Doggerland: The REAL 'Atlantis'!? : Hidden Histories
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- čas přidán 16. 09. 2017
- Welcome to Hidden Histories. In this series, we take a closer look at the world around us and explore the hidden depths of our shared history.
Today we take a look at Doggerland...
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Trying to find doggerland documentaries isnt easy.
There is properly a lot people don't want you (US) to know.
This is a recently new knowledge, from the last 10-15 years. So it doesn't exist so many documentaries.
You could always check out MVGroup.
BK CheZ Why would "people" not want you to know about geology in the last ice age?
Gagarinone Actually geologists in 1900's knew there would have been land there during the last ice age,admiralty charts detailed the depths around the British coastlines hundreds of years ago! Also this this clip tells us that the trawler brought up that spear point in the 50',I was taught about this in school 25 years ago.
That's true. But it seems that it was underestimated how large Doggerland was. A whole lost continent? Not so long ago!?
I hope further research will give us more information.
I read at some forum, regarding old legends from Irleland and UK, about great catastrophes, is now understood in a new way. Very fascinating.
Imagine getting stuck on "Dogger Island", watching the sea encroaching on your home from generation to generation....getting smaller and smaller as time passed....
Great idea for a new Reality TV show! :-)
Move to Tuvalu, Kiribati, Palau, Solomon Islands, the Maldives or the Seychelles - should give you a fairly good impression of how it's like....
@@gorillaguerillaDK Or you know, the earth in general..
I find your channel consistently interesting, and this comment is just to let you know that I appreciate the hard work you go to even though the view count seems just as consistently low as the content is consistently interesting.
renegade4dio
is your consistent use of the word consistent, consistently inconsistent, or consistently consistent?
Was hoping you'd suddenly shout "not now Grommet, I'm making a CZcams"
Hahaha! I'm reading this before the end of the video and now I can't stop hearing and envisioning him
Hahaha...You win...
ROFL :)
I stumbled upon this, and was waiting for the weird theories to start, but they didn't! Well done, fascinating doc, and I've subscribed!
Fascinating and very informative, Thank you very much.
Nicely done, informative, accurate and well narratived. I'll be subscribing now. Thanks.
Great stuff. Very interesting although I have to admit that, from the Hidden Histories title, I thought it was going to be one of those Ancient Alien type videos. Pleasantly surprised. I'm going to watch more of your stuff if it's as good as this.
That was pretty darn fascinating thank you for this contribution!
Very well done! Thank you for creating this video 💚💚
Reminds me of a strip of land underwater near my home, between Michigan in the US and Ontario in Canada.
Known as the Alpena-Amberly ridge, because it stretches from Alpena, Michigan at it's northwest end, southeast to Amberley, Ontario. There is some evidence there, about 75 meters below the present level of the lake, that suggest people used the narrow strip of land as an opportunity to isolate packs of migrating herd animals some 9,000 years ago. They setup large rocks to funnel the herds into narrow passages where they either would ambush them or run them off cliffs. More and more artifacts are being discovered with each expedition, but the story that is unfolding is a pretty fascinating one, for anyone interested in underwater archaeology or Native American history.
Personally I'm fascinated with history of Earth's greatest hominid explorers, those people who traversed the globe from Africa to the Americas via the Bearing Straits 10,000 - 20,000 years ago. What a trip for people, generation after generation, to live on the move like that. Settling the lands of Africa, Asia and North and South America, as they simultaneously kept on the go. So many languages developed along the way, so many cultures and inventions, but each playing their role in the most epic adventure of in the expanse of mankind's territory.
That's quite interesting. Anywhere I could get more information on this?
Here is a good paper on it:
www.pnas.org/content/111/19/6911.full
There are many sites that cover it as well, if you search for Alpena-Amberley Ridge, you'll find many of them.
Many of the references in that paper I linked also discuss the original discovery, 10 years ago.
