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I have a unit since months and its in my continuous workflow. Amazing drum destortion unit! Actually I more use it as a creative unit than a mixing unit.
@Jonathan Stark it's what happens when watching an amateur review something they haven't spent adequate time with. Nothing wrong with being an amateur but CZcams has lowered the bar for information by a lot.
The mid drive in the guitar pedal version, the elektron "analog drive", is based on a tubescreamer as far as I know/hear. It is probably a similar circuit in the heat.
Did your hair got in the inputs ? It looks a bit distorted... :-) Love the midi connections on the Electron, are the buttons programmable or (and) do they respond to the midi learn functions of 3rd party vst's in your DAW ? Would make a nice controller that way and a lot more versatile device . Many Thx. and keep'm coming !
How did you solve the level issue? I initially bought it to play it live, since the circuits sound awesome and its very playable. But because I already do mixing live I found that dialling in the levels on the fly was too much overhead for me. Great thing for the studio tho imho!
Do you think that "Clean Boost" could be a good solution as a soft clipper for mastering? Anyway, an analog unit connected via usb only is something incredible. Are there any other units with that system on the market?
Can I ask two questions about you mixing at 192khz? Firstly, do you have to have your buffer / latency all the way up to handle all the tracks and processing at such a high quality? Secondly, what you use to get your mix back to 16bit (or 24bit) 44.1khz? Love your channel, thanks for the cool vids.
Maybe the reason for the gain issue has to do with Plugin Development levels. SSL, Slate, Waves, etc. usually calibrate their inputs so that -18 dBFS in your DAW is the same as 0 on the VU meters of a console. So if you have hot STEMs or trackouts at, say, -6dBFS for Mastering headroom they would be clipping the shit out of the plugin's input.
Damn yes, i never used it and actually never bought/demoed it, but just the fact that you can change compressors types without huge changes in level and other parameters is outstanding. Seems very versatile and convinient for Waves users with an insert for other Waves plugins between modules. I'm too lazy to download a demo and try it out since i don't like the sound of Waves plugins in general, but i will definitely watch a Snake Oil episode if Snake Oil Guy will make one.
Anyone know how to use it with usb only? I'm trying to do it with mpc one. Is that possible? I think the moc one does 44khz and the heat does 48 kHz, so it can't be used as a sound card. Is there another way? I'm routing the mpc to the model 12 mixer using usb only. Any hope for usb only for the heat in this situation?
I’m picking up my second AH next Friday. Killer when I want to change the character of my drum bus (or individual tracks as well). I’ll be using the 2nd for mastering tracks. Easily my favorite piece of gear, excited to see a MK3 version come 2020.
One important issue for me that no-one seems to notice is that analog devices have way more resolution in the range of the control knobs than digital ones do. Often you can hear the steps in the changes when turning a purely digital knob as the transitions are low resolution, whereas analog simply doesn't have this. Since this unit is a hybrid of analog and digital, it would be good to know whether the resolution of the digital stepping is noticeable
I think it only gets interesting when you combine the envelopes/filter/EQ. The saturation distortion etc… is nothing to write home about. But I’m spoilt for choice with amps and valve overdrive pedals etc… Would need to try one. It is stereo though with a lot of control. Just don’t really like the overdrive on my analog rytm but don’t get me wrong I love elektron just don’t think fx are their strong point. Cheers for the demo 👍
Nice device, but I suppose it is working as an audio interface when you use it with the USB connection? That could be a problem in the windows world when you've already got an audio interface connected to your system with ASIO drivers (more or less mandetory in Cubase and other windows DAW's). I guess you've got to choose between one or the other. Audio device aggregation in windows is a real pain. I tried it once with my Steinberg UR-242 and a Blue Yeti USB mic through ASIO4ALL and it mostly worked but then you can't use all of the UR-242's features. I bet you better use the Analog Heat without the USB connection in this case? (but missing the DAW integration). According to their website it comes with software but no mention of drivers. My experience with class complaint devices is that functionality / feature support differ between operating systems and you often need manufacturer specific ASIO drivers to get all features to work in windows whereas on an iPad things work driverless.
