College Campuses Can Be Minefields For Comedians (HBO)
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- Veteran comedians like Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock say that millennials can’t take a joke - but some comics often won’t ever get the opportunity to perform on campus in front of them.
They complain college campuses are minefields of competing grievances and sensitivities for comics whose jokes touch on sensitive subjects like assault or gender,
VICE News went to Boston to talk to three campus bookers - the college comedy gatekeepers - who contend that they’re merely reflecting student taste.
They say they feel old-school comedians are woefully behind the times and need to acknowledge that certain jokes, particularly those about identity and sexual assault, can potentially cause psychological harm. And it’s their job, they say, to protect students from it.
But at New York City’s famous Comedy Cellar, where VICE News talked with standup Judy Gold, nothing is off limits (provided that the joke is funny). Gold also warns students that the “world doesn't have to adjust” to student sensitivities.
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You know it's time to stop when even the Vice reporter is considering calling you a snowflake.
Can they say the N-word though?
@@gqptyu can you??
@@TheAArmstrong I am not the one complaining about freedom of speech though.
Any white person can say the n word tho. We created it.
@@texashippiecowboy8412 Can you? How long do you think these oh so brave comedians' career will last if they used that word during a stand up?
There are lines that people don't cross, whether they admit it not.
Holy Shit. These people actually found a job being the joke police.
Leaving people with no sense of humor in charge of comedy on campus lol that's funny in a sad way
1984
@V. V they are their own religion
All the brilliant comedy they’re missing out on cause they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
But seriously with the prices of college these days I would be more pissed off that they didn’t bring in the high dollar comics if I was a student.
@@nmpete3365 hahaha good one 😉
"it's what the students want"
wrong, it's what the loudest students want.
No it's what they've told the students that they want. We are talking about impressionable teens/early 20s here. They just go along with what the adults tell them and what others say is "cool".
@@thenewtalkerguy496 it's both. there is obviously indoctrination on campuses and I've experienced and continue to experience it first hand. btw it's less about being cool and more about trying to not be uncool. no one gives you much credit for agreeing with them but they will tear you to shreds for disagreeing. most students just go with the flow so just so they can fit in and make friends.
@@toatsmagoats72 That's what I understand the least here. When I was that age it was cool to dissent and a badge of honor to be "torn to shreds" as you say.
@@NA-vj8yr and that's still the case. they are dissenting from mainstream culture and if you're not dissenting in the same way they are, you get torn to shreds.
It’s what the bitchy whiny ones want. The normal people like us suffer silently because most of us are fucking modest
So in other words.. Bill Burr cant perform there
Not just Billy Boy, but Chris Rock, and a plethora of other comdeic characters/icons
@BDom true 😂
or any other funny person
so in other words.. comedians can't preform there
Bill Burr is boring anyway. I wouldn't want to go to one of his shows and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me on that.
vice hiring a journalist capable of grilling both sides of the argument? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
good on ya
That's what I was thinking, wtf is this? I am shocked... typically the Vice reporter would be high-fiving the students for pushing censorship or ideas.
This guy used to work for Reason Magazine and Reason TV.
Jared Wales so that's why he sounds familiar
He's great. Check him out on the Fifth Column podcast. Michael Moynihan.
I'd hardly call his interview with Judy Gold "grilling", dude has a clear bias
haha Chris Fleming made a good point
"You're not even listening to me, your just laughing because you heard bisexual!"
basically
Crystallized this kind of “comedy” in one phrase
That little trio of tumblr cringe-inducers are literally the most annoying types of people. They are no fun to speak with, and I avoid them at all costs
Yet they control who gets to perform at these places, l just couldn't stand watching after a few mins.
@@briancomley8210 no shit, right?
They even LOOK like sjw tumblr people ksksks 🗿
Great job!! 'speak with' rather than 'speak to' - I can just never bring myself to say 'speak to' somebody, and I almost never see or hear anybody else using 'speak with' - much nicer English in my opinion. Thanks :-)
They abide by the party line. These types would shoot you for disagreeing if they could.
That crowd is horrifying
The goddamn nose rings. Its a big sign - *AVOID*
"I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." - George Carlin
Wise words from a wise man.
He was a genius.
It's nice to see left-leaning VICE finally be critical of the oppressive left.
@Jon dow they might but I doubt the army would.
@Jon dow If only we'd implement mandatory service for all U.S. Citizens. You'd get less disconnected hipsters and politicians who might appreciate what people sacrifice to keep a Nation afloat.
"The world does not have to adjust to you, so figure that out." I love it.
"The world has to adjust to us, to be fair."- anyone else smell oppression, bullying and social "self denial"?
