Why We Can Never Find a Type 7 Civilization
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- Why We Can Never Find a Type 7 Civilization
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The speed and power of computers has been doubling every one to two years since the 1960s and 70s. And now artificial intelligence, combined with that computing power, could be poised to solve some of technology's biggest barriers.
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Will humanity one day reach the highest level of technological advancement allowing us to become an interplanetary species with the ability to colonize entire galaxies? Or will our own technology doom us? Stay tuned to find out.
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Before humans can reach any of these civilization levels, we first must learn to simply get along with one another on a global scale.
Only way is through a deus ex machina helios ending.
Which strips away our core being of humanity.
Are we truly willing to remove what makes us, us?
@@UtubeH8tr Nah, we only need a common enemy. Something that forces us to join under a common banner. As long as we keep thinking that we are the most powerful and advanced creature we keep fighting with each other.
@@Moukula
Look at the Red menace Commie scare and german reich regime.
Worked for a while, then 70's hippies generation came in and quashed it along with nuclear energy.
The only reason we don´t get along on a global scale is because our leaders constantly fight about resources and territory. If someone like the Romans had actually succeeded in conquering the world and we all had one language, culture and leader who divided resources according to the greater good of the entire empire we would have little reason to fight with one another on a large scale.
The humans in mars got in a nuclear war among themselves
It's odd that we speculate about the existence of such civilizations and how to find them without considering that any civilization at this stage will inevitably have already found us.
you've a point.
Maybe they have and we don’t know. If they are that advanced it would be easy.
And it's utter arrogance, that such a civilisation would have any care for us, if indeed they knew we existed.
well just think about a type 2 civilization encountering a 0.73 type civilization would be a waste of time for them. We are soo technologically behind compared to a civilization that can harness the energy of the sun. It would be like humans encountering ants building their ant mounds and gathering blades of grass. Wed get bored and move on in a minute. lol
@@David-qo3wm agreed
If a Type 2 civilization was so good at harnessing energy, wouldn’t it be a solid hypothesis that they would not emit much infrared radiation because it is being harnessed?
Exactly. Once again we’re proving our race to be close minded and that only the rules we make are truth.
we would likely notice the lack of infrared energy and that would be our sign
But why would you expend resources harvesting all waste infra red radiation when you already have access to almost infinite energy already?
Type 2 only harnessing its star, infra red from another star still available
Wrong. It would emit SO MUCH infrared radiation. All that waste heat would be infrared. You cannot trap that waste without killing everything you made, including yourself.
And that would just ensure the waste escaped then.
It's not that you wouldn't bother to harness it but you cannot harness it.
Nothing is more hilarious than a Type 0 civilization speculating about a Type 7 one.
I am with you.
That situation is called religion!
We couldnt even fathom such a civilization. It's just as silly as watching old black white movies that showed what the 21st century would look like. 🤣🤣🤣
I remember when I was a boy I talked to my grandfather about alien life and the galaxy. He would tell me that while he didn't see why alien life couldn't exist outside our solar system he hoped we'd never find out. When I asked why he explained that any peaceful civilization would see us a mile away and would give a wide berth, they'd deem us as to warlike and dangerous. They'd be fearful that we get their technology and begin a conquest of the universe.
The other option would be a warlike species who would come to earth for the raw resources and would see humanity as nothing more than ants in their backyard. Even then, he explained, then destroying us and getting resources would be more of an afterthought as Earth just isn't that big and it's resources likely wouldn't be worth the limited effort to come and wipe us out when there's trillions of other planets out there that are far larger with much more resources.
As such unless a species was just starting exploration and was hopelessly naïve and stumbled across us hoping to reform our people into a peace loving civilization, it's likely that no other alien civilization would ever make contact. They would find us, document our location (perhaps kidnap a few people for test) and then go about there day as if a scientist on earth found a new type of fish.
I always thought about that as I've gotten older and the older I get the more I agree with what he said, and the more I'm thankful that humanity is, for now, simply to inconsequential for anyone to worry with if they are there to begin with.
What if the alien civilization has progressed as much as ours did? I guess it all comes down to what makes their *thinking organs* tick. I don't think humanity has still answered the question of "why we fight?", yet we expect aliens civilizations to do better. We have no idea of how intelligent alien life would develop their conciousness. Will they be a united peaceful planet, exploring the universe? or will they be as confused as we are? Do we consider human civilization as one civilization? I guess the majority of people don't. We are spread through different countries, economies, languages, customs. The part of the world we deem as the most "advanced" is only doing slightly better than the rest, concerning killing each other and hoarding weapons. We still fight over the resources in our planet, heck, we fight over resources that we have invented (money!). How do we expect alines to better us? I think, if we meet our counterparts - we will just start another cold war soon after. It's always a story of "us" and "them", unfortunately.
We are the real aliens. But there's many species of other races
@anton161817 I think he is right. According to theology, human can't see Alien (people from another planet) because human can be a sinner. We always make sins, a simple sins like lying to ourselves is also counted. Other species can see us, but they don't have anything with us, they are very far different than us, and don't want to make any contact, they just want to live, and they don't know how to make sins. Also God forbid them to encounter us.
I have two big theories about Alien:
1. They have very different physique and need than us. For example, we drink water, they drink gas. They drink diamonds, we drink water. Their body shape will be according to what they eat, drink, and their enviroment. Maybe some Alien live on the sun, they drink heat from the sun, we call if absorb but they think that's how they eat, and their digest and body shape also different than us.
2. I read on Bible, there is a word, I forget what Testament, it said "We will go to father's house". Maybe we are on the middle of journey with galaxy as our plane. It is not just us, other species with different body shape and needs on another solar system but in the same galaxy. We don't know that this is a spaceship. An enviromental spaceship with renewable energy.
@@vivian9399 lolll they drink diamonds?? No aliens don't eat or drink in the 3rd dimension they are multidimensional just like we are but they were never from an outside source they have been around longer than us on this planet
Dyson spheres sound outlandish. I'm surprised they come up so much in these discussions. When a civilization gets to the point that they'd even have the technology to create a Dyson sphere, I'm pretty sure they would have learned more practical ways to harness large amounts of energy.
Wrapping yourself around the sun seems like a dumb idea, just putting it out there
You sure about that? I wouldn’t be *except that the better ideas are mods to the original idea. This video is too exaggerated and stupid for me to watch so I’m not sure what he actually describes.
