The Knuckles Show is an Obnoxious Mess
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
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The Knuckles show is finally here and boy do I hate it. I’m going to complain about it for almost an hour.
HUGE shoutout to @ChannelPup for editing and Stevie Cole for the thumbnail and helping me get this up online - Krátké a kreslené filmy
The most important lesson here is this: Stop trying to use Holding Out for a Hero. No matter how hard you try you will never top its use in Shrek 2
Wasn’t a fan of its use in the Mario movie
Fr
Every use since has honestly just been embarrassing.
Saints Row: The Third used it pretty well.
No one will top Jennifer Saunders performance, and no one will tell me otherwise! 😤
(Fr tho, Shrek 2 was such a masterful sequel.)
The show so bad, he became Scourge Man.
oh boy! i finally get to hear nicks full thoughts on the knuckles show!
(looks at runtime)
*oh no, i get to hear nick’s full thoughts on the knuckles show*
That was my exact thought process.
This show would've been better if it'd made two changes:
1: introduce Rouge and change Knuckles motivation for going with Wade to hunt down a thief who stole the Master Emerald.
2: Make the Buyer into the movie's incarnation of Snively.
@@Exidel I’ll do you one better. Make the Buyer and the two bumbling agents the movie’s incarnation of Team Hooligan. The Buyer can be a version of Fang the Sniper and the agents can be human versions of Bark and Bean
@@Butwhythough881 why would we want human version of those character instead of the actual characters?
or maybe they could be GUN agents trying to get the msater emerald
I was hoping for the Buyer to be a new character, or maybe the movie version of Eggman Nega or Snively or something.... but.. he didn't even get a name...
Nick calling him “Kid Coodi” is killing me 😂😂😂
I was just gonna comment the same thing! I turned my head when I heard that hahaha 😆 🤣 😂
That one Knuckles focused episode of Sonic X where he got the shovel claws was a hundred times better than anything the knuckles show had to offer
Even in the Sonic X episodes based on the Adventure games, where he has to share screen time with a dozen other characters, it’s still a better Knuckles story than this show.
That episode was honestly what gave me hope for this show after learning that Wade would be involved.
I had that ep on DVD and watched it so many times 😂 I kinda miss huck now lol
Your statement about “How are you going to feel when this happens to Shadow?” made me realize stark contrast I’ve noticed between Sonic fans who like and don’t like the show. The only people who don’t like it are fans whose favorite Sonic character is Knuckles. The only Sonic fans who do like the show are fans whose favorite character is literally anyone but Knuckles. I have a feeling that when Shadow does inevitably get his own entry in the movie series where he gets sidelined for a random human, all of the Knuckles fans are going to be like, “YEAH, NOT SO FUNNY WHEN IT HAPPENS TO *YOUR* FAVORITE SONIC CHARACTER, IS IT?!”
I'll just be like: "Yeah, it is pretty funny and I am having fun, not everything is Citizen Kane", just like I did for the Knuckles show.
"How would you feel if they swapped him out for Shadow?"
when i heard that, i knew we would be getting angry Nick but DAMN
WE'RE ON A MISSION TO PISS PEOPLE OFF TODAY
DON'T STOP
They should have, then Sonic fans would have to face up to how bad it is, you can trash Knux people weirdly accept it, Shadow however is a national treasure
@@krilcI’m a Shadow fan and I would like it, if they treat shadow like they treat knuckles in this series. That would mean that I would get a decently written shadow in a decently received show.
@@Frank-zb7zh you would get a show with Shadow existing in the background of a story centered around Rachel's husband, his love life drama and his trauma with golf.
@Frank-zb7zh you would get a butchered version of Shadow in a show lined with bad jokes & poor writing that probably would change his entire backstory to make it "better" for a wider audience
@@Frank-zb7zhand if you're settling for "decent" and not good, you've already lost fam
The worse thing about this show was Wanda. Like my god she was absolutely annoying and unlikable. And it sucks cause there was a chance to do a cool contrast in which Wade is the goofball smalltown cop whweras Wanda is an actual FBI agent who's competent. But instead she's just a worse and more unfunny version of Wade
FACTS
wade was fine
I kinda questioned if she even was an FBI agent to begin with.
The fact they could actually make a character worse than Wade is actually both surprising and impressive. But not in a good way.
On the other hand, how many times have we had to suffer the tired old trope of "useless dude getting browbeat by superior female version of him for 'comedy' ? I'd rather they not just have the Wanda character at all and contrast Wade with, i dunno *KNUCKLES?*
Honestly, Wanda Whipple is a walking talking physical representation of why women in modern entertainment suck. Ever since the mid to late 2010's to right now, we have been getting women who are arrogant, b!tchy, know it alls who think/believe they're better and tougher than men by doing everything they can (but failing in the process) while also constantly putting them down as they make fun of the many hobbies men like just to look superior or cooler or a queen.
I don't hate the human shenanigans in the Sonic movies and Knuckles show, but they really did lean way too much into that specific aspect for the latter. I just hope the third Sonic movie is like the first two movies and not like the Knuckles show.
Do you want huge swathes of the Shadow movie to not be about the humans, or do you want it to be like the first two movies??
I hope it’s better than the first movie, that’s the only part of this series I liked and it still could’ve done better
Maybe paramount shouldn't have hired people that know nothing about the sonic franchise to work on a show about a popular character that they marketed the hell out of. That's like hiring a bunch a people who know nothing about star wars to make more movies and shows about the series and look how well that's doing for disney, their stocks are down and the newest show is crap, especially since it's made by the personal assistant of Harvey Wienstein.
The Knuckles show is everything I was worried the Sonic 1 movie was going to be... a Movie about this bumbling sheriff where occasionally Sonic shows up to remind you he exists.
@@AutZentusFax.