@@shithappenedwhatnow3028 - I do! I do!
f0rumrr yes. It’s true that she said that and that was a good point. It’s too bad the rest of her routine is a bunch of “orange man bad” unfunny cringe. I don’t even like Trump, but that’s some low hanging fruit
"The world doesn't owe you anything, it was here first." - Mark Twain
The most entitled point of view is thinking you should get paid to say whatever you want even if people don't find it funny. And all her jokes were bad regardless of who she was trying to offend.
This is horrific. The three bookers made my skin crawl. Look at the righteousness in their eyes, so sure they know whats best. Teach your children to identify people like this and protect themselves.
The bookers are going to help the Future suicide statistics go up... the next generation are going to fall apart the first time someone in the reaL world tells them "they don't give a Fuxk how they feel get it together"
“They do comedy for claps, not for laughter.”
- Andrew Schulz
So basically, they look for a comedian, then read through the comedian's set, scour the Internet for any clip of the comedian making a problematic joke, then stand off stage, ready to cut the mic at any moment. Sounds like a great place for a comedian!
It sounds like North Korea.
Oh no save the comedians! Someone call Amnesty International.
And then all of a sudden it becomes "Oh no save the journalists! Someone call Amnesty International."
They don't deserve entertainment in this way. Their entertainment is themselves, whining about everything. Misery loves company. They call people like that "toxic".
They better break out of it while their young, or they'll be on antidepressants, if they're not on them already.
I'm a transgender woman and this kind of shit is why I can't deal with a lot of the mainstream trans community, and have severely reduced the amount of time I spend in trans-centric spaces. Everyone is way too sensitive about everything and will treat microaggressions as grave unforgivable offenses. Also, as a trans person of faith, other transgender people often find a way to get offended by the fact that I am religious (even though proselytizing is a big no-no in my religion), and they will occasionally give me shit for it.
Sativa Queen 420 I'd be interested in hearing how other members of your religion have treated you if you feel like sharing, and also am curious what religion that is.
Your a man not a women
Marky Mark dude posting spiteful comments for the sole purpose of being spiteful serves no literally no purpose but to cause other people pain, fuckin pathetic and lame, go find a better use of your time than spreading hate on CZcams because you have nothing better to do
@@markymark6412 She did say “I’m a transgender woman.” She didn’t claim to be a “woman.” Those are two different categories of people. Let her be who she is meant to be, and try to find some compassion within yourself when dealing with others.
Jesus Christ what a nightmare
I'm a journalist and I come back to this video often because the reporter in it does an awesome job. He holds both sides accountable and asks thought provoking questions to both.
Too bad the comments suck though.
“18-21 year olds now are more diverse than they’ve ever been” - Aha they’ve always been diverse you just haven’t let them into your college before
The funny thing is though that diversity in gender and race had been followed by extreme lack of diversity in opinions...
we as a society are _really_ pushing the bubble of childhood out _way_ too far, now. by the time people are college age, they really shouldn't be getting sheltered like this anymore. we're doing young people a disservice by keeping them so infantile for so long into adulthood.
It is a great disservice and will cause them a lot more pain and regret in life.
They grew up with the internet, they're not sheltered.
They're not paying for rude boys tho
@@celinak5062 theyre still sheltered though not entirely
Kids today have more access to information than ever before and you assume that it is just "They don't know what's good for them"? We don't have many dirty limericks or aristocrat jokes today either it must be because the boomers were too infantile. I have followed comedy my entire life and I think this comes down to comedians aging out of a group. If you are in your pushing 50+ and established there is a good chance you have no fucking clue what it's like to be an 18-22 yo college kid.
@@Go4Noctis it's not a generation gap issue, the world has always been a mean place to live in and it will walk all over you if you let it. The access to information doesnt make this(my) generation smarter, and learning to cope with reality isn't an obsolete concept.
So it's basically like booking comedians for a kindergarten class. Gotcha.
some people like unleashed raw comedy, some people like family friendly comedy. times change kid.
@B VV i never said any of the comedians in this segment was this or that?
@@gotacallfromvishal it’s a college campus. That where girls go for their first gangbang. It’s not a family friendly place. I’m sure they’re all pro choice and that’s not very family friendly either.
@@jamestrotter927 yup but comedy nights are put on by students unions and students unions are run by nerds that are all about inclusion and safe space and pamplets with smilng multi-racial families
Limiting what you can say is not comedy. What you can say and not say is not comedy. Sensitive little fucks are ruining comedy I miss dead baby jokes 😂 “diverse”
The booker in the middle will make a great dictator some day.
Who, Kim-John-yuck. Ha
What about the one on the left, she doesn't even part her teeth to talk, such is the contempt.
He look SCREAMS authoritarian dictator. She looks to North Korea for inspiration.
Lol
The Vice journalist was really smart and cool in this episode.
Nice burner account
what happenned to college kids wanting controversial things
College kids want it; liberal art's school baby's don't.
