D&D's Lost Subclasses (And How To Actually Play Them)

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    Let's talk about the subclasses WotC forgot, abandoned, or otherwise didn't print despite being released and being AWESOME! All of these are playable in your games and freely available online as old Unearthed Arcana (give them a google!)
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    0:00 - Intro
    0:21 - Treachery Paladin
    03:52 - Undying Light Warlock
    07:33 - Phoenix Sorcerer
    10:18 - Theurgy Wizard
    13:15 - Satire Bard
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  • @DnDShorts
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      @Ariolander Před 2 měsíci +6

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    • @tehmanticore
      @tehmanticore Před 2 měsíci +1

      I've been thinking more and more on this lately:
      Why can't Wizards just spend more gp and time to add a non-Wizard spell to their spell list? When magic seems to come so easily to every other class, and Wizards have to pay so much just to play their class, it makes sense that their research skills enable them to access any magics - eventually. It would explain why Wizards can become the God of Magic, and with the right balancers, the burden of the spellbook could finally be a reasonable asset.

    • @garyco766
      @garyco766 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Well, these classes aren't "lost", they're Unearthed Arcana, and therefor not legal at most tables.

    • @Plugh13
      @Plugh13 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@tehmanticore if the spells are granted by deities or other entities, they won't necessarily be available to wizards, as the casting requires some sort of cooperation by the patron being. The one that always confused me was that bards get cure wounds. I'm interested in the thought process behind that decision.

    • @tehmanticore
      @tehmanticore Před 2 měsíci +1

      @Plugh13 It's certainly a break from tradition, and for when I've seen healer Bards played, a welcome one at that.
      If the classes can share spells, and Wizards can become the God of Magic or the God of Spells (which can have Cleric followers), then I think there's more to it than that. It might need more figuring out than normal arcane magics as I said, but it should be possible for this, the researcher self-magicked class.

  • @unironicallylikesranger7122
    @unironicallylikesranger7122 Před 2 měsíci +1029

    Play an aasimar. Be a wizard. Choose the school of Theurgy. Select the Arcana domain. Continue to spiral and disorient your allies with your circular theming

    • @Merilirem
      @Merilirem Před 2 měsíci +51

      Wanted to say this. Its so funny.

    • @eitberko
      @eitberko Před 2 měsíci +43

      I came here to say arcana domain theurgy wizard, but I knew in my heart it had already been said

    • @eitberko
      @eitberko Před 2 měsíci +77

      Could also go nature domain, for a cleric themed wizard but the cleric is druid themed

    • @alegbh8713
      @alegbh8713 Před 2 měsíci +42

      I immediately read the arcana domain to see if the combo would be as awful as I thought. Your domain spells are all wizard spells, so you get nothing new here (I guess that if you add all of them to your spellbook you have access to the full cleric list, but that takes until level 9 at least and committing to adding 10 spells you might not want to your spellbook). At second level (I'm going by wizard, not cleric level) you get proficiency in Arcana and 2 wizard cantrips, also nothing new. Your channel divinity is a Turn One Fey/Elemental/Fiend/Celestial + Banishment so at least it's something. at 10th level you get to dispel a spell effect on an ally when you heal them, which you can't do because you don't have a single healing spell (unless you've added every single domain spell to your spellbook). And finally, at 14th level you add 4 more wizard spells to your domain spell list; this feature is actively detrimental to the Theurgist, because since one of those spells has to be level 9, there's a spell in your domain spell list that you won't be able to get until you are level 17, which means that if you went to the trouble of adding every single domain spell to your spell list to at least get some cleric spells, now you're locked out of doing that for 3 more levels.
      All in all, insane build, you're pretty much playing without a subclass 0/10 utility, 3/10 flavour, 10/10 bafflement.

    • @lyntoncollins2758
      @lyntoncollins2758 Před 2 měsíci +10

      @@alegbh8713 There is one at every convention, people. Ignore.

  • @MotleyNerd
    @MotleyNerd Před 2 měsíci +716

    Play rabbitfolk. Take Satire Bard. Become Bugs Bunny.

    • @mathsalot8099
      @mathsalot8099 Před 2 měsíci +53

      I have someone in my current group playing a Harengen Vengeance Paladin named Watership Down. It's not relevant to this video. I just wanted to share my childhood trauma brought to life in my fantasy escapism game.

    • @neizha
      @neizha Před 2 měsíci +37

      Play a human multi-classed as monk/satire bard. Become Jackie Chan.

