Cult of Forgotten Shadows - The Forsaken's Dark Secret
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2020
- The Forgotten Shadows is a mysterious group of shadow worshiping undead that reside within the Forsaken. Let's learn about this cult that is one of the most intresting details in World of Warcraft lore!
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That's something that UC was missing, a shadowy church quarter. They just stuck priest npcs with the warriors.
I mean it would make sense, Lordaeron was a human city, and would probably have had a chapel of the light inside. Seeing it perverted with Void imagery would have been cool af.
The whole city is one big fat shadowy church quarter imo.
@@jeremyabbott4537 well, everything above ground in the city is ruined, and all the underground stuff was built by the undead, hence no former churches of the light
Now I wonder why there's no church in Capital City
Maybe Sylvanas didn't want religion competing with her cult of personality? Even in TBC (when I started playing) the Forsaken have a cult of personality if their "dark lady watch over you" line is anything to go by.
Shadow Word Gun. That sounds interesting. I would like to play an priest with that ability
Ez, play outlaw rogue
Hunters would like to copyright you.
*a priest
Than also holy Word handgranade
@@xxsafaron3358 you have nades in engineering. But you can't have a holy nade - that's for worms!
this isnt just a lore video about the Cult of the Forgotten Shadows, this is the Master Class to become a proper shadow priest
First step: pick a race that fits the theme; Barbie Elves are not intimidating. Undead, Troll or Mag'har Orc, or hell even Nightborne if you must play an elf.
Undead Barbie goth elves with long hair draping over their face, there you go
@@cabrondemente1 Void Elf, got it. The closest to the void as possible.
This is my favorite WoW channel now.
The quality, the clear voice, the funny jokes. So good!!!!
I really appreciate not just this video, but that you discuss the nuances of gray areas in lore. A lot of "lore experts" never mention how common ambiguity is in lore.
That's weird. Lore is kinda inherently vague and ambiguous, folklore/word-of-mouth style
The name sounds like one inactive dead guild.
My first character was an Undead Warlock the first year WoW came out, along with a Human Paladin and Human Mage.
What I like best about the original story of the Forsaken was its writing. The Forsaken knew they were Undead and understood their previous life was over. They were forlorn, wary, dedicated and very independent, they saw the Horde as a crutch rather than their faction. Some Forsaken disliked the Horde as much as the Alliance, or didn't care whatsoever and only sought to survive. And beyond that, they knew the Scourge of Lordaeron, the same faction which murdered them in life, was not too far to the East, in the Plaguelands, there was a feeling of ominous dread even in the low level zones of danger and horror. The music built the environment, accompanied by a dark green sky and blighted, haunted, forests. Such an environment in the early 2000s made a Warcraft fan's creativity run wild.
But, as time progressed, I lost my interest in the faction as it seemed to have lost its rustic tenacity and underlying mysteriousness, it became a moustache twirling faction. In the original game, most Forsaken were evil, but it was usually out of pragmaticism coupled with bitterness, it was not arbitrary; they usually were testing alchemical substances on the living or sought to maintain their state in undeath, not randomly attacking people. And, interestingly enough, Sylvanas was not really that much of a centerpiece, she pretty much stayed in the Undercity, trying to figure out how to handle leading a nation of Undead, maintain her sanity and deal with the Dreadlord governing with her. So, the personalities of the early Forskaken were far more varied and the Cult of Shadow clerics, along with alchemists and a lich, generally got more attention, creating many storylines.
I don't play WoW anymore, but I will always remember my first character inspired by Kel'Thuzad in WC3 and TFT.
"and then he turned himself into a pickle!"
old gods: 1:36 the funniest shit I have ever seen
Thanks for watching! What lore do you want covered next?
P.S - Please ignore that in the video I call them "Cult of Forgotten Shadow" when in fact they are called Cult of Forgotten Shadows"
Varian Wrynn's story from the WoW comics
Twilight's Hammer would be interesting, because I don't think I ever fully learned why they were formed, when, who all their leaders were (I just know of Cho'gall) or what kind of influence they had on the Horde and Alliance.
It would be cool if you could to a Tauren thing
More priest stuff!
I love your videos man, thanks for this. Will you be doing new expansions lore? I stopped playing after Pandaria and have been mostly lost with all the new races and developments. Also, could you do a playlist or series like in order of each expansion and what the story or stories are for each of them?