The Christian Right won. They started it and now the kids are like them.
You're an idiot - the "Christian Right" isn't weaponizing their sensitivity, they never stopped Howard Stern become a superstar. Today, a "Christian Right" person would need a police escort to visit a college campus.
@@Kidsinamerica Well Bill Donahue from the Catholic League did a pretty good job of firing Opie & Anthony in the early 2000's when they had more listeners than Stern. The evangelicals did a damn good job at preventing same sex marriage in the mid 2000's as well as one of it's fringe groups shouting "god hates fags" at soldiers funerals. The Christians also did a damn good job eliminating evolution from southern and Midwestern PUBLIC SCHOOL curriculum's. I could go on, but needless to say, the left is exploiting the same bullshit the Christians have since the 70's. There is no difference between "god hates fags" and "jokes arent funny".
@Bruce Wayne I understand what you are saying, but despite the rise of radical left college kids Trump is president, abortion is nearly impossible in large swaths of the country and even after the the secular victory in Dover, PA evolution is taboo in many school systems and politicians are scared to death of confronting climate change. Long story short, children in college do not run the system, they can have huge impacts on the entertainment industry and advertising agencies since they are the group with the disposable income that attracts those entities. Yet beyond protesting and tweeting, they tend not to vote or care about a single topic longer than it trends. Plus the best thing about college students is that they get older, a lot of millennial's (me included) are in their mid 30's with some approaching 40. It's easy to be a self righteous radical when you are a young liberal arts student, but eventually they will grow up and either move towards the center and become gainfully employed or a creepy old person who is always broke and no one takes seriously. However, the right has remained cohesive and just crazy enough to get what they want done but not crazy enough to show their true colors. That's why they are so dangerous.
You must be joking. Make a "offensive" joke these days and risk getting sued. Even Jerry Seinfeld who's probably the most vanilla mainstream comedian out there doesn't want to perform on campuses anymore.
Yatesy pretty sure he could easily do a set there while abiding by their ridiculous rules, but they don't pay well...
bongo155 It used to be a good guage to test out new material now he admits these millennials can't take jokes
bongo155 lol love how you needlessly make it about race. Did you you learn that at one of these campuses? Just pull the race card whenever you want to try and shut down any viewpoint you don't agree with.
Chris Rock also refuses to play at colleges, still about race?
That interview with the bookers was a prefect example of intolerance of other views. He's doing his job, passing devil's advocate and asking questions but they are talking over him as he tries to ask questions. Like how dare he even question their policies?!
bongo155 nah they're just a bunch of pussies
I can't tell whether or not your comments are meta-level performance art. If so, bravo.
"When someone says to a comic, 'hear is the line you do not cross', not only should you cross it you should gleefully bolt for it". Mark Thomas said that when he was banned from a club for princess Diana jokes.
That rule applies in regards to punching up. Not punching down.
*here
LOL the job for those 3 is essentially to filter the outside world for anything potentially triggering. These students are reaching sensitivity levels I didn't even think were possible.
Just to clarify . What she means by diversity is diversity of race and not diversity in opinion right?
She means diversity in gender identity because no race has been invented since she started working at Lesley University
she means i am gonna scapegoat the journalist as close minded while refusing to answer any questions and say diversity as a crutch
It's hard to say - most of that college audience resemble siblings or cousins who apparently shop at the same store.
@K. A yes but half of them identifies as black
I honestly dont think she knows what she means, just putting words together that sound clever.
How do these people plan to be equipped for life outside of campus if they can't even take a joke about anything?! The faculty is actually doing the students a disservice by shielding them from everything remotely controversial. What happens when they graduate? They going to want trigger warning from every person they encounter? It's like dumping babies out of the cradle and into the street. I don't remember my college experience being like this, but that was almost a decade ago. Maybe things have changed.
what happens? welp lets find out
The dude from Emerson explains it perfectly that all they care about is money.
What will happen is these cry babies will run to human resources, claim they are being harassed, file a lawsuit, brand you as a racist, rapist, misogynist, or homophobe, and you will be fired or forced to resign. Don't believe me? ask Bret Weinstein.
That's why we have all these laws in Canada where you get fined for not being a polite little surf.
Adam Kiser they don’t plan on it. They plan on fighting everything along the way until they get what they want. Despite what you may think, they are transforming life outside of campus, particular work/corporate life.
"More Diverse"
Yep
with blue colored hairs, trendy glasses,
pierced bratty white students.
So Diversed.
😂
They look like sisters or cousins who apparently shop at the same boutique.
"they are conduits for our voice" how about you take a poll of the student body instead of superficially mandating that you speak for everyone.
signed:
-A college Student
ty
"18 to 21 year olds now are more diverse than they have ever been."
*looks at the crowd of people*
Ma'am, the opposite of what you just said is true.
