How Japanese People Learn Japanese // KANJI Edition!
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"if a textbook has furigana that's all the students read and skip over the kanji"
Y-YOU CAUGHT ME
yuta's smile heals me
Learn your radicals you lazy
Me.
@@BubJeans why i'm the one who got the damage of this 😭
Man I did this untill I became fluent and now I have all the kanji to learn TT
I feel so stupid omg..
Old students for the win! I can't see that tiny sht anyway.
dude you know youre FLUENT AF in a language when you can make puns in it.
lynda y KANJI desune
I ended up dreaming in Esperanto. It's a bitter dream that enough people will speak in it anyway.
i can make some puns in japanese but like, I suck at it;-;
I wish I could make puns in japanese but I'm not Nippun.
And when you pronounce Hamburger with Japanese phonology
As a Japanese, I don't know(or have forgotten) why I can read and write kanji
Exactly, when I was kid, I wrote kanji again and again as homework of elementary school, but I had knew some kanji before I was taught at school
Of course I was surrounded only Japanese so I guess I memorized naturally, but it feels a little strange lol
中山健太郎 I’m Chinese. Writing kanji is more of an intuition for me. When I’m planning to write something down, I feel like the corresponding kanji just pops up in my head, along with the procedure of writing them (like the strikes). When I started learning Japanese, I found it super easy to memorize kanji, since I’ve seen nearly all of them before somewhere, so I just need to memorize their pronunciation. However, being good at kanji can sometimes be a drawback actually. When I want to type something in Japanese, I usually think of the kanji first, and it goes before the actual pronunciation of the words. Also, I tended to use kanji that are not quite commonly used by you guys, like 沢山, but it’s not a problem now lol. I’d say kanji is hard, but is also a good invention haha.
@@k_wang64 Semantic memory, on the other hand, is a more structured record of facts, meanings, concepts and knowledge about the external world that we have acquired. It refers to general factual knowledge, shared with others and independent of personal experience and of the spatial/temporal context in which it was acquired. Semantic memories may once have had a personal context, but now stand alone as simple knowledge. It therefore includes such things as types of food, capital cities, social customs, functions of objects, vocabulary, understanding of mathematics, etc. Much of semantic memory is abstract and relational and is associated with the meaning of verbal symbols.
T0M thanks bro!
in american school we did a lot of kanji idk why
nakayama
"you're just reading the furigana on top"
I STOPPED DOING THAT I PROMISE
do you speak japanese now
@@user-to8cj1rd5z probably. i just finished memorizing hiragana. wish me luck lol.
@@fwjadeee wow. Best of luck buddy. I just learned the a, i, u, e, o that's it. Wish me best of luck too.
@@fwjadeee It's been 1 month, how did it go? Did you get better at it? Just curious.. hehe.
By the way, I finished learning Hiragana, Idk why but it just feels like I've accomplished something amazing lol.
@@ItzMeKarizma oh yea, i mastered hiragana and katakana, i know about 10 kanji and around 40 words. i havent really been practicing and havent wrote in japanese since that original comment i made (a month ago), which shows that you can probably master 150 (in kana, kanji comes later) in a month at the very least with practice.
I'm so guilty of the furigana thing 😂 I wish I wasn't, but all the texts in the textbook we use at uni are so full of furigana, it's so hard to avoid. I think I'm going to start covering the furigana with a sheet of paper to stop myself from cheating haha 😂
Yes, probably use a sheet of paper to cover them. I had the same problem while reading children books in japanese. Slowed down my reading speed but learned lots of kanji and didn’t even forget them! Kanji challenge: Carry a notebook and write every new kanji for 1 week every day on 1 page. Second week every second day and 3rd week every third day.
You won’t need to look them up at any time. 頑張ってください！
It's so much easier to avoid looking at furigana if you don't need to when they add it BELOW the word. My brain naturally wants to start reading from the top, so it doesn't matter how well I know a word if furigana has been placed above it...
ravenclvw I know there are books (or you could even do this yourself) where the furigana is written in red writing, and the book comes with a sheet of clear red plastic. So when you cover the page you're studying with the redplastic, you can't see the red furigana writing :) but you can remove the sheet to check you were right
@@skinny0408 tsutekudasai!
