[L231] Master Lock 140 Padlock - in depth dive on how to pick
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
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This might be a typical first lock a new picker would try to pick. I take an in depth look at the thought process of picking one of these using the first set of picks I ever owned. This video assumes that the basic theory behind lockpicking is already known.
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This was an awesome video. Very informative and helpful. I’m currently working on my challenge lock to become a blue belt. I picked the paclock 90 A pro to get my green/blue done. Still, there is so many lessons these low level belt locks can teach us.
Appreciate the comment! Hope you found some tidbits that were of use :)
Bro this is the video I’ve needed! I can pick the 140 any other way. SPPing it has been my bane.
Excellent, thanks!
You did a great job , slowly explaining what you're doing . Very helpful ; step by step , thanks for teaching & not just showing off , like some other people on you tube . Thanks moe
So happy you found it useful! Best of luck in the hobby
Best video I've seen explaining the process
Thank you! Hope it helps get some opens as well :)
Wow. Long video. Other vids on this lock were in the 5 min range. BUT, man, did I learn a lot, A LOT, from this vid. Thank you.
You're most welcome I wanted to cover many of the things the other videos don't teach you :)
My Master 140 has 2 spring loaded latches, one at each shackle hole. They fit into notches in the shackle. With a hook pick, I am able to reach both latches through the keyhole, one at a time, and pull each one back. The problem is that I need both latches pulled back simultaneously before the lock will open. I might be able to hold them back using two hook picks, if I can fit two hook picks through the keyhole. However, I found a way to do it with one pick. I poke my hook pick deep into the keyhole and find a spring loaded part. If I am holding the lock with top of the keyway on top, when I lift it up with my hook pick, I am freeing the latch at the bottom. I push until it is free of the shackle. I pull the shackle out and keep pulling on it. This prevents the latch from falling back into the notch. Then I find the spring loaded latch that must be pushed down. When I push it down, the other latch is pulled out of the notch. With both latches free of the notches, the lock opens.
The order in which the latches are pulled from the notches may be important, depending on lock tolerances. For learning, without pulling on the shackle, find both spring loaded latches first and practice moving them. If you can open the lock, practice moving the latch that is visible. With the lock open, the other latch doesn't move more than a small amount, so don't try to practice on it.
It is easier to pull on the lock body with the lock locked to something. If the lock is loose, slip it over a hook that is securely held in place.
You're describing a bypass method. On the American Lock 1100, they added a little plate at the back to stop a similar bypass, but older ones don't have it. You can buy a specialty tool designed to bypass somewhat similar to how you described, it's basically a right angle hook that you stick down the keyway and turn to interact with the locking pawl directly.
@@norlin76 Agreed! This is a bypass method, not picking. However, it is a method of getting the lock open, which only works where the latches are accessible. Apparently, Master Lock's design engineers decided that the second latch would make it too difficult for this method to work, so they didn't do anything to keep tools from reaching the latches.
Thank you for the awesome video! It was very nice explaining, with NOT feeling like if you were "talking down" to me! I will definitely be back again!!! 👍👍
Hope it helps you get into some locks!
Just what the doctor ordered, a good vid for beginners to LEARN from.
Good education is always the way forward, well done Michael, billbo.
Thank you for stopping by, I know it's been a while since I've posted a video, I've been sidetracked by a couple of other hobbies :)
Opened my first lock while watching this. my 4th pin was very high, and 2/3 were very low. so I needed to tension from the top of the keyway to get enough space around 2/3
So satisfying!
That's excellent news! So glad you've found my video useful :)
This video realy helped me to pick my problem lock (lock nr 4) which I tried to pick for a long time. It explained the basics very well. Thanks!!!
Really glad it helped!!
Good video and audio quality. Informative and well organized. You have a calming, friendly tone. Thanks.
Thank you, I've heard such comments before (usually that my voice puts people to sleep lol) so thanks for affirming! :)
This in one of the best vido for a beginner. Thank you again
Thank you! Hope it helps you get an open!
An excellent tutorial for all our new picker family, I shall share where and when needed Michael. Great vid as always and thanks for taking the time. Take care👍
Appreciate your stopping by, hope it helps some new pickers!
@@norlin76 it sure will Michael, you have great manner and explain things clearly. Take care legend 👍😁
Thank you for explaining how to find the pins. It's been challenging not knowing how to feel for them😊
My pleasure, I hope it helped you!
Yesss thank you! Got my kit and wanted to get this lock off my old army bag and dang it was hard!
Excellent, congrats!
Can you remember if that tensioner is made by HPC-ESP? I use HPC products mainly in the field and they only list part numbers for their tension tools. I've yet to see in the descriptions dimensions other than the length. They just list them as light tension (which I'm quite sure that's what is in my field kit), medium tension and rigid tension.
Sounds like it could well be. The only info I have is that the pick case says ESP, I did buy them almost 30 years ago via mail order so can't provide much more details :)
@@norlin76 I appreciate the reply. Idk the two could have merged between then and now. It's a bit difficult to get hands on all their individual tools. I like the tensioners that came in my kit I bought a year ago and when I seen that Z tensioners I was like whoa If that's made by HPC I gotta have a couple. I hunted them down but it just lists as a double ended tensioner in either light or medium. I hate ordering Locksmith tools and taking a gamble that different part numbers will mean different widths. I just ordered around 20 picks of different manufacturers so I'm gonna put the tensioners in my cart for the next buy. I got to looking and it's time to buy more cases. I've now got enough tools to warrant separate cases for certain situations
In in a second with 4 pin comb. Or bypass in 2.