    • @NobleKorhedron
      @NobleKorhedron Před 2 měsíci +10

      "Eeehhh, what's up, Doc...?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @bskec2177
      @bskec2177 Před 2 měsíci +21

      Or Play a bugbear Satire Bard - Fozzy bear. Wokka wokka wokka.
      Joined by Kermit (Grung Inquisitive Rogue - he was a news reporter on Seasame St.) and Miss Piggy (Orc, Open Hand monk)

    • @NobleKorhedron
      @NobleKorhedron Před 2 měsíci +9

      Let me guess, @@bskec2177 , you'd choose the Way of the Open Hand because she slapped Kermit so much?

  • @lrioje1
    @lrioje1 Před 2 měsíci +373

    I played a Death Domain Theurgy Wizard for Tomb of Annihilation. It was so cool. Basically, instead of being a worshipper of gods of death, he studied them all. Amazing necrotic blaster.

    • @Merilirem
      @Merilirem Před 2 měsíci +26

      Wizards who study gods and learn their powers are just epic.

    • @SebasTian58323
      @SebasTian58323 Před 2 měsíci +12

      I'm not gonna worship you, but I am going to study your secrets until I know how you give the clerics their abilities.

    • @user-ci6ld6kj1c
      @user-ci6ld6kj1c Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@SebasTian58323 wizards turn the esoteric nature of magic into a math formula to better understand it and control it. My favorite class for flavor

    • @truekurayami
      @truekurayami Před měsícem

      This honestly works with the nature of wizards so well, as most wizards are already doing this with Mystra and outside the evil ones are basically her unofficial clerics. Theurgy Wizard takes up the idea of being a mortal emissary of Mystra towards the Divines of other Domains and adds logic to some subclass types, like Divine Soul or Draconic Heritage Sorcerer would obviously have such a mind set towards their respective divine ancestry if they were a wizard.

  • @silasdasgupta4940
    @silasdasgupta4940 Před 2 měsíci +335

    Undying light seems fairly similar to celestial warlock. Granted, I think celestial is more about healing as support as a lot of the features are swapped around and scale accordingly

    • @Dragonlord446
      @Dragonlord446 Před 2 měsíci +29

      It's the same features rearranged with a different set of spells

    • @angelfigueroa6825
      @angelfigueroa6825 Před 2 měsíci +25

      I'm pretty sure that Celestial Warlock was a revision of Undying Light

    • @DnDShorts
      @DnDShorts  Před 2 měsíci +86

      definitely was the prototype I think, although they play quite differently due to levelling difference (and I MUCH prefer the lore of Undying light!!)

    • @unironicallylikesranger7122
      @unironicallylikesranger7122 Před 2 měsíci +17

      It’s just got its strong abilities first and the weaker ones last. I prefer Celsetial, since the scaling bonus action healing at level 1 makes you a very popular player without sacrificing damage

    • @ravenstales6457
      @ravenstales6457 Před 2 měsíci +14

      ​@@DnDShorts
      Undying light warlock: Ohhh boy, I love walking into the line of fire!
      Zealot barbarian: first time?

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    @teamcyeborg Před 2 měsíci +169

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      @PenniDeadful Před 2 měsíci +1

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    • @wolfox7776
      @wolfox7776 Před 2 měsíci +2

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  • @xyryyn
    @xyryyn Před 2 měsíci +154

    I played a Phoenix Sorc in an ongoing campaign and she wound up with awesome lore around her origins and ultimate fate (she used up all her magical ability to revive the World Tree at the campaign's end). I loved it.

    • @Fenikkusu14
      @Fenikkusu14 Před 2 měsíci +6

      I really wanna play a Pheonix sorc one day

    • @dr.grimmly6875
      @dr.grimmly6875 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I'm currently playing one in Icewindale, and I love it.

    • @FluffieXStarshine
      @FluffieXStarshine Před 2 měsíci +2

      I was in a curse of Strahd game with a phoenix sorc, I was playing a Favored Soul from the UA before Divine Soul was relased in Xanthar. We also had a bard ... it's like all the charisma classes ... it was nuts but at the same time so much fun.

    • @boianko
      @boianko Před 2 měsíci

      Had one of them see play in my first campaign. She got crushed by a rock and died.

    • @ozpin8329
      @ozpin8329 Před měsícem

      @@FluffieXStarshine I play an Artillerist Artificer in our own Curse of Strahd game that had a mental break and signed a pact with a homebrew Dark Power known as the Shepherd of Fire. It's a flavor skin for Phoenix Sorcerer levels, and a blast to play.
      She also has a few levels in Rune Scribe. It's an old UA class from when WotC was considering adding prestige classes to 5th edition, and it's a lot of fun!