Imagine if Sonic 3 comes out and instead of Rouge and Amy we get weird quirky human OCs instead
Wade will deliver Amy's "Give humanity a chance" speech to Shadow in Movie 3, triggering his real memory of Maria. Mark my words.
they make rouge a human girl in a bat costume and call her batgirl
@@DarkkirbyKRPG So Chris Thorndike all over again
I think it’s wraps for Amy and rouge
it’s definitely just gonna be the main 4
I would have a breakdown
So wild how Sonic fans thought "well if you don't view it as a Sonic thing and view it more as a buddy cop story" was a good defence for their Sonic the Hedgehog branded tv show
it's really like saying knuckles fans shouldn't be upset for their knuckles show barely focusing around knuckles
and my problem with this logic, EVEN if u view it as that. ITS STILL HORRIBLE. wayde litrally spends an entire episode singing.
Yeah, that’s crazy. Imagine if Mario fans did something similar for the Mario movie, like “it’s not for you, it’s for Mario fans. That’s why you didn’t enjoy it”.
That would be crazy, can’t imagine ever happening tho.
@@Frank-zb7zh I sure *hope* the Mario movie was for Mario fans
@@SquishMTR It was. Wish it also was more than just the most generic, fast pace thing put into a screen.
You know, I wonder why critics ended up preferring this show over that movie. Could it be because it had actual content in it, even creativity?
Guess we will never know…
Ngl making a show for "Knuckles" AND NOT PUT HIM IN IT (Somewhat) is a waste of time AND MONEY, Knuckles is one of my favorite of Sonic characters, and it's annoying tbh
Well, you gotta remember that CGI is really costly, and I think they were trying to save as much of a budget as possible, considering we still have the upcoming Sonic Movie 3 later this year featuring Shadow the Hedgehog.
But if the show did focus on the CGI characters the whole time, or just added too many of them, and there goes most of the money they had.
@@boltthelunarian1405Yet they had the budget for Idris Elba, Christopher Lloyd, Cary Elwes, Kid Cudi, and Michael Bolton no sweat? I call total BS. This is Paramount. One of the biggest studios in Hollywood. If they didn’t have the budget to feature Knuckles prominently in his own show and were “saving money” for Sonic 3, then why waste money on a Knuckles show to begin with? Why not just put that money then towards Sonic 3? How about they use what budget they have on the character people do care about and are gonna be watching the show for instead using it to have Michael Bolton in ONE EPISODE!? This logic is so flawed.
@@Butwhythough881Hype measurement/advertising For the Sonic 3 Movie,
playing With ideas, To see What can Work, and What won't. Also to Help build Hype for Sonic Movie 3.
In principal, It's a Sound idea.
How well It's executed Is another Thing entirely.
@@dr.blockcraft6633 But we already know what works and doesn’t work. We’ve had 2 whole movies to figure that out. This isn’t like we’re back at the first movie; back when we didn’t know whether or not a Sonic movie could be successful. You can still hype up people for the 3rd movie without making a show that sidelines the stuff that we know works.
@@Butwhythough881 Let's also not forget how much licensed music was thrown into this show and not once did they even bother to get music from the games. I enjoyed listening to the warrior and the few other songs they added but come on, why is this show relying on so much licensed music?
Nick Game Apologist, I got a story to tell you about my mom’s experience with this dreaded show. My mom is at best a casual fan of Sonic, she barely gets into the games or other media as much as I do, but she always appreciated the show. When she watched the “Knuckles” show she sorta enjoyed it… Until episode 4 came in with that bizarre musical number and she quit the show immediately, not because she “barely” understood the lore of Sonic, but the fact that there’s a huge lack of Knux in the DAMN SHOW! When she did came back around to finish all of the episodes, she even hated the other episodes even more because of the boring bowling arc. She legit told me that this show barely feels like a Sonic show at all. To all those who claimed that this is supposed to be for people like my mom who casually enjoys the show or isn’t into the series, this is possibly one of the biggest examples I can give you here. If my mom couldn’t get into and wanted MORE of the SONIC characters in a SONIC show, then what does that tell you? BTW, she also enjoyed the first 2 Sonic movies as well, humans and all, but the difference is that at least those movies actually have the decency to SHOW the Sonic characters and have their time in the spotlight unlike the “Knuckles” show.
"She legit told me that this show barely feels like a Sonic show at all."
That's the problem with "character in the real world stories" the storylines become about the freakin' human characters no one cares about. It's why I hate Sonic X.
This man's entire channel is built around being apologetic for things in the Sonic Franchise.
The fact that this show angers him says a lot about it.
Honestly I would argue he isnt even an apologist in anything except name. I love this dude's vids but the man's favorite Sonic game is S3K and his least favorite is 06, and he isnt shy about either, lol
@@seematahir5970 yeah that's fair
I’m digging the whole “Scourge Man” fit you’ve got going on right now, not gonna lie.
I hope paramount DOESN'T make another sonic show or movie like the knuckles show.
I'm afraid for Shadow when he inevitably gets his own spinoff movie and TV show if this is anything to go by
The gun commander show
The Shadow spinoff will actually be Rachel's husband spinoff about his love drama, and that also might feature some black hedgehog in the background cheering for him.
Could be worse.
Could have been made by Ken Penders.
Ken at least would have made it interesting
@@Eminstermore like bizarre
Ngl I would’ve watched tf outta that bs 😭
@@WildWeavilebizarre yet interesting, it's easier for Sega and Paramount to make it as bland as possible.
...ya know now you say it, i kinda want to watch that.
itd have like 40+ echnida new characters each episode and be like... the 'phantom menace' of the star wars movies with no-stop talks about bloodlines and nonsense...
yeah i weirdly want to watch that xD
The biggest issue I have with sonic fans snuffing out criticism and even harassing others for not enjoying the show is that with Paramount also planning on a Shadow spin-off, fans that obsessively defend the show and snuff out criticism are potentially sending the message of “please do this with every Sonic spinoff” to Paramount. Should Paramount possibly listen to these fans and not listen to the criticism being provided, Shadow’s show will most likely repeat the issues with Knuckles. And with Shadow being arguably a even bigger fan favorite than Knuckles, I doubt fans will be forgiving of the show’s potential shortcomings.
You are telling the truth.
As someone who loved Sonic 1 and 2 and hated this series, i agree that people need to let Paramount understand that we no longer want something like this with any other project.