Her "Knifu" 😂😂
Wow, that face reveal at the end was epic! So, bad joke time: If you could form a raid group from this cult's members, would it be a raid of Shadow legends?
You ruined my day, thanks
If you were in my guild, I'd ban you for that joke.
I started as a Forsaken, love that class race. Good times!
KOTTRIG!! I wasn't expecting to see Shadow Granny on youtube, today BUT HERE WE ARE.
This is when I LOVED the Forsaken till they wanted to turn our leader into Super Evil Bad Guy of the Expansion. Before they decide to make her evil Sylvanas hits home the Forsaken when you do the old Silverpine quest line and you are riding with here and she basically tells you how the Forsaken ARE the people of Lordaeron, and funny enough, SHE IS RIGHT! Like from Classic up to that point in the game, if you play Forsaken, you come to realize that the Forsaken are not just some Squatters that just took over the place, they are the very people killed by their own Prince, turned to undead and force to kill their own people, only to FINALLY be free and hated by their own countrymen and families. Playing both sides shows you that a LOT of the families the Forsaken have are still alive on the human side.
It’s why I always find it funny when you get quest for the Alliance to kick out/kill some Forsaken in some manor or building because 99% of the time that Forsaken OWNS that place and has owned it in both living and death. PFFT, “Take back Lordaeron from the Forsaken!”, you mean kick you the very people ya left high and dry, then tried to kill them when they finally got free, and you are shocked and amazed they hate you all??? Sorry, but the way I see it The Forsaken taking out Gilneas is more of a, “that’s what you get for turning your back on the rest of us when we needed you behind your wall!” Then again so much stuff and be recon over the bloody years that it drives me nuts! You want some real villains of WoW, go look at the bloody Nightelves and Highborn! They are the cause of SO MUCH stuff and get off so scot free it’s a pure crime!
The whole "b-b-but we are the original inhabitants of Lordaeron" excuse doesn't hold water considering as an UD player you purge all the non-UD former citizens of Lordaeron in the Eastern Kingdoms, as well as attacking the humans of the other Human kingdoms. They also killed BASED Garithos, the former Grand Marshall of the Lordaeron army. Never mind the fact that even in vanilla WoW the Forsaken see "life" as a disease and are working on a plague to "rescue" everyone from their ultimate death. There is a reason they start off with neutral with the rest of the horde. The Forsaken are a dangerous abomination and need to be purged from the lands of Azeroth as proven by their actions not just in classic but in later expansions. No amount of mental gymnastics can change the fact that they are in the wrong.
@@HYDRAdude The forsaken had to push them out because they would attack them anyways. The world sees the forsaken as an abomination, but if they were in their shoes, they would see why they do what they do. Read the pre-bfa book "before the storm" by Christie Golden. It tells the story of Calia Menethi's understanding of the forsaken people, and even becoming undead in the process. Not forsaken undead though.
Idk about scott free, 90% of the high born population died to the scourge, and they corrupted themselves with fel magic.
They really fumbled sylvanas story
@@HYDRAdude What if they are in the right? what if life is a disease?
I’m binge watching all your videos, they’re so entertaining! Keep it up pleaseeee
2:44 her mind: exists
Xal'atath: it's free real estate
It reminded me of this : czcams.com/video/z4iiyRv_NrQ/video.html
Shadow Ascendants are more cannonical after 8.3. We now have Void Ascendants, ritualists that turn into void revenants in Ny'alotha. This is extremely similar to the description of Shadow Ascendants.
The mix of lore and memes and the god lvl editing is just so fun to watch! Haha this is the greatest youtube ever.
Some very heavy powerful stuff here. Thank you for putting this video together.
Great stuff as always!
Awesome video man!
' group of depressed emos trying to find meaning in their miserable lives ', yeeees. yes vanilla Forsaken!
The Whisper in your ear scene literally makes the video, its a yes from me
Hey platty! Great video as usual! Keep up the good work!
"What if we combined Nixxiom and Nobbel87..?"
So... Nobbxiol?
@@xylisisvarlett3734 Nixxibbel
I never thought of plat like that but I love it. Nixx was king of the wow machinima silver age.