1:42 pretty impressed you managed to get that pun to work in English too... nice
Emily Eckard Haha, you caught that! I was so unabashedly proud of myself when I translated that😅👼.
? It was Japanese
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Kevin Scales ohhhh
What is a pun?
When I was taught Japanese in college we went the classic Japanese method of “just write it until you memorize it.” Stories to memorize it? Nope. Them trying to teach you radicals? Nope. Just hand cramps from those Genki workbooks
Oh please, don't remind me of those workbooks
I ve downloaded worbooks - Minna no nihongo. Lets see what happens. I learn kanji by the same method, write write write. But they are so many, either i forget after some while or i mix them up.
She speaks really well!! Its a motivation to me for just starting and can only carry very light phrases. One day I'll be speaking as you. Thankyou!
How that going for u its been a year
I can read Japanese relatively well after three years and it's all because of wanikani. Sure, you don't learn how to write the kanji, but wanikani organizes the order in which you learn the 2000 kanji Japanese high schoolers need really efficiently, gives you lots of quizzes, and you can learn writing on your own much more easily.
vesterpop wanikani is awesome and you don't really need to write kanji nowadays, except cases you do paperwork in like banks or something.
@@HaohmaruHL Is it free? Or is it subscription based?
@@silentmat2029 I Googled & see it is free until level 4👍 knowledge.wanikani.com/getting-started/payment-and-billing/wanikani/wanikani-free/
@@BoltRM Alright, thank you!
How do Japanese people learn Japanese? That's a simple answer: they dedicate at least 9 years of their lives learning it.
From a linguistics perspective, there's actually no real dedication. In linguistics, we call "learning" one's native language acquisition as there's no real "effort" put forth by the speaker to actively learn their language. Learning kanji might border more on active learning for even native Japanese speakers, but even then there's an element of acquisition because they are surrounded by it all their lives that it's just easier for a native speaker to "acquire" kanji than any non-native speaker.
Nicholas Jaikaran acually, if you never learned english its way easier too learn japanese, because learning english makes u per ounce some letters differently and that can be a problem if your learning japanese, example: english ppl think its hard saying the japanese letters like “Ra” or “Ru” because they per ounce it diffrently. So yeah its easier too learn japanese if its not your native language
@@NikoDraws but if you know atleast like 2 more languages, it's definitely easier to learn japanese too. Especially if one of those languages is similar to japanese pronunciation, like ka ki ku ke ko. In my country it's ka ke ki ko ku, but it's definitely not that hard to adapt. The only thing that's abit uncomfortable at first is the difference of いい(ii) and ええ(ee), because when you know english it kinda messes up your pronunciation if you're not comfortable enough. Knowing english as far as I'm concerned definitely makes it harder for you to know japanese, especially if it's your native language.
HoneyBee シ this not the case for everybody js
@@NikoDraws SoME PeOpLE cAn BarEly sPeaK EnGlisH shut up nerd
I just wanted to learn how to read kanji because I cannot read them in mangas of my favorite Artists lmao.
Glad I found this useful channel recommendation
Same
I felt so happy I understood two full sentences at the beginning.. It's an amazing feeling!
My japanese husband and i are watching your videos. He said that you are good in speaking in japanese. Loving your videos!!!
Having tried both the "story remembering method" and the "look at kanji and remember it" method, I have to say - maybe, when starting out, the 'story' thing works out, at least for remembering the radicals, but as soon as you have the radicals down, just.. looking at the kanji and remembering the vocabulary that goes along with it is more than good enough. You need to train your pattern recognition to recognize the radicals as logical elements, and then remembering them from just seeing it isn't too hard.
Compare to English. If you don't really know latin script, remembering "birthday" is super hard, but if you can easily read it, it isn't hard to remember that sequence of characters, because the information has been broken down into logical components rather than visual information.
hey cool i actually understood the whole thing without subtitles, guess i didn't waste 6 years learning japanese for nothing
haha when he brought up the furigana i felt that. I relied on that too much and still do cuz for the life of me kanji is a pain
日本人でさえ漢字覚えるの大変なんだから、外国人が覚えるのが大変なのはあたりまえだろうな。
Your japanese is so impressive. I'm learning japanese but I started with the hiragana and katakana. I thought this would be the way which makes tge most sense. Hope I was right .
