share.
Yes from the south. Hip hop should only be done by African Americans. Professional rappers should be initiated like any other African system. It was supposed to be a foundation for creating our culture. It’s not about being a star. We should sleep rap, breath rap. Put respect on the south, put some respect on New Orleans
I have always thought that you were kongolese but being African american you are powerful bro
I appreciate the love. Respect! And thank you for watching.
@@AsarImhotep my brother , can you help me find the real bantu name for king akhnaton ?
We found out that the queen mother tiye which in bantu is tuye fought slavery and won but they manage to make her son married a mixed woman since the kemit did not married outside of the black race. And hence name her grandchild tetukamuna or later tuntakamun meaning the truth shall be revealed about the reality of who we were because the white that we fought against wanted to change history
Thank you
Great presentation. Hip Hop definitely has its roots in the south. I believe following the civil war and up until the first great migration 90% of Black people lived in the South. All of the elements existed prior to the 1970s but I think NY is the place where it all came together. The finished product. That's what Hip Hop is based on even being a Black American we take something that exists already and flipping it. The way we wear jeans, addidas , hats or the way we take old songs and remake them. Or take words and give them new meaning. Playing records then scratching them or screwing them.
Louisiana in the house!!!!
I was wondering if Pigmeat was gonna be brought up👍🏾 Definitely a catalyst towards hip hop. That can’t be denied.
Very interesting about Congo Square!
This is not coincidence. When growing up in Africa in Burundi, we loved Music from DRC Congo.
In Africa, We all knew the most talented Africans when it comes to music, and Great Musicians, were Congolese people to this day.
And it is well-known many Africans who came to these shores, during slavery, came from DRC Congo.
The kingdoms in the region now called drc
Excellent inspiring review and summary. SaluteThat!
I don't think you fully appreciate the breakthrough that "turntableism" represented.
It did emerge from necessity, but it seemed to have distilled the genre further into it's more recognisable, or distinct, form.
It always struck me as a tremendously ingenious feat that they managed to create a musical instrument from an appliance designed for the enjoyment of music.
My grandfather Cuban jazz artist, he would always say he first heard a guy rhyming over jazz beats in New Orleans in the 1940s.
Peace Brother! You should write a book on Hip Hop concerning it’s origin and science.
Peace and blessings. I intend to when I have time.
thank you so much brother!!!
You're welcome and thank you for watching. There is more to come.
Yes they do!!! Lot of their fav artist and scholars have southern roots
Indeed
LOVE
My uncle has been a DJ for at least 40yrs and his name is “DJ Def Jam”
All of it goes back to Africa, including guitar music which originated with the Spanish guitar, which derived from the Moorish/African lute, in colonial states before Fender and the American guitar.
Important notes people don't point out, the Mills Brothers video shows "human beat boxing" which is part of the acapella tradition which goes way back even before records. It is part of the "culture" that evolved in rural areas by blk people and others entertaining themselves by playing their own music, sometimes on homemade instruments (and was later stolen/exploited with the rise of the record industry). Also note the Caravan video also shows the evolution of the African circle dance from the South into the line dance which became popularized with Soul Train.
But above all else, it must be pointed out that this seeming "lack of understanding" of the history is a deliberate effort by the record industries and corporations. Because blk people should be the ones maintaining and keeping track of their own history of these things that they created, but unfortunately many don't see that as a priority. So the system is allowed to de-Africanize and distort that history as part of a larger effort to isolate and further indoctrinaate blk people.
As for Jamaica, the rise of dancehall was a parallel evolution of a "culture" among Jamaican youth where they would go to these "dancehalls" and begin to play certain "riddims" over and over with different people "toasting" over them. It was considered a "underground" culture because the mainstream culture was dance balls modeled on European ballroom dancing. And because it was underground and based on freestyle imporovisational lyrics, it also became an element that promoted anti-colonial sentiments, also seen in the early Bob Marley Rastafarian era. And by that time it had become distinct from American R&B all stemming from the same African griot and improvisational roots. And when you talk early 80s dance hall the epitome is yellowman and yes, some of these jamaicans in this era were "rapping" as part of that "underground" grassroots culture.