To be honest, I don't even think we should have series anymore, the comics prequels were shorter and better
I wouldn't worry much about that, given the show's scores and whole negativity around it that simply overshadows any attempt at defending it
people are harassed for liking knuckles too
What if people genuinely like this direction for the Knuckles show and want to see more projects like it. Who is anyone to tell them that they are wrong for liking it and wanting more??
Arlo tried to speak his opinions on both Sonic movies because he felt they didn’t represent Sonic at all but he was told a hardy “shut the hell up” from Sonic Movie fans for even suggesting that these movies didn’t feel like the games.
Now it seems the Arlo situation is happening to critics of the Knuckles show but, just like with Sonic 2, what makes the opinions of people who really like this show invalid? I do think this show and this discourse is something Sonic Movie fans kind of fashioned themselves.
@@outtatehinkwellcartoons5876 I dunno, but expecting Knuckles to be a core central character in a series named "Knuckles" is pretty valid.
If we get a Shadow spin off like Knuckles, Ill be INSANELY mad. Especially if they attempt to make it based off that cutscene in SA2 when Shadow said maybe he’ll find his own answers if he came down to Earth.
The Shadow spinoff show will actually be about that GUN agent and his love drama with Rachel.
You don't even have to go that far. I'm not American, I have no idea what the hell a TJ max or Reno is. At least with the Olive Garden thing everyone was equally confused.
oh boy! casual antisemitism!
I mean it could’ve worked if the show had any competency, if the show actually centered around Knuckles and his history and learning more about the human world I think it had potential as a concept…too bad they fucked it up
@@BlakeAtStake The fuck?
@@vibemasterkorosu2469 I was calling dopejoel antisemitic
Honestly the worst excuse I’ve heard for this show so far about the lack of character (also the same excuse that people use about Sonic 3 if Amy or Rouge will not be in it) is "well they can’t put that much character because it cost a lot/think about the budget"
First of all that mean they have the budget to put a lot of A or B list actor in pointless/unfunny human role that have nothing to do with Sonic, but they don’t have said budget for the actual Sonic thing …. Okay ?
And second of all…..IT’S PARAMOUNT, I’m certainly sure that one of the the biggest company in Hollywood certainly have enough money to render, animated, put in the story, and pay the voice actor (if they actually do it lol) for character that fan AND casual audiences want to see
It baffle me that people (and mostly on Twitter) prefer find excuse for the lack of Sonic content IN Sonic related stuff than POINTING the lack of Sonic content IN Sonic related stuff.
they need their hollywood actors for branding, the people they tryna appeal to aint us bro i hate to break it to you
if they just had the cgi and not the top actors it wouldn't make as much money
@@SebTheShinpuruy’all are still complaining abt this show 😂😂😂😂 this happened 2 and a half months ago and it wasn’t that bad if you expect this on earth to have ho humans involved get a life bc y’all needs grow up the sonic movie 3 is going to be good
@@Supershadgers im literally saying the show is good bro
The thing about Wade is that while I don't hate the guy, I liked him in the first two movies. It's the fact that he was in small doses that made him funny, making him mostly the main character in the show is what ruined him and the show.
There are more things that ruined the show but I'm not gonna ramble about it, I just wanna forget it and move on
both the 06 fans can now rest easy knowing it had more Knuckles than Knuckles
Well I'm here. Where's the other one?
The one thing I gained from all this is a curiosity about Knuckles' ears.
He's basically the only character without easily visible ones and I never realized.
He doesn't have them because echidnas are so close to reptiles on the ancestry tree that they just don't have earlobes yet, their ears are simply holes in their heads that are covered by spines. Their hearing is pretty good in spite of that, they say echidnas can hear ants walking around underground.
Being a Sonic fan sounds like an exhausted full time job
Its like watching the weather forcast and its ALWAYS STORMY-
Mania- aye classic sonic is fixed no more proble-sonic superstars. With sonic 4 music on BLAST.
Shadow scene in movie 2. Aye we got sunny skies
Knuckles nahhhhh wayde bowling believe in yourself show review. - maaan that one big hurricane.
Cancel that cookout.
I am getting more and more worried about the third movie not just because of the show but because of all the information we’re getting like the possible lack of Amy and Rouge, the fact the composer would rather use generic ai than music from the games, and the fact they’re making more non-game human characters, it feels like they want to only showcase the characters people like and ignore everyone else even the fan favorites cause they aren’t loved by a lot of casuals. I’m still cautiously optimistic but if the third movie isn’t good or even fun, I think I will be done with this part of the franchise. Hopefully like the games, the third one can be their magnus opus. Toot toot Knuckles Warrior!
There’s also the fact that the “professional” critics praised the hell out of the Knuckles show and ate that shit up which shows to Paramount that they don’t actually have to try to make an actual good Sonic adaptation as long as stupid “funny” human shenanigans are involved, critics will just clap like seals.
..Do we even WANT censored Rouge?
I don't know where this AI story comes out but if you talk about the fake leak on one of the music from the film, it was confirmed that it was fake.
The film will also use live and learn, the main music from SA2 .
There is no confirmation if Amy or Rouge will not be in the film, they very well could be.
Maria and Gerald are in the movie, two humans characters important for Shadow
As for non-games humans, i don't think I've seen any new ones besides Agent Rockwell
I think the primary issue is the marketing as a Knuckles centruc show. Calling it Wade & Knuckles i think would helped with expectations abd at least blunted the blow. I did see some growth for the characters, but felt a little bait and switched.
@@davidgipe997 a show named "Wade & Knuckles" wouldn't bring attention like a show named "Knuckles" did.
90% of the marketing is focused around Knuckles and his action scenes.
Conveniently, noone of the marketing focused on Wade's weird bowling family drama.
It had some funny individual moments but a lot of it came out of left field. I certainly didn’t have “Knuckles at Shabbat Dinner” on my 2024 Bingo card. I agree about not figuring out who this show is for.