Nice video btw
ok first off hes SUPER HOT! and secondly this was very invaluable and I loved it!!!! very interesting!!!
Kel Preston oh my god, right!?!? 😅😅
He's so attractive 😍 his voice tho
Haha, he's great teacher too😃💪!!!
riiight
loool I saw this comment coming
I've watched and understood all the video with only the Japanese subtitles this is my personal victory of the day ha ha
私は今アメリカに留学している日本人の大学三年生です。英語を学ぶのも苦戦するけど、日本語覚える方が絶対難しいなって思います。
この動画をみて、小学生の頃はたくさん漢字ノートの宿題や漢字ドリルをやっていたことを思い出しました。。本当にめんどくさかったけど、あれが大事だったんだなぁって思いました。
When I was in Japan, I found weblio to be super great. When you look up words, you can find example sentences that the word is used in, so you can kind of check to make sure the context is right. I don't remember how much of the site is in English though...
After a year and a half studying I gave it a full on try without English subtitles, but with Japanese ones (gotta do that since I'm partially deaf, plus it's also a reading exercise too) and I understood about 90% of the video. I feel accomplished now and I can go to sleep blissfully happy :')
Sweetest of dreams!!!
as a non-native, learning japanese is like learning 2 languages at the same time....japanese and chinese lol.
Wooow I was surprised to see Akki in this video!!! Great video❤
Once I started studying Japanese with kanji only and no furigana I started learning lots of kanji super fast! I always make sure to learn vocab with its kanji and man you pick up so much. It adds context too, and I recognize it in other places and can guess its meaning. Kanji is so fun. Thanks for the video and the recs!
Tialiq may i know do you mean you studied the kanji through novel ? I am starting to dive in kanji but really don’t know where to start 😅
@@blueberryice7290 hey! No I mean I studied sources with only kanji. Like, when I used lingodeer I set it to only show kanji and no furigana. I followed Tae Kim's guide which only uses kanji. I only used anki decks with kanji. If you wanna learn kanji it's definitely the way to go! It takes longer but you're learning more things so that's okay. Good luck!
Aw thank you for this video. Akkie sensei is so cute!! I’m definitely going to check out his channel and figure out a way to go back to japan and STAY. I loved it there and didn’t wanna return to my home country.
whats your home country?
This is pretty interesting! I’ll definitely look into those apps. Honestly, this kinda reminds me how I first started learning Japanese with Yu-Gi-Oh cards in Japanese, haha.
Unrelated: you look like a cuter Uzo Aduba :O
I can definitely agree with what they're saying. What I'm doing right now is I picked up a manga and I'm trying to translate it sentence by sentence. It does have furigana, but it's just a matter of self control that the first time you read the sentence you ignore it. The second time you read with furigana. And then write the sentence (see if you can guess the stroke order). Then look up the words and kanji used (make sure to look up the proper stroke order and use it) and now that you can write them individually on the side. If there might be any particles you don't know or are unsure of (or maybe it's using a meaning you don't recall. Like perhaps /ka/ which is used as both a question marker and as a way to say "this or that") make sure to get those too. Then try to translate the sentence in sections (I recommend generally breaking it up by going until the next particle). Now Google translate isn't perfect, but it can let you know if you're on the right track most of the time. So just write it into the translator and see if what you got was similar to what Google said. If it's similar, you're definitely doing well! If not... Well try to delete different parts of the sentence to see what your mistake was. If it was in the use of a particular word then that word may have a connotation to it that isn't expressed by a simple definition and requires a bit more explanation. A good example I learned recently was the difference between /daisuke/ and /aishiteru/. (Basically /aishiteru/ is MUCH more intense and should only be used for something like a proposal. When in doubt, /daisuke/.