Also, on the military tradition, the origin of cadence calling is said by the army to originate with African Americans in traditions like work songs used in prison chain gangs and the gandy dancers working on the railroads.
And in Louisiana elements of the Louisiana tradition can be seen in the various African masquerade traditions such as the Igbo Masquerades which are also the root of the musical traditions developed by Africans across the Americas, the Caribbean and Latin America such as samba.
1:48:11 Sounds alot like Amapiano right now in South Africa, ,,,,
ngiyabonga for the lecture Mfowethu (brother) in Zulu
is @KRS ONE 'wrong' when he says Sedgwick Avenue in NY is the 'headquarters' of Hip Hop= ASE
This was a great presentation. I knew of this, not about Congo Square, The military bands during the American Revolutionary War. I figured Haiti had something to do with the Jazz culture of NOLA. I definitely feel you about this silly stupid arguing and debate. 🤦🏿♂ We black people need to get back to "Musicianship"... Thats why i love the movie "Drumline". That movie is a perfect example of our true energetic potential. I have family on my fathers side from Louisiana, not so much New Orleans, but I know little bit.
One important I want to include, even though Reggae did not birth Hip-Hop, Reggae music plays a big roll in being influential for 80's Hip-Hop. Reggae started between 1966-68, after Ska in Jamaica. I think there need to be livestream on the topic of Reggae. & Reggae is just like Funk, a combination of Jazz, Blues, bebop, and Rhythm and Blues. Its just has the island style, which has its musical element origins from Africa.
Ultimately, our people are just "Rhythmic People". There will always be something different in our rhythmic style. "What has been done will be done again, there is nothing new under the sun". . .
just call this a lecture on the history of african music no need to argue over slang origins in tribalistic fashion
Hmm..great research Asar but we must consider 'Gary Byrd's' of WLBS New York, on the origin of Afro American music, Kongo was only one place where we fused our many different contributions.
I think your forgetting that hip hop didn't start anything it just took a bunch of things that already existed and when mixed together it was called hip hop jazz and R&B are not the same genera of music as hip hop and you know that. And poetry predates the english languge so if your going to say all this then can't you claim that hip hop is older than america as a nation and 1000s of years older really but that does not make sense if were talking about hip hop we are talking about hip hop as we know it today witch started in the 1970s in new york otherwise you've missed me
Great presentation! Although you didn't show the synchronization of all 4 elements as a movement called hip-hop! You can't separate the elements! that's like separating 2 parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen. You also didn't touch on the dress, and the B-Boy and B-girl which is a essential part of Hip-hop
Boot camp clique
Asar this is good working hypothesis with evidence 👍🏾
Louisiana Creoles exist, they speak Kouri-Vini (completely different language from Haitian Creole) and have been in New Orleans since 1706, over 100 years before 5834 French white/biracial Saint Dominque’s came with 3000 enslaved people to an already existing large French influenced population where they were integrated. There was already a large population of Yoruba, Fulbe, Mina, Wolof, Congo people in Louisiana before 1804 and to suggest that they didn’t have any culture until a few people from Saint Domingue showed up over 100 years later in 1809 is absolutely not true. The historian for the state of Louisiana Christophe Landry Ph.D, rejects this narrative “Haitians Did Not Create Louisiana’s Creole Culture Or People”
And Buddy Bolden is credited for creating jazz and he is NOT Haitian and funk was developed in Dayton Ohio with Sly and the Family Stone playing a major role.
Not, Congolese slaves people created jazz in Congo square not Yoruba square or mande square
Clyde Stubblefield born in Chattanooga Tennessee. Jabo Starks born in Mobile Alabama. The two drummers on James Brown's biggest funk hits which were the primary samples of early hip hop music. That's The South! Stubblefield the Funky Drummer was influenced by hearing the drummers in PARADES. I just got that info from Wikipedia. Paraphrased of course
And jabo starks from watching Mardis gras parades. This is what the detractors don't understand. The foundation of New York Hip Hop is southern street jazz music.