@@BravoRoxyou must not have learned a lot of physics, astronomy, engine theory, etc. there’s many separate reasons why it’s the best solution to different dimensions of the power plant problem. So you’re wrong in a bunch of ways, if you insult me enough I might just explain them to you to help your brain wrinkle up a bit.
1. you harvest materials from the belt / other planets
2. you construct the damn thing in space, not on a planet.
3. assembly is done by machines & AI
4. patience. your grandkids will see it completed, not you.
and voila, u have a dyson sphere.
does it sound outlandish? well does all this talk about civilization types NOT sound outlandish? a DS would be childs play. its a freaking construct. meanwhile we're watching videos about bending our own wormholes. THATS outlandish.
That's what I'm saying. If we can travel the cosmos to gather the materials for the sphere, I'm sure we could find better way to harvest energy at that point.
Serious issue: energy degrades into heat. Unlimited energy would produce/concentrate unlimited heat.
My theory is that alien civilizations get along well enough and made a promise not to interfere with other civilizations not yet developed enough to make contact and truly explore space.
They would most certainly be aware of us, perhaps even studying us but refusing to interfere. I mean, why should they in the first place? What would an advanced civilization need from us that they wouldn’t already have?
Star Trek's prime directive isn't all fiction.
And keep in mind that with the possible scope of ET races that might be all out there, would they all follow the same doctrine?
Stellaris
I just think that they made a promise not to interfere with us because we suck as a species
@@drakearvidsson6936 we do not suck as species. Some humans are awful, but as a whole species we're an amazing one. We care enough about each other that we cure them and treat their illnesses, we sacrifice our lives for the ones we love so they can live. We do not suck as a species
@@johnfkennedy8281you must be proud of being a human eh. Do you show off in front of animals because you are a human. There’s still so much sh*t going on in the world that’s why we still suck. Human beings are so egoistic and greedy it’s crazy. Unlike animals we know what right or wrong but we still do many bad things
the kardashev scale is only based on energy. there are many other factors that can be considered for rating a civilization. the problem of classifying a civilization purely by energy consumption may lead to some odd comparisons; with some cultures landing in the same category despite having vastly different sizes and capabilities. its good to look at other versions of the kardashev scale and other scales entirely to get a more complete picture.
What are some of the other factors?
@@HighlanderCounselling Carl Sagan proposed the quantity of information a civilation can generate
You just want to lower the bar so that we are no longer at 0
@@HighlanderCounsellinghow finely can a civilisation manipulate and harness its environment:-
Type 0 can only manipulate bulk mass , they use catapults as their strongest weapons can build structures ranging from mammoth skin and bone huts to stone cities, their primary fuel is wood and maybe animal fats
Type 1 uses advanced chemical fuels like coal and oil and can control bulk mass better like using steel to build skyscrapers, their characteristic technology is gun power !
They also use chemical rockets for space travel
Type 2 has discovered fission and fusion and want to use it for everything ( we had skipped this phase but we are now circling back)
Type 2 can control its environment even finer by going beyond chemical bonds into the atom itself.
They can also mine space and have fusion on the high end.
Type 3 has mastered the atom so completely that they can use cold fusion routinely virtually ending poverty overnight.
Type 3 also uses lasers and plasma a lot.
They probably dont have any turbines or noisy engines , they use plasma to move the air or water itself,they can afford this because of their vast energy reserves
Type 3 defining technology is transmutation, they can easily transform one element into another as needed
They probably cannot afford to fight because they have all cold fusion bombs
Type 3 can afford permanent human settlement in space
Type 4 has truly mastered physical materials, literally everything they use is a metamaterial, their technology is so efficient they can power a house with a piece of wood for a year without using nuclear technology.
Their vehicles are so strong and aerodynamic, they can cross the planet using energy of a normal car battery.
At their apex they have nanorobots which can do anything and i mean anything!!
Type 5 can utilize and manipulate quantum effects as the basis of their civilization, they have things like super conductors as a normal thing and can transmit more than just information via quantum means, they transmit energy itself,
Type 5 is the level of biological mastery, they have artificial photosynthesis that can feed the entire planet using one square km of land, they probably also use biological computing and can cure any disease in seconds
Control of quantum level allows many impossible things i can't list them all
Type 6 is the level that can pinch the space-time itself and use it regularly.
Forexample this type used gravitational waves for communication and sensing among other things i probably can't imagine
They may also find it as easy to use zero point energy as we currently use hydropower
This types nuclear control is so advanced they can also build antimatter and use it like normal fuel
Type7 can truly dominate spacetime such that they can have scifi like artificial gravity on their spaceships, this is the first true space faring civilization, thats what that level of control allows
They frequently levitate stuff and can do things only possible in cartoons
Type8 is the type which knows what dark energy or dark matter is and can harness it.
This level can travel the entire universe without limitations because at the speed of light is no longer a limit.
So as you see the kardashev scale is a rather crude and innacurate measure pf advancement of civilization.
Total Energy doesn't really Reveal just what a civilisation is capable of
I posted above that I think a good scale is the level of EXPLORATION of the universe (or universes or dimensions etc) that a civilization has proven itself capable of. For example, we have fully explored our own world (not internally and maybe not fully in some hard to reach areas like deep sea trenches), sent people to our moon, sent unmanned probes to other parts of our solar system, one of them past our solar system and soon (maybe 30 years?) people to MARS.
A problem I have with defining advancement only with "energy control" is what if a world builds a machine of some kind that sends its citizens out to explore other star systems but unlike that bullcrap Michio Kaku spits out they cannot "control the weather" and "play with stars". Should we not consider them advanced? I think LEVEL OF EXPLORATION ACHIEVED should be how advancement is judged or at least ONE of the scales.
There is a major assumption here that a civilization so technologically advanced would still depend on extracting solar energy. This is just us projecting our understanding of current physics onto a larger scale, but in all probability, there will be far simpler ways to extract more energy, such as antimatter collision or zero-point vacuum energy that are already being theorized by scientists today.
That's the wrong way to think about energy generation. Antimatter collision does indeed convert mass into energy with effectively 100% efficiency - except that's only one tiny piece of the puzzle. First you need to actually get some antimatter, which doesn't seem to be very abundant in this universe. Making antimatter yourself, for example in a particle accelerator, wastes a million times more energy. Second you need to store the antimatter, which would also be energetically costly. Third, a mechanism that controls the release of antimatter and contains all the energy released. Fourth, a means of converting that energy into useful work.