My favorite resource for kanji learning by FAR is WaniKani. Though it's not free, I still feel entirely worth the price. It teaches as you described, with stories and mnemonics, for both the meaning and reading. I've learned more through them than anywhere else. It's unfortunate that this method isn't more used. In college, we did it as Akkie described, just writing it over and over, which didn't lead to anything for me and left me frustrated. Great video though! I laughed really hard at the furigana part, where's the lie? XD
Agreed Wanikani is very helpful by not only the stories and such but also the spaced repetition software incorporated into it. However, for no cost at all you can find free PDF's of "Remembering the Kanji" online which is similar, but of course lacks spaced repetition, so if you don't have proper diligence then it won't be nearly as useful. Also, I have a major complaint about wanikani, it will not teach you all in JLPT order, but it will throw in kanji that you may not see in forever before learn the more common ones (ya know cuz everyone wants to learn words like 農民 (lvl 10) before learning 机 (lvl 32)).
WK was my first experience with SRS, and I love it! :D You could always put information into programs like Anki, which have their own built in SRS system, and it's free. I'm actually okay with it not teaching in JLPT order, but I can understand that being frustrating.
Littlest Lynch my problem with RTK is that you don't learn any readings or vocabulary to contextualize the kanji. What's the use of recognizing them if you can't read or understand them?
Piper Aislinn i use wanikani. they do have example sentences though... not that i actually look at those lol. i just kinda use it to recognize kanji. context and readings can come from reading actual japanese material.
i can't say wanikani's the best since i've only tried anki and wanikani but not anything else. i think anki's great but i don't feel that engaged using it.
my only issue with wanikani is how you can't make it go faster. on anki, i can do more than the daily amount if i feel like it. sometimes i open anki just to do a few more reps after anki to scratch the itch.
but now i'm just sticking on the wanikani schedule and using the rest of my free time to learn grammar and read native material (manga+light novels). i realized that focusing too much on memorizing kanji wasn't the way to go, i guess.
i just started learning a few months ago, so i'm still trying to organize my study plan but i think i'm making okay progress. slow and steady :D
RTK isn't meant to be used alone, you should study vocabulary too. RTK is meant to teach you how to write and gives you the ability to recognize kanji which is really helpful when studying vocabulary.
That was really good to watch. Beginner self-learner here.
I'm in college and we have to learn everything in 3 years. 2 weeks just for Hiragana and Katakana, now we are already starting with Kanji. But I love it.
Oh jeez! I love akki. Found his chanel a while back and it's just one of my absolute favourite japanese language CZcams chanels! Much love to you both! ^^
あっきーさんの日本語はすごく分かりやすですね！
Me after a month of learning basic Japanese and Japanese etiquette:
IS THAT KEIGO I HEAR? MASU-KA? MASU-KA????
😱 I love your Japanese accent. It's beautiful I wish I could speak like you. Good video 😊
1+ years later I came to this video because I'm now a Japanese minor in university and even though in the beginner classes we only go over kana and grammar, I'm dreading having to learn kanji. I think if I were just learning Kanji I probably would've been okay with it, but my history with learning Chinese and learning Hanja for Korean at home has totally screwed my vocabulary and grammar over for Japanese lol.
What I've been doing recently is getting all the manga I love to read in Japanese and read the furigana along the top. When I see kanji I don't know, I write it down and try to guess what it is based on the context of the situation. Later on when I'm done with a chapter or a page I go back to all the kanji I didn't recognize, see if I got the meanings right or not, and then fix/change them if I was wrong! This has definitely been working for me so far~
4:44 ~ WOOOO this is exactly how i've been going about learning kanji and vocabulary in japanese, no wonder i've been progressing so fast! its so much more fun to learn in context (i use raw manga and anime, as well as japanese twitter and online articles~) thanks for the awesome video! and like everyone else said hes a freakin hottie. how do you find all these hot guys sheesh kemushi
2:00 This is close to the correct method for an adult (the method of Heisig's Remembering the Kanji) but if you're still forgetting many, it's because you shouldn't just make "stories", where you have some little phrase you associate with the pieces.....you need to really concentrate on a whole scene in your head that uses those pieces, a situation, where the meaning of the pieces are integrated into the scene. The first...say...30 pages of RTK is just an explanation of the method emphasizing that it needs to really be a scene that connects to your experience as deeply as possible, rather than just a mental "picture" or a catchphrase
As she mentions, if you just try to use pictures or one-off sentences, this starts to break down when you encounter similar characters. If you do the heisig method correctly, you start moving past seeing the components as strokes - they take on their own character and become units that you gain familiarity with, and then, in your mental imagery, these little cohesive units become much harder to mistake.