Digitone uses the same software system (Overbridge) and works alongside my audio interface (in Windows) with no problems. I don’t see why the Analogue Heat would be any different.
The usb output very surprisinglu sounds better than the stereo outs with Mogami througu my Neves. I have no idea why but they killed it with the usb function. No noise in the usb cable for the first time ive ever found. Any other product ive ever tried to record audio and usb there’s a horrible digital ring. This product is has been one of my favorite purchases. I love using the side only mode on instruments
It's not really meant to be used in this way particularly. Most people use it as the last part of a live setup's signal chain, so to "master" the live sound.
I think if you know what you're doing and suits the project it can be a really nice finisher. People used to master to a lossy format called tape. If you want transparent mastering stick to high end gear. If you want colors for your bus, this is one of the best devices for that. Look, I wouldn't put my SSL bus compressor on a master bus, that for me is way more desperate than using a saturation device like this with care.
A collection of cheap sounding saturation/distortion circuits that all mainly add noise, including "Clean boost" mode. Filter is "ok". To be honest not much (anything?) is available at that price, that is stereo and of course its an Elektron box, so you are paying mainly for the brand. I stopped using mine in the studio, it adds noise even when I send a signal in hot and use "clean boost". The first 3 circuits are the only one that are worth using for my taste, the rest are ok if you want trashy distortion. Only use it when I play out and want a DJ style filter inserted on the mixer's master buss.
@@WillyJunior Yeah, I get that but the problem is the first part of your premise is flawed. "Taste" is subjective. Whatever form of music you listen to, there is a group of people who said it was "noise" at one time. You could inform the guy about the merits of saturation/distortion instead of telling him he makes shitty music. It would be the nicer thing to do.
So, if as he said in the conclusion, this isn't really a "pro solution", what would be a close comparable product that IS a "pro solution" just wondering...
The whole universe is build on the laws of nature. These physical laws are informations. Always consists on informations. Always is virtual. Analog is vitrual too. The analog equipment have just little bit more bitrate.
@@DekriteN09 $799 us the going rate here in the US. But I gotta ask, is this professional gear or is this consumer-level gear designed for making hard techno? Because it's relatively cheap for one and relatively expensive for the other.
@@robertsyrett1992 around 500€ here in Europe. I believe it all depends on how you see this unit in your workflow, if it useful for you or not. I find this unit useful for sound design and production music, trailer music, hits, brams and drones, at least from what I saw in this video. But that's only my opinion and you may think different
I must be missing something. This had a very lackluster and limited sound. Saturn and SDRR are both way better sounding. I think people are getting WAY to hypnotized by the analog aspect. Unless you need this for live audio, I can't see the point. Way better options from UAD if you do need something live, anyway. If you really need to feel you're using something analog when something like SDRR is better than analog in every way except a tiny bit of latency, just put a tube on your keyboard and tell yourself you're using analog gear. No one, and I mean no one, is going to notice the difference in a finished product except that Saturn or SDRR is going to give you a far better end product for less money and hassle. Snake oil.
Digital distortion still sounds digital. It’s got too much sheen on it. Distortion and compression are two things that digital hasn’t quite nailed yet IMO.
Good idea, but for me it wasn't put together well enough. And the price is crazy. Would pay at most 300$ for that as it is! Not 800$+, especially with how it's currently set up. If they fixed the auto gain compensation, the way you name presets(totally unusable the way it used now, is end up chucking it abroad the room in frustration trying to name a preset on it), and the overall general setup of it is not usable for me. But if it was all redone and say more easily usable with total hardware control instead of having to go into the pluggin, then if okay 500$ for it. Still wouldn't pay what they ate asking if it was fixed to how I like it. I'd rather get the Drawmer 1976! It just use Acustica Audios Taupe and Soundtoys Decapitator in conjuction. Use it with Ableton live and I'm good to go for live use as well. For much cheaper as I've got the computer and live setup already. Idk, maybe it's be good for electronic cats for live use, but not at that price. You can get similar stuff done with a Boss Od 200 live for 250$. Try it out, it's not bad and easier to use, and cheaper. Only thing if change is make it true bypass as it colours your high end to much. If I want a buffer I'd use a Lehlo buffer instead as they sound pristine!