I think it is funny how things went. People like the movies in spite of the massive hollywoodian effort to make it the same "animated mascot now in 3d goes through a portal to the real world" thing they absolutely littered the early 2000s with, because you know, it's the most consistent critique the movies got; and the thing they got from it was not "wow people love Sonic" was "wow people love the human characters we made to be around Sonic"
I mean yeah, that's because people genuinely critiquing the movies are few and far between, I know I'd always get shouted down whenever I brought up the movies' massive problems, but if I bring those exact same negatives in the context of the Knuckles show, suddenly the criticism is valid.
@@Peasham whenever i try to criticize these movies, i always get dogpiled by toxic positivity fans that either scream excuses at me like "it's a kids movie!" "it's not that deep!" "you're not the target audience!" "sonic fans complain about everything!", or send me threats containing slurs threating to dox me and wishing harm on me. a lot of these people also use ablest slurs, mock me for being trans, and are obsessed with race
@@SpinelFan64 I can absolutely see that yeah
Ngl Nick, I'm not the biggest Knuckles fan and never have been, but I felt pretty much the same way about all of this, and I have had zero interest in pretending otherwise. I've never seen you this agitated since I don't follow you on social media (probably for the best) but that I gotta hope that rant was as cathartic for you as it was for me.
SEGA taught me the hard way not to get too emotionally invested in ANYTHING to come out of this franchise quite some time ago, but to quote one of your older videos "Critique is *so* important. When [something] sucks, you need to say it sucks. If that bothers you, you're gonna have to deal with it. But if you don't agree with it, it doesn't hurt to challenge that point of view."
So while I didn't get my hopes up for Knuckles+ despite generally enjoying both movies, and I can understand how and why there are fans who can enjoy it in spite of or even because of what it is -- that doesn't mean I despise the cynical embarrassment that it ended up being, any less.
This entire ordeal felt like everything the abomination of human-teeth Sonic represented to the wider audience back in the day. Cynical, below the bare minimum, bloated and tired. It felt like yet another dying breath of Hollywood's paint-by-numbers mediocrity slop designed to cash-in on a big name. And regardless of what the Twitter discourse might say to you or about you, I don't think you're wrong for saying as much. Again I'll reference your S3K video, and remind you, if you need it, of how that game, and this franchise, taught you what it was to have standards. So internalize that, and don't forget it. *You are not entitled for wanting stories to be art.*
P.S.
I hope your personal life changes for the better, sooner rather than later. Sorry to hear you've been going through hard times.
Father, you cannot leave me
I won’t son I never…
*dies*
@@astrothehedgehog16 NOOOOO!!!
I’ll have you know I’m 100% here to hear you rip this shit to shreds.
I'm sort of sick of people saying this show
"could have been worse"
or
"other shows were worse"
because is shit with sprinkles really any better than shit?
Sure they tried harder than the rest to add the sprinkles, but it's still shit
and this is a massive company we're talking about too with multiple backstory setups they can just elaborate and call a show, they could have done just that
but instead we get mid of mid that people for some reason defend just because "oh they didn't have budget" or "it's not that bad"
ok then why was this made in the first place? This sort of just takes a massive dump on knuckles and how now we'll having to deal with the fact that he's stuck with the wipells
in future installments
like how does this happen, this is like if dragon ball made a show about piccolo and he immediately gets sidelined by some random ass newcomer human.
i wouldn't even be apposed to paramount completely retcon this unironic shit stain on knuckles, not like anything is shown about the echidna anyways, nor anything relevant for wade that'll appear in sonic 3 the movie
Ayo paramount start that RETCON real quick man. This show looked like trash!
i've always hated the "others have it worse/could be worse" mentality in general, it just feels like a cheep way to guilt trip and emotionally manipulate people into complacency, and whenever people say it to me irl i want to slap them across the face and then if they say anything back repeat their words back to them
I was planning on doing a series of vlog videos about this series myself, but in the end the only thing I could think to say was "there were 3 episodes of a pretty good Knuckles solo adventure here, unfortunately the show is 6 episodes long..."
To give at least a LITTLE credit for the Doc Brown casting, he also currently voices the big bad (or former big bad) of the Kingdom Hearts series, and while you can definitely hear the Doc in him, he's capable of playing a serious, no nonsense character.
Of course, that's not what Pac-man-attack is. So... man.
Pachacamac in the Knuckles show is literally the exact opposite of a serious, no nonsense character.
@@Rediscool9110% correct, I just moreso mean I think Doc could have been a great cast for him had he been... not what he is lol
I'll admit, Doc Brown as Pachacamac is pretty good casting.
The “Sonic Drone Home” short is literally what these adaptations should’ve been from the JUMP.
Fully CG with sonic and friends carrying the narrative the whole way, through no humans necessary.
The first movie was made on an $85-$95 million budget + $5 million on sonic’s makeover, but now its too “costly” to animate knuckles???? Please these writers simply don’t care abt this series
It's not that they couldn't afford it, it's that they didn't wanna give out the money. Very important distinction.
Tbh I get what you feel nick, I've never watched the show. I've had tons of youtubers spin the opinions (mostly bad besides one sonictuber some may know) and Truth be told, I just find it lame. Knuckles is already pushed aside by now. this is the year of *Fearless* Shadow's year. Who cares about the red echidna? The problem with this form of media is they couldn't really give a dang about the original material, especially cuz they never knew it. The movies aren't the best but i've had expectations low for ages because I'm tired of hurting myself *wanting more*.
Your fighting a fight is much more winable now, but still has the dregs like this series that holds the hope of a better enjoyment and appreciation of us fans and it's media. For me, I am truly saddened that "knuckles time to shine" was best portrayed in a smaller form vs idk something everyone will be more likely to see? It's a shame big red is once again left in the dust for shadow but all i can do is hope a fan fills the void.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who felt that Knuckles got kicked to the curb (on his 30th anniversary of all things) for Shadow. The man can’t even have a year to himself w/o Shadow being brought up. 😢
At least Shadow is actually a popular character who overshadows anyone in the fandom's eyes so there's less of a shame in it, unlike with Wade.