Diverse with different colors of hair
blue green pink
But they are diverse in terms of identity. People aren’t just going to sit still and take other people’s crap anymore like they used to.
@@RocStarr913 Outrage has been democratized, it's a shitty construct built by the media to create conflict to sell advertisements.
I.E "The War on Christmas"
If you can't laugh at the quirks and funny-cuz-true things that are delivered as JOKES by a COMEDIAN whose job it is to push around a society's comfort zone. I'm French-American and I get roasted all the time and its funny! It CAN be unfunny but thats from drunk jackasses across a bar.
Unless you're "tribe" has been subject to centuries of brutal oppression, slavery, others have tried to ethnically cleanse you etc. The people whining are NOT those people! The N word carries massive historical baggage, joking about Italians or Mexicans are always from a kernal of truth: the comedian is always on your side but the delivery is too 'harsh' so people loose their minds and say their offended.
You're right, everyone has access to a platform where they can complain now. Even a great joke will offend 1 person, and then EVERYONE has to play along and make a safe space etc. to accommodate them. Clearly, comedians are taking massive heat for the smallest culture war BS whilst we should all be focused on wages/labor conditions and climate change.
Go to any other culture, it's an American thing..
@@RocStarr913 I understand why they would want safe spaces, but it doesn’t mean that they’re right. It just gives a reason for censorship,
Whether they’re offended gives them no right to censor artists doing what they do.
Why is this so disliked, vice actually took a neutral stance on this. Actually if you look at other videos on PC culture, like evergreen and princeton, Vice was actually rather critical of the students
Greg Chung Rather when in all honesty they keep tip toeing around issues all the time when it comes to pointing out stuff on the left. Not afraid to call people Nazis in a jiffy though.
dislike is for the views of the subjects interviewed not necessarily the way the subject was covered
Honestly those bookers were so annoying that my finger twitched and smashed the dislike button
Cuz they value well meaning and thoughtful arguments, not just "we do it cuz white people already have too much priveleges". Vice knows what their values are, and I respect that.
I dont think people are disliking because of vice, just the douches in the video representing the bookers for comedy at colleges. Vice is great.
We speak for the thin skinned and radical students who complain and take offense about everything. That's a great recipe for comedy.🙄
No comment on the content, but the cut at 6:38 is brilliant. Nice work, editor.
Yep, could be twins right.
"If you can't adapt, get out!". Very diverse and tolerant.
I know, right? One could literally say the exact same thing to her (or, them) regarding their mindset. Even when she's smugly dismissing the notion that processing trauma through comedy, can be an ideal situation? I'm Irish--I'd hate for her to be at any of the funerals/wakes I've attended.
It's kind of a dual sided thing. The university is saying if you can't agree with what we want, get out of our circuit. The comedians are saying, if you don't agree or feel uncomfortable with what we say, walk out. One is prevention and the other is intervention. The biggest problem that I see is that we have gate keepers for the University circuit rather than simply posting the subjects that will be talked about, and let the seats speak for themselves.
It does sound like something a racist/sexist/transphobic/homophobic/etc twat would say.
Lu Austin I've adapted to avoiding "liberal" college kids. You are correct though. When Trump wins his second term just remember that society did adapt to these idiots and opted for a strong voice opposite of theirs. My how the economy will grow!
I'm a left-leaning liberal arts student, and I think this is ridiculous. The world is not always safe or kind or correct...get used to it. And how are we supposed to think critically and develop well-rounded perspectives without diversity of THOUGHT?
I think they're working on banning critical thought.
No one wants to be challenged but “accepted”no matter how forceful.
Of course you think it’s ridiculous. Most liberals are not SJWS newsflash
We're simplifying for the most triggered demonination.
Sverion Ruzz Jesus Christ dude. Some ppl generally have other interest then computer tech or engineering. U guys are big mad we can get a job as a Human Resources manager or PR director make and make a triple digit salary without taking super hard college classes. Yes believe it or not, there are triple digit salary jobs doing things other than engineering or law. Perhaps u should stop generalizing degrees, yes ppl some ppl with a liberal arts degree *choose* to work lower paying jobs like history teacher etc, whatever their passion is but most of us are genuinely just not caught up in the you have to work in engineering or tech hype. Do what makes you happy and pays the bills if you can do that, then u can stfu and stop hating on other ppl choosing to do what they want
Tailored fit, far left leaning, comedy that bans even dad jokes, I fail to see the diversity.
"If you cannot adapt, get out". This just might be the scariest thing I've ever heard.
2:57
"My number one priority of my job, is also to reduce student harm as much as humanly possible"
"You think people are harmed by jokes?"
"I think they can be"
These 3 Stooges are the gatekeepers for comedy? -- Now that's funny.
Don't insult the stooges. The stooges were funny.