None of the products you mention have freely assignable LFOs and an envelope follower. The Heat is still cheaper and more flexible than say a WA MPX or other color boxes for under 1k
this guy is not helpful at all for people who dont work in a professional mastering studio. also has he never touched an elektron box before? is he not scandanavian? the endless encoders are great, push down for larger increments and turn for fine tuning. also the mirrored functions for the amp page are for preset saving and automation. it's not a downside, it's a feature. and you "don't like" the arcade style very very easy and intuitive naming convention that every single elektron machine uses? you are used to rudimentary simple gear, not modern innovative equipment. this isn't useful information
The Analog Heat is just 8 guitar pedals, a suspiciously digital sounding filter and a decent two band EQ. (We couldn't have gotten three? Like on the cheaper Analog drive?)...As far as the LFO and envelope follower? WHO CARES! That's not what you want when you buy this thing......It sounds BAD! It is NOT a "saturation" box it is straight up distortion....like guitar pedal distortion....IT SUCKS!
Request: please stop the excessive use of cuts in the edit. It seems that you want to cut pauses out of your story every millisecond. Totally unnecessary and very restless. Impairs your substantive good story. CZcams does not charge you per second. And neither do your viewers. :-)
Great video as usual! Fantastic demonstration of the Analog Heat. Been interested in this for a while, might be my xmas present for me from me ;)
I have a unit since months and its in my continuous workflow. Amazing drum destortion unit! Actually I more use it as a creative unit than a mixing unit.
You’re wrong about the output compensation on the drive circuits. That’s what the wet level control is for 🤷🏻♂️
@Jonathan Stark he runs is studio on "192khz" so...
@Jonathan Stark it's what happens when watching an amateur review something they haven't spent adequate time with. Nothing wrong with being an amateur but CZcams has lowered the bar for information by a lot.
would you advice to use a preamp in the audio chain to get more make-up gain?
I appreciate you man :D great great videos
One of my favorite hardware units.
Thanks for demo I was looking at these to push acoustic drums along in the mix perhaps
Did you check out Loopthrotter Satur8? I thought it was much more on point.
The mid drive in the guitar pedal version, the elektron "analog drive", is based on a tubescreamer as far as I know/hear. It is probably a similar circuit in the heat.
Hey nice review. help full. Can you bypass any of the components on the actual kit rather than through the software ?
Did your hair got in the inputs ? It looks a bit distorted... :-) Love the midi connections on the Electron, are the buttons programmable or (and) do they respond to the midi learn functions of 3rd party vst's in your DAW ? Would make a nice controller that way and a lot more versatile device . Many Thx. and keep'm coming !
How did you solve the level issue? I initially bought it to play it live, since the circuits sound awesome and its very playable. But because I already do mixing live I found that dialling in the levels on the fly was too much overhead for me. Great thing for the studio tho imho!
Do you think that "Clean Boost" could be a good solution as a soft clipper for mastering? Anyway, an analog unit connected via usb only is something incredible. Are there any other units with that system on the market?
Interesting stuff, great video :)
The handling with the display reminds me of very old drum computers. And I hated the usability back then :) Thanks for showing us this piece of gear!
Can I ask two questions about you mixing at 192khz? Firstly, do you have to have your buffer / latency all the way up to handle all the tracks and processing at such a high quality? Secondly, what you use to get your mix back to 16bit (or 24bit) 44.1khz? Love your channel, thanks for the cool vids.
yes, and why the hell would you do that, don't you know 192khz is... well :)
What hardware is there similar to this product for a more pro audio usage?
Love your Channel ! Could you review some of the BBE Sonic Maximizer gear ?