Thanks a lot. I'll definitely check into it.
abit where is your dna proof of africa to america? it just seems a large step from what i have seen and would like to know more.
_Crystaline Dreams 8 hours ago_
_abit where is your dna proof of africa to america? it just seems a large step from what i have seen and would like to know more._
It was, thousands of large steps.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
Enjoy.
And read the references, and, the references references.
You'll get a better understanding of human evolution, and a small, but good example, of what sort of factors lead to the evolution of all life on Earth.
There is a lot more to learn about this migration of people from Africa to America, that spanned over the last 100,000 years, if not more. It's not just the history of Africans and Native Americans, it's the history of all mankind.
Good stuff, considering we're the outcome.
Doggerland didn't fully go away, instead many dogging sites can be found to this day within the UK :)
Amazingly interesting! Think of the wealth of unfound artifacts that could just be strewn across Dogger Bank today!
What a great channel I've found and so did our Ancients. Also it's how we ventured from Scotland to Iceland to the lower part of Greenland and on to Canada. Saying this, this is how trade routes were being carved out over all the World for 10s of thousands if 100s of thousands of years. That certainly blows the the world is only 5-6 thousand years old out the window.
I found this program very interesting and very well narrated. This era has always fascinated me and is so easily bypassed
by many in favour of Rome and later Histories. I loved the graphics and map work shown here. Could you possible recommend
any further reading on this subject.
Kind regards Robert.
Robert Hiorns MANY ROMAN EMPERORS WERE BORN IN BRITAIN. THEY WERE TIED, BOTH POLITICALLY AND BY BLOOD, EVEN BEFORE THE ATTEMPTED INVASION. THE WESTERN ROMAN EMPIRE STARTS IN GREAT BRITAIN. IRELAND, THE SACRED ISLE, WAS NOT TOUCHED UNTIL TOWARDS THE END OF THE NORMANS. SLAVERY RETURNED AT THAT POINT. THE EASTERN CAPITAL WAS CONSTANTINOPLE. BUT THEY WERE ALSO IN HAWAII, AND OTHER LOCATIONS. THEY WERE ALSO CALLED THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE. LATER THE BRITISH EMPIRE. WHEN THE EASTERN EMPIRE WAS UNDER SIEGE BY ATTILA THE HUN, THE BRITISH WERE EXPERIENCING SIMILAR ATTACKS. HOWEVER, THE EAST COULD GIVE THEM NO ASSISTANCE. THE WORLD WAS ATTACKING THE EMPIRE END TO END, EVIDENTLY IN A COORDINATED EFFORT. THE TROJANS WENT TO ITALY, THEN ENGLAND. GREEKS WENT TOO. ALL THE HISTORIC CIVILIZATIONS ARE PART OF GREAT BRITAIN'S HISTORY. WE HAVE RETURNED TO ALL OUR OLD HOMELANDS EXCEPT FOR ONE.
Hello Eirann . Can I say how agreeable I find your reply,( Hawaii is interesting but adds up) and what a privilege it is to be in the company of such a knowing scholar. May I say people like you and me will never
be lost too land, sea or air and are always guided home to Mannanan.
I don't know if you read like me, but you only have to look through the associated names in the comments andlistings to see so many lost souls.
Merci beaucoup, l' Mecanicien.
Very interesting thank you for your videos!
There are so many crappy history documentaries on youtube. This isn't one of them. Many thanks for your hard word. I subscribed.
It's hard to imagination that sea levels where a whole120m lower back then.
Don't tell the so called climate experts.
Fresno Pete Games no
Ian Curtis why
I imagine some communities unwisely chose to stay on Dogger Island. They'd have had a few decades of good life with no competition, all the while watching their island get smaller and smaller. Then, presumably one Thursday, they'd have had a really, really bad day.
I really like this video thanks for making it!
Jusr found your channel, very interesting indeed. Liked and subbed.
"A place we now consider to be under the sea". You make it sound like there is someone out there who does not consider it to be under the sea...