Yeah, those three comedy bookers look like a real laugh riot
The girl with the curly hair has her period 24/7
I definitely think Judy Gold said it best. "Don't hire me if you don't want to hear what I have to say." The action item from there on is simple. Just say, "Ok."
I wish Monty Python was on their stage telling them the deadliest joke in the world.
Jesus Christ...colleges have turned into playschools
Your reference to J.C. has resulted in 15 students requiring a safe space.
Yep adult daycare
@@americancitizen748 Don't worry - those are only Christian students. Nobody cares about offending those.
very few and they get attention, the one I go to has no trace of this insanity
X12 this isn’t anything new. higher education has become more and more PC as decades go by.
i initially read this as "why college campuses can be minefields for some _CANADIANS_ " so half way through the video i'm like, "where does the 'canadian' part come into play?" and then i reread the video headline and suddenly it all made sense: i'm an idiot that can't read.
um women
Hahah I do that kind of thing all the time it really makes the second watch a different video
lmfaooooo
I feel so triggered. Oh wait, that's frostbite.
Damn, now I want to see that...
I just love how they have such a distinguishable look.
"you can be funny but dont make jokes about us"
"Liberal arts"
Lmao
stratus10601 Not to be confused with "conservative arts" right?
matcotech yup lol
"Liberal" in this context refers to the wide array of humanities subjects that can be studied under the umbrella. Please don't devalue someone's degree without understanding it first.
It's a joke...
chaz32 should we get you a stand up comedian like in this video? Lmao
Lady: The diverse voices are telling me one thing
Interviewer: that makes no sense. Then the voices aren't diverse
Lady: well they're different colors... That's what I meant
I didn't see different colors in the audience...they were all pretty much fat, short haired white girls with trendy glasses and/or piercings. That is what I cal diversity.
Sums this whole farce up really.
Mental gymnastics are fun for all.
@@themightyflog perfect 👌
The voices can be diverse and the message be unified....I mean, if you took a world wide poll, I think most everyone would say they don't like tornados, for example
7:12 "when Ive done standup I used to talk about my mom........."
*_COMEDY_*
Couldn't help seeing the irony there. This muppet is now determining what people may find offensive, yet focused his 'stand up' on his mother. As if there aren't people out there that had horrendous experiences at the hands of their mother and wouldn't feel "triggered" by his 'mom jokes'???
As per usual, these idiots pick and choose what suits their narrative...
Comedy enthusiast college student here. Can tell you for a fact that put in the hands of administration, university comedy clubs become liberal propaganda. In the hands of students, comedy clubs can become engaging and diverse. Someone commented this isn’t what the students want, it’s what the loudest student wants and it’s so true!
Don't mind her, Amy Schumer's just there to steal some jokes from Judy.
And Judy stole the LGBTQ+ joke from someone else. I've heard that joke a 1000 times.
That is a fucking lie, Amy Schumer doesn't write jokes.
Larry David badum tsss
stratus1060 thank you, I'll be here all day.
agh agh fatwa ! fatwa!
20 years from now, "Remember jokes? Ah those were the good ol days."
remember [user arrested for refering to potential microaggression]
That is soooooo offensive.. so like.. take that down.
I agree with both sides’ underlying points. The school is saying we only want to book performers who coincide with what our culture is and the comedian is saying don’t book me if you don’t have to hear everything I have to say.
Take a libertarian mindset, let the school do what they want and let the comedian do their set anywhere that books them.
It’s not that hard.
That's fine, but what these people are actively promoting is a distortion of reality, whereby anything you disagree with should be censored.
Kind of ironic that one of the 'programmers' spoke about his stand-up referring to his mother a lot. Like there's no one out there that has had awful experiences at the hands of their mother, and would be 'triggered'???
Just a bunch of self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrites. The power has obviously gone to their heads!
I Laser not true at all, private venue that isn’t forcing material down anyone’s throat against their will. Consumers are aware of the agenda when they purchase tickets at the venue.
I disagree with everything they stand for, but bottom line is this is a great example of free market and consumerism. If this same agenda was being propagated in classrooms, local elections, and freedom of speech within the school it would be a different story.
@@mikemyguyyy8319I never said they are forcing material down peoples throats, quite the opposite actually!
I pointed out that a vocal minority are enforcing their views of what is deemed acceptable on the majority. Do you truly believe the views of this small panel truly represents the entire school cohort?
This censorship is becoming routine on college campuses across the US, whereby any opinion that differs from your own should be stifled via any means possible. Loud protests, physical violence, etc.
I also pointed out one of those that is responsible for deciding what is considered acceptable most likely crossed the line himself... But it seems it's fine to offend, as long as you're not offending the minority of course...
I Laser my comment was in response to you saying they are enforcing their views on people, the people who go to their shows purchased tickets on their own will.