If you pay attention to funky drummer, the break is just hbcu band music. czcams.com/video/QXw6YZltKJk/video.html
@@AsarImhotep for sure. Been saying that a while about the music portion of Hip Hop culture. When you listen to the music it's all funk, soul, blues and jazz. All southern music. James Brown and Bobby Byrd were Georgia boys. I didn't know about the other elements. I actually thought that B Boying came from African/Afro-Latino martial arts styles but never looked it up to look for evidence. Besides lookership.
Smfh
HIP HOP AND RAP STARTED IN JAMAICA...FROM THE SOUND SYSTEMS IN THE 30'S AND 40'S..FACTS
You obviously didn't watch the video where that was debunked and proven that the Jamaican block party, sound-system culture comes from African-Americans from the south.
@@AsarImhotep but he said FACTS tho. That means it's true beyond refute right?
But u had even Jamaicans they self said & admitted that they didn’t had sound systems during that time 😧😧😧😧😬😬
That’s false…
I hope you know your reasons is a very very very very very very very very stupid one.
Thee audacity thinking you have a point an don't.
Your claim is not strong enough stop it .
If you trying to discredit NY be interesting about it not long and boring dude
The Hate is Real Dam
This understanding of what is Hip Hop and it's elements, is a direct response to the popular yet INCORRECT understanding of what Hip Hop actually is, hence the logic of this may seem sound, but outside of the context of this logic, there is a Truth, that hasn't been widely used, known, or accepted about the who's, what's, when, how's and why's of the attitude/behaviors that led to what is actually the correct history of Hip Hop and the elements attached to Hip Hop. I would suggest everyone check out @MichealWayneTv and Dj Phase for a deeper understanding.
I suggest you finish watching the video and not stopping at the KRS 1 section....
Atop that, when one fully fathom that, as KRS, pointed out, that Hip Hop, is an attitude, behaviors and or a character that producers the elements of Hip Hop i.e., rap, breaking, graffiti, dressing, Dj etc. It's understood ( or should be) that these elements already existed, however what make these elements Hip Hop is the Character, or the PARTICULAR verve infused into these elements that now allow them to be called Hip Hop. So " Jams" can actually be a jazz term/concept, but when " jams" had a different connotation hence, a different context and content, different energy the " Jams" are no longer a jazz thing, it's whatever the newly established character of the concept is.
@@AsarImhotep yes I'm just commenting as I go along
I'm currently at 1:22:40. This is why I initially stated, your pushed back is against the fallacy of Hip Hop, not Hip Hop, a kind of straw man ( since you're attacking the misunderstood version of what Hip Hop is). The argument about did Cool Herc or Jamaicans start hip hop been exploded. The truth had revealed that to be false, but you are arguing against the popular yet INCORRECT understanding of what Hip Hop is.
In general, I do understand the layout presented as it pertains to jazz was the forefather and foremother to a lot of different music/sounds. I get that! Still, the formation of Hip Hop, using genetic material from jazz musical elements, and other elements for other parts of Hip Hop, was formed in a particular setting because of particular reason, and that character was then infused into rapping, dj, breaking, dressing, graffiti, snapping etc.
1:48:11 Sounds alot like Amapiano right now in South Africa, ,,,,
ngiyabonga for the lecture Mfowethu (brother) in Zulu
is @KRS ONE 'wrong' when he says Sedgwick Avenue in NY is the 'headquarters' of Hip Hop= ASE
Peace and blessings. Thank you very much for watching this video and for your commentary. To answer your question, yes KRS-1 is wrong on that point. I would encourage you to look up Michael Wayne TV on CZcams. He interviews the real pioneers of New York Hip Hop (NYHH) who argue against that. Saying NYHH started in the year(s) 70-71, before Kool Herc even got on the scene. IN regards to Amapiano, that is because Jazz > Second Line > gave rise to House music, which came to South Africa and blended with local sounds and now we have Amapiano.