Thanks for these. They are awesome
I always enjoy coming across a platinum wow lore video i havent seen yet. Especially when its about something off the beaten path like a forsaken shadow cult or the darkmoon faire 😎👍
Dude that's a great video! I'm a fellow lore freak. I just discovered your channel because people were mentioning your new 'trailer' during the Hardcore tournament.
Your videos are absolute best.
Shadow Word: Gun sounds like a name of a beta spell that everyone knew would never make it to launch, but they left in as long as possible because it's silly fun.
haha great video man , love the random edit as well its funny af XD
Love your content!
HAHA love that cut to office statement at time stamp 9:19. Just sweet as can be, made me laugh out loud. We need all that laughter.
Man i don't even know what that cult is but since a video from you i can't wait to watch it
Ty for new vid
6:28
I loved how the music changed for each of them.
*knifeu*
cannot ... stop ... laughing ...
KOTTS ART HAS GOTTEN SO POPULAR THAT YOU USED IT IN YOUR THUMBNAIL?!!
THAT IS AMAZING.
ngl when i saw kottkrig's art in the thumbnail i was like HOLY SHIT- bc i love their art so so much ;v; and seeing it featured with one of my fav WoW youtubers is so awesome
I love your videos man
The thumbnail for this is always funny when I see it
I still want to know where Xal'atath came from. Like, why did the orcs have it in the First War? Where did they get it? Was it brought from Draenor, or did they find it once they passed through the portal? If they found it on the Draenor side of the portal, is it related to an Old God from their world? I know there's an Old God being summoned over in Outland in our timeline, so maybe that's viable. But if it isn't, and the dagger was found on Azeroth's side of the portal, then where was it found, and how? Did they use magic to divine out the presence of dark artifacts that the demon blood-crazed orcs could wield against humanity, or did Xal'atath reach out to the orcs somehow? It had to be from the southern Eastern Kingdoms if so, as the orcs did not move north past Elwynn until the First War's conclusion, and the weapon was allegedly in use throughout the war. So, if Xal'atath is Azerothi in nature, it had been in the Swamp of Sorrows, Stranglethorn Vale, Darkshire (at the time known as Grand Hamlet), Deadwind Pass, Westfall, Redridge, or the area in the southeast that we now refer to as The Blasted Lands.
Im pretty much sure kiljaedan extracted the blade from the shadowlands (just like he did with frostmourne and the helm of domination) and gave it to guldan. That would be my guess
@@Nighttimeqt1 But why would an object related to the Old Gods (or at least related to imprisoning them) come from the Shadowlands? As far as I can understand, since the Shadowlands exist on another plane of reality, and since the Old Gods are obsessed with taking over the physical universe, the Shadowlands probably don't have much, if anything to do with Old Gods. Still, Ardenweald is connected to the Emerald Dream, and that was able to be corrupted by Old God influence, so maybe Shadowlands denizens are more familiar with Old God stuff than I would think, but I suspect they don't have any Old Gods living in that astral realm. If anything, Shadowlands beings probably only care about the anima droughts Old Gods would cause if they extinguished life as we know it, since no new souls would be coming to the Shadowlands, but I don't think they would have special objects like Xal'atath for dealing with void beings. The Legion only obtained Frostmourne, the Helm of Domination, and the Plate of the Damned because they were made by the Runesmith character we'll meet in the Shadowlands who can infuse objects with the death energy that permeates zones like Maldraxxus over in the Shadowlands, but I doubt that Runesmith is a master of void magic as well, since that's considered different in Warcraft from Decay, which is the 'element' that fuels the Shadowlands, not the void magic that the Old Gods are associated with.
@@FishSkeleton- You seems to know a lot about lore... And what You said makes sense, i have no idea about the blade origins, i'm still a noobie lorewise :( - but its interesting nonetheless, i'm going to Google a bit hahah
@@Nighttimeqt1 I'm mostly just thinking out loud while pondering stuff we already know in the hopes that it might explain some of what we don't. Here's hoping we'll get a more clear explanation on this eventually.
I dont even play anymore. But your videos are so well made. You earned a sub
You’re a beautiful boy and your videos are always entertaining.
Natalie is my favorite champion from the Priest order hall. I did a ton of reading about the Light and Void when i did the introductory quests, and her story really stood out.