I agree with you, though. These same people would be the ones to go to other local comedy clubs and protest comedians they don’t like or agree with. That’s just not what the segment was about.
I Laser and in your response to if these select individuals represent the mindset of the entire school...probably not. But I would say they represent the loud minority of societal conforming, pseudo intellectuals. Unfortunately, many liberal arts schools do the same thing to save face because the people who truly don’t give a shit and want a good laugh won’t be the ones protesting and raising cain. They’ll just go to the local comedy bar for a good laugh
I’ve yet to find someone who uses the phrase “cis het dudes” unironically who doesn’t need a punch in the face.
Ladies and gentleman, I HAVE FOUND THEM,
The least funny people on planet earth.
I did see amy schumer...that makes 4
The least funny people are the Germans hahahaha I love south park
"Them" refers to non binary people, and the "ladies and gentlemen" can single them out, so SJW can be offended by that.
Look at the murder of nerds jn that audience
Judy Gold was not that bad. Come on..
The biggest joke I saw in this video was calling Amy Schumer a comedian
Lol this is too underrated
😃😀😅
that was a good joke
😂🤣😂🤣 Hahaha you hit the nail on the head!!!!
She is just there stealing jokes.
These people are the human equivalents of an indoor cat.
The whole attitude of control is kind of disturbing. " If you want our money then you'll say what we want", withholding payment, turning off the microphone. That ideology is scary.
everything about these three offends me deeply...
i wonder what you are - can i guess lol
no you
Where in the safe space did they touch you?
I see a bunch of people that are going to be useless in the real world.
Except as rule enforcing bureaucrats.
They're useless now
they went to a liberal arts college, so...
going to be?
@@ManInTheBigHat excellent point. That’s exactly what they’re being trained for.
Wow those 3 people were hilarious. Thank God they are in charge of humor on their campuses. The future is saved.
being uncomfortable is actually a good thing, it helps you grow as a person, you become tougher and more self-reliant, these kids are doomed because they just downright refuse to adapt, perpetual childhood
Just out of curiosity, but would you encourage bullying because it “toughens” and it’s “uncomfortable”?
I’m genuinely curious.
@@jamesdragonforce No.
“If you can’t adapt, get out.” Practice what you preach.
Wasn't that basically what the nazis said back then in germany? Except for get out, it was get killed..
maxia that was "to each his own"
"an extension of the entire campus climate that we're trying to create"
That's some sinister stuff right there.
So it's your job to create a single climate for the entire campus? I'm gonna take a while guess and say that you happen to be supportive of whatever views this "climate" tolerates, as well.
She also thinks people can be 'harmed by jokes'
I wonder how many anti-trump, or anti-christian, or anti-"anything right of Bernie" jokes she "protects" students from.
I'm glad someone else caught that.
There's a lot of people in these comments who are bitter about never qualifying for college
Most colleges don't require qualifications any more. The SAT and GPA's were deemed racist. No, that wasn't a joke.
Don't be fooled. This kind of "climate" isn't a climate they want to keep at college campuses. They want to extend it to the entirety of the country, and they are trying their hardest.
+Hooga cry more
Bro...wtf! If George Carlin and Richard Pryor were still alive today, universities would be the butt of all jokes 😂🤣
Instead of telling comedians to make jokes that are not offensive, we should start teaching college students to stop getting offended by everything.
This happned to me on my campus when I was doing Stand up and I was told I couldn't make a joke about Mike pence. Even though I was making fun of him, I was told it was hurtful and insensitive to bring it up. Comedy is not an attack, comedy helps us explore those hard to talk about issues, laughter is a good medicine for trauma.
Man I'd hate to not be able to talk about Mike "Like it in the crapper, you get the zapper" Pence
What was the joke
jon devieon it was a joke about him being president of trump is ever impeached. It was a pun.
CcReap3r that was the problem. I said how pence thinks you can shock people straight, and even though I was making fun of him I was told it was too offensive
bongo155 but feelings shouldn't matter more than speaking truth to power. If we can't use our words and our art to commentate on the times or critique our leaders than what's the point of free speech? I'm not saying don't listen to marginalized voices when they point out real harm, just saying that it can't be this cut and dry. There needs to be nuance when we talk about painful subjects in comedy.
Not sure if the 20 year old librarian knows what the word "Diversity" means....
B she meant to say sheltered. Boston lacks diversity. Look back at that crowd. Everybody look the fuckin same
Why is that a bad thing Baskins? Are you racist?
yeah I'm a racist; TAY K taught me everything I know about race. I specialize in running from the initial argument
What she means by diverse group of people are a bunch of white female homosexuals.
Diversity does apply to race and to sexual identity.
"diverse voices said all the same thing" OHHHH the vice journalist did a great job. Nothing but fact.
