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Joseph Liebgott - Did Band of Brothers Get His Story right?
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
- Joseph Liebgott was a member of Easy Company 506th PIR. He was portrayed in Band of Brothers by Ross McCall. We have seen how mistakes were made with other men in the series.
A lot of vets joined motorcycle clubs after the war…not surprising. Great research.
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Great information. Godspeed Joseph Liebgott 🙏🙏
Thanks for listening
These are some crazy connections. Liebgott grew up close to the cities I grew up around the bay. Also his death is on my birthday. Truly fascinating. It’s sad to hear about his struggles during and after the war appreciate you being to light many untold stories about what most would consider legends
6 degrees of separation as they say.
As a retired soldier, I think the main reason everyone assumed Liebgott was Jewish- he never denied it.
Doing so more than likely got him off most Saturdays, and there is usually no training on Sundays........
Ha! Ha! Yeah. I can believe that!
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When he confirms the prisoner saying “Juden=Jews” in the series I almost keel over and die every time, so heartbreaking.
if you research the Holodomor and what the Jewish communists did to millions of Christians, you won't feel so bad.
I knew almost nothing about any of my grandfathers who fought in WW2. My elders who fought in Vietnam were more open about it. I'm glad for them. I was glad to talk to them. But I guess it wasn't that way with that generation. Bless them all!
Yet another HERO...rest in peace
His wife was beautiful
Thanks for sharing this mate…… one scene in the series which I did wonder if had happened was the final speech of the German general to his men and Liebgott’s translation to Winters…
It is almost incredible that some never share their experiences with their children or family. Just like in "The Victoria Cross: For Valour", fabulous storytelling by Jeremy Clarkson. (if you love BoB, you will love this docu) "...He never thought to mention it..." Major Cain never told his family he was awarded the Victoria Cross, they only found out after his death.
I really liked that documentary.
I had a Great Uncle in Operation Market Garden @ Arnhem; Great Uncle in Burma, another in the Pacific and captured, staying in a Japanese Prisoner of War camp; came home with a disability. He was was pushing 6ft 6 I believe but came back so stooped the rest of his life due to the poor cages he was kept in. Very little is known of my family during the War, they never talked about it.
Most would just want to forget and get on with their civilian lives. Totally understandable.
They found an actor who really looked like him
Wild Bill too
Did anyone ever think that Liebgott may have told everyone he was Jewish, so no one would question his Austrian background? Aslo I am sure he really wanted to prove his loyalty to the US in the way he treated the POWs.
Thank you for this. It explains a lot.
You're very welcome!
Gosh.. I wish I knew all of these men personally…
Sure would.. just be more swell.. 🙄
That's the San Joaquin Valley of California. Proud to know that he came here and found some solitude after the war.
Thanks for sharing. Love these videos.
Glad you like them!
Thanks for sharing these stories. The haircut was revealed. And his German translator.
Glad you enjoyed it
God Bless the memory of Liebgott
Loved his character. Kinda sad how the series just decided- or fabricated his ending, until his children told them otherwise. Still. Great series, with all the characters hero’s in my mind. Greatest generation this world has ever been privileged to have. 3:18
American Badass.. 100%
Semper Fi Joe
Rest in Peace
Veterans don't like to talk about things that went on in combat.
What they like to do - is tell jokes - or stories about stupid - weird things that happened or that people did.
The only time I can remember veterans talking about combat - was to other veterans - and then - to illustrate a point - like what a piece of shit the M-16 was.
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I’m an army combat vet. The only “veterans” who run around telling stories about deployments are most likely stolen valor or vastly exaggerating their stories.
My uncle was a navigator on a B-17. After the war, he worked as a blacksmith . He never talked of what he did and what he saw. As my mother put: “Jim just drank a lot, got in a lot of fights, and went to church.” When I got to know him he was a great guy and served as my introduction to photography with his Voightlander with a full set of interchangeable lenses. A good man.
I've tried to talk to civilians about it, but I can tell they don't get it. So I don't do it anymore. I thought if I talked about it enough, I could get it out of my system, but it's still there.
It might be understandable the misidentification of Liebgott as Jewish. Webster indicated Liebgott was Jewish in his book.