Can not agree more about the furigana I tried to get rid of it as soon as I could for most words (unless it’s like a name or has a special reading). It really sets you back on your learning and it’s so much easier to grasp the information without being distracted by the furigana. That’s my experience at least.
I'm so happy I found this channel. I'm trying to acquire Kansai-ben accent when I speak Japanese to fit in where I am . These videos are helpful! Thank you :)
More specifically about this video, I use furigana waaaay too often. I need to practice my radicals more often 😅
I like how I got an ad about iTalki before the video
Was I... In it?
Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course and you'll need nothing more to finally acquire you so desired literacy.
It takes the same concept of Heisig's RTK, but takes it to a whole new level, everyone should try it out, I've been studying it intensively for a bit over a month and have reached 1122 already with a really high retention factor. I'm pushing myself at a little crazy pace, but if you already have a decent Japanese language base it's totally doable. It requires a lot of discipline though
Akkie is adorable 😍
I just turned on the NHK world channel on tv and saw you. I was excited to see one of my favorite Japan youtubers this time. I wish my Japanese was as good as yours
That's like how we learnt Chinese too. Haha except when we really don't remember then the teacher usually tells the "Story" behind it. But I'm not sure if every single Chinese word has a meaning behind it anymore. Most of the words that had meaning were those traditional words.
5:48 that exactly what I needed to know about Japanese kids. Thanks.
I'll try to use that way of learning. Thanks.
He’s so cuuuuuute!!!
最近の日本人は漢字を読めるけど書けない人も多いよ私もだけど(笑)
貴方だけじゃない?普通の人は書ける
眠いzzzさん
毎日キーボード入力ばかりなので簡単な漢字でさえ書けない事もあります(笑)
Ten lost tribes.
分かります～。私もちょっとした漢字をあれ??って思い出せない時あります😅
本当にそう！年齢が上がれば上がるほど、読めるけど書けない漢字が増えていきます…
それな感じ読めるけどかけぬ
Thank you so much for this video! I have literally spent the last 2 hours trying to find the very simple answer to this question. You guys hit the nail on the head in 8 mins. Thank youuuu!!!
Best of luck to you! Here comes the hard part...
I'm so grateful that i know most kanji you need to know when learning japanese because i'm chinese
What a lovely conversation! Such a pleasure to watch you two 😊
漢字ってむずかしいですね、、
小学校の時はひたすら書いて覚えてました。
構造を考えて覚えるのは面白いです！
I never thought about learning Kanji in just the context it was in! That was life changing! Thanks!
you guys are changing lives
I found this video helpful, thank you. It was nice to get some affirmation that kanji should be memorized in context. Easier to remember that way.
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This is so cool! When I first came to this channel I spoke no Japanese and now after like 3 years I can follow what's being said! There's a few vocab gaps but I can understand. Omg this is so cool!
Yayyy! Glad to see the way I’m already going about it is probably going to be the easiest way. I’m learning kanji bit by bit but I’m also learning by just memorizing as I come across them
Wow your pronunciation is very good! I'm so jealous 😍
ありがとうございます！This is such a wonderful video - thank you both for taking the time to make it. I'm in university in the United States to get a Bachelor degree in Japanese language and culture, with the goal of being a translator. Since I've had barely any exposure to Japanese before a year ago (other than random anime ... etc.), I've got a big mountain to climb, but this video was incredibly helpful. Also, I'm working with a tutor on italki during my breaks from school to help prepare for the JLPT :)
You two are lovely people. Will definitely subscribe. I‘m just trying to learn japanese and i also think that learning kanji by reading texts and memorizing just those that you find in the text helps a lot :)
I feel like they would give really warm hugs
I memorize kanji quickly if there's a step by step stroke pattern guide. When I retrace the strokes with my own fingers or on my phone using the S-Pen, I'm able to effortlessly memorize it as well as quickly identify the radicals that make up the kanji. It's a kinesthetic learning style I suppose. What works for one person might not exactly work for another.