Nicholas Sheeler Haha, yes! I suppose I was getting at it being a different world today but it does sound like there’ll be a single person out there in a giant copper diving suit drying to drain the North Sea with a bucket haha.
I dont consider doggerland to be located under the sea, i think its just that the sea is located above doggerland :P
Why the pedantry?
This makes me think of the Celtic legends of Lavondys Tir-na-Fuin, which was supposedly a city that like Atlantis was lost to the sea. The British shoreline is still eroding away...perhaps such a place existed, once upon a time!
Really fascinating!
DOGGER weather area gets a few mentions every day on the BBC Shipping Forecast.
I always wondered who the Hylton doggers were! My mother always warned us not to go into the woods by the river wear because the Hilton doggers would get us.
Mary Maratty I live near the river wear in durham.
Doggers as in people who shag in cars mate
Would crossing this land be called dogging?
Dog or dag ( think dagger)in Anglo Saxon was a word word for sharp tooth/ knife. Dog wood has the same origins; they used it as a blade I heard ( from Ray Meers?) So I guess it refers to the dog's canine tooth. There must be some connection.
Cicero LMFAO 😂😂🤣
The Humour is a bit too British for none natives of our land.
Very good all the same
going doggy
Sure, I always do it Doggerstyle!
Remarcably some parts of Doggerland is now in revers and show above the sealevel. Especial east of Anglia, land is show again. Curious enough science firts noticed this when an 7000 old stoneage "temple" started to show. People once planted a circle of large oak-trees with its roots up and just in a couple of years it was back on dry land again.
The real life Atlantas
It's possible old lowlands elsewhere also drowned, hence the Atlantis legend.
Also, Bible speaks about the flood, wjen the old world drowned. And many other culture have similar
flood stories. I see the Atlantis-myth as an echo of a memory of the lands before the flood.
What supports it, is also the finding of Pyramids, Stone Henge etc. about the same time all over the world.
People surviving the old world build those pyramids.
Mayans linked astronomy/astrology to them, so did Mesopotamians (now Iraq) with their ziqqurats (pyramidlike buildings), 'towers'. Even in Dalmatia in the Balkans there likely was pyramids, saw n archeological video on that here n CZcams. Did the Egyptians build them, or some of their neighbours, hard to know. Also Ural mountains have revealed lately manmade stone structures, and quarrying with some technique, that seems to have melted the stone. Saw video of that too on YT. But, it was a slideshow, so we have to be a bit more careful. But people seemed to walk on manmade stonewalls - made of large stones, like the pyramids are build. And Stone Henge is also linked with observing the celestial bodies. Some stones are set to note the Solstace on the midsummer.
Bible speaks of people trying to reach the heavens after the flood, and then God dispersed them. Well, we find evidense of the ancient people observing the sun, moon and stars all over the planet at about the same time period, and buildings specialized to that. Our time has witnessed space traveling, and many dream about people spreading to the space, so we have something of those dreams left. Hop ewe don't try such things on a high cost to human and other life on this planet.
No plato said atlantis was past the pillars of hercules which is the two points of where africa and spain are closest
The pillars of Herkules are in Spain. Greek adventures like Pytheas (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pytheas) had sailed around Spain and to the North sea. This is where we get the first mentions of Britian and the Baltic sea. So it makes sense to say that Atlantis was "past the pillars of Herkules".
@@Jon-mh9lk Atlantis is described as a ringed island with some nearby island chains, with a massive continent past it in the west. The Azores, and nearby Canaries, fit perfectly. With the oceans being hundreds of feet lower, the Azores become much larger. Plato d scribes simultaneous hot/cold springs (Azores has them), sheer cliffs jutting against the sea(Azores has them), a fertile valley surrounded by mountains(got them too), and Earth with pigments of 3 colors(got them too). Every mention and description of Atlantis fits the Azores. Check out GeoCosmicRex channel, they discuss exactly this, and are trying to plan a trip there soon(2020) to check it out up close and more in depth.