They may be diverse in one sense, in terms of identity, but not in terms of their thinking.
"I would never book a comic who made SA jokes."
What about survivors who are comics and who use humor to cope...
The guy owned them on the "diverse" claim. Can't be diverse if there's only 1 voice allowed.
promontorium They failed to reply and he was totally correct.
A school's job is to prepare you for life, not shield you from it. Overcoming our "fears" is the only way we truly survive.
Patrick Gilroy maybe in a war, get outta here with that bumper sticker crap haha
soberpunk that’s not what I’m responding to
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College won't prepare you for war.. well maybe OCS will.
Coddling should stop wayyyy before college. I know 10 year olds that act more adult than most of these students and faculty. Patrick Gilroy's "bumper sticker crap" is very true. If we keep shielding these kids from reality until they have no choice but to face it, They will be ill prepared for it , and unable to cope. I think it has already been proven evident in today's society.
Amen to that
1984 called, they really want their thought police back
Not comparable. 1984 had it implemented by the government. This is people in college willingly doing this because they are likely insecure and want to get along with their peers.
I find the interview with the 3 people at the beginning deeply upsetting.
That’s the saddest shit ever
Michael West I am in the UK, I am guessing its like this now in university's over here.
Exactly. It’s just like taking the fun out of all of it.
Those students are still just older children.
These college Booker's look exactly like I imagined they would
Jeez, I'm glad I studied in Europe
7:36
Well some day she will finish school and have to face the real world... If your school is shielding you from reality instead of preparing you for it then it's a bad school.
This is not a good way to look at it because it ignores the fact that these kids are bringing this culture to the “real world.” I work in the legal field and many corporations will not hire a law firm unless they have a certain level of diversity, racial and/or gender. Thats just one minor example. You have to fight back with ideas and can’t just dismiss it as though these people will somehow wake up when they get into the “real world.”
Watching the video I suddenly understand the resentment against American 'SJW' and lefty liberals. They're just another version of a religious moral police force like they have in Iran
or the religious moral police force like we have here in america.
Since two forces are equal in our respective countries, you’d go to Iran if someone paid for the expenses plus five extra dollars, then, right?
bongo155 Why is that even a question?
Of course not-that’s not how people who pretend to be the paragons of free expression but are actually self-serving, hypocritical, virtue-signaling grifters, operate.
hmmm...after reading this: annaeverywhere.com/travel-to-iran/ i might have to take you up on your offer! but i'd have to have enough spending money to buy a rug....oh how i want a persian rug! such craftsman ship!
Having dealt with them online and seen some of their philosophical ideas bandied about, I can say that they can sometimes end up being just as toxic, racist, and sexist as the bigots they purport to oppose. In my experience, casual -isms usually occur out of pure ignorance. If you approach a person who said the thing with empathy as another human being, then explain why the thing they said was wrong, the vast majority of empathetic humans would learn something new and change their behavior. Unfortunately, the SJW often starts with an insult, tells the other person to shut up because they're not a member of [protected non-privileged group] and therefore don't understand--but no, I don't have to explain it to you. Basically, they shut down conversations that need to happen for any progress to be made, are just as locked up in identity as the bigots, and do little of the work that needs to be done to advance their causes.
This does not, of course, excuse the racists, sexists, and bigots. I just think that we need to be able to have these conversations with each other, stop retreating to our bubbles and reach out to one another as humans. This "other"ing is dangerous for our society because while we agree on at least 70% of our values, we're letting that 30% divide us so much that our government has ceased to function as it should. It used to be we could actually find our common ground and work from there. Now it's all talking past each other to see who can score the most political points. When societies cease seeing their neighbors as neighbors and start seeing them as enemies... that's when civil unrest and genocide happens.
When even Obama and Vice are saying "its gone too far" you know its a problem.
I feel sorry for the students, once their out in the real world they won’t have these teachers to shelter them from this cruel world. Their was so much the teachers were saying that made me want to scream, the quote that stood out the most was, "adapt or get out" she was talking about the comics, but the same could be said of her students.
I agree with the sentiment on the comments, but let's be fair and not dislike this video. VICE is simply exposing these snowflakes, not supporting them.
They are often supporting them and hardly calls them out.
Agree with all above. Vice is typically bullshit but in this they are not, just exposing others. It’s important to understand there are rifts in media companies, some content is good and sometimes bad, even on similar subjects. You could even find this for companies like Nat Geo.
First time I agreed with you
No they are supporting them hence the downvotes more are coming
Agreed, though I wouldn't say "radical left". That implies strict adherence to Marxist-Leninism or other forms of Communism. You're talking about Progressives who get easily triggered over humor. They're left-wing, not far-left. Not all snowflakes are proletarians. You should distinguish between the two.
