I own an M1000R, so thought I would address one or two issues raised in this review... 1: There was a lot of talk of how loud the bike is when idling. This was news to me. I live in a quiet village, own multiple bikes and not once did I think the BMW was loud. The thought did not even cross my mind. Any bike with a slipon exhaust would be louder. 2: Bad vibrations. I own a Hayabusa and an H2 as well, and of the 3 bikes, the H2 is the smoothest as it has two counterbalancers. The Busa and the M1000R are similar in that both are smooth with slight vibes around 4000 rpm and then once you rev past that point all these inline fours are just as smooth. If you're doing 75 or 80mph in the top gear on the M1000R the engine is quite smooth. I've owned parallel twins, boxer twins and those bikes can get properly vibey. 3: I think there was a mention that you can't have brake lever guards because of bar end mirrors. This is nonsense. Just see Evotech for clutch and lever guards that work with the mirrors. 4: Mirrors - There was a comment that bar end mirrors are not "right" for this bike, and belong to a retro bike or something. Same people at MCN would fall over themselves if they were reviewing a Triumph Street Triple RS and fanboy at the bar end mirrors on that bike. So a bit disingenuous I think. Final point to anyone considering this bike is to test ride it. I did 3 test rides before buying one as I was having an absolute blast each time. The M1000R is a fun bike and a total animal. Emphasis on fun! You can commute, tour and take it to the track. BMW dealers I have found (at least the one I went to) are quite chilled out and let you take the bike for a long ride and not some 30 minute excuse of a test ride, so give it a go if you're in the market.
i was a bit frustrated by the sound under the exhaust valve opening..(more or less 4500 rpm) So i just put the small motor (and the two cables that go to the valve) away and put an small electronic device to avoid an error, and now the sound is as it should have been from scratch. More grunt, louder but not in a bad way. When you ride it even at low revs it's a charm you fall for every time...
"You don't need wings on the road" yeah you don't need 200hp, massive tires, 4 cylinders, fancy brakes, nice style or any other list of things. If you want only what you need buy a 300cc scooter or a hatchback. It's for the fun of it, the thrill, the sound, the look. That's why! How do bikers not understand this 🤔
Stop using titles like “…too much for the road.” The politicians we hate that pass the road laws won’t care enough to read the article and will use the headline as a reason to strangle motorcycling even more, in the name of safety! Car magazines put stuff like that in the article rather than title, reducing the chance that it reaches the wrong eyes. Please pass this along to other journalists and influencers, etc. etc.
The M1000r is actually pretty gutless, it can get dangerous when it's so slow that you are unable to get it up to 70mph on motorway sliproads... more power would make it much safer. 😊
Well said Robert . We love MCN but use your head guys we do not want bikes that bore us comments like this will strangle us in the uk with the bed wetting safety muppets.
I REALLY like the way these guys review! So practical and the things most of us want to know. You don’t have to agree with their opinions but they are really looking for the right things! Good work folks!
I’ve done 50k kms on a 2015 s1000rr and your review summarises so much of my bike too. Great intelligent review. LJK Setright said many years ago that a BMW feels like it is carved out of one piece of timber and that is one of the best things about the bike.
All the cons r nothing the bike is doing wrong or underperforming on. There is nothing sensible or practical about this bike for road use. It is made for a very specific reason and only that. Its kind of annoying you guys buy an apple and complain that its not like an orange. Its an advanced practically racing liter bike without fairings lol...
I bought the competition version in summer 2023 after listening to everyone saying how they hate keyless I was apprehensive, but I love it I replaced the fuel cap with a quarter turn billet cap that sorts out the problem of digging in your pockets for the key. I put the key in a zip pocket in my jacket and that’s it until I park the bike back in the garage.
I’ve had a 2014 S1000R for the last five years. I found your review very relatable. Effortless on the road, sometimes a little too much so, but open it up on a track and it feels so special. I can’t imagine it not being in my collection now.
Any mods / upgrades made ? My 2014 is well out of warranty but bone stock with 30 k . I had a close call with a fast camaro on the freeway last week and I'm now feeling like I need more power lol
@resetyoutub.... it was zl1 camaro, It's no joke and I said it was closer than I liked. Thanks for answering the question or providing any useful info ...a$$
This review confirms that my S1000RR was the right choice. I don't have a problem with the more focussed riding position and I prefer both the looks and the wind protection. And I got a 2022 model without wings.
I feel the same guilt riding mine sometimes and it’s the 160hp version. Was behind a kid on a 250 the other day and he lost me in the twisties. Thought about selling all week after
wheelbase bro... a short wheelbase and skinny 17" wheels will run circles around a liter bike in slow/medium speed twisties... Moto3 cornering speeds esp at entry is 20-40 kph higher than motogp bikes because of that, and that is WITHOUT aero
This video does a disservice to the entire community. I have a s1000rr that spends most it's road time sport touring at speed limits. I enjoy the power on tap when needed and have no problem not being a child 😮
This doesn't have a built-in satnav, it has TFT integration with the nav functions of the BMW Connected Ride phone app, like BMW's other bikes with a TFT.