The reason stars are worth extracting energy from is because they're "naturally occurring" - most importantly you only need to worry about the energy harvesting part of the equation. There are other major benefits of course - stars are incredibly stable, and as they're already burning, it would be a waste not to use the energy they generate.
Almost all of the ways of theoretically generating energy are totally infeasible for actually doing useful work (in the technical sense). Not to say humanity couldn't be missing something - obviously there's a lot we still don't know - but physicists with a love for sci fi aren't blind, they have a good idea of what does and doesn't work.
@@GeekProdigyGuyyeah what does and doesnt work according to our understanding of things, what the original comment is basically saying is that we are projecting our own human theories onto these possible civilizations that are so much further advanced than anything we could possibly imagine, not to mention the fact that they would originate from a part of the universe that is completely different than ours, and so we have no idea what is and isn't capable
@@charlesguillergan8759 IMO, that's only a reasonable thing for sci-fi writers. Anybody can assume anything about the universe. Especially if you are invoking a well-understood concept like antimatter, you should at least take into account what we already know about it.
The more we look far in the universe, the younger the universe we see, this could be the most possible reason why we are not able to observe such high type civilizations or intelligent lives...when at the same time it might exist, we are simply looking too backward in time..💀
most underrated comment, needs to be considered by more people
We cannot see them but they can see us, they should already know about us because worm holes were createdbby them in their earlier stage of civilization but they do not want to interfere, just like you don't care about flies in your garden.
Yup they still see dinosaurs on this planet they don't even know we exist yet. Time isn't as simple as we think
So time dilation interesting
no, not quite, its just as OP says, the further out you look, the further back your seeing, so even IF the Ay-lmaos could see us, they wouldnt being seeing "US" they would be seeing us as we WERE Xbillion years ago@@ivanalexandrinmatala3362
I think that maybe civilizations do not need that much energy . All they need is to learn how to use that same amount of energy more effectively. For ex- if something takes 1000 units of energy right now , then to become a higher civilization we need to learn how to do that same thing in just 10 units
People always say how lucky we are to live during this generation but could you imagine if we were born when humans were a type 5 or 6 civilization if we ever acheive that
So do you really think a civilisation of type 5 or type 6 would resort to such a way of so called reproduction... Like in my wildest dreams i would never think that any civilisation of such level capable of Multiverse if not intergalactic travel would reproduce and resort to sex 😂
Hard to say, when it comes to beings that are not bound by space, by time and by our universe. Although they may not be altogether omniscient, they will undoubtedly understand everything there is to know about the laws of the universe/multiverse.
True I agree with you.
Wouldn't be humans and the rate of change and discovery would be similar. You see how quick ChatGPT has grown? Just wait until there are consumer humanoid robots.
Even if you were type 6 would you have those endless resources at your disposal? It's going to be a while before I can afford to launch myself into space let alone the moon.
... but we'd miss Chipotle.
My biggest issue with the kardeshev scale is it makes way too many assumptions. Such as the need for a “Dyson Sphere” or “Dyson Swarm” for example. That’s only including the first three. The latter four are all purely theoretical as they rely on the existence of entirely unproven concepts.
My biggest issue, is it was created generations ago... and as a model, is wrong.
Same issue with most people assuming and theorizing that they have their own gods just because their religious books told them so...
@horridwilting640 Yeah these people be like "oh religion is false, I'm smarter than that" and then believe the BS in this video based on faith alone, pretty ironic XD
Imo Type 5-7 civilization only can create dyson sphere
@@peterhiser7883Do you know what a hypothesis is?
What do you mean "why we can't find a type 7 civilization"? We haven't even found any other type of civilization
Some people REALLY do not realize how large the Universe is.... and how much distance there is between just 2 VERY NEAR galaxies like Milky Way and Andromeda....
forgetting the distance between all other billions of galaxies.
Wow that Dyson sure is a legend. Bag less hoovers to harnessing the power of stars. What a guy
Most underrated comment here.
Wrong Dyson. This was Miles Dyson the creator of Skynet neural net processor, not the vacuum merchant.
Imagine how much we could accomplish if humanity worked together, sadly it will never happen.
Because humans are born arrogant and only care about itself.
Naw it won't, kinda glad it won't.
Let's say it would be mind blowing
@@BravoRox you are glad humanity won't ever work together, or just doubt that we ever will?
@@mharmic1 I doubt we ever will
We hit stage 7 and it turns out we’ve all been livin’ inside some giant size Dyson Vacuum Cleaner.
In Summary: Type 7 civilizations are likely so advanced it’d be like staring at Cthulu
Not only are we too primitive of a civilization, we're also extremely close minded. We think everything revolves around us and the physics that we invented. In the grand scheme of things we literally arent even a spec of dust relative to the universe and the billions of galaxies that exist. If physics is a toolkit, then there absolutely has to be bigger and better toolkits out there.
We sure are, not you though. You great thinker you
Is he wrong tho @@FearzThug
It’s yet to be seen if self-centeredness is a positive or negative species trait to possess in the context of galactic survival.
@@ryanhughes1101it’s absolutely a positive trait when it comes to survival as a species on a galactic scale. I don’t give a shit about eradicating a hostile race of aliens as long as humans continue to survive. Shit, i’d vontuneer to press the button for it
That's my problem with religion, it feels like we're assuming our tiny earth is the main narrative. I don't think we are anything but a random planet somwhere, far far far from the center of the universe. I grew up in Sweden though, almost everyone is atheist here so I just wanna think logically and think what may be out there. If there is a creator of sorts, then our planet is just one of billions of billions. Not very special probably :) But that doesn't make life less beautiful to me.
If the type 7 civilization is that powerful "basically God's" they're probably just growing us like SeaMonkeys in an atmospheric bubble right??? 😂
😂😂😂
Im pretty sure type 7 civilization is even more powerful than our god, since they doesn’t even care about little cells like us, and our “gods” will at least be boring enough to set up religions
Probably
We are in a bubble in the center of the universe
It's more like cells for humans. Hope we r not some acne or a fart
I think Dyson sphere is just an idea of how a type 2 civilisation would be, but in general the Dyson sphere can really effect the speed of the whole solar system along with the sunlight getting to other planets too
We wouldn't need the sun if we could make a sphere that big we would have so much energy that we could probably find a way to help our plant thrive of even be able to control the solar system as a whole
man, this really got me thinking of "what ifs." its cool to think about but also scary. Very interesting video.