It reminds me of Tolkien's Middle Earth map!
Interesting concept, Eirran! There may be truth to that.
Eirann Lenormand Tolkien wasn't the type of Christian that you'd find shouting on a street corner in Manhattan about being 'da reel izrulites n sheeit', so I doubt it, my capslock friend.
Though the dwarves were undoubtedly based on the Jews, which Tolkien confirmed himself.
+Eirann Lenormand
Unless you're attempting to write fiction, I suggest you make contact to a mental health professional ASAP!
"Tri-racial", "Saladin an Orthodox Christian", "Mohammed wrote the Talmud and the Quran"
Wauuw, just wauuw - I've seen multiple attempts to create fiction based on real events, or alternative history fiction - and I have seen people use fiction as was it based on real events - but somehow, you manage to mix it all up and create a genre on your own!
I struggle with what it should be called; insanifiction perhaps?
+Pippi Elvesse Bernstein
The Quran wasn't written down until several years after Mohammed had died!
Up until then it was always just recited!
When it was written down elders assembled to make sure it was written down as most remembered it!
As both Judaism and Christianity already existed in the time of Mohammed it played an role - and Islam was build upon the Abrahamic traditions and the Abrahamic god!
But just like Christianity and Judaism it was also influenced by other religious beliefs of the area and era!
+QUI3TSTORM
Christianity existed before Islam came into existence!
Christianity is a form of "new Judaism" in the sense that it's mainly based on the Old Testament and the OT god, also called the Abrahamic god. Christianity, while founded on the OT, views Jesus as the Messias and various myths have been included in the narrative about his deeds, some of it is what we today call the New Testament. So Christianity gradually started to spread almost 500 years before Mohammed ibn 'Abdullāh was even born!
Mohammed started to prophetice in the early 7th century and yes, he was heavily inspired by Christianity, Judaism and to some degree Zoroastrianism, (which also influenced Christianity), and various other mythologies of the time!
But calling them one is so far a stretch that no one who takes history or religious history serious would ever do that!
Nowadays there's a little 'doggerland' in every nature reserve car park.
The fission-fusion lifestyle you describe is almost identical to that of the Indians of the coastal United States, eg the Leni Lenape or the Pequot. They even left the same middens of shells.
Thanks for the interesting information 💁 and video 📹 ya I never been out of USA 🇺🇸 in this world 🌎 Lol 😆
You have just earned a subscriber.
Where I live on the uk south east coast by the sea there is the remains of an ancient forest. You can see old fossilised wood.
Very good, thank you.
Love voice! Subscribed!
very good info that we need
Very fascinating! What is the name of the song playing at the end of the video?
under the sea, under the sea darling its better down where it's wetter take it from me.
SPONGEBOB::::lol hilarious
Sebastian was talking about a woman's private part he Jamaican
Nice. Subscribed.
Good stuff, thanks for sharing.I'm building an undersea ROV to explore the celtic sea off the Cornish coast.
I was expecting a land filled with dogs..
I think I was wrong
it probably had plenty of dogs...LOL
Well, we don't know. It's all underwater now. Maybe it was swarming with dogs. That would be appropriate.
The name Dogger derives from Dagger, as does Anglo from Angle and Saxon from Seax, some Germanic tribes took their names from weapons.
Great Video
The older scrolls: doggerfall
Interesting. I hope the nations of Europe will conduct more research in this area.
no, just the fishermen
Sydney Smith Some very much want to, but in many parts the currents are just too strong for archeologists to properly conduct underwater digs.
underwater, not a chance.
Very interesting video
It's only 15 to 36 metres below sea level. How hard can it be to reclaim some of the land. It could be a joint enterprise between UK, Denmark and the Netherlands.
If I may - Ask about the extent of winter sea ice during this period. Following the edge of the ice some of these people ended up in Nova Scotia. Perhaps DNA can help map this
Fascinating.