It might get worse though: Rumor has it that Knuckles will have to share his 30th anniversary comic with *Fang* of all characters. You know, the guy who doesn't even have an actual 30 year history to speak of due to him spending most of his existence gathering dust on Segas shelves until last year and who also just got *his own damn comic series* while the Knuckles' Greatest Hits collection struggled so hard to find stories where Knuckles is actually relevant that they had to just print a story starring Blaze in it? I don't want to trash this comic before it's out, but just the idea of using Fang as the antagonist at all seems like it could easily turn the story into a retread of the Angel Island segment in the aforementioned Fang the Hunter comic.
My favorite thing about episode 4 was the implication of humans being able to learn and use chaos energy who knows wade might become the Sonicman of the movie universe which would be the funniest thing
How long are some people going to act oblivious, as to why fans disliked the show? It was advertised as a knuckles show, first and foremost. Nobody expected wade to be the star. If it was advertised as wade & knuckles, then we all would've known what to expect.
The show didn't need to be like the video games one to one. I'm sick of hearing that brain dead straw man, from people that have an issue with fans disliking the show. I'm pretty sure fans weren't expecting the show to perfectly adapt the games. They just expected what was supposedly promised to them. I guess it's wrong to expect what's being advertised, right in front of your face😂I only watched the knuckles scenes on CZcams. That's how I experienced the show😉
Man, I hope that by the time movie 3 comes out, the paramount sonic universe finally fully embraces the spirit of the games. Why not? what does paramount have to lose, when the super mario bros movie did that, and succeeded? I'm not interested in unfunny human characters, taking up shadows screen time either. But, at this point? I'd prepare myself for it. Solid vid nick👍
Literally look at the description of the show or the trailers. Wade is mention or show on them. There literally never misinformed what the show was about.
@@Frank-zb7zh Dude....brother....listen to yourself, and read what I'm saying here. Please. Wade...was not...ADVERTISED AS THE MAIN STAR OF THE SHOW. KNUCKLES WAS. NOT WADE. Okay? re-watch the trailers. The best knuckles scenes were the main focus of them. Not wades. Even in the descriptions you mentioned, knuckles is spoken of like he's the protagonist, and that wade is just along for the ride. And yet, it's actually the other way around when you see the show. Idris aba tweeted about knuckles having "main character energy"😂when the show came out, knuckles got sidelined several times, in what was supposed to be his show. If the show was advertised as wade & knuckles, people like me wouldn't have minded as much. And no, we didn't get what was advertised. Stop deluding yourself into believing that nonsense. It's called false advertising. Companies do it all the time, to get your money. Which is what paramount did, and it worked.
If you, or anyone else who replies still thinks otherwise? then I genuinely don't know what else to tell you people at this point🤣maybe ya'll just don't know how marketing works man, whatever.
@@Frank-zb7zhit is the KNUCKLES show, I expect KNUCKLES to be in more than one fourth of the series
The Mr. Plinkett intro has me dead 😭
Wade & Knuckles
I didn't even watch this show because by the ads alone i knew this wasn't gonna be it. Right after everyone started saying it barely had knuckles on his show, man....
This show was just another example of a massive issue that’s been plaguing Hollywood this past decade, Hollywood is too risk averse and profit fixated to greenlight original stories anymore so screenwriters have been mashing their rejected original stories (which are almost always some thinly veiled autobiography full of self indulgent gen-x comedy) with a preexisting franchise just to get it greenlighted. Unfortunately, it works and Hollywood agrees to it every damn time!
The franchises being used very rarely hold any personal meaning to the screenwriters, consequently, they don’t treat these franchises as anything other than an afterthought begrudgingly included in the story solely because they’re contractually obligated to.
I’d bet money on the likelihood the opening with the hand drawn art on the CDs is a one-for-one depiction of the original logline pitch that got the show greenlit. Of course, the writer knowingly deviated from in order to give more focus to the “original story” the writer ALWAYS wanted to tell far more than any actual sincere addition to a beloved franchise.
I’d say a contributing factor that enables screenwriters to get away with this is Hollywood’s baffling fixation on making “everyone” the target audience, thusly allowing shows/movies to be this carelessly unfocused compares to something that tries to target a specific, defined audience. It’s genuine bizarre when compared to the novel publishing industry, saying “everyone” is your audience is a death sentence for a book proposal, narrow specificity in target audience is a massive component to how they judge the likely success of an original story, saying it’s for everyone is seen as an admission of not having cared enough to make sure it appeals to anyone at all.
Novels have been selling exceptionally well so Hollywood is doing itself now favours by producing these “for everyone” trash heaps.
Regardless, the biggest aspect that leaves me so scorned about these lazy franchise movies is that absolutely ANY Knuckles fan, even one without any understanding of storytelling structure or character arcs, would’ve created something amazing if given the opportunity to write a Knuckles tv series, yet the ONLY people who get that opportunity are pre-exisiting Hollywood insiders with no interest in respecting beloved characters OR the audiences/fans of those characters, they’ve been spoon fed established characters/stories that’d make an amazing adaptation stupendously easy but simply choose to ignore all of it because there’s a derivative and trashy “underdog Everyman” comedy they want to focus on instead.
It's ego boosting for them, they love doing bait and switches like this because they know it's the only way a large amount of people will see the story/characters they've warped and claimed as part of their own original work. The critics will give it praise because they have money invested in it doing well, so they give it high scores hoping to dupe people into believing them.
Ayo your comment like - he got a few words to say. Clicks Read more.
Maan You Wrote a Whole Bookreport! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I agree though with your written statement lol.
Woah, new design! I like it, but I have to say tho. Without any visible eyes, the expressions you can do are quite limited. Though, it still looks cool!
My question is, why did it HAVE to be 6 episodes? It could've easily been a 3 part mini-series. This would've saved them a lot more money and it would have been a better show because of the lack of filler bloat.
ik disney and paramount are completely different companies, and that i'm beating a dead horse that's pureed at this point, but the fact that this heaping pile of garbage gets 6 episodes but season 3 of the owl house only got 3 episodes, which solely exist to wrap the show's story up after disney cancelled it for "not fitting the disney channel brand" still infuriates me
Very excited for the Shadow series where Shadow and Maddie goes to a bingo tournament.