Man I was wondering myself how these 2 compare to one another sonically. Good question
You could use a VST autogain for the time bering. Elektron if you reading. ADD a gain compensation to the overbridge beta please.
Some additional headroom and a makeup gain would have made it perfect, but it’s a good way of spicing things up in a small studio setup.
mid drive is really brilliant at making a bass line come through on smaller speakers
yeap
Maybe the reason for the gain issue has to do with Plugin Development levels. SSL, Slate, Waves, etc. usually calibrate their inputs so that -18 dBFS in your DAW is the same as 0 on the VU meters of a console. So if you have hot STEMs or trackouts at, say, -6dBFS for Mastering headroom they would be clipping the shit out of the plugin's input.
Hi do you know the Scheps Omni Channel from waves? Maybe you could do review regarding the snakeoil factor.
I've also requested this
Damn yes, i never used it and actually never bought/demoed it, but just the fact that you can change compressors types without huge changes in level and other parameters is outstanding. Seems very versatile and convinient for Waves users with an insert for other Waves plugins between modules.
I'm too lazy to download a demo and try it out since i don't like the sound of Waves plugins in general, but i will definitely watch a Snake Oil episode if Snake Oil Guy will make one.
Let’s request this in every video until he either does it or tells that he won’t
how would it compare to the elysia karacter?
Anyone know how to use it with usb only? I'm trying to do it with mpc one. Is that possible? I think the moc one does 44khz and the heat does 48 kHz, so it can't be used as a sound card. Is there another way? I'm routing the mpc to the model 12 mixer using usb only. Any hope for usb only for the heat in this situation?
can i use this like an interface and record vocals or synths through it... straight into the computer? if so ill buy this yesterday lol
you can, but it doesn't have a mic amp, so you'd need a mixer or a dedicated preamp to get the microphone signal to line level.
Wholly flask cam Batman! This is freakin great!!
Seems like a collection of distortion modules with more. Would be great for guitar and synths.
I’m picking up my second AH next Friday. Killer when I want to change the character of my drum bus (or individual tracks as well). I’ll be using the 2nd for mastering tracks. Easily my favorite piece of gear, excited to see a MK3 version come 2020.
nice!
Definetly agree on the fact that the make up gain is too low on the machine... I was thinking I was using it wrong :)
I had the same.
Prolly something to use in a Live setting and in a home studio.
One important issue for me that no-one seems to notice is that analog devices have way more resolution in the range of the control knobs than digital ones do. Often you can hear the steps in the changes when turning a purely digital knob as the transitions are low resolution, whereas analog simply doesn't have this. Since this unit is a hybrid of analog and digital, it would be good to know whether the resolution of the digital stepping is noticeable
Why are you recording at 192?
I think it only gets interesting when you combine the envelopes/filter/EQ. The saturation distortion etc… is nothing to write home about. But I’m spoilt for choice with amps and valve overdrive pedals etc…
Would need to try one. It is stereo though with a lot of control.
Just don’t really like the overdrive on my analog rytm but don’t get me wrong I love elektron just don’t think fx are their strong point.
Cheers for the demo 👍
Check out "OTO Machines BOUM" next :)
i was on the fence between Analog Heat and OTO Boum, and choose Boum in the end, sounded better to me based on the demos. And I am quite happy with it
will you also test the oto boum?
Nice device, but I suppose it is working as an audio interface when you use it with the USB connection? That could be a problem in the windows world when you've already got an audio interface connected to your system with ASIO drivers (more or less mandetory in Cubase and other windows DAW's). I guess you've got to choose between one or the other. Audio device aggregation in windows is a real pain. I tried it once with my Steinberg UR-242 and a Blue Yeti USB mic through ASIO4ALL and it mostly worked but then you can't use all of the UR-242's features. I bet you better use the Analog Heat without the USB connection in this case? (but missing the DAW integration). According to their website it comes with software but no mention of drivers. My experience with class complaint devices is that functionality / feature support differ between operating systems and you often need manufacturer specific ASIO drivers to get all features to work in windows whereas on an iPad things work driverless.
dykodesigns2yt search for "overbridge"
Digitone uses the same software system (Overbridge) and works alongside my audio interface (in Windows) with no problems. I don’t see why the Analogue Heat would be any different.