Very cool, especially considering the later anglosaxon and jute invastions ;p
There is a woods near my house where people go dogging is this the same thing ?
Chillingham Castle video was excellent, so had to check out your other work.
Who could ever resist Doggerland?
Very well done video as well.
Just have to say Mesolithic peoples did not look like Neanderthals, but like modern humans.
Thank you. And yes indeed! Because they were modern humans :)
the dogger bank! like in the song!!!
Really good
Good video.
I like UR REVEALING REAL SUBMERGED HISTORY
1:05 in -- so far so good, just a bit disappointed you didn't put Norfolk on your map for us non-Brits.
forestsoceansmusic its the bit that sticks out of britains east coast like a bottom. Which trust me is apt..
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forestsoceansmusic
Northern part of East Anglia which is on a map.
It'd be cool if they could a stone circle down there.
You have such a great voice
We should polder the entire north sea and restore doggerland.
Great, and it sounds like an episode of Noggin the Nog.
Yes, you DO find shell middens in present day Denmark. But we do not live primarily from oisters any longer. Those middens are very old. ;-) Oisters are not rich in nutrients and may often cause sicknes (as they feed on shit).
typograf62 Indeed. Most of the shellfish in middens are likely to have been used to bait larger creatures to fish/ hunt :)
typograf62
Shellfish of 8,000 years ago were unlikely to have been subjected to the faecal contamination possible in more recent times.
Doggerland currency : the Dogecoin, of course !
I am a little confused. The sea level dropped severl hundred meters because so much ocean water is trapped in huge ice caps. This means that the global temperature had dropped considerably as well. Yet, the narrator describes Doggerland as some kind of lush vibrant land of plenty. I would have thought that it would have been cold and miserable as that which is found above the arctic circle. Am I missing something?
1961casey It’s a huge time scale we’re dealing with, Doggerland and Britain became habitable as the glaciers retreated but before the ‘tipping point’ of water coming back into the sea. Things were cold, cold enough for Mammoth to be comfortable but they also warmed over time. The landscape wasn’t so much lush as it was diverse. There really hasn’t been anything quite like it since the last Ice Age!
Arctic summers can be plesant, but yeah winters are cold and most of the year it will be misty and rainy, and the summer brings a lot of mosquito's.
the eye of the sahara is more likely to be Atlantis. but great video, interesting stuff.
Makes you wonder how much other land was accessible around the world during the ice ages. Australia attached to asia. The under sea ruins of Japan etc.
Peter James Ledwith theres a big trench between austrailia and asia. It was connected to papua new guinea but famously never to asia
Theres a line called the "wallace line" which seperates the asian species of indonesia from the marsupials of australasia..
Martyn Notman i see....really interesting.
R´lyeh
Peter James Ledwith most cities are under water in india those old
Martyn Notman
Between the islands of Lombok and Bali in Indonesia. Named after the guy who, independently from Darwin, came up with a theory about animal evolution,and whose arrival forced Darwin's hand into publication.
In 6100 BC there was a huge tsunami that swept across Doggerland, the event triggered buy a submarine landslide ( Strorrega) may have been triggered by a large earthquake also as the North Sea has a history of quakes above M6-7 magnitude, that tsunami must have been a catastrophic event for the people at the time, actor and presenter Tony Robinson even remarks that this event may have given birth to modern Britain!
This documentary, presented by Tony Robinson, is still the best regarding information about Doggerland.
Giil Dajionn Um why?
Wow those Doggerlanders must have sinned a tremendous lot. I hope archaeologists provide some juicy details in the near future.
Alain Bruguieres Yeah who wouldn't like some mesolithic porn?
It all sounds very Biblical, doesn't it? The man in this video has described the Garden of Eden.
Damn, not what I was expecting.
Possibly in the realm of 'kook' ... but do you have anything on Hi Brasil?