I use an app called Takaboto which is pretty much an offline Japanese dictionary that includes breakdown of the kanji as well as step by step stroke order and a lot of other stuff such as usage in a sentence. It's incredibly useful and you can also do a kanji search by radicals. It came in extremely handy right as I'm currently in Japan for vacation. I can easily look up kanji I don't recognize by inputting the radicals.
こんにちは! I’m learning Japanese and I want to know how people use katakana hiragana and kanji in the same sentence and if you have to learn all of the kanji
I just started learning as well.from what I know, Katakana is only used when saying foreign words like アメリカ and there are lots of kanji's because there are words that look the same in hiragana but have different meanings, so they use kanji to differentiate what the word is. I hope that helped at least a little bit
And as for learning all kanji it's impossible, there's over 10,000 XD
We just started learning kanji in my Japanese class, but we’re only learning how to use/pronounce it based on context. That way we just naturally integrate it into our writing because we’re learning how to apply it!
this video speaks the truth about learning kanji. i'm so grateful there are teachers out there that realise what works for japanese kids, don't necessarily work for foreign adults.
I always think of this! Thanks for the video
My brain doesn’t really work with mnemonics, sadly. Rote memorization and SRS systems like Anki are the only ways I can remember things.
LOL when he talked about learning from dictionaries, which is what I do to learn kanji, I really felt identified. My Japanese teachers have told me before I am very lyrical, or that I use words too complex TT and I get it, but at the same time it's difficult to know when something is used and when not
my really weird method, is that every time i learn a new word, i try to remember its kanji as well, or just save the image of how it looks like, and that's how i get rid of the readings. and if I learn a word with a kanji previously seen, i only have to memorize how to write the others, or sometimes the word comes with kanjis i already know. i've never forgotten a kanji so far, and i'm about to achieve one year and a half studying japanese.
私は高校で漢字検定という選択授業をとっていて、(2時間ひたすら漢字検定の過去問や2級、1級問題を解くだけ)私の後ろの席の子がアメリカから日本にホームステイをしに来た子なんですが、いつも苦戦しています。
教えてあげたいけど、漢字は教えるようなものではなくただただ暗記して覚えるしかないからどうしよう……と思ってました。
でもこの動画を見て、確かにそういう覚え方もあるのか！と気づけました👌明日この方法で教えてあげようと思います。ありがとうございます！
It's hard for me to learn the kanji without the furigana so I think it's useful especially since I am a begginer. It helps me memorise the kanji. And the on yomi and kun yomi.
I also like that, in Japan, there are short stories to review all of the kanji of a particular elementary school grade level. All of the kanji learned that year are included in words within the story. You can find some of them by searching Amazon Japan for the number 1006. Once you find a book you want to buy, you can copy its ISBN to another online bookstore that you want to buy it from, such as AbeBooks. An example of a book that includes all 6 years in one book is ISBN 4780704421. There are also series that have one book per grade level--e.g. 4780711355. Of course, if you can find real schoolbooks (science, history, etc.) from each grade level, they also include those kanji. A lot of novels for older children are aimed at a particular grade level, and all of the new kanji have furigana, but kanji which should already be familiar often don't. The biggest difficulty in learning to read Japanese--for me, at least--is not the kanji, but the grammar. By the time I tried to read books for 4th graders (such as the Chronicles of Narnia translated into Japanese), the sentences are long and complex. From time to time, I study a lot of grammar, and then when I come back to these novels, they're a little easier to understand. Intermediate Japanese textbooks (such as Sura-Sura) introduce grammar which is commonly found in written form, so they're helpful, too.
Currently, I am using Heisig's "Remembering The Kanji" book to learn kanji to build a strong base for learning how to read. I only learn the meaning of the kanji and how to recognize and write it. Through mnemonics, I learn 25 kanji a day and use the spaced repetition system to remember them. I spend ~2 hours on studying and writing practice a day (no skipping days!). After 2 months, I know more than 50% of 常用漢字.
When I begin to learn to read, I'm going to be using the "top-down" method to learn pronunciation. Learning all the on-yomi and kun-yomi of a kanji seems, to me, to be the most time wasting and head-hurting thing in a language that already takes 1,000s of hours of study for fluency. I don't understand why some methods encourage that way of learning (looking at you wanikani).
areklml What is the top-down method?