The usb output very surprisinglu sounds better than the stereo outs with Mogami througu my Neves. I have no idea why but they killed it with the usb function. No noise in the usb cable for the first time ive ever found. Any other product ive ever tried to record audio and usb there’s a horrible digital ring. This product is has been one of my favorite purchases. I love using the side only mode on instruments
Pro Tools user here. Do you guys imagine HEAT from Pro Tools were this very exact unit? I'd be thrilled to it.
Just wow. Krac
6:00 Maybe try the "Wet Level" knob?!?
My comment wasn't properly researched. U right
What about just using it as an interface with all effects off? ¿Does it color the sound at all?
i also want to know the answer to this
The interface isn’t great sonically. It does the job, but, compared to my antelope, it is noticeably poorer.
One must be pretty desperate to use it for mastering. For vst warming is great, but what i'm interested is how it compares to Karacter
It's not really meant to be used in this way particularly. Most people use it as the last part of a live setup's signal chain, so to "master" the live sound.
It sounds great for mastering. Low key, it’s most useful function. Makes the DAW feel a lot more analog.
I think if you know what you're doing and suits the project it can be a really nice finisher. People used to master to a lossy format called tape. If you want transparent mastering stick to high end gear. If you want colors for your bus, this is one of the best devices for that. Look, I wouldn't put my SSL bus compressor on a master bus, that for me is way more desperate than using a saturation device like this with care.
@@ModulerDrone 🎉
when should the "analog heat" be choosen instead of the "elysia karacter"?
when you like the sound of one of the two the most ghehe
@@WorstViktorEU what if one likes both sounds but cannot afford both together? 😉
@@bluename4 Ah I thought you meant when to choose it in a mix situation, not when buying. My bad
Interesting? Well, try out "Euterpe Vertice filterbank" ;-)
the magic is the Dirt parameter... adds some great harmonics to the low end.
Seems to be that I get same or more utility from UAD CultureVulture. Love the concept though. Huge fan of all things distortion! 😎👍
If you have a chance try the hardware culture vulture.
@@gwsound ...ohhh man, I’d love to someday. I’m quite sure it’s the beans.
A collection of cheap sounding saturation/distortion circuits that all mainly add noise, including "Clean boost" mode. Filter is "ok".
To be honest not much (anything?) is available at that price, that is stereo and of course its an Elektron box, so you are paying mainly for the brand.
I stopped using mine in the studio, it adds noise even when I send a signal in hot and use "clean boost".
The first 3 circuits are the only one that are worth using for my taste, the rest are ok if you want trashy distortion.
Only use it when I play out and want a DJ style filter inserted on the mixer's master buss.
I watched the whole video and I still have no idea why anyone would want this, let alone need it and especially for that price. It seems like a mess.
Same here
@@WillyJunior What kind of response is that? He doesn't like the product so he makes shitty music? You shouldn't be like that, even on the internet.
Have the heat for many purposes. One is add color on busses. Analog lives.
@@WillyJunior Yeah, I get that but the problem is the first part of your premise is flawed. "Taste" is subjective. Whatever form of music you listen to, there is a group of people who said it was "noise" at one time.
You could inform the guy about the merits of saturation/distortion instead of telling him he makes shitty music. It would be the nicer thing to do.
its the review.....
So, if as he said in the conclusion, this isn't really a "pro solution", what would be a close comparable product that IS a "pro solution" just wondering...
Empiracle labs Fatso, thermionic culture vulture, etc
Check out his review of Elysia Karacter.
Ty!
The whole universe is build on the laws of nature. These physical laws are informations. Always consists on informations. Always is virtual.
Analog is vitrual too. The analog equipment have just little bit more bitrate.
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I like how this thing sounds, and it relatively cheap
How on earth is it relatively cheap?