For the unenlightened dogging is where complete strangers join in a humping session. An exuberant couple will say where they will be at certain time. Then cars turn up men and women hide up ready to join energetically in the frolic. That is how its supposed to work out anyway. So Doggerbank may be where it all started just getting stuck in with strangers.
I wonder if they noticed and anticipated the land disappearing and if it was a problem.
Hi Angie Brown, I guess that depends on how fast it happened. If we're talking gradually over milenia, would they have even noticed? If we're talking gradually over centuries, maybe. I love the the stone age btw.
Yeah, they probably knew what was happening. Maybe even receded back and forth often enough over time to be in campfire stories. Question is, were they prepared? Did the process make life harder or easier, could have made fishing better! Probably made life harder resulting in skirmishes with other tribes for territory and resources.
Make Doggerland Great Again
Make Doggerland great again!
lol
🔥😁🔥
This also gives credence to the possible existence of the island of Avalon. Historical, obviously - not the mythical
In Dogger land did they also flash their fire torch and others in the park 😂
Interesting
You should narrate audio books.
Does this have any connection to Tolkien's Dagorlad?
Dagorlad = Battle Plain = Armageddon (the biblical place, not the modern "apocalypse".
You sound like an evil character in a wizard movie lol👍
And thus seals were born!
"Wayyy dowwn beloww the oceann......"
Mammoth cannot live in the tundra. Forget the meager wool not being enough to protect you, there is never enough food in tundras to feed large animals.
NotOrdinaryInGames Indeed. The key element here is ‘tundra like’. It is suspected that much like modern elephants the Mammoth cultivated their environment into what has been described as a patchwork or a tartan of different vegetation and fauna types. There is no place now on earth like the landscape in which Mammoth thrived.
Is this the voice of Curious Droid?
I can't be the only one who watches this for ASMR
GIVE ME A TIME MACHINE. IM GOIN TO DOGGERLAND
I thought this was gonna be a Doggo meme
Unda Da Sea, unda da Sea
I have ancestors that came from doggerland. On my maternal grandfathers side
Hollyraevo Wow! How did you confirm this?
Digging all the lotr nerds.
Holly fuck his voice pleasant to listen to.
How very differently Western European history would have went had this landmass not been submerged. You could walk from Belfast to Bruges.
I came here coz i thought it said DOGGING ,lol! ! ! haha.
who said trolling is not a useful activity?
I did.
The disappearance of Doggerland...
Smirks in Catterland.
Did the water come from the American planes ice melting?
Doggerland = Beleriand
Yes indeed
It most likely be Hyperborea
MY LEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Noah’s ark Timeframe, I bet. Great video. I was previously unaware of dogger’s bank.
M Burk SOME FLED TO IRELAND, BUT THEY ALL DROWNED, TOO. IRELAND WAS OFTEN UNINHABITABLE BECAUSE OF VOLCANIC ACTIVITY. AFTER THE FLOOD, JAPHETH VISITED IRELAND. THE OLDEST HUMAN DNA IS NORDIC TYPE.
THE NORSE ALSO RELEASED RAVENS TO FIND DRY LAND. THEIR ANCESTOR, NOAH, TAUGHT THEM WELL. THE VIKINGS WERE IN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE WORLD. EVEN AUSTRALIA.
Please check the other highly educative short documentaries regarding when the Mediterranean Sea was empty. The Strait of Gibraltar has been open and closed several times.
Here is a clip from a BBC documentary: www.youtube.com?v=BemsLUldVAo
Gakkari Aki Of all the science documentaries I have watched under the latest 20 years, BBC's are the best wellproduced and balanced.
I have understood that I am not alone in that opinion. At #2 is PBS science documentaries.
Eirann Lenormand How could something be "Nordic", when the land of todays Scandinavia was under 1-3 kilometers thick ice sheets?
funny how you connected noah which is a semitic myth to nordics. yeah, jesus was white and god speaks latin. cool story.
Lüven It! Dogga !;)MM