If I recall correctly, Liebgott was ethnically Jewish, his mother was of Jewish descent, though he was religiously Roman catholic
@@tenghiskhan2063 I just read something online that said both parents were Catholic
@@dodgermartin4895 they probably were, but one can be ethnically Jewish but religiously practice something else
@@tenghiskhan2063 Under Jewish tradition, the Jewish ethnicity flows through the maternal line. If your mother was Jewish then you are Jewish. If your father was Jewish and your mother was not, then you are not Jewish; Jewish "ethnicity" does apply to you. From what I understand, and i could be wrong, Liebgott was not "ethnically" Jewish. But we do know he was raised as a Roman Catholic.
Shows why Sobel didn't quite complete his full preparation of Easy...surely if they were as tight as they claimed to be- they would know who was of which religion- they (Guanerre) even thought Winters was a Quaker...
Dog tags were supposed to have had religion on them- that would be another bit of confirmation( get it 🌽 vs Bar Mizvah)😂😂
That is yet another small flaw in the accounts of servicemen- spun together without the Monday morning quarterback benefits we who watch BofBros saw...
As for him disappearing on return- the concentration/labour camp experience may well have been more mentally taxing on him than combat firefights😢
Glad his children got to find a kernel of truth about him and put things in perspective 🕊
not true some men cant stop speaking about faith and others take it very personally, im in the latter group..
no one i served with knew my specific faith
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For the civilians who see dog tags which are supposed to have details, including religion, on them- along with urinals and showers with exposed bodies...you telling me and the rest of us, that there was no way to have seen certain compelling evidence.
The Germans where alleged to have made POWs expose their organs to check for circumcision...
What makes this mix-up is the dialogue (real or imagined) between JoeLieb and WildBill en route to England where he says he was Jewish-
Anyhow...small taters...
As you were...carry on smartly...
It's obvious that the real story of those men in Band Of Brothers is more fascinating and more nuanced that it is in the series in fact, this shows how INACCURATE Band Of Brothers actually is.
Almost every soldier from almost any war has a story to tell.
It's down to us to make sure those stories are told and told truthfully.
As much as I love the show ( it's my all-time favourite drama) the evidence now becoming public shows the writer Ambrose, the producers and researchers deserve a kick up the arse for making such gross errors in regards to the lives of such brave men. I'd go as far as to say they owe apologies to Liebgott, Blithe, Dike, Sobel and no doubt many others.
One of things I took issue with was Ambrose making out Easy company as being a premier force. I think the rest of the regiment would have taken issue with that. Reading Donald Burgett’s “Curahee!” Which came out much earlier, bears that out. Some of what he recounted is at odds with Ambrose’s recounting.
I'm in the process of doing a video on Hank's 'ambition' for the show as I get a lot of people say that the series was only for entertainment purposes. If that's the case (which it is not) they should never use real names.
You can't have everything, and they chose Easy Company to depict this series. Choose another regiment and ring up Tom Hanks.
@@War_And_TruthThe fact that they did a lot of the casting in the UK means that a lot of these "Americans" end up sounding either like they're from New York or the deep South when they were mostly from the north and upper south, but all over. Those are the only accents they can do, except for the guy who played Winters and a couple others. The guys from Ireland can pull off a more plausible general American accent.
Dude, awesome bio. Just subscribe. Tell me this aint a AI genrated voice plz.
Don't be too judgmental about how this man acted until you've been there. You haven't earned the right.
I got circumcised brother so I paid for it in skin 😂
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@@patrickmullane30so you’re saying you have skin in the game?
A brave but injured and flawed man that needed the care of his country and his countrymen- that he likely never got.
Depicting a gentile as not only a Jew but proud and vengeful Jew - purely based on what his comrades knew of him - seems to be an even more egregious error than Blithe dying. The whole "drove his cab" statement in the epilogue seemed out of place as well, and now I know why. Fascinating.
As I read more books and listen to videos like this one, it seems as if the BoB mini series Would have been so much better had they told the truth. Or put more context to characters. For example, Joe Toye was first gen American Irish- (Malarkey’s book) his portrayal in the series was maybe Italian. By far a great series.
Yes Joe Toye had a pretty heavy Irish accent.
The resemblance is uncanny.
Ross McCall was a perfect casting.
Can’t say I’d be too friendly after getting clipped in the elbow.
So, imagine a time being able to get married and have eight kids on a barber's salary. No disrespect meant to barbers.
And everyone ATE.
From what I know, you got it right. He was one of my favorites in the series.
I already realize inaccuracy on the part of Band of Brothers, and choose to believe Major Winters with regard to Albert Blithe's story. There may be some inaccuracy in the series with regard to Liebgott. Even with the presence of Roman Catholicism, I choose not to dismiss Jewishness in Liebgott's heritage. A lot of Jewish people I know have chosen to obfuscate their Jewishness in their present lives, but I believe there is indication of it in the case of Liebgott.