I’m a college student in Boston and I would like to say not all of us get triggered by jokes. Some of us actually respect and love comedy and would never try to dictate what a comedian does on stage.
Great job with the video, you pushed on both sides and it made for a really good video on this topic.
bookers of comedy at college: soft spoken bald bearded man, lady with buzzed hair and thick rimmed glasses, girl with purple hair
COMEDY GENIUS
Who's gonna protect these students from harmful jokes once they leave campus?
Nobody
I'm assuming Jessica Valenti will develop superpowers.
Good questions but that's not the school's problem. They are managing the campus environment that they are responsible for with complete disregard of how it will affect them AFTER their education.
They end up voting and legislating trigger warnings.
Whiteknight here and the futures dna pool. Dont you guys feel obsolete yet?
Saw this was a VICE video and immediately assumed they'd be advocating for the snowflakes as I've seen them do in the past but I'm glad to see that wasn't the case here lol.
Had to leave a like. Sucks that a bunch of college students came and smashed that dislike button for them Lmao.
wowalinbie Thats how things should be reported. Neutrally.
wowalinbie - you are part of the problem with modern journalism.
wowalinbie [Insert actual evidence here]
Honestly, most of the reporters at Vice probably agree with the snowflakes, not to even mention the CEO. One neutral video doesn't make me trust them.
Same here. I wonder how this news piece actually got made by VICE. VICE and vox are usually all about snowflake news.
i think having a safe space is fine because there are "safe space comeians". As long as the safe spaces book EXCLUSIVELY safe space comedians, i dont think there is a problem here. It becomes an issue when they try to make ALL comedians "safe space comedians"
The way this interviewer grills them is straight up savage u can feel the intensity
it makes it more entertaining
I liked that Michael pushed the female booker with the glasses on the right a bit hard. Vice keep this guy, his segments are always good.
Haya Glamazon Agreed.
Thanks for your comment. I just think that Michael knows how to call people out on their BS. Like when he said diverse but everyone has the same experience. I think jokes are fine, even if it is a sexual assault joke. It's not a big deal.
Absolutely. She had these thoughts in her head or blog I guess, but when pushed by the reporter she just folded. I don't think she has enough faith in her argument if her response is to just get pissy or shut down. Look at her eyes, she's stabbing at the reporter for even questioning her. That's the product of sheltered teaching sheltered.
6:54 to 7:08
the girl with the purple hair saying comedy is in no way supposed to challenge you and cant trigger you in any way at all. this is depressing. im in gen Z and it is honestly embarrassing how no one my age can take a joke. even in normal groups. you have to make sure whatever you are doing wont offend anyone. that makes no sense
Good Art is often offensive art. Comedy is an Art, and often times offensive comedy can be the best comedy.
I feel like the three bookers might be energy vampires
Oh dear God...... Get a sense of humour
Nollaig these people have their own rules. Wouldn't want to say anything at all that will offend someone. Dear lord !
I'm so triggered because I don't have one get ready to be sued
Yeah like as she said "if you cant adapt then get out", very welcoming of diverse ideas aren't they.
You’re tearing me apart Lisa!
Oh Amy is there to steal some jokes again.
On the bright side at least somebody will get HPV out of it.
Amy Jewmer. She said so herself.
Shhh!! U will ruin her hustle 🤣🤣🤣
Comedy is more or less dead on college campuses , everything is interpreted through the least charitable lens possible and taken literally. And bringing it back from the dead is absolutely impossible without undoing all kinds of gains for the better.
Un-Ironically calls themselves Programmers... legitimizes NPC memes.
Lmao ikr
Wether it's SJW's or evangelic Christians, in America they all take it waaay too far
bongo155 WOOSH
Bear Arms given that shit like marriage still has a huge influence on both taxes, rights to your own children etc I'd say christianity still has a huge influence on modern day society...
bongo155 you don't have to point out the baddies on the right when the topic at hand are the baddies on the left lol. And to be honest how many kids in college do you gotta worry about being evangelicals? Rhymes with hero
bongo155 what's wrong with owning a gun?
bongo155 you sure have a lot contempt for conservatives if you call them right wing shits. Btw the whole kneeling thing isn't comparable. The dudes are on the clock, you can't use your job for a political soapbox. It's self-absorbent. Why not raise money, or protest any other way? It ain't like the James Damore memo either Google literally asked him specifically for his opinion on how-to include women in the work place.
"Free speech isnt designed to protect us, its designed to keep us free"
more or less the quote
It applies to the government. It doesn’t apply to businesses. Businesses are first and foremost about making money and not alienating a single customer.
Michael Moynihan is the best thing to happen to Vice in the last decade.
What the hell are these kids going to do when they get out in the real world? The three bookers just like the power of telling comedians what they can and can't do. If everyone would stand up to them and not perform at these venues then they wouldn't be bookers for very long.