I liked the show, mainly due to my expectations being very low. All thanks to Sonic Forces destroying what little optimism I had left and forever made me the cynical pesemestic guy when it comes to the future of Sonic stuff. Plus, the Knuckles mini series is MUCH better paced than Sonic Prime, especially Season 3 was stuck on repeat, bleh. So remember boys and girls, the best way to handle your optimism and hype for future Sonic content from a 30+ year old franchise is by NOT having any optimism and hype for dis stuff.
that doesn't work for everybody to be fair
they made him jew instead of native american
I thought it was weird when Kuckles did not have alot of screen time. It felt like a rerun of Alf but without Alf.
The show is the worst video game adaptation I’ve ever seen
woah there’s way worse video game adaptation than this, like cmon
@@snowdude8583 at least I felt some joy watching the street fighter movie or Mario movie or the monster hunter adaptation but knuckles was just horrible imo it’s the worst thing to come out in a while
Nick, I want to start off by saying: Thank you.
I followed your channel because I genuinely believe you are one of, if not THE, best Sonic-focused channel on CZcams. Your videos were educated, your view points balanced, and you were able to bring to light the finer points of Sonic lore and history while many others were either shrugging it off or making bad-faith arguments about Sonic being terrible. When I heard you did not like the Knuckles show, I was scared. I did not hate it; did not love it per se, but I kind of liked it. For a moment, I was afraid you might not see the things I liked about it. Thankfully, your video was fair and just as balanced as I've come to expect. You are justified in your view points, and I hope the third Sonic movie turns out to be far better. I stand by you and the points you've made, and I still consider you the best. You may be called the Game Apologist, but this is definitely a moment where you need not apologize for anything.
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That being said, you asked for MY thoughts, so here they are:
I made peace with the fact that we'd be getting human characters and their stories long ago. It's an unavoidable aspect of most live action movies. We've had humans since Sonic Adventure, we've had human companions in Sonic X, we've seen human characters in the comics, and Eggman is human too. I knew humans were going to happen, so I learned to embrace it. I'd be miserable if I didn't. I still want as much Sonic focus as possible, but I'm not gonna turn into a grumpy sourpuss just because humans exist, like I've seen in plenty of other Sonic fans. However, if you are going to have human costars, then you need to understand some very important things...
Make them entertaining. Make them a valuable part of the story. Make the audience GLAD that they followed these new human characters along side the main title characters.
This miniseries did none of that, and as a result, nearly ruined Knuckles along the way.
I was on board at first, but by the third episode, I lost any hope for the human characters. Wade and his sister hate each other to the point where his sister will STAB him without a single shred of remorse, and the mother does nothing to stop it or try and make them love each other. I'm sorry, are we SUPPOSE to like these characters? Cause I don't. Is this suppose to be funny? It's far from it. And they never do anything to redeem themselves. Even when Wade's family is cheering him on in the final episodes, they shove in moments to remind us that his sister hates him with a passion. And the only thing I like about the GUN agents is that it proves there is corruption in GUN, making it far more believable that they might gun down a defenseless girl in a space colony.
By the end of the series, I don't think any of these characters were changed for the better. Knuckles may have learned to relax a little, but I'm still not convinced he has fully assimilated into life on Earth. Wade had his moments, but I am still not convinced he is a smarter or more capable character. His family has not changed in the slightest. There was no reward here. And the scenes of Wade flying out of a cage and winning a sword fight? Forced. The miniseries totally jumped the shark in that moment. It doesn't feel real. It's just a thing that happened. As for Knuckles... Remember that very uncomfortable dinner scene? Knuckles does absolutely NOTHING. He just lets it unfold. We've been through a lot; we've suffered through eras of Knuckles portrayed as a muscle-bound idiot character many times before. I didn't think you could get any worse then that, but they found a way. They made Knuckles dismissive. Yeah! Remember how Sonic 2 made Knuckles cool again? Remember how he was a determined, honor-bound warrior that wasn't going to be stopped? A warrior that lost his family a long time ago and knows how painful that loss is? He had a chance to break up a toxic family feud, to do SOMETHING, and he does absolutely nothing. I cringed so hard, I could barely watch the episode.
Between that, the fact that he doesn't actually train Wade, and the fact that Knuckles' good scenes are limited to action scenes; it's safe to say that Knuckles barely does anything in this show. Even the extended, musical dream sequence robbed us of a good character moment. Knuckles could have been bonding with Wade. He could have been the one to explain his backstory to Wade and us the audience. It could have been animated. Instead, I haven't felt a lack of good character building this strong since I saw the live action Transformers movies.
You could cut out all the pointless human parts. You could collect all the Knuckles scenes, minus dumb parts like that dinner scene, and you'd have a better show. It might not be enough to fill more than one or two episodes, but it would be better. For the most part, it would feel like you're not missing much. No one should be able to say this. Make whatever criticism you want about Tom and Maddie, at least they had some charm and actually helped Sonic grow as a character. Remove them, and you remove an integral part of the movies. Say what you want about the wedding scene in Sonic 2, at least none of the humans suddenly had inexplicable super powers. It's a waste of human characters, a waste of screen time, and ruins the good momentum the first two movies started. Heck, they had Kid Cudi, and he didn't even make a new song for this show. All I wanted was enjoyable, entertaining human characters. We didn't get that, and I don't understand why anyone found them entertaining. They may have been cartoony and over the top, but that doesn't make them good characters.
(Also, glad I'm not the only one shellshocked by a wholesome Pachacamac. Of all the things I could have predicted with this iteration of the Sonic lore, that was not on my bingo card.)
Must your write so much wud 😂😂😂
@@Supershadgers I mean... He asked for my thoughts, so I gave them. 😛
I remember seeing a pitch meeting for cocaine Bear and the producer guy kept asking where is the bear I don't care about the human characters and screen writer said that the bear is entirely in CGI and every time it's on screen that's money out of his pocket so that's basically what they did here.
Knuckles definitely deserved better than what this show had to offer.
Everybody claims the musical episode is the best of the series... but I literally fell asleep during that episode.
PS: Mighy who?
I feel like everyone working on Knuckles were high as fuck because nothing makes sense.