  • @matthiasshadowblood7111
    @matthiasshadowblood7111 Před 2 měsíci +60

    Okay but imagine this. Theurgy Wizard with the Tempest Domain. You now have Tempest Domain's powerful channel divinity, with access to powerful spells for Lightning and Thunder from the Wizard Spell List
    So now you have a Wizard who can just decide "Nah. I'm just going to deal maximum damage on my Chain Lightning instead of rolling"

    • @PhoenixKnight777
      @PhoenixKnight777 Před měsícem +4

      This is partly why Theurgy wizard was insanely overpowered

    • @Feanor6450
      @Feanor6450 Před měsícem +1

      @@PhoenixKnight777 Is that much more broken than just taking 2 levels in tempest domain and being a scribes wizard though? this also gives you the proficiency's of cleric, including heavy armour and martial weapons, it gives you some good level 1 spells and cantrips, and lets you change any damage spell to lightning and then do max with it, lightning ball, 48 average damage in a 20 foot radius sphere, I think that is more broken than the theurgy wizard personally.

    • @truekurayami
      @truekurayami Před měsícem

      @@Feanor6450 It depends on your build, Clerics by their nature are designed as leaning more towards half-caster with a stronger lean towards spellcasting, If you want to go full caster Theurgy Wizard of Tempest, added in with the Sorcerer subclass provides more benefits towards being a full caster with Thunder and Lightning.

    • @Feanor6450
      @Feanor6450 Před měsícem

      @@truekurayami ah good point.

    • @finnthehydra622
      @finnthehydra622 Před měsícem

      Take metamagic somehow and grab Transmute Spell. Give your Meteor Swarm lightning damage and max half of its total possible damage

  • @gaelofariandel6747
    @gaelofariandel6747 Před 2 měsíci +39

    Forge Theurgy Wizard. A true tank Wizard.
    I don't care how big the room is--I'm immune to fire damage. I CAST FIREBALL!!"

  • @DoomedPaladin
    @DoomedPaladin Před 2 měsíci +30

    I love playing a Phoenix Sorcerer/Fighter/Paladin that uses a whip. Reflavor the whip as a chain, and after convincing the DM to give me a cool mount, then I'm playing _Ghost Rider._

  • @samwildstein2092
    @samwildstein2092 Před 2 měsíci +58

    No love for the Primeval Guardian Ranger? Becoming a tanky tree was such a fun idea, but they shelved it to avoid having large-sized PCs...only to introduce the Rune Knight and Path of Giants a few years later.

    • @MrDavidKord
      @MrDavidKord Před 2 měsíci +1

      Are these unearthed arcana?

    • @samwildstein2092
      @samwildstein2092 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@MrDavidKord Primeval Guardian was Unearthed Arcana in 2017, Rune Knight is in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, Path of the Giants is in Bigby Presents: Glory of the Giants.

    • @MrDavidKord
      @MrDavidKord Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@samwildstein2092 Oh mb I know Rune Knight, I'm talking about the ones in the video and Primeaval Guardian.

  • @WolframYouTube
    @WolframYouTube Před 2 měsíci +62

    My favourite unreleased subclass is Onomany Wizard
    My DM let me play the subclass in a one-shot. I was a multiclassed Onomancy Wizard with Grave Cleric. The concept of the character was that they would receive names from their god for people who need to die to maintain the fate of the world, with their god being The Fates (or an analogue for The Fates).
    It was a higher level one-shot, so it was 7th level Onomancy Wizard (for 4th level spells) + 5th level Grave Cleric. The resonances were very fun to use.

    • @FishVet
      @FishVet Před 2 měsíci +1

      My favourite character of all time was a Mastermind Rogue/Onomancy Wizard. I absolutely loved the theming of the subclass, so its disappointing that it never got brought into an official sourcebook, but at least I still have the functional subclass on my D&DBeyond account because it remains as playable legacy content as long as you still have a character with the subclass.

  • @justinpicard9292
    @justinpicard9292 Před 2 měsíci +43

    I played a fire genasi fiend warlock that broke free of their pact and was reborn as a phoenix sorcerer

  • @MrVideo540
    @MrVideo540 Před 2 měsíci +25

    I remember playing the UA Brute Fighter. I had so much fun with it. I remember being so sad when there were no plans to officially release it

  • @apjtv2540
    @apjtv2540 Před 2 měsíci +30

    Slight correction: Nourishing Fire doesn't give you temporary HP, it lets you regain HP equal to the slot's level + CHA modifier. At least, that's what it was in UA.

  • @feralart
    @feralart Před 2 měsíci +16

    I see the College of Satire as being the stand up comedians of D&D.

  • @Clara_linking
    @Clara_linking Před 2 měsíci +51

    Undying Light Warlock sounds really similar to Celestial.