After vanila, lore went like "Lets make cool shit, will think about lore later"... it worked for a while, but some time near cata development devs just lost the track and it all snowballed to a state of lore we have today...
Well vanilla lore was all about nostalgia for the Warcraft RTS games.
@@Dularr And HUGE and I mean HUGE inspirations from DnD and Warhammer universes. WoW took so many things from them.
@@Sioolol and from just about everything else. Of course, I believe, Blizzard was going to licenses the Warhammer IP for the Warcraft RTS games. Luckily for Blizzard that deal fell through.
@@Dularr if you consider that Blizzard started working on WoW before even releasing WC1 then I guess it's kinda reversed
Kott's art,so on point, as well as the video*_*
Knifeu... That is amazing
love ur stuff
Bruh! This cult sound like it's got some Nietzschean and Freudian themes going on. The struggle against nihilism, forging a path for yourself while balancing between the shadow(literally a topic of a lot of Freud's and Jung's works) and the light, in order to become the übermensch. Excellent video, keep it up!
Awesome video
damn just this noon after i opened HS and saw the new basic class legendary these, i searched about natalie seline and the cult....good stuff
Sounds like Nattily was able to resist the will of the blade, what with it having to get the followers to kill her.
Fcuking great work !
This is a very interesting part of wow lore, I think it draws a lot of inspiration from the real life Protestant Reformation. You have an established religion, the Church of the Holy Light (catholicism) challenged by a similar but different faith of former members. The Cult of Forgotten Shadow is reminsecent of protestantism by:
1) It's decentralized nature, no central authority which allows for the springing of many subgroups with different views
2) It's focus on the individual rather than a greater whole. For example protestants gave a great emphasis on followers reading the Bible themselves to draw their own conclusions, which horrified the catholic clergy. You also have the idea of predetermination in calvinist protestantism, the idea that God already chose certain individuals who will be the only ones to have access to salvation, and of course the links between protestantism and the rise of individualisticly driven capitalism as demonstrated by Max Weber (ia the idea that the pursuit of individual success, like getting richer, is a sign of God's favor).
As a sociology student, I did not expect the pleasant surprise of seeing a Max Weber and his analysis of the protestant reformation on a Platinum WoW video!
Made my day better man!
@@Phyyte It's big brain time.
Cool analysis, you dont get to see these kinds of comments often in WoW videos!
@@tomminisokwakus Stay tuned as next time we will talk about the links with XIXth century social darwinism and the split between Thalassian and Darnassian elves.
Except cult of forgotten shadow is cool and interesting like Catholicism, unlike Protestantism which is bland and boring.
Retail lore videos please (and thanks your videos are really great)
The forsaken are my favorite race, I always played them. Being depressed and angry at life itself is too relatable.
Owie the edge hurts
Anyone else find it funny that Forsaken is somewhat synonymous with what draenei apparently means? Like there are two ways to go in life I guess.
BUT PLATINUM WHATS THE BEST HUNTER PET!
would love to see more Paladin stuff maybe?
very good video
The horde War Campaign goes into pretty good detail on how the Forsaken had to deal with their new affliction and the troubles they went through when they are turned.
When he brings up Shadow Ascendants I thought he was just referencing that thing shadow priests can do but, I guess that's something different. My first ever character was a forsaken holy priest. I've always loved The Forsaken and I definitely like them better as complex characters rather than cartoon villains. Also, I'd love to see Platinum cover forsaken lore. :)
heres what i want to know, can the forsakes actually wield the light in lore? like obviously in game you can, but can they lore wise? i have a hard time viewing undead allonsus fowl using shadow. ive heard arguments that they can't because the light burns them but i always thought that was the cool part about it. forsaken priests always talk about will power, their racial is about willpower. i like the idea that the light totally does burn them but being a forsaken priest means your will power is strong af so you endure it to still tap in to that power, makes it to where even holy forsaken priests still have that angsty edginess that shadow has
The Forsaken wielding the Light, to say the least, is an... interesting subject, given how the Light will─as you said─burn the undead wielder. Essentially, when wielding the Light, it just hurts them like hell to do. But, in regards to your question: yes, the Forsaken can wield the Light. The caveats being, as stated previously, it's immensely painful and requires a large amount of willpower (they'd have to really, really want to wield it). Something to note is also, although the Light excommunicates undead (as this channel puts it), the only prerequisite to actually wielding the Light is that... well, you need to believe you're wielding it for the right reasons. Arthas, for example, lost his connection before undeath because he was having doubts in it. Meanwhile, the Scarlet Crusade's (a group established as a villainous one) members have been seen wielding the Light because they believe they're doing good.