Matt Agab did u even watch the video
Matt Agab The top-down method is learning the pronunciation of kanji as you encounter them in words. As opposed to learning all the pronunciations of a kanji at once. It's mentioned in the video
I need this book now, I don't have time to learn Kanji over a period of years lol. Thanks for sharing 👀
Chinese native here! We learn Hànzì with Bùshôu (bushu) too.
At my language school we have two books one for exercises and topics and the other one is about kanji, we have to write like 10 times and it helps. But I woul like to try learning with radicals, it looks interesting :)
I found Mango to be a very good app/ website for learning Japanese.
incase it helps someone , i learn japanese from a small new channel named - ASK YOUR SENSEI . she is super nice .
I’ve been learning Japanese for a year now and I only now 400 kanjis 😭
K LYFEE EPISODES wow i appreciate your patience
I feel like 400 is a pretty good number for only a year
auramaris yea I've been learning it for two years now and know 80, and I felt proud of myself. xd
That’s good😊
I started two months ago and I am at 340 kanjis. Well it probably depends upon how much time you spend on it. I studied during my holiday so I studied kanji from morning till evening for a whole month. So probably that's why I know that many.
Thanks for not having the subtitles harcoded on the video, I like to practice listening and sometimes the subtitles gets on the way :D
🤓 You know I know. Pst, new Akkie vid coming in a few about 24 hrs for your listening pleasure.
@@kemushichan Thanks!
For those reviewing/ remembering kanji, theres a free app called 小学生手書き漢字ドリル1006-はんぷく学習シリーズ that will show you the a word that's missing a character and you have to the write the kanji. It's a good app. I found this after watching a video from this video named Steph Choi, half japanese half Korean, and showed her younger brother using this app to study for his kanji test. This the elementary school level app. Theres also one for middle school and high school.
I always cover the furigana with a finger when reading
I guess I do tend to memorize kanji better from always seeing it written in twitter or video captions rather than memorizing kanji from books ><
I really want to read Japanese articles more fluently I guess I just need to read more and get used to the shape of the kanji?
Thanks for this informative video! It was really helpful 💕
I actually decided to start reading Japanese kids' books and Harry Potter was one of the first ones I found without issue. I've been stuck since I'm at the point where I need to immerse myself to learn more. I intended to get to Japan long before now. Still working on it :)
Duolingo works really well as a learning app, too.
Omg I literally asked for this a few minutes ago on your previous video 😱😱😱. 😭🙏🏼💕 thank you so much
Ok I'll stop reading furigana and skipping the kanji from now on haha 😵😵😂😂
When you commented I was like, "AHHHHHHHHHHH GOTTA SUBTITLE FASTER!!" Hahah.
KemushiChan ロレッタ thank you so much 💕💕
These are a great listening comprehensions. Hope to see more of these!
Wow that was a really great video! For some reason it was really peaceful while being informative. I also enjoyed your editing, I've never seen that before.
you two are both so pretty that it hurts. Thanks for the video![:
check out the tango risuto (list) app for reading practice without furigana
Thank you so much for this video! I actually find that even though its incredibly frustrating & slow paced to read large slabs of text when you don't know the kanji - when I do know the kanji or at least have some understanding of it, I begin to understand the context faster than if I were to try to sound out a word with furigana. I still rely on furigana way too much sometimes but this is just something interesting I've realised about how I absorb Japanese vocab ^^
My goal is be able to talk to Japanese native speakers as you do. People like you really inspire me. ^^
Your channel is extremely fun to watch! Totemo omoshiroi yooo! 😍😍😍😍😍
Furigana indeed won't help you shit with writing, but it's an invaluable tool for learning how to read kanji, especially if you're those kind of people that tend to devour lots of content just for fun. Sure, for textbooks and such (when you're supposed to sit down and work hard on it) it's better to just push yourself (although it's sorta tricky to figure out on-yomi and kun-yomi sometimes by oneself), but it's a good extra. It's a bit slow, but LOTS will just get absorbed naturally with little effort. When I took N3 with nearly no preparation beforehand, there were lots of kanji I could only remember from having read in manga or books with furigana.