    • @kitaridraconia
      @kitaridraconia Před měsícem

      Came here to say this. Think this may have been a precursor as it's same abilities but some in a slightly different place

  • @sagenod440
    @sagenod440 Před 2 měsíci +9

    I like the dice at the bottom left that represent each chapter, nice touch

  • @aroseydragon2873
    @aroseydragon2873 Před 2 měsíci +12

    Can’t wait to fail at reading the mind of the corrupt noble just to watch him loudly fart during an important meeting

  • @orsonankers4127
    @orsonankers4127 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I wish the College Of Satire was just really sarcastic and had an ability called Poe's Law where nobody understands what they're trying to say half the time

  • @jnhensley09
    @jnhensley09 Před 2 měsíci +11

    The Phoenix Sorcerer is Joshua from Final Fantasy 16.

  • @thegayghost872
    @thegayghost872 Před 2 měsíci +13

    Undying Light Warlock sounds really similar to Celestial

    • @johnowen5662
      @johnowen5662 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I think it has all, or at least most, of the same features, just at different levels. This was probably a prototype for the celestial warlock

  • @KevinVideo
    @KevinVideo Před 2 měsíci +8

    Really glad that you made this video. Ted/Nerd Immersion had a player use the phoenix subclass so he tweaked it so that it was in line with Tasha's subclasses and fixed the janky wording.
    Would definitely love if you did a follow up video on additional subclasses we never saw such as the archivist artificer (I know a lot of people were fuming that never got printed), brute and sharpshooter fighter, giant soul and stone sorcery sorcerer, Raven Queen and seeker warlock patrons, as well as the onomancy wizard. The Raven Queen one is probably the one I was most disappointed that we never got, but my 3.5 friends who enjoyed the truenamer class were really looking forward to the onomancy wizard subclass.

  • @crosbydickinson9030
    @crosbydickinson9030 Před 2 měsíci +1

    @DnDShorts, thank you so much for being you. I love your content. I don't make a lot of money but it didn't stop me from supporting Ryoko's guide. Just know you are appreciated.

  • @warrenwilliams6553
    @warrenwilliams6553 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I really like your videos man, please keep them coming.
    They are very helpful to a newish player like me and attempting DM.
    Thank you.

  • @ManrayO_O
    @ManrayO_O Před 2 měsíci +5

    I played a Half Drow Paladin of Treachery once, he was great. He had a giant Komodo dragon as a mount. ❤

  • @LawrenceDomkowski
    @LawrenceDomkowski Před 2 měsíci +2

    Old issues of Dragons Magazine contain many fun and off-beat character classes. Most are not very good, but a few can be a lot of fun. Classes like The Jester were just over the top.

  • @SionSweet
    @SionSweet Před 2 měsíci +2

    I spilled coffee all over myself this morning, spent the day stuck in mind numbing tasks, and was feeling low. I now have new classes to play AND a new TTRPG that my remote self can play, even alone. What a turn around, thanks!

  • @crapname9692
    @crapname9692 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I created an oath of treachery paladin about 2 weeks ago, loving the idea behind it's abilities. Thank you so much for putting it into the eyes if the people.

  • @mitchdaniels5766
    @mitchdaniels5766 Před 2 měsíci

    Love this video and would love to see more like it. Keep up the good work. Love your content.

  • @SamanthaVimes177
    @SamanthaVimes177 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I REALLY like the dice with the timers. It's fantastic and really helps my Autistic/ADHD brain focus so I don't have to keep checking where CZcamss lil red bar is. Thanks for your effort!

  • @gonzosabbath
    @gonzosabbath Před měsícem

    Not only do I love all of these options, but there's something very funny about having known about them or played in a game with them before. I was so hyped to hear the satire bard brought up cause that tumble is SO ICONIC

  • @brokenmeats5928
    @brokenmeats5928 Před 2 měsíci

    I love ALL DnD Shorts videos!

  • @medler2047
    @medler2047 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Love your vids, looking forward to when Ryoko's comes out.

  • @rogerpellicano5340
    @rogerpellicano5340 Před 2 měsíci +3

    These all seem really cool, and there's a few more that I really liked when I saw them.
    Giant Soul Sorcerer- basically Rune Knight for sorcerers. You get different powers and spells based on which giant you're descended from.
    Stone Sorcery- Tank Sorcerer. You get more HP and permanent mage armor, your can protect your friends, and if they get hit you can teleport next to them and literally smite them. You get smite spells added to your spell list, that seems so cool.
    Revised Beast Master-It's a better beast master, but the standout ability for me is that your beast levels up with you, even getting ASIs when you do. It doesn't specify, but as DM I would allow the beast to take feats instead, which could lead to some wild shenanigans, like a beast proficient in greatswords or a beast with a familiar and firebolt from Magic Initiate.

  • @gayane_igityan
    @gayane_igityan Před 2 měsíci

    i love your channel so much! Thanks :)

  • @richard_n
    @richard_n Před 2 měsíci

    Fantastic video, I liked all of these subclasses.