For sure, but this video is about how to pick
I just started picking. I have 9 different locks here. Couple trailer hitch locks. 5 different master locks. 2 pro source locks and the dead volt lock on my house. I can pick all of them, super easy. I thought I was a master. Then I got this 140 master lock. I can't fucking do it. I've wasted 3 hours sitting here trying to pick it. No way will it open for me. I can't believe it lol
The key I have though, there's a DEEP 3rd pin. It's almost straight through the key
Sounds like your previous locks may have all been standard driver pins where the 140 introduces the spool pin. Only thing I could recommend is looking at a few more videos on spool pins, that could help some.
@Michael Gilchrist yeah, I've finally gotten it. The issue was just the tension. I didn't think I was putting that much tension on it. Turns out I was lol. My hands are all cramped now lol
@@TobiasKryze excellent, the hands will get stronger over time :)
The Bob Ross of lockpicking!
Thanks :) Hope it soothes you! :P
Stupid question? What is going on when all the pins feel springy??? What do you do then???please help
Either you are not correctly applying tension (eg. the tensioner is caught on the body of the lock), you are not feeling all the pins (ie. perhaps missing one far in back that is binding), or could be mistaking an overset pin as being springy (just gravity acting on that keypin at that point).
Thank you
the 140 i bought to play with has a bitting of lowest, highest, second lowest, second highest from entrance to rear... its surprisingly difficult to pick, that being said I'm holding it in my hand, I don't have a stand
Ahh yes, the bitting you get on a lock can really make a big difference in how hard it is to pick!!!
What brand microphone are you using on the vise?
It's just a guitar pickup so that spectators can hear the clicks better. Just go on Amazon or similar and search "guitar contact pickup". For my voice audio I use a Zoom H6 recorder.
Thanks for fast response@@norlin76
I’m new to lockpicking, but when did the meaning of white belt go from beginner to master?
Where does it reference White Belt as "master"? Are you confusing it with the "Master Lock" brand?
What are these vises called?
my copy/paste:
Panavise base (from my 350) with a camera clamp up top and a simple stud
I use this clamp: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0062U2M4E/
This stud: www.bandh.com/c/product/1340616-REG/ or www.adorama.com/kukg016512.html or www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072T4TNYW/
And an adapter to connect the two: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N132CZ0/
You need to screw the clamp on to the knurled end of the stud, if you put the knurled end down into the base it will not be held solid and will wiggle.
The red thing is a guitar pickup for listening to the lock www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HVFTGTH/ which gets fed into my Zoom H6 Audio Recorder, but many people use this amp into headphones www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJCYSMQ/
Any picks with white handles in my videos are homemade. The music wire tensioners are cold bent, filed at the end, and 0.078" diameter, but you should use whichever thickness is wider than your keyway.
Nothing about counter rotation? I thought these had spool pins
8:10 I mention the spools, however while picking this particular lock, I did not encounter any spools. It can often be the case that these inexpensive locks aren't keyed up in an optimal manner, and even if they have a spool or two (the 140 doesn't always have spools), they may not even come into play (for example if they're paired with a longer key pin)
@@norlin76 I just picked this lock while watching your video. I did it upside down and it just worked for me
@@alanwilson3572 excellent! Always good to hear of another lock being picked :)
@@norlin76 now what I am having trouble with is my ABUS 83AL-IC/40. Thing is nightmare fuel
White belt can pick anything? Is it backwards in lockpicking?
What do you mean by "White belt can pick anything" Are you referring to it being a Master Lock (which is a brand, not the master of locks). lpubelts.com shows how we've ranked different locks, from White Belt being the easiest, to Black Belt being the most difficult.
What are you using to hold your locks? It seems to amplify the sound feedback better.
I attach a guitar pickup to the side so the viewer can hear the clicks better. Full details on my copy/paste here:
Panavise base (from my 350) with a camera clamp up top and a simple stud
I use this clamp: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0062U2M4E/
This stud: www.bandh.com/c/product/1340616-REG/ or www.adorama.com/kukg016512.html or www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072T4TNYW/
And an adapter to connect the two: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N132CZ0/
You need to screw the clamp on to the knurled end of the stud, if you put the knurled end down into the base it will not be held solid and will wiggle.
The red thing is a guitar pickup for listening to the lock www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HVFTGTH/ which gets fed into my Zoom H6 Audio Recorder, but many people use this amp into headphones www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJCYSMQ/
Any picks with white handles in my videos are homemade. The music wire tensioners are cold bent, filed at the end, and 0.078" diameter, but you should use whichever thickness is wider than your keyway.
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:)
I'm struggling with 140 . it is my first one ever. And i am making my own tools. 😅
Starting out with homemade tools is definitely hard-mode :) Getting an open with them can be super satisfying though!
@@norlin76 i am hearing that there are 2 H shape secutity pin an a serater pin an on normal in this lock. Is that true ?
@@aurelienyonrac I can't recall the exacts and they may vary from lock to lock, but I am pretty certain it has at least spools (the H shape pins you mention)
Funny to see that ESP kit…I have the same one from the same era. Glad to have some better stuff now!
Heh heh, never knew of someone else who had one, glad to hear others familiar with it!
Good video
Thanks!
Bro you talk way to much just get down to business.
Talking my way through a lock is what my channel is known for, plenty of channels where people don't say a word.
For balance, I found the lengthy commentary refreshing. plenty of super short videos out there.
Great vid for the new players. Take care and have a great week.
Thanks, you too!