All in all, yes, the Forsaken can wield the Light, although it's difficult, painful, and often rare. Other undead have also been noted as wielding the Light, such as Sir Zeliek (one of the Four Horseman of Naxxramas); he did it out of sheer willpower, like many Forsaken individuals would.
JamesZych they can use the light, alonsus faol is a forsaken who uses the light for example (and previous leader of the church of the light before becoming forsaken)
Wielding it does cause them extreme pain however (which is likely a factor why the cult of forgotten shadows became popular among them)
Priests simply use the light and it causes them immense pain (not actual harm from using it, just pain), but paladins are actually infused with light so it’s unclear how that would effect them. I can only think of one paladin undead, one of the four horseman from naxx, I don’t believe there’s enough story to him to tell us definitively if forsaken could theoretically be paladins, or if he’s just an exception.
According to the UD priest NPCs in UC they "twist" and "bend" the light to do their bidding. How exactly they accomplish that is another matter.
I was actually wondering why the Forsaken can be priests and not paladins.I believe that to be much more appropriate than the cows as paladins.After all they were/are humans (those of the former kingdom of Londareon) and apart from this class the paladin they were always able to be what a human from Stormwind could be which further empowers my statement/question!After Cataclysm though they added Gilneans and now the tall fatasses Kul tirans being much different than dipicted on original warcraft 3 and the human race is a mess much like the 4 races of elves.
As far as I know according to the lore majority of the Forsaken priests are shadow priests because of the Light burning them when they use it
3:58 Oh hey! I keep my books in coffins too!
6:18 is just like this is content that was cut and never really flesht out in the main game.
I always found it interesting that the voice of the Raven Lord in Heroes of the Storm is Nathanos Blightcaller.....
and that the Dark Lady's banner is a Raven.
And that, in Wrath, there were Scarlet Crusade shadow priests who weren't shadow priests but were some sorta void tinged Raven callers.
So in short.. I think Nathanos is a Void Lord in disguise! :)
true facts, I rolled an undead as my first character, but I switched to alliance after I went to that room in the undercity.
Thank you for mentioning the darker aspects of the Forsaken in Vanilla. It needs to be talked about a lot more. A lot of people seem to have missed or forgotten all the bad things the Forsaken have done throughout the franchise, thinking Sylvanas' villainy came out of nowhere and that she and the Forsaken as a whole were just misunderstood innocents before BfA.
I was always thinking of Forsaken as for the most humanity (its doubting part) like faction in the game. All the other factions have their meaning of being. Light, nature, chaos, war, money, power, technologies, religions, cults, etc. And Forsaken, on the other hand, are forsaken by sense. Searching for the meaning to somehow make their miserable life worth living.
But in the end of the day, what are we if not slaves to this torment? (Hello there Arthur!)
i like that they kept them alive in legion tho. its cool to see such a fun faction return.
What is the transmog piece for that full face covering the one priest wore? Nice looking piece.
5:30 Huh, honestly sounds like a twisted, but interesting take on zen Buddhist philosophy mixed with humanism with whole ultimate goal of achieving a higher form of spiritual existence by becoming reincarnated as a being of pure shadow of immense self mastery. Really interesting stuff that I wish Blizzard would have explored more or atleast back when I still had faith in them. Also I like how the philosophy/pseudo religion was decentralized and having many different sects with many different explorations of the concept of the self.
Also I do like the idea of Forgetten shadow practitioners regarding the entities of the Shadow with respect but don't really worship them but understand that they can be useful in the pursuit of one's own path towards shadow awakening and achieving a dark counterpart to the concept of nirvana. The shadow entities could be seen as assortments of bodhisattvas, entities often regarded highly by buddhism in general but not necessarily worshiped, more like examples of what one can do to aid them on their own path through life or obtaining ultimate freedom from this mortal coil i.e. for many FS sects becoming shadow entities like these never mortal creatures.