Kind of weird how the Type 7 civilization used to fit with my idea of God when I was younger. I mean technically it could still work now. Like what if there is a civilization so advanced that they are the ones that created our universe. A scientific "God" rather then a religious one.
That’s old news mate the gods our ancestors talk about were advanced space travelers even the Christian god
Science becomes religion in the absence of religion. Religion itself is not bad, it gives people a moral framework and purpose.
@@gainfrompainrecordlabel3229pretending to have read a book will reveal you've never read it. Judeo christian God said he created the universe, not a space traveler. First chapter of Genesis.
@@SavedByGrace1987 Kmt then explain what this god is,is he some supernatural person s that has the world in his hands and no the word god was mistranslated its a plural word that means those from above that’s y in genesis it says let us now make man in our own image, if the god/gods in the Bible not space travelers then explain Ezekiel wheels within wheels,Jacobs ladder,or Elijah’s chariot of fire,don’t respond to my comment until you have a logical explanation
@@gainfrompainrecordlabel3229 first off apologies, my response was a bit rude.
Revelation is a good book to read, last book of the bible as well. The universe starts to unravel etc., and in genesis he makes it. Time light, matter.
God is Eternal, and outside of time, and the laws of physics that exist here. He says to these prophets like moses and others that he always was. Hd made it all so he has to be outside of it. I don't think they are made of the same things we are made of. We have no idea what type of matter if its even matter at all. God is something different. The Angels are created though. Other dimensions i guess. So God ks not a traveler he's the Creator.
Yeah i know i went down those rabbit holes with the ancient aliens and chariots of the gods too, its interesting, but you're not getting the whole story.
Yeah God is three persons, Jesus the Father, and the Holy spirit. Jesus referred to the father and the holy spirit, and himself as three different persons, but he also said he was from everlasting.
As soon as you started talking about the dyson sphere i thought to myself "We would never be able to construct that at this current rate because all of earth would have to work together and currently theres some pretty evil vile world leaders out there that would never let that happen"
They are more likely to use nukes than to work together
Dyson spheres are retarded anyways. “Hey let’s capture all the energy of a sun, that totally doesn’t need to be distributed amongst a solar system for like, terrestrial life and climates and shit, all this is here for us to take and use right now because we know best, look at what we made”
You know what we need: an Emporer followed by unification wars to formulate an Imperium. Is this sounding familiar to you? (Hint warhammer 40k)
You mean all the worl leaders are ran by vile families that dont even deal in paper money. They deal in countries, resources, and people as currency.
You think world leaders are the issue? It’s the rich. The people with unlimited money behind the scene pulling the strings of your puppets you call world leaders.
I wonder how long it would take to build a Dyson sphere, a billion years?
We found a level 7. God.
Lmao
What I always find funny when I see these explanations of how type 3 civs would appear to us, is by a single hypothetical way WE think they would harness the energy of a sun. Dyson spheres are the only way a type 3 civ could possibly harness the sun’s energy. No other possible ways at all.
Very short sighted.
They probably just put stars into a tardis.
Open minded enough to consider possibilities yet just short sighted enough to still be human. 😂
If type 2 civilizations block the sun, wont that effect other planets in the solar system? This would potentially have some pretty significant effects?
Wait a Minute
What if T2 civilization already Exists but we can't see them because they Block Their own Suns and no light means no Visuals
more like control the flux of energy of the star, of can redirect light to warm distant objects like Mars. Also the quantity of materials needed can lead to planetary disassembly.
Yes but not like you think. We'd need to use those planets to build a device that large since the entirety of earth simply isn't big enough to provide to raw materials. Jupiter is the only planet that we can't live without. That's because it's gravity keeps the majority of planet destroying objects from hitting earth. But if humans gain the knowledge to build such a device as a Dyson sphere we probably can figure out how to keep planet destroying objects from hitting earth as well. Who really knows though. It's all theoretical wishful thinking at this point.
Blocking the sun entirely would have significant consequences for our solar system regardless of whether a civilization is classified as a Type 2 civilization on the Kardashev scale. A Type 2 civilization is defined as having the ability to harness and use the energy output of an entire star in this case our Sun. Such a civilization would typically be highly advanced technologically and capable of manipulating stellar energy on a massive scale. If a Type 2 civilization were to block the sun's light and energy it could disrupt the delicate balance of our solar system. The Sun is the central source of energy that sustains all life on Earth. It provides heat and light drives the climate system and is crucial for the growth of vegetation through photosynthesis. Blocking the sun entirely could lead to a rapid cooling of the Earth causing the atmosphere to freeze and the extinction of most forms of life.Moreover the Sun's gravity holds the planets in orbits and any disturbance to this gravitational balance could lead to significant disruptions in the solar system. For example without the gravitational pull of the Sun the stability of the planetary orbits would be compromised potentially leading to collisions or ejections of planets from the solar system. Therefore while a Type 2 civilization might have the technological capability to block the sun it would be unlikely to do so as it would have severe consequences for the entire solar system including their own planet.
Dyson spheres seem ridiculous. An absolutely absurd amount of work and material to build a structure around a star. I'd wager that civilizations advanced enough to even pull this off would probably find more practical ways to harness energy.
Glad to see you got type 1 correct. For some reason I see too many channels saying “we’d have full control of our planet” like no bro we aren’t going to control our weather.
And while I agree Fusion is the way forward, I disagree that fission has a “high risk of accident.”
It’s far and away the safest per megawatt, even considering the deaths and long term effects from major accidents.
This is amazing. I wish i could be around to see what the future holds for mankind.
Type 0: Our Earth
Type 1: Earth in Dragonball Universe
Type 2: Friezas empire
Type 3: King Kai
Type 4: Supreme Kai's / Beerus (destroyer gods)
Type 5: Angels (WhIS)
Type 6 : Zeno
Type 7 : Akira Toriyama in DBZ universe.
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I love this lol
Anime is gay
Wtf are those
I went to a Kardishev Scale website a few weeks back and according to the Kardishev Scale Wiki the Q continuum from Star Trek Next Gen only just barely qualify for a 5 (they are on the very low end of the 5 scale). Because this scale is so mega exponential each level totals the one below it. A 6 totals a 5 and a 7 totals a 6 so a 7 would completely dwarf a 5.