  • @pipergreen5430
    @pipergreen5430 Před měsícem

    Loved this video. Would love to see more UA videos

  • @galaxyblade111
    @galaxyblade111 Před 2 měsíci

    These are awesome, i love hearing about weird subclasses^^

  • @Cornfiglep
    @Cornfiglep Před 2 měsíci +3

    4:40 I'm actually pretty sure you CAN'T keep adding the charisma mod to Flaming Sphere each turn since Radiant soul does say "When you cast" meaning during the instance, ala fireball, or scorching ray.
    Also you can do that Agathys/Damageshield combo with Fiend.

  • @TheCeekon
    @TheCeekon Před 2 měsíci +1

    I'm happy some of these are getting more love/ notice. I once upon a time played a Oath of Treachery Paladin changeling. The Jester Knight. Its essentially a better version of Trickery domain from the cleric but for Paladin and I love it for that.
    Two UA's I also loved were Stone Sorcerer and Onomancy wizard. Stone Sorcerer because I am all about that Hybrid life and we dont really have a proper rep for Geomancy and the like in DND outside of a few spells. Onomancy because Name magic nonsense can be REALLY interesting in how its used. I was able to play this once in a One shot the devil who dropped and in darkness (the spell) just proceeded to get blasted by me whos hiding behind a wall, hitting him with a remote fireball that does Force damage. It was wacky and I loved it.

  • @Murglo6
    @Murglo6 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video somewhere I have all of these good UA subclasses printed out in a dusty folder I lose and find to make a new character and lose again. This will save me from having to reread it constantly

  • @kaiserbun95
    @kaiserbun95 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I love Theurgy Wizards. I have been running them in my games for a few years now as NPC Priests and even had a player like them so much they made one after their first character died. A Life Theurgist that made it from 3rd to 10th level before dying in a tragic mishap within the Shadowfell.

  • @kakashilover9231
    @kakashilover9231 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Cool I'm gonna check at least one of these out

  • @cosmicrem1241
    @cosmicrem1241 Před 2 měsíci

    One of the PCs in an Icewind Dale campaign I'm running is a Phoenix Sorcerer who plans to multiclass into Undying Light Warlock down the line. The flavor combo of those two subclasses in particular is absolutely DOPE, plus it's absurdly viable from a mechanical standpoint.

  • @Coopernicuss
    @Coopernicuss Před 2 měsíci

    Ummm this was your best ad yet. Great finish.

  • @Thelegendarybros2
    @Thelegendarybros2 Před 2 měsíci +4

    The only gripe I have with Phoenix Sorcerer is that the transformation can only be used once per long rest. Once used up, your basically just a sorcerer without a subclass for the day. I would say that to fix up the subclass is to have the transformation be used an amount of times equal to either your Charisma Modifier or your PB per long rest. Alternatively, it can still be used once but instead recharges on a short rest.

    • @omous7770
      @omous7770 Před 2 měsíci +1

      My fix for it was to allow it to be used again for 5 sorcery points.

    • @Thelegendarybros2
      @Thelegendarybros2 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@omous7770I actually really love this idea! 5 seems a little steep but it makes sense for how strong the transformation is!

  • @David-su4is
    @David-su4is Před 2 měsíci

    ❤ Nice love to see this type of stuff.

  • @Dragonfly9078
    @Dragonfly9078 Před 2 měsíci

    One really fun aspect of Theurgy Wizard is it expands your choices for Spell Mastery and Signature Spells. Any cleric spells you get from theurgy count as wizard spells for you, and are written in your spellbook, so you can get things like at will Cure Wounds or Sanctuary

  • @user-hh7qi4qb9n
    @user-hh7qi4qb9n Před 2 měsíci

    Awesome video! Thanks

  • @aaronhull9505
    @aaronhull9505 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Small nitpick, Celestial Warlock is the same as the light warlock, just with the features slightly changed and in a different order. Having healing light at 1st level and giving a 60 foot range is amazing.

  • @XanderMander006
    @XanderMander006 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I absolutely love the Phoenix Sorcerer! It would give me the excuse to play as an actual phoenix (picking Aarakocra for my race).

  • @theomegazed213
    @theomegazed213 Před 2 měsíci +1

    My personal favourite forgotten subclasses are the MTG clerics: Solidarity domain is an interesting support tank combo, Strength domain lets you be a war cleric with shileighleigh or thorn whip, Ambition is a slightly different trickery cleric, and Zeal domain is tempest domain turned up to a million (replace lightning damage with fire damage and give it haste and fireball). I love these subclasses but never see them talked about

  • @logankadrlik6766
    @logankadrlik6766 Před 2 měsíci

    I would love if you cover more of these subclsses.