Unfortunately, anything that isn't Christian is satanic. The universe can't create itself, meaning God exists, and this God is the God of Moses, the God of the Jews, and the God of the Bible. The reason we know this is because God himself came to the earth to once and for all reveal himself to us in Jesus Christ
@@AR15andGOD
Kinda agree, it's actually pretty hard for western writers and worldbuilders to get OUT of those imagination templates informed heavily (usually unintentionally) by collective Christian theology and abrahamic traditions in general. That said honestly alot of them don't pull nearly enough from some of the more obscure and outright heretical (as in no larger established sects of christianity today would accept) Christian denominations and their traditions or theological ideas i.e. the Cathars or Christian sects that rejected the idea trinity, most of these were formed when christianity as a whole was still a new and decentralized movement which meant A LOT of exploration of different views on jesus, christ, their nature and what did it mean to follow him. *There was no such thing as cannon back then and was basically a spiritual free for all* were each group no matter how small or how out there was to be seen as any less legitimate than the other. I mean well atleast to any outside observers that is, ofcourse there was STILL plenty of sectarian violence between many of these groups on their disagreements regarding doctrine, what old traditions to keep, what to discard, and what was christ's nature i.e. was he purely flesh, entirely spirit? neither? both? Something else entirely? These were in the early days of Christianity NOT as *'settled'* questions as they might be considered now, atleast among today's largest and most powerful sects of the faith.
Actually that's partly why I like the idea of the cult(s) of the forgotten shadow as a concept, reminiscent of those early days of Christianity, were their wasn't any BIG, overarching authorities who would dictate what is or isn't cannon and the undead shadow priests being those early Christians from various sects who are basically making up their own traditions and brewing their own theologies based on how they viewed their relationship with the Shadow and even the Void and how they are to spread their message or what ideological stances they subscribe to.
Oh hey I recognize that art piece in the thumbnail :D
If there were more shadow classes, like a shadow knight (opposite of pally) pr something. It fits so well with undead
love it
Genuinely didn't even know this cult existed in lore... nice video man! And thanks for informing me on this cool undead shizzle
So not only my main undead priest is a perfect match for me, but also his philosophy is my philosophy of thought and emotion of oneself transforming the world around them.
Would be cool if we got some side qiests that involved the various player class factions from Legion. In DF after all you would think the druids shammans paladinis would be interested in a Deathwing like set of enemies. Not to mention, the Mole town down under odd to be full of shammans. The black prince's retainers should be infiltrated by rogue from Ravengold. Etc.
0:32 whatset is that mask and shoulders from on the forsaken priest?
Do more about undeads or humans
OMG. The experiments the forsaken has been doing almost sounds like they are some mage!
Sylvannas looks surprisingly good with a mustache.
i can remember an old offical roleplaying guide (not sure about the english word) and it stated that the forsaken through their curse feel an urge to harm all living beings. so they seem only parttime emo. also since they gave dks later a similar but more painful description too one can assume it probably part of the undead curse used by the scourge.
always loved forsaken. theyre relatable and bastardous. forsaken by all except themselves.
Oh god 'Knaifu'. I'm dying lol
1:20 - Is that the Gore Nest soundtrack from Doom?
I played an Undead Priest in Classic WoW. I wasn’t even aware of the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow. I simply enjoyed the irony, as the lore said that the Undead couldn’t use the Holy Light.
Veri interdasting vedjo
Knifu ...love it! :D
Natalie was also fortunate to find a blade that matched her mog so we'll. You can't destroy that.
What's that armor the middle guys wearing at 0:30
Hey little mama let me whisper in ur ear was hilarious
Forsaken will always be the best race.
what's the name of the emote made by the female human at 2:50 on the bottom left of the screen ?? i saw it at the end of another video and i don't know if it is a custom animation or currently in-game
Undead DK in Necrolord Covenant.
Wait did I miss something - how did the orcs invading from Draenor get ahold of Xalatath which is from an old god from Azeroth no?
I wonder if members were kicked out of the cult for forgeting their shadows.
Selene over her nightmare walking into the obsidian dream.
So... these guys are pretty awesome, eh? I'd love titles referring to this cult for my Holy looking DK haha
I’m hoping one good part of corona quarantine will be more platinumwow videos
is it possible to roleplay as a forsaken rouge or shadow priest that is a pysicalpath by nature?