If the Q were ever to encounter a 7 level race they would seem like Gods to the Q much as the Q seem like gods to humans. Imagine if after all those years of tormenting and "testing" Picard a being from a level 7 civilization decided to have Q play "games" with him? That would be IRONIC.
Yeah, clearly 7 is "Thou art God himself". Kardashev is a stupid scale to measure anything by.
That doesn't make any sense since the Q can travel through time at will, making them a type 6 civilization. Not to mention the overcoming of cause and effect limitations. The very lesson Q was trying to teach Picard in the last two episodes of TNG.
@@seraphimvalkyrin4543 we might meet them after death who knows
You disappoint me Jean-Luc...
You're high or need phycological help
I love it when I see scientists express high levels of creativity.
Who's the scientist in this one? Is the Narrator a scientist? I'm a bit skeptical of any scientist who talks about "pure energy".
And then you go on social media or watch the news and realise... yeah... we're never getting past type 1 lol...
Those scholars were just probably imagining how cool it would be to live in a super advance civilization with limitless energy and they just added those to the scale.
I'm from India. Your concepts makes some sense. I read all our hindu mythologies. There are many types of this in that stories especially the three supreme gods called brahma, vishnu and shiva all these gods sounds like type 7. But what I wonder is how humans got these information such long back. Is it possible that many civilizations evolved in earth and left earth long long back
im sorry but religious myths made by early humans trying to figure out the world have no link to science fiction.... wait... or maybe they have... Anyway. It's like seeing shape in the clouds. Your mind try to see a connection but its an illusion
it’s possible that we may have been visited by type 7 beings in hopes that they would help our civilization grow
Thank you for such an amazing video ❤
How would a type 2 civilization acquire the materials required to construct a dysons sphere? I feel like the matter required would exceed what exists on the home planet.
I like how he’s mapping this out like their whole plan isn’t going to change once they actually start exploring outer space. can we find a Titan world?
There is a ‘world’ called titan. It’s actually a moon of Saturn. It’s one of the few other worlds in the solar system that sustains liquid lakes on its surface. Those lakes are methane
A lot of this may simply be impossible. For instance, how do you even gather the resources to build a Dyson Sphere? Let alone travel inter dimensional realms.
In my opinion anything higher than type1 civilization is impossible and can only exist in someone's childish imagination.
A lot of this may simply be impossible. For instance, how do you even gather the resources to build a CPU? Let alone General Artificial intelligence.
Maybe Ai can upgrade itself without anyone doing anyone maybe it can find the super fuel needed for Dyson sphere it's just trial and error, with ai it's much faster
@@FLLLLORIDAMAN quite easily, they are made from locally abundant silicon! Took a very few years for us to progress from simple electro mechanical computers to the CPUs we have now. Constructing anything at all in the near vacuum of space from local materials is a more bit tricky. Maybe take a conveniently placed planet and somehow atomise it?? Using some sort of easy to find planet cracking energy.... But that would only give you a ring.... and beyond that you'd be looking for some more new and magical processes to produce a sphere that could harvest the star's energy. Pure fantasy IMO....
@@exe9805 AI? ... Computer says 'NO!'
Cool video destiny and this video is so interesting to watch :]
Nuclear Energy DO NOT carry a high risk of accident.
It's actually the safest (and cleanest) way of energy production we have despite the residue it produces at the end of it's fuel life cycle.
type 6: We rule everything. type 7: I HAVE WATCHED YOU SINCE THE BEGINNING AND LIVED INSIDE OF YOUR REALITY MACHINE AND OUTSIDE OF REALITY. I EXIST ONLY BECAUSE I THINK I EXCIST. SUBSEQUENTLY SO DO YOU. *Speaking both inside the machine that generates reality and outside of the machine that generates reality at the same time*
Let me remind you that any object beyond a certain distance speeds away from us so rapidly that even if we left today in an imaginary ship that traveled at the speed of light, we’d be unable to reach it. Somethings out there we just can’t see it or it hasn’t cast its shadow yet.
Yep. God.
Or maybe we can travel faster than light?
@@Jee2024IIT The UFO/UAP whistleblower just stood in front of congress and said It derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics. Imagine a 3-D object such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2-D surface. This is called the holographic principle. You can be projected from higher dimensional space to lower dimensional [space]. That was mind blowing.
Plot of The Expanse (Leviathan Wakes).
Wouldn't the Type X scale start back at 0 once we moved up one dimension? It would then be about gathering energy (or something) at certain civilation levels relevant to 4D
we can't even get along with each other....preposterous
Fascinating stuff. Humanity has precisely zero chance of ever accomplishing any of these amazing feats, but the ideas are spectacular.
Our limit/hardcap is Type 2 possibly, as that sounds somewhat plausible. But To reach Boundless Godhood that transcends the very idea of what is realy- Type 7 impossible, I think if there is Type 7 Civilization they are GODS, they always existed, will exits, Transcending all possile concepts Like Math, death, Life, Time, space, dimensionality.Esentialy All we see Now is Just Shadow Projected From Higher Layer of reality And Highest realm Would Be Realm of Type 7 Beings, wich is also Perfect and Place where all ideas and archetypes reside.
How do you know?
@@jimmcneal5292 Because I know that betting on a paralyzed horse is a bad idea and am simply applying the same logic.
@@CommodoreFloopjack78 Analogy is not an argument, and your is not even in any way reasonable
@@CommodoreFloopjack78 You're not betting against a paralyzed horse. You're betting against history.
I love how when you reach a certain point you essentially just become god with the Kardishev scale. And since a type 7 civilization is beyond space/time/reality that's about as far as you can go.......then a type 8 civilization comes along.
Turtles baby
Forgot to mention looking for/at these far away advanced civilisations means looking into their past because any image of their worlds takes so long to reach us. So these advanced worlds might exist where we are looking but only reveal themselves in 10000 years… we might be looking at an equally advanced world and they might be looking back but neither of us have the technology to see each other for now.
In order to become just a level 1 civilization we must overcome our petty ways and grow up.
And we cannot even harness the power of lightning
Nor cure disease
its almost laughable we have not gotten more out of solar energy yet. we create these giant power plants where we do super scientific stuff on a microscopic scale involving tremendous speeds, temperatues and what not. but we cannot COLLECT more energy from the sun. we need to up our game. massively.