@@robertsyrett1992 compared to other professional studio staff 500$ is really nothing...
@@DekriteN09 $799 us the going rate here in the US. But I gotta ask, is this professional gear or is this consumer-level gear designed for making hard techno?
Because it's relatively cheap for one and relatively expensive for the other.
@@robertsyrett1992 around 500€ here in Europe. I believe it all depends on how you see this unit in your workflow, if it useful for you or not. I find this unit useful for sound design and production music, trailer music, hits, brams and drones, at least from what I saw in this video. But that's only my opinion and you may think different
It’s musical
This Wasnt the Music style i expected when I started to watch the video ..
With a $30 dollar Klon clone pedal you can get a similar sound
I must be missing something. This had a very lackluster and limited sound. Saturn and SDRR are both way better sounding. I think people are getting WAY to hypnotized by the analog aspect. Unless you need this for live audio, I can't see the point. Way better options from UAD if you do need something live, anyway. If you really need to feel you're using something analog when something like SDRR is better than analog in every way except a tiny bit of latency, just put a tube on your keyboard and tell yourself you're using analog gear. No one, and I mean no one, is going to notice the difference in a finished product except that Saturn or SDRR is going to give you a far better end product for less money and hassle. Snake oil.
Digital distortion still sounds digital. It’s got too much sheen on it. Distortion and compression are two things that digital hasn’t quite nailed yet IMO.
You should put a warning in the title about volume levels! Its blown my ears out geezer?!
Good idea, but for me it wasn't put together well enough. And the price is crazy. Would pay at most 300$ for that as it is! Not 800$+, especially with how it's currently set up. If they fixed the auto gain compensation, the way you name presets(totally unusable the way it used now, is end up chucking it abroad the room in frustration trying to name a preset on it), and the overall general setup of it is not usable for me. But if it was all redone and say more easily usable with total hardware control instead of having to go into the pluggin, then if okay 500$ for it. Still wouldn't pay what they ate asking if it was fixed to how I like it. I'd rather get the Drawmer 1976! It just use Acustica Audios Taupe and Soundtoys Decapitator in conjuction. Use it with Ableton live and I'm good to go for live use as well. For much cheaper as I've got the computer and live setup already. Idk, maybe it's be good for electronic cats for live use, but not at that price. You can get similar stuff done with a Boss Od 200 live for 250$. Try it out, it's not bad and easier to use, and cheaper. Only thing if change is make it true bypass as it colours your high end to much. If I want a buffer I'd use a Lehlo buffer instead as they sound pristine!
None of the products you mention have freely assignable LFOs and an envelope follower. The Heat is still cheaper and more flexible than say a WA MPX or other color boxes for under 1k
Ive found all elektron interfaces to be so annoying and awful to use.
analogue snake
VFX1 uplifter 006
Some of the worst music to demo I have ever heard.
Digitally controlled analog isn't anything new. For $800... I'd expect it to work with 192kHz without issue.
this guy is not helpful at all for people who dont work in a professional mastering studio. also has he never touched an elektron box before? is he not scandanavian? the endless encoders are great, push down for larger increments and turn for fine tuning. also the mirrored functions for the amp page are for preset saving and automation. it's not a downside, it's a feature. and you "don't like" the arcade style very very easy and intuitive naming convention that every single elektron machine uses? you are used to rudimentary simple gear, not modern innovative equipment. this isn't useful information
The Analog Heat is just 8 guitar pedals, a suspiciously digital sounding filter and a decent two band EQ. (We couldn't have gotten three? Like on the cheaper Analog drive?)...As far as the LFO and envelope follower? WHO CARES! That's not what you want when you buy this thing......It sounds BAD! It is NOT a "saturation" box it is straight up distortion....like guitar pedal distortion....IT SUCKS!
Request: please stop the excessive use of cuts in the edit. It seems that you want to cut pauses out of your story every millisecond. Totally unnecessary and very restless. Impairs your substantive good story. CZcams does not charge you per second. And neither do your viewers. :-)