  • @FLStyle
    @FLStyle Před 2 měsíci +1

    Nice use of the Majin Vegeta sacrifice, good job

  • @thegayghost872
    @thegayghost872 Před 2 měsíci +8

    Another “lost” subclass is the Love Domain Cleric, which got deleted almost immediately and replaced by the much less interesting Unity Domain

    • @kamchatmonk
      @kamchatmonk Před 2 měsíci

      The world we live in. War and Death domains are fine, but Love is problematic.

    • @weaselwolf
      @weaselwolf Před 2 měsíci +4

      ​@@kamchatmonk is not that the concept of love was problematic, it's that the way the channel divinity future is described is gross and rapey and the general concept of a character whose whole thing is magically forcing people to fall in love is creepy at best. The mechanics of the class were pretty much fine and the spell list wasn't bad in a vacuum, but I'm the context of the test of it, it's just nasty
      Same reason philter of love doesn't exist anymore.
      Using magic to make someone fall in love or be infatuated with you is just not great and we've all known at least one guy for whom "God forces people to fall in love with me" is a character concept that is going to be badly abused

  • @gregolder1713
    @gregolder1713 Před 2 měsíci +1

    We have a homebrew Bard Class that might be worth looking at: College of Love (Troubador/ Gallant). At 3rd level, you get to pick three of the following skills or proficiencies: Insight, Persuasion, Deception, History, Martial Arms, Medium Armor. Poetic License : Also a 3rd level, you learn to inspire others to express themselves and find their passions. An ally that has a Bardic Inspiration die from you can roll that die and add the number to a Charisma or a social based Skill check; he may choose to use after he has rolled but before the Dungeon Master has ruled whether it succeeds or fails. Silver Tongue: At 6th level, when you cast the spells charm, friends, or suggestion you can choose to have either give the target disadvantage when making a saving throw to resist or making the spell subtle so as to try to make the creature unaware that it has been charmed. If the latter, so long as the commands or suggestions made upon the creature aren’t too outrageous or too far out of character, it must make Will saving throw in order for it to realize it has been charmed and become hostile as per the spell description. Otherwise it will consider its actions while under the bard’s influence an odd moment, perhaps brought on by strong drink or a momentary lapse of reason. Love’s Arrow: At 14th level a Gallant and his allies, when fighting in the cause of Love and the virtues that he believes in, can expend a Bardic Inspiration to add to a Death Save to avoid dying (having received a vision of his beloved or another dear one asking him to remain). Alternatively, if the last Death save fails upon reaching zero hit points, he or an inspired ally can roll a Bardic Inspiration die to receive an equal number of temporary hit points to try to do one last heroic deed and say an inspirational final farewell before expiring. If magically healed or bandaged before this final death, the bard or his ally stabilizes but any temporary hit points gained from this Bardic Inspiration are gone.

  • @joeyfromschool
    @joeyfromschool Před 2 měsíci

    i LOVE the satire bard, that’s such incredible flavorful mechanics. Like that seems like so much fun

  • @creedence2587
    @creedence2587 Před 2 měsíci

    Love this video concept. Perhaps you could due all of the UA classes?

  • @jaeded2391
    @jaeded2391 Před 2 měsíci

    I'm running a campaign using the EGtW soon and I've been looking for a good class to assign to Leylas Kryn. That Undying Light warlock looks like a winner, so thanks!

  • @jamestaylor3805
    @jamestaylor3805 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Genie Warlock 10 plus Ranger(any subclass) Deft Explorer 10 equals upto 288 fireballs in a day, every day, forever.

  • @terrorofdeath3280
    @terrorofdeath3280 Před 2 měsíci

    I'm about to run a Witchlight campaign with a couple of friends that both took the Witchlight Hand background, and one of them asked if they could use College of Satire for their Bard. I immediately fell in love with it, and let it in.

  • @cloudeon3468
    @cloudeon3468 Před 2 měsíci

    Seeing the planeshift documents get covered wiuld be cool too!

  • @helixxharpell
    @helixxharpell Před 2 měsíci +2

    We're creating a whole set of sub classes for the base classes for Khor The World of Many Portals. Those sub classes are EXTREMELY MARKETABLE to players & DMs who want "world-specific" subclasses that can easily be "ported" to their own worlds.

    • @garyasselstine9186
      @garyasselstine9186 Před 2 měsíci

      I'd like to learn more about Khor and your subclasses. Where would I go?

  • @ozpin8329
    @ozpin8329 Před měsícem

    I play a Phoenix Sorcerer/Undead Warlock multiclass in our group's Eberron game!
    She was a runic scribe in a former life when she was attacked by a vampire, and in order to stop the transformation into a spawn she absorbed and bonded a rune of fire magic into her soul. It's a really fun character to play thematically. When she's transformed using her Form of Dread, her Mantle of Flame is black and red fire that swirls around her.