7:20 Huh, he got divorced? Sorry to hear that
I was looking through the comments to see who else caught that. Man thats rough and he's still out here making videos. Strong dude
Oof.😟
I needed this video Nick, because you've reciprocated SOO MANY of my heated opinions about this series.
Wasted potential, wasted opportunities & a waste of time is the Knuckles series.
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but I'm honestly against more Sonic mini series's, especially if this precedent now means something.
We as fans don't just want the content we love to be covered, but we want it to be respected & expanded upon, hence why the Sonic Frontiers Divergence animation is 1 of the greatest pieces of existing Sonic media.
I haven’t watched the show, I’ll admit that. But it seems very much like this show was exactly what everyone was worried the film _would_ be; a vehicle for actors on hard times or not enough star power to dink around and occasionally have a popular franchise IP pop up and wave their hands at the kids, only to faff off once their glorified cameo was done.
I personally liked it, I thought it was funny, the show was about Knuckles training Wade the warrior way. (In this case it was teaching wade to have more confidence.) I honestly believe Knuckles wasn’t in a half of it because it’s a tv show and shows have a lot less of budget than a Hollywood movie, and it doesn’t have to budget to animate him through out the whole thing. So they showed the story through wade. I give it an 8/10
Yet they had the budget to have several licensed songs and some big name actors in there, your logic doesn't make sense. This is Paramount, one of the giants in the media industry, they have the budget.
17:40 - I mean.... do you remember how it was when Footloose was new? That soundtrack was absurdly popular and the songs were on the radio a lot. XD I just looked it up and the album was #1 on the US Billboard 200 for about two an a half months. :D
It’s strange how they casually mention shadow during one of the bowling commentary things when knuckles came crashing through the wall. They say something like “we just looked this up and something like this actually happened 50 years ago. He wasn’t red though.”
To be fair Hallah bread is fire. I love it. No I'm not Jewish.
I'm tired of people defending mediocrity.
Yeah, we need to stop watching shit that critics and the general audiences like. We need to watch something that only fans enjoy, like the Mario movie. Now that is some real shit.
@@Frank-zb7zhbro it has been dozens of years since my mother picked up a controller but me and my mom still enjoyed the Mario movie but the Knuckles show was painful to watch for both of us
I didn't see the Puppet Dad as Locke, but Ken Penders. The glasses and mustache.
This right here.☝🏻
I feel like they greenlit this show before they realized how much CG budget it could actually take. Episode 4 was actually kinda fun, but man I just never want to think about this show again.
If I had a nickel for every time writer of sonic media tried to relate the holocaust with sonic I’d have two nickels… which isn’t a lot, but it’s very weird that it’s happened twice
specifically relate them to the echidnas/knuckles
Is anyone surprised that Chris Chan actually likes this show? The show that focuses on the human characters more than the dude who has his name in the title.
Oh god not chris chan
I dont rly give a damn about chris chan, so no im not surprised, because idgaf
Chris Chan shouldn’t have an opinion on anything ever
Who cares what he thinks
Isn't that literally what his Sonichu comics are?
You are completely correct about this show. The Wade show featuring Knuckles is a massive waste of time and slap in the face.
to be fair he is the GAME apologist... no promises for tv shows
I’m glad people are starting to realize these movies are just an ad and the jokes suck lol.
I love sonic and it crapped on it
nah the first two movies solo knuckles hard
the movies can be pretty good at times, but their potential constantly gets trampled by paramount forcing in product placement, licensed music, dated pop culture references, gross out humor, and poor writing
like sonic 2 unironically felt like it was an early draft that got rushed into becoming the final script due to tight deadlines (filming was underway by march 2021, despite the film only being greenlit in may 2020), and i feel like if sonic 2 had the chance to go though some more script revisions, the film would've had better, tighter writing. when the first film that was essentially a generic "cartoon character from another world teams up with random guy" plot has a tighter written script that's more coherent than the sequel that's trying to be more faithful to the source material, that is NOT a good sign
@@SpinelFan64 i still prefer movie 2 over movie 1 tbh
also yeah it was made during covid so
In Wade's defense, the writers were probably afraid that if they made a real Knuckles/Echidna lore show, Penders would sue them.
They didn’t have to make the show
They could just get inspired by Sonic Adventure.
Penders doesn't own shit about Echidna lore from the manuals/games
@@KeltkeGH He shouldn't own shit in the comics, either. Penders was always making derivative works under license. Sega and Archie have really crappy lawyers.
I’m sorry about what’s going on. I may not know what’s happening, but I just hope you’re okay. 💛
I enjoyed the video, I genuinely hope you’re gonna be okay.
In my personal opinion, I think the show would’ve worked a lot better if they scrapped all the human crap and just focused on Knuckles getting acclimated with the human world and trying to rekindle his people’s past
Facts
Damn a double uploaded in one day?! Must be my lucky day!
7:30 I watched it with a group of people over the course of two days, the first half then the second half. After the third episode we were like "Wow... well... it can't get must worse than this, right?" and were grateful for the break from the show. While we watched the last three episodes we were just miserable and couldn't even poke fun at it. It's just SO BAD. It's a chore to watch. Like some divine punishment for some past misdeed.
Again, these same people have watched the first Sonic movie with me twice and the second one three times. We genuinely enjoy those films and are excited for the third. But now we have a sinking feeling of dread about the third.
@@Scerttlejust bc a show that has Humans in it like girl your a human to and it takes place on earth do what do you expect this to be fantasy sonic games cry abt it bc ain’t nobody care
@@Supershadgers Which part of "We watched the sonic movie twice and sonic 2 three times" made you think my problem with the show is that it has humans?
@@Supershadgers Also my other comment says "I enjoyed the cheesy human moments in Sonic 2. But the Knuckles show was BLOODY ATROCIOUS."
So, no. You're making wrong assumptions about why I think the show is the worst thing I've watched.
@@Scerttle bc most ppl up in the comments think it’s bc of humans when humans are the ones who brought sonic into the world and picture and you guys are humans being critical to humans in a movie that takes place ON EARTH HUMANS ARE THE REASON WHY SoNIC EVEN EXSIST HUMANS SO YOU GUYS cAN STOP Complaining BC if you don’t I will call. The POLICE sega is trying their best the knuckles show isn’t AlL THAT FUCKING BAD
I love Tom and Maddie.