@@kosmiqueSolar panels contain silver which is already being depleted. Plus they need go be replaced every 25 to 30 years. It takes fossil fuels to mine the silver and its estimated that there will be 80 megatonnes of waste panels by 2050. Solar panels are not the way forward long term. I wonder how they are going to harness the suns energy
@@kosmique Why do we need energy. what do we use it on. especially that much
Civilization type 8: they will be able to understand women.
If you can't imagine what will happen on 7 c so how you will know it?
@@F1022because we know we can’t understand women
Please, women are easy to understand. Dumb down your IQ... 😉
Never going to happen
When professor asks you what you think but you didn’t do the reading
I may have already posted this if not on a similar thread. It's stupid to suggest that the energy coming from the sun is not already in use by nature. Am I hearing it wrong that they are suggesting that we have to redirect energy in order to pat ourselves on the back?
The problem here is just thinking in how those civs just make energy, now as a basic civilization, how we take our energy is like 1% of the things we know and do. Civs in level 2, 3 and 4 can be doing crazy things out there, like having a portion of the universe totally under their control as Truman but not with a dome, with and entire galaxy... just think about it and us...
I know I'm wrong, but I like to think that any organism that changes to adapt and evolve would ultimately get past any filter. Even with dooming ourselves, I'm sure a different branch of technology will move on ahead. Constantly filtering it's self out for new, stronger, better, and / or smarter just to live on to survive. Also, idk what I'm saying. Thanks for reading 😊
Idk why but this comment is wholesome
I’d like to believe the same thing, nowadays we are faced with so many crises I only imagine it will get worse. Despite this generation not doing much to give me a lot of faith in them, I do believe there may be a chance for humanity to survive and later thrive to ascend to any one of these civilization types. I only wish I could be there to see it
Natural selection at a cosmic level.
Humanity has overcome so many supposed filters.
In the 19th century humans believed to have reached an upper limit on what is possible to sustain in human population, that the 19th century would be followed by a century in decline, where millions starve to death, until a new cycle starts... and then Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch discovered the Haber-Bosch-Synthesis, with which to create fertilizer more or less out of thin air. Without that, we wouldn't be able to feed the billions of humans we have today and expecting some more billions to be added in the next decades.
And after all, one guy theorized this and suddenly it is supposed to be a dogmatic law of nature? That thinking is imho too rigid, that guy could also be simply wrong and we could be just one of the first species in the known universe to come as far as we did, which would explain, why we didn't discover any aliens so far, we just got lucky.
But the thing is that we as an organism don't adapt or evolve.
When great disasters wipes out majority only individuals who already had traits necessary to survive get to live and pass on their genes. That is how insects that are resistant to insecticides came to be and why we need to use more and more of them to protect crops.
We should use super scary AI to figure out that I actually put the peanut butter in the bagging area at the self checkout, so it will stop yelling at me.
Videos like this always make me wish I was born centuries later
Given the vastness of time and the potential for any of these civilizations to abruptly end at any given time for any number of reasons, it's highly unlikely that any type 1,2, or 3 would exist in the same galaxies at the same time, making it unlikely that they might detect one another, let alone galaxies close enough to one another to make intergalactic contact possible or less unlikely, to the extent that the word "likely" can be used in that sentence with any relevancy given the astronomical factors.
This is what we as humans can only comprehend with our ability to think, imagine if there are beings out there with much larger intellectual level maybe even unlimited thinking abilities that see our struggles as a complete joke
Why shouldn't they? A type 3 civilization has colonized a whole galaxy, that a single event to one of these planets eradicates the whole civilization is highly unlikely.
Well put. Then DO exist at the same “time” just in vast diff regions of space , with TRILLIONS of billions of miles in between. Ya
thought like a human... in reality there are bound to be entire federations of aliens in the vastness of space. Statistics will always prove this right.
Only 1 and 2 level would be able to live in the same galaxy while being unoticed by each other .
speedrunning my way to a type 7 civ by passing away in roughly 80-100 years
I have a strong feeling that there isn’t enough matter within our local galactic neighborhood to make a Dyson sphere. It will require us to not only travel at near light speeds, but also do it with massive payloads from other regions of space.
It wouldn't be a solid structure, rather, smaller structures orientated around the sun.
@@Doobency Even as a minimal construct, if it’s diameter is that of our orbit. There is still no doubt in my mind it would require more solid useful matter to create this than our local galactic neighborhood.
You're right there. To build a Dyson sphere takes an enormous amount of refined metals and materials. Far more than is generally available in any given solar system.
The raw forms of those metals and materials only make up a small percentage of any given solar system, you'd need the metal of dozens if not hundreds of solar systems to complete a Dyson sphere.
Then there is the time it takes to collect, refine and transport the material back to the Dyson sphere and the construction time itself.
We're lucky a neighboring, more advanced civilization hasn't stripped our system of it's metals, leaving us unable to advance past a certain point.
If you like this stuff, check out the "we are legion, we are Bob" audio books. It's about a startrek nerd becoming a Von Noyman probe.
Both wrong
@@andrewgardiner563 Oh shove it other Andrew. Shit stirring among the doppelgängers is not permitted, lol. And there is not enough solid matter to make a Dyson sphere in this solar system. Now if we could convert the gas giants into workable material, maybe one at the distance of Venus could be possible, but it would take converting all mass to that project still.
so basically a civilization has to go through a boss fight to get to the next level
I believe that our breakthrough point for a type 1 Civ is coming sooner then we expect, with the rapid advancement of AI in the last decade ( half of it actually ), and the conception of Quantum Computers becoming reality we are about to see big changes in our society and technology. I can't say i'm not excited about it but i'm also deeply worried, I won't dwell on the whys now since it's a lot to unpack but quite convinced that the 300 years expectancy can be cut by a lot, I don't know how much it's pure expeculative but I would say 30-100 years max. Let me hear your thoughts on this guys!
I feel like this is the “what the 1900s people think the 2000s would be like” all over again. As much as we can imagine and predict, the actual truth would be far from what we thought. So even if we did become a type I civilization within the next century, it would be drastically different. I do agree that we might achieve type I sooner than we think, since our growth has been exponential, but we will never know what would actually happens in the future.
agree
If there are aliens out there, I don't see it ending well for us. Given that they would've been monitoring our transmissions and would view us as a brutish warlike society incapable of working towards a peaceful universe.