  • @garyasselstine9186
    @garyasselstine9186 Před 2 měsíci +1

    All your multiclass building videos and NOW lost subclasses!?! You're driving me CRAZY!!!... Thank you sir.
    Just a couple of comments...
    1. Without meaning to poach your material from Ryoku... Could you find find us some more "lost" elemental subclass builds for a L5R flavored game? (A metal mage, a sea sorcerer, a wood witch, an icey enchanter... etc)
    2. If the builds are OP and are all members of the same party, do they help even everything out?

  • @plank4235
    @plank4235 Před 2 měsíci

    Planning a warforged armoror artificer multiclassed with Tempest domain theurgy wizard and i love it!

  • @teddytackleson595
    @teddytackleson595 Před měsícem

    With your homebrew suggestion for the Satire Bard, my first reaction is that it would be a little problematic because it would let players purposely do some meaningless roll to get rid of the penalty, but the more I thought about it the more that absolutely falls in line flavorwise for a kind of jester bard who will do some kind of stunt and purposely fail to play it up for laughs (like slip on a banana peel or get pied in the face). Cool video all around!

  • @TheHappiestofHappyTurtles
    @TheHappiestofHappyTurtles Před 2 měsíci +1

    Can't believe you left out the part of Theurgy Wizard where you can just take spells from the cleric spell list after gaining all the subclass spells, and that they count as wizard spells for you! I am convinced at will Cure Wounds with Spell Mastery is the main reason it never got published.

  • @MemeatorMotivatoroftheMemes
    @MemeatorMotivatoroftheMemes Před 2 měsíci

    I am actually setting myself up to play an Oath of Treachery Paladin in our next campaign.
    Going to have a lot of fun with this one!

    • @woutvanostaden1299
      @woutvanostaden1299 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Be sure to pick the sentinel feat. (Because of how it works with mirror image) 😉

  • @humansteve3402
    @humansteve3402 Před 2 měsíci +9

    I want more dragon subclasses

    • @Ganurath
      @Ganurath Před 2 měsíci +5

      Where's the Dragon Pact Warlock at?

    • @everythingsalright1121
      @everythingsalright1121 Před 2 měsíci

      More dragon themed ones that worked better would be nice...

    • @chattychatotchannel
      @chattychatotchannel Před měsícem +1

      I’d want more fiend and fey subclasses and also a lycanthrope subclass

  • @nlcs_math8957
    @nlcs_math8957 Před měsícem

    My first 5e character was a drunken master monk/trickery cleric eladrin. The treachery pally reminds me of that character. She could redirect missed attacks, make a duplicate, deal poison damage - and with the elven advantage feat, I was generally rolling 3 d20s and taking the best.

  • @thefloridaman41
    @thefloridaman41 Před 2 měsíci

    I’d love a pt2 to this, Ranger in particular has a couple badass unearthed Arcana subclasses we never got officially printed.

  • @brettmelnrick4854
    @brettmelnrick4854 Před 2 měsíci

    Gracias amigo, good stuff 😁😎🙌

  • @benthomason3307
    @benthomason3307 Před 2 měsíci +1

    a theurgy wizard picking arcana cleric as their domain would be the equivalent of that time Brian Cranston walked around wearing a mask of his own face.

  • @josephpurdy8390
    @josephpurdy8390 Před 2 měsíci

    I came up with an apparition sorcerer origin. Concentration while unconscious, spell casting while unconscious, out of body observations/spell touch, and possession of targets like magic jar without the jar.

  • @gamerchad2908
    @gamerchad2908 Před 2 měsíci

    for the oath of treachery, at lvl 20 you can get advantage on your attack that deals 20+20+20 dmg, thats only if you dont count your str modifier and smites
    (20 dmg for the 2d10 when advantage + 20 because of the level + 20 because of the icon of deceit)

  • @morrigankasa570
    @morrigankasa570 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Very interesting video, the only Sub-Classes mentioned that I would like are: Undying Light Warlock, Phoenix Sorcerer, and Theurgy Wizard. The other 2 are not my style/preference.

  • @TheLordofMetroids
    @TheLordofMetroids Před 2 měsíci

    There was one I remember that was like favored soul I want to say for a sorcerer that eventually was workshopped into Divine Soul, IIRC that was a really cool subclass.
    Firet level was domain spells from one cleric spell list, So a massive amount of extra spells for sorcerer. Also gain light and medium armor. 6th level was an extra attack. 14th level was at will wings that come out as a bonus action. 18th level was when you cast a spell from your chosen cleric spell list you regain chr mod+ spell level hit points.
    This sounds like a really weird subclass that could lead to all sorts of crazy shenanigans at high level play.