I love Sonic being Sonic Wachowski.
But I can take or leave Wade.
So yeah, the Knuckles series is a 6/10 for me.
Though the fact that Knuckles is the fucking Iblis Trigger? They BETTER do something with that in the future.
ngl i love the wachowski family dynamic, and wish they'd do more with it
*I HATED Wade's family lol 😂.* The sister was nearly unbearable to me. The mother was ok, and Cary Elwes was awesome as always. Oh, and Knuckles was there...
I somehow felt all negative and positive feelings for this show. I was upset we were promised lots of Knuckles and mostly got Wade, but I also love the Knuckles we got. I don't care much about humans and I just wanted Knuckles, but I started to like Wade. I was upset we didn't get more Sonic characters but then again I loved all the Knuckles scenes, and that can be enough. I have never felt so torn around something. I love and hate it. This has to be the most confusing show I have ever watched.
*Has an episode called "The Flames of Disaster" and has that being a big deal.*
Oh, ok.
*Has Knuckles with fiery fists in the last episode.*
Oh, I get it.
*Cue fiery text that spells out "Flames of Disaster" behind him like some cheesy cartoon technique.*
What are you doin-
"tHe fLaMeS oF dIsAstErrr!!!1!111!11!"
I have a theory that the whole quill thing in this show and the movie are building the lore of the Chaos Drives, those pieces of tech that apparently powers GUNs robots from SA2 that usually ends up being used on a Chao. The idea that they are from the quills of the main cast of Sonic and pals makes sense in this context, I was always wondering where they came from. (I think it was suggested by the name that they are extracted from the Chaos Emeralds, but the quill idea ain't bad)
Now if only I was sure they actually INTENDED this possibility, outside of probably just being a coincidence, idk.
I mean, the first movie established how Sonic and his power were unique and that echidnas were looking for him because of it, lo and behold Knuckles and seemingly Tails have the same exact power, so yeah, they ain't used much brain power on this franchise lmao
20:49 Sonic Supermidglitchs
I feel like I’m the only person who likes this show for being fun…
It was a lot of fun, people just be hatin lol. It did focus more on Wade than I would have liked and Wanda was insufferable, but that alone doesn't make it a bad show. People just want all Sonic media to be just like the games, which (with a few exceptions) are notoriously bad lmao
I think it was fun, I wish there was more knuckles but I thought it was a decent show and it made me laugh a couple times
@@uhohkittykitty 2/10 ragebait, nick explicitly said in the video he didn't want the show to be just like the games or filled with references 🫂
@@Hazel_TheOne wasn't referring to him, I meant more the sonic fandom in general. My fault for not making that clear lol
I did too it was a fun show to turn my brain off to, a silly light side thing to get ready for Sonic 3 in December which might be more heavy due to Shadow and his backstory
Why cant we just get a sonic cartoon series like what we saw in that sonic frontiers knuckles animation or those sonic mania animation shorts.
Did you change your CZcams profile? Man, I'm gonna those hilarious expressions, especially the one where it looks like you're about to tear out your hair while looking up with you lower jaw showing.
_If you go in with low expectations, you can't be disappointed_
Wade: Oh yeah? Hold my balls.
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Wade: I mean, my bowling balls...
Just saying, that Knuckles' dad puppet, rather than Locke, looks much more like Ken Penders in his mustache days. The "#1 dad" really drives it home as Ken was apparently really into themes of fatherhood and drilled those into his Knuckles comics.
Was very hyped for this unfortunately I was only able to make it two episodes in
Wait, when did he become scourge? You know what? Happy for his transition 🙏
14:17 To be fair there is ghosts in Sonic I mean in adventure 2 Knuckles literally says “What the… a… ghost?”
I got to Wade's family episode and started fast forwarding to all the parts with Knuckles. I don't know who this was for. They could have atleast called it Wade and Knuckles. Super bummed.
There has to be a fanterm for annoying human characters, like "Kennies" from Brandon Tenold's reviews.
"Chris?" "Elise?" "KEN?" Whatever it is, we can add "Whipple" after it.
One of the biggest problem with the series is the writing.
Each episode seems to be written by completely different people and it really seems like the story doesn't follow each other.
The first episode was good but the rest leaves something to be desired.
Honestly, I don't think an animated Sonic film would change much.
Considering how Prime, which is the first 3D Sonic show to be canon, was a total disaster, i have a hard time seeing a good 3D Sonic film.
Animation does not mean good movie.
Its honestly insane a show like this exists. The first two episodes were pretty enjoyable for me and could of told a very interesting story about Knuckles and Wade understanding more about themselves and their place in the world. Instead we got:
- Main character rarely appeared
- Waaaay too many bowling scenes
- Wanda (Could of been interesting if they made her be the more successful, intelligent sibling that managed to get away with things so there's divide with her and Wade that later gets healed but instead she's an obnoxious brat who idk how she even got that job)
- The Buyer (Nothing interesting and rarely shows up similar to Knuckles)
Its one of the most boring pieces of Sonic media I've had to experience and thats a real shame. I hope if we get more tv shows that the characters get the care they deserve
Happy 1k!!!!
Funny thing. I always thought you sounded like you'd be a good voice for Knuckles to me. Just the way you talk. Maybe not the mannerisms, because that's your personality. But the voice I can hear being Knuckles, especially when you have those slightly lower notes in your voice.
I've just always thought Knuckles would sound cool if he didn't have to try and sound so tough in his voice. Somewhere between the influences of being introduced to speaking Knuckles through Underground/OVA and growing up with the Adventure games, primarily SA2.
it probably doesn't help that Jack Sinclair has a role that could have been easily replaced with Fang the hunter.
Rant review aside, god this rendition of your avatar looks awesome
why in all the knuckles media ive seen knuckles gets sidelined so hard? didnt it happen in the Archie Knuckles comics too??
Not, it actually didn't, Knuckles was always the main focus in the comics to the point of getting his own mini-series. He was the third main lead beside Sonic and Sally in Archie comics