@@mikdale666you do have a point
@@mikdale666 most definitely, just imagine looking down this unknown civilization just to see them fighting eachother for resources or stupid reasons in a planet where we are already the dominant species it’s so ridiculous when u put in perspective
"Type seven: Ten duodecillion years..." But a type 6 can ride the waves of time forwards and backwards like a surfboard...
something interesting that people seem to gloss over and forget about is how time works. Outside of our planet, time is completely different, and each planet would have its own unique time depending on its distance from its sun, speed of rotation, and probably a bunch of other stuff im forgetting
Type 7 is simple. It's the realm of the gods of the multiverse.
It's hard to believe that a species would be recognizable by the time they hit 7
Its basically replacing God and letting him retire.
@@istaphobe god is probably a byproduct of the imagination of a tier 7 child
@@josephjucker5620depends on which “god” if it’s an All-powerful God then he folds the type 7 civilization at will.
@josephjucker5620 Ya I wonder who appeared in 20th century Portugal and how thousands of people witnessed a miracle or realized their clothes are dry and any skeptic their converted to catholicism.
Hmmm...
I wonder why it would take most stadiums in the world just to imprint Christ's image in a shroud.
Riiiight an "imagination".
@@istaphobeNo it practically wouldn't.
A finite being could never become an omnipotent being unless it is by proxy.
It is incredible all these videos talking about ranking or scaling of civilization always in terms of technology. I’d argue if human consciousness cannot evolve at the equally fast pace, humanity will doom at the hands of tech or at least getting stuck.
Something that will make your brain explode :
Consciousness as we know, every creature in the observable universe has. So let's say you are deceased and a new being is born in other galaxies, you might even be one of them. We might even be a being that is imagined by beings on other galaxies or planets.
Thinking about this gives me an existential crisis
It will be interesting to see how much our own development on the Kardishef scale will be held back by greedy corporations despite the unquestionable benefits of technology that make products obsolete that currently are used to grant them power, authority, and control over others. Now that we are aware of the reverse engineering programs of extra-terrestrial technology, how much our level of technology has been accelerated.
Greed. Envy. Hate. All of which are the catalyst of negative beginnings. We have too many negative humans holding us back.
Yeah, it's gonna be pretty hard to get past 3 in the Kardashev scale, considering we'd need things that literally do not exist, such as wormholes, white holes, alternate dimensions, and the like XD
@@peterhiser7883right? This entire thing is absolute fiction
I'd wager government would hold us back more than corporations. Nearly every technological pioneer in recent history has been a private entity, while we, for example, continue using military technology from the 80s.
I already reach civilization type 3 multiple times command the whole galaxy. I also have built Dyson Sphere, quantum catapult, ring world, etc.
Yeah it's easy, I've also skipped grades and directly ascended to a higher dimension and going from tier 3 to tier 6 right awayby completing my aetherophasic engine, only took me a few hours!
I think that the administrator of our current universal virtual reality hasn't written those other characters yet- but the further we explore, the more will be written for us to find.
we're at the start of a new renaissance and it's about time people recognizing it
There is one major question. How would we build something large enough such as the dyson sphere as well as with what material that is able to handle the constant heat and radiation from the sun. Lastly, wouldn't the gravity of the sun pull said object into it?
need to have said objects tidal locked, extreme precision would be required
I suggest watching the video of this topic by Kurzgesagt
I mean if your willing to use a planet for it Mercury has been sitting there for eons lol
It is possible to achieve orbit as a sphere around a gravity source. There'd have to be some crazy and rapid axial wobble but it's (theoretically) possible. A black hole with a kinetic generator would be much easier
Would the caveman be able to question how we fly?
Dyson spheres are so 2000 and late… when we can create our own stars for free energy anywhere we need one
since stars expire at some point, is it technically still free energy? i mean it basically "uses itself up" if we could put it that way. if it consumes rescources = its not free energy.
Type 5 is already harnessed by a guy called Rick Sanchez.
Type 7 is God. We will definitely meet a type 7 when we die and move on.
It never ceases to amaze me how creative our imaginations can be. If only all of that theoretical intellect could be used for more practical and applicable purposes for the real world.
Without theoretical intellect, we wouldn't have civilization.
Well, it does.
@@johndesalvo3348 That is true in many cases, yes. Regarding the content of this video, however, these “civilization types” sound like nothing more than an idea for a movie or comic book. Of course there is no way to tell the future so to speak, but spending a lot time and energy focusing on anything past this “type 0-1 civilization” (or our current state of civilization) is essentially just a fun game.
@@justinworthington8127 Closed-minded thinking like your is dangerous and does nothing to advance our civilization. Despite your lack of comprehension and vision the Civilization classes were theorized by some of the brightest Physicists of the last 50 years.. just because you can't imagine it DOES NOT MEAN similar advancements cannot be achieved in hundreds of years. The Internet would seem like magic to folks living as recently as the 1920s. How can you think what seems lije science fiction today won't be commonplace in 100, 200, 300 plus years. That's just assanine. The rate we are advancing in AI, and Quantum computing is at astonishing speeds. How can you not see all the advancements we've made since the late 1800s till now (more than at any other time in recorded history) and NOT be optimistic about what we can achieve 50 years from now. MANY of the technologies we have now we're not conceived of and would seem like fantasy to people living in the 170
There's no practice worth having without proper planning first. You know the Moon we landed? It used to be fiction and landing there used to be a mere imagination-provoking topic.
What if black holes or white holes are just grinding machines built by higher type civilization to absorb energy and materials for their mega structures? 😮
Type 7 civilization sounds alot like what happens when you die.
Science: It's impossible to escape a black hole
Video: We'll harness it a few thousand years
If they ever did find anything, they wouldn't tell us. It does make you wonder what they have found already to encourage them to build everything they already have, such as telescopes and radio towers larger than 10 football feilds.
Yeah, absolutely
Who is “they”?
@@dforrest4503 They would be, "the powers at be." The boogeyman, MIB, your high school science teacher, spooks. If you don't know who, "they" are, its because you're trapped in the matrix.
@@dforrest4503 them.
I don’t know. But I find this theory as flawed. It assumes that increasing amounts of energy is what determines a higher level civilization. My thinking is that a higher level civilization has evolved to a level where more can be done with less energy. Like a super optimized way of using energy.