  • @cameronpearce5943
    @cameronpearce5943 Před 2 měsíci

    Mordenkainen’s codex of allies did a fantastic revamp of Collage of Fools Bard that I use for my Jester character in Curse of Strahd

  • @shanecollett819
    @shanecollett819 Před 2 měsíci

    We've got a campaign rolling up, DMs let me roll up the Theurgy wizard, but hes also been chilled with my multiclassing into Cleric. Only doing a single dip for the domain. But shes rolling up the beauty and fate UA. Hyped AF

  • @spacemarine79
    @spacemarine79 Před 2 měsíci

    when you mentioned Theurgy Wizard, you was basically describing Elminsters class from the Forgotten Realms area that has Myth Draynor in it

  • @DominoPheonix
    @DominoPheonix Před 2 měsíci

    oh that add was a great chuckle

  • @Lafinout
    @Lafinout Před 2 měsíci

    As a Dark Pit main and a paladin player in DnD I appreciate his theme playing on the paladin part.

  • @aquamarinerose5405
    @aquamarinerose5405 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I wish we got a Phoenix Sorcerer that worked like Pathfinder 1e's take on the concept, where you can make your fire spells heal your allies

  • @user-nb8sg5cy5f
    @user-nb8sg5cy5f Před 2 měsíci +2

    I really like the stone sorcerer. It is the melee sorcerer we never got to see.

  • @kyleklerk6519
    @kyleklerk6519 Před měsícem +1

    Did anyone else consider that a lv.20 life domain theurgy wizard can cast cure wounds infinitely, basically becoming the greatest healer ever with both the lv. 1 and 17 heal bonuses from the cleric? I love this LOL

  • @Lngbrdninjamasta
    @Lngbrdninjamasta Před 2 měsíci

    I once played a multiclass undying light warlock/Phoenix sorcerer it was so much fun. It took so much to keep him down lol

  • @qrowbranwen1864
    @qrowbranwen1864 Před 2 měsíci

    I've seen mention of Way of Tranquility Monk, but haven't seen it in any books. Closest thing to it I found was Way of Mercy, but they're still quite different

  • @rusticdebris8021
    @rusticdebris8021 Před měsícem

    Phoenix soul sorcerer is so fun with Transmute Spell and Elemental Adept. Ignore fire resistence on powerful fiends and dragons, and make EVERY spell a fire damage spell with a few sorcery points.

  • @edwardg8912
    @edwardg8912 Před 2 měsíci

    Another one I recently actually wrote an update for is the Stone Sorcerer. Also Raven Queen Warlock.

  • @emperortime4380
    @emperortime4380 Před 2 měsíci

    I was really hoping this was going to feature the Path of the Depths Barbarian. It was one of the most fun Barbarian subclasses I’ve played, not because it was particularly powerful but just so flavorful. There was nothing that put you in the nautical vibe like manifesting a spectral anchor and dragging enemies toward you.

  • @TheWizGamer_
    @TheWizGamer_ Před 27 dny

    The Treachery Paladin is basically Talion from Shadow Of War. Thank you a lot for finding me something I could play easily without needing to multiclass Ranger,Warlock, and Fighter or needing to look at Homebrews.

  • @kedraroth
    @kedraroth Před 2 měsíci +3

    I'm still waiting for my Lore Master Wizard subclass, Scribes took a lot of features from this subclasses but is not the Lore Master that I want to play, I want a wizard subclass master in spell penetration, modifying spells and expertise in knowledge skills
    The cooncept of this sublclass is awesome, I want to play a Lore Master since they appear for the first time many years ago

  • @barondragonborn4860
    @barondragonborn4860 Před 2 měsíci

    Not going to lie, I didn’t even know you had tier for games. Would have loved to join, but the slots are currently full. Still enjoying the Ryoko content regardless. Keep up the great content and May the dice forever roll the way you want them.

  • @NightLexic
    @NightLexic Před 2 měsíci

    For a build using the Phoenix Sorc, Elemental Adept is mandatory to make sure everyone gets burned by your flames (cept those that are immune).

  • @Riptide866
    @Riptide866 Před 2 měsíci

    I have actually always looked at these when I was making a character, we even have had a Pheonix sorc in a game

  • @Phoenix58585
    @Phoenix58585 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think you missed the implication of the Phoenix sorcerer to be kind of melee. You cast a few things like flame blade, fire shield, mage armor and shield ready to accompany all of that. Then you go into melee, where you can deal really good damage with flame blade, have a good AC and if they hit you they take a ton of damage from your Phoenix abilities and fire shield. And if they kill you, you deal a bunch of damage while dying and come back with 1 hp and then bail out to cast scorching ray, firebolt, and fireball from the back lines.

  • @demnix6210
    @demnix6210 Před 2 měsíci

    I loved the stone sorcerer, it was flavoursome AF.

  • @Tryson101
    @Tryson101 Před 2 měsíci

    I would be interested in seeing a lost subclass for each class in the future. I didn't even know that these existed.