I have seen a US Jewish registration document which was signed by Liebgott. He may have been part Jewish. The series kind of made a big deal of it however.
@@War_And_TruthCould you expand on this? Can the document be viewed?
Awesome life
in his autobiography Compton reported he and Liebgot shot two GI's in normandy, they saw two men in SS rain gear sneaking down a hedge line, When they went to check the bodies they found both were paratroopers who threw on the rain capes to try and sneak into the german line, resulting in them being taken for germans, by their own side.
That's interesting and not a story I have heard before. I wonder why they would want to sneak into enemy lines wearing SS smocks. They would have been shot if captured.
Shooting your own soldiers, but while they are in the act of committing a war crime... That's an interesting one. :O
@@SamBrickell donning a smock isnt a war crime it bears no markings of rank or nation
It is easy to imagine the fate of soldiers like this if they had lost the war.
Ross McCall I saw him in an episode of PIE IN THE SKY>
Thank you
It was a MOVIE - not a documentary. Enjoy it as such!
Not according to Hanks and Spielberg. They wanted a living documentary, very different to Saving Private Ryan. You cant just 'make up' stuff about real people, especially veterans. Some of them lost their lives.
Well they said he was a cab driver, but I thought he was a barber.
He was a cab driver before the war but not after (according to his children)
@@War_And_TruthI stand corrected. Thank you.
I didn’t know Liebgott was Catholic. Band of Brothers portrayed him as Jewish. Doesn’t really matter, but if he was Catholic, then the fight with Guarnere on the troopship didn’t happen, I guess.
A lot of the men assumed he was Jewish because of his name. I don't know if he told anyone he was catholic as it was only really his children who brought the subject to light. He didn't have a grudge against the Germans because he was Jewish like they portrayed in the series. He just hated the regime like everyone else did.
Liebgott was probably the origin of the story later attributed to Speirs about killing prisoners. Portrayed as a psychopath in the series.
No.
Look up Spiers. The story about the 6 prisoners who were shot was definitely Spiers, and apparently Spiers even confirmed it to Winters in a letter, years after the war, after Winters asked Spiers outright what had happened.
@@steves1015 and again, no. Sparky Speirs said in the letter that he found the reputation useful, but it never happened.
Yes it did happen loosehead
You misspelled the capital city of Michigan
Being Jewish does not mean you can't be Catholic. Obviously, he had Jewish ancestry based on his sir name
I get that but a large part of his portrayal in BOB was being revengeful because he was Jewish.
My former grandfather in law (ex wife's grandfather) became catholic as a Polish Jew after surviving a extermination camp.
It's Liebgott, not Leibgott. Thanks
Correct .german ei is our long I. Ie is our long E .
Thanks for the feedback
he wasnt actually jewish. he just hated the nazis so much, everyone assumed he was.
They also assumed he was Jewish because of his name.
Doesnt matter if his father was Catholic, your automatically counted as jewish through the mothers lineage. That means he would be regarded as a Jew.
Yeah but even if you were Jewish and could prove to the Germans that you had transitioned to a different religion you were not deemed as one.
I’m so happy that Easy company single handedly won WW2. Dick Winters should have been a 12 star general
You don't like Easy Company? My favourite unit of WW2 was D Company, British 6th Airborne who captured Pegasus (Benouville) Bridge on DDAY.
@@War_And_Truth it’s not that I don’t like them. I think they get way too much credit for the role they played.
Band of Brothers was a show, Not history. Get over it!
Noted
Band of Brothers was Hollywood hyped up dramatic BS, just like Saving Private Ryan. Look who produced it, Steven "ET, Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark " Spielberg.
I don't mind a bit of hype because there are plenty of dreary documentaries around now but if you are going to use real names then it is important to get the facts straight as these people have living relatives.
That’s not what the surviving members of Easy Company thought of the HBO production.
You mean BofB isn't a documentary?!? Holy crap...I've been living a huge lie all these years
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@@thomaspeacock7248 Steven Ambrose was guilty of writing fiction into fact.
Come on. It's TV and the victors write the history, not the vanquished; therefore , it's embellished. czcams.com/video/LRmF3Lu2WXM/video.htmlsi=ZQIuQK1xUE2UQgRQ
I'm from Lansing, we have barely any Jews there. 1 synagogue and one Hebrew school. For a city of over 100k people.