I am learning Hiragana first and then katakana, I want to know at least all hiragana and katakana and then start a top down in context approach to learning to listen and hear japanese and also see and read and encounter common kanji.
What's fun for me is that I only do this because I like Japanese culture and the language is insanely complex and thus I find the challenge interesting.
Coming at this from a Latin script based mother tongue, I can see how weird it is to encounter a language with 2500 or so symbols you have to learn before you can be considered a fluent reader of Japanese. And we think we need to do that to get to where kindergarten kids who know their ABCs have to get to.
Then your brain resets after a while and you realize, clearly nobody learns 3500 or 1000 symbols before they start reading.
I'd like to see some japanese kids books. Probably they start with some hiragana and some basic kanji?
This was so interesting thank you!! I’m just starting to learn so it’s good to know not to rely on furigana... that had been my plan.... haha!😅😂
As a mandarin native, we used to practice repetitive vocabulary writing since primary school, it’s time consuming but truly works 🙂
I think the most important thing that was said in this video was to learn kanji when you come across them in reading, that way it doesn't seem overwhelming. There is this terrible idea that you should memorize 2,000 characters before you start reading anything in Japanese, which books like Heisig's do nothing to dispel. Then, when you start reading, you come across kanji that aren't in the Joyo kanji list, and it is frustrating. Or, you memorized 2 readings for each kanji, but the kanji is used for a really common word with an exceptional reading. Japanese people are surrounded by kanji everyday, so they have context clues about what kanji mean. They also already know the language, so they aren't memorizing random readings (except for the Kanji Kentei or if they are scholars of the language), they are associating characters with words they already know. They come across a kanji and say "Oh, so 正 is the 'sei' in 'seigi' 正義". Whereas, many foreigners try to memorize kanji and their readings without any context, and they fail. So, I would advise you to read and watch videos with Japanese captions as much as possible, so you can get some of the context clues that you are missing. It will be incredibly slow at first, but you will get better with practice. Also, when learning a new kanji, learn some common words that it is used in. And if you feel frustrated, remember that Japanese people take 12+ years to learn how to read their own language fluently.
Hey I had kanji classes in my elementary school. It depends on the school.
I am wondering if its good idea to learn japanese (so i understand everybody) and learn hiragana and katakana... And after all this i will learn kanji with japanese textbooks (that they use in japan). English is also not my mother language, so when i learn japanese with english... i always need to translate the word "twice" (Japanese > English > My language ) , if you know what i mean. So i wonder, if i learn perfect japanese without kanji and then after i understand i would learn kanji with japanese textbooks (so i would translate japanese to my language only once (Japanese > My language ) Thank you for answering :)
If you skip the kanji from the very beginning, I think it will take more time to actually learn. When you see a kanji in a sentence, you can quickly figure out what the subject, the verb etc.and you can also "guess" the meaning of words, cause kanji use radical, and even if you don't know that exact word you'll recognize the "family of the topic". Sorry about mistakes. English is not my first language
A good method I found is the book "remembering the kanji" . It really helps you. It doesn't teach you the sound of a kanji but the meaning.
Something just struck me, so I didn't know how to write my native language - Punjabi - as I learnt English in school but spoke Punjabi at home. I still suck at writing Punjabi, but after just few months of classes during 1st grade I learnt how to write Punjabi. I still take lots of time reading it but am eventually able to and thinking back just a few months of GRADE 1 enabled me to know how to write the language, just because I spoke it perfectly.
SO... the idea is first learn how to speak Japanese through audio files and texts that tells you what you're listening to (way more interesting than memorizing kanji), once you learn how to speak Japanese through listening and repeating (speaking). Learn how to write it! That way you're in the same boat as native speakers.
Does anything think this'd work ?
Harry I think it’d end up taking longer if we were to do it that way, natives are constantly surrounded with the language from the beginning so of course it’s easier for them to learn to write it. In my experience, to learn a foreign language, writing and talking in it is essential. So if we were to apply your theory for japanese I don’t think it’d be effective bc the longer you study kanji, the better it’s going to stick and the easier it’ll be for you to learn it ☺️