Odd statement. I would think something super optimized. Would be something incredibly small to produce massive amounts of energy. Any civilization that is going to colonize a planet will need massive amounts of energy specially if their cells or biosphere is the least bit similar to ours.
Optimized energy usage is a thing, but there are physical limits to how much you can stretch energy usage. And at the same time all of these theories are human concepts, there might be civilizations way beyond our understanding. We as humans are young and know nothing of the universe in my eyes. Its like monkeys trying to understand calculus or beings from 2D trying to understand 3D.
@@Lennji Elon has a powerfull engine on a massive ship that runs on hydrogen. Nuclear plants are not needed in mars. In fact different forms of energy have been around for a very long time they just arent used because the world is ran by petrol criminals that will not be able to capitalize on something that runs on water or compressed air even lol.
Type 7 civilization: "Congratulations! You're a God now"
Without fission we won't have the tritoum for fusion. Fission is still a very clean option and needs to be used more.
I love these over exaggerated theories.
Yes, over exaggerated theories
These intellectuals are unfit for survival even in intolerable heat of deserts or in snowy lands of North pole even on this planet earth.
But, they spin theories of all types to console their intellectality.
This can happen
@@Swaggywasherecan.. but definitely won't.. humans ain't gonna be around for long enough to see any of this happen sadly (or maybe not so sadly)
Something similar to this has been written by the man who claims that he has been with aliens
that's why they'll probably stay theories
Saying nuclear power plants carry a high risk is like saying walking through fog carries a high risk of you drowning. Nobody is saying its risk free but not contextualizing that risk with other forms of energy production hides the fact that its one of the safest and cleanest forms of energy we have available.
Amen to that. Thorium especially is powerful with minimal risk
At around 4:10 you say current nuclear power plants carry a "high risk of accidents." I'd like you to clarify this. High risk compared to what?
Take DMT and you'll meet some Type 7s.
I really enjoyed this video. This is the first time I've heard about the different civilization types. Very interesting to think about. We are probably already civilization type 7 in terms of being existence itself. Chaos is life, death, & opportunity. Maybe that's why we humans are so chaotic. We are trying to recreate existence while being existence itself. I'm just thinking out loud, lol. Love the vid tho. Keep it up!!
Well considering we haven't found a 1-6, it would be safe to say the title is correct
A 7th level civilization still won't be able to open that pickled jar.
The type 8 would just now be "hey guys today well escape the matrix"
The Great Filter is a theoretical concept that is often discussed in the context of the Fermi Paradox. The Fermi Paradox is the apparent contradiction between the high probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations and the lack of evidence for, or contact with, such civilizations. The Great Filter is proposed as a possible explanation for this paradox.
The Great Filter suggests that there may be a major obstacle or challenge that prevents civilizations from advancing beyond a certain point in their development. This obstacle could be anything from the emergence of life, the development of intelligence, the rise of technology, the ability to colonize other planets, or something else entirely.
One possibility is that the Great Filter is behind us, meaning that we have already overcome the major obstacle that prevents civilizations from advancing beyond a certain point. Another possibility is that the Great Filter is still ahead of us, meaning that we have not yet encountered the major obstacle that will prevent us from advancing further.
If the Great Filter is behind us, it could mean that we are among the few civilizations in the universe that have managed to overcome this obstacle, which would explain why we have not yet detected any other intelligent life in the universe. However, if the Great Filter is ahead of us, it could mean that our civilization is at risk of being destroyed by a catastrophic event that we have not yet encountered.
The concept of the Great Filter is still largely speculative, and there is no clear consensus on what the major obstacle or challenge may be. Some scientists and thinkers have proposed that it could be related to the development of artificial intelligence, climate change, nuclear war, or something else entirely. However, the idea of the Great Filter raises important questions about the nature of life, intelligence, and technological advancement in the universe, and it is a topic of ongoing research and discussion among scientists and philosophers.
Personally, I like the great filter theory as it is a very plausible explanation to the lack of evidence of extraterrestrial life. Keep in mind also there could be multiple filters each with their own unique set of challenges to overcome. Some may be behind us, some ahead. The obvious one that would be in the future is self annihilation by technology (AI, nukes, etc.). Natural disasters and cosmic events like Gamma Ray Bursts, Supernovae, etc are always a possibility as well, but that's more of a random shot that may or may not ever effect us. Our position in the galaxy gives us an advantage, being in somewhat of the galactic "boondocks". Other civilizations may not have been so fortunate. Or maybe it is impossible for life to even exist in more chaotic regions like nearer the galactic centre.
the path is full of filters. the great filter will only be the great filter if we cant pass it. if we are past the great filter, then it wasnt really that great of a filter.
How do we know that a type seven civilization was not our creator?
I was thinking the same thing. It's basically a scientific theory of God. You have to think if such a thing could exist, being that it would take 10 duodecillion years to reach it which is unfathomably longer than the age of the universe, that such beings would have existed through countless deaths and rebirths of the universe or multiverse, and more or less control all of them.
The Lord created even type 7s.
@@randybaumery5090In this hypothetical scenario, type 7 means the lord himself
The human idea of “god” requires humans to worship it. In reality, humans wouldn’t even be on a type 7 civilizations radar. We would be to them what a dust mite is to us. Probably even less than that.
@@digitalfootballer9032 Yeah pretty much. According to the theory a type 7 civilization/singularity/hivemind or whatever form it may take would be incorporeal, omnipresent, encompass all timelines and could freely travel anywhere in the Omniverse. Time and distance would not be an issue.
The great filter could be something like a universal auditor that eradicates all would be strains on computing power of the simulation, I saw something once about if the universe is a simulation then seeing other planets, galaxies stars up close would put massive strains on the simulation which may cause it to end such problems before they occur. Meaning we can only exist within our boundaries to keep things running smoothly.
Another potential great filter is that of a singularity - an interconnectedness of conciousnesses that doesn't also allow for individuality. This would create a oneness of thought that stagnates innovation as alternatives within a singular conciousness are more difficult to produce. Thus a singular interconnected consiousness, without individual disassociation, would stagnate and die
Actually we are created by a level 7 civilization ~ 🤡🤡🤡
No we created by god, Allah
@@F1022 Allah huh, IDK my friend. To each his own.