Saying this bike is too much isn't contentious - it's pure fact if looked at objectively. I own a couple of Triumphs, the newest being a 2023 Speed Triple RS. Anything over 110/120hp is far (far) more than you need for the road. Anything pushing 150+ is really just a track bike that is road legal. Most riders (if they're honest with themselves) also don't have the skills to truly get out of a super naked all that it can truly do - I know I don't, I just wanted a challenge! Now this all doesn't mean you can't love bikes like this, and I certainly love mine and commute to work on it (not far) all year in virtually all weather (outside of the very rare snow or ice), but anyone who thinks they 'need' something like this for the street is fooling themselves or dead-set upon hooliganism on the roads. No judgment intended since I ride one of these litre bikes myself, but I did buy it so that I could finally have a proper track bike as I'd out-grown what I was able to do with my mid-size sports bike that I used to use - being able to ride my Speed Triple to work in relative comfort (since it's a naked) is just a bonus.
Good review although i disagreed with some of the negatives, especially the vibrations witch i have no issues ,at 77 i have had owned and still do a lot of naked bikes incl five BMW 1000 ,s which i kept upgrading .I now have a Black Carbon m1000r with out doubt it ranks as joint top of my favourite bikes alongside my Ducati Street fighter sp2 closely followed by my 765 Triumph Street Triple ,if you never ridden one get a test ride even the good value standard version but be prepared to empty the Bank.
Mate I have a K6GSXR 1000 it's 16 year old during the summer i had it out , first three gears seen the shift light,, I'm 57,so it can happen to anyone,, control is the riders choice,, don't need a 200 BHP for a pant filling day out ,, and a ban ,,☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland ,that I thought was the best bike out last year,,it does everything awesome 👍
For you all with average speed cameras and just so many cameras in general I don't think I'd have more than 100-150hp in a bike. Luckily in the U.S. we have a lot of space and at least fewer cameras (no average speed ones that I'm aware of). Thought about ordering a M 1000R but ended up with a ZH2 SE as it ended up being $4k+ cheaper.
Luckily you have less cameras and restrictions Also here in the UK we also have undercover police which is worse than the camera as cameras you know where they are
A few videos ago you said your performance tested the m1000r against the s1000r. I’ve not seen it in the paper or on video but I think a lot of people would be really interested in those results 🙂
I still have my 2011 K 1300 S and I love that bike. This was a really fabulous review of a bike. I think I’m gonna test ride, but I’m not gonna purchase it because I’m used to a fairing out in front of me, something to tuck in behind, and has mounts for saddlebags. The buzz in the handlebars on the hands and the mirrors is the same I believe for all inline fours. Both Honda CBR’s I had 1000f, and Blackbird had the same vibrations. Great review fellas! Thx.
The Suzuki GSXS1000's engine is extremely smooth, and comes stock with saddlebags and cruise control. However, I would consider it to be more of a "fat" 600cc bike. I had the F version, and it was a shockingly small motorcycle.
WOO HOO!!! Indian FTR 1200!!! Honestly, I absolutely love mine maybe more than sex itself but I'm also very interested in picking up a M1000R(R) The only thing you get from the BMW over the Indian is the top end speed. If you have an itch to go waaaaaay past 150, you need a superbike. Everything under that huge top speed rush, I can't find anything better than my Indian.
Name a bike that isn’t “Too much for the road”. You cannot use any >600cc bike anywhere near its full potential on the road. So it’s a good thing that the throttle isn’t just an on/off switch.
I've a small engine car as well that I cant use to it's full potential I hate that argument. Unless it's a 50cc moped you are not using any engine to it's full potential. It's not formula 1 of noto gp ffs no one needs to extract maximum performance all the time out of the engine. Sorry for the rant! I'm not directing it at you I agree with you!
@@eddmelter1012completely agree. My wife drives a Kia picanto and the thing can go 160kmph … the speed limit on motorway is 120kmph. Can’t get a smaller engine in a car… I better tell her to get a 125 cc scooter…. Oh balls wait.. they’ll go 130kmph… still too fast. I wish my wife had self control 🤔
Is this an HP4 in naked guise? You could say all the positives about that 10 yr old bike down to the stock Akrapovic exhaust.. The only thing that bike didn't have was the blipper and cruise control.
Actually this crazy bike is working better than an HP4, better suspensions, better brakes, handle like a push bike... This is dumb but this is why i love it so much and more than my previous S1000R or S1000RR ^^
The S1000R has longer gear ratios (gear (4-6) and chain sprocket). This means you have fewer engine revs on longer tours, making it much more suitable for the "Autobahn"
And I've gone and done the mad thing of changing the gearing to match the 17/47 on the M, by fitting 15/45 on the S. I love it so much, tomorrow I'm going to change it to 15/46!
@@lordgibbness You happy with 15/45 on the S1000R? Doesn´t it wheelie too much? I´m getting a 2024 any day now and I was thinking about lighter gears. I got also a S1000RR and for the track and with a 195/65 rear tyre I went for 15/46, but that is a RR and a taller rear tyre.
@@MrBeranekx I have the forged wheels (worth getting for the floating front discs and 200 section rear tyre). 15/45 and 15/46 are really fun! 15/45 is the same as the 6th speed gearing on the M1R. If you want to tour a little on the bike then 15/44 or 15/43 are probably better though. But the bike feels like it lacks low end grunt with the 17/45 gearing, so dropping at least one tooth up front is definitely worthwhile.
The world would be a better place if bike journo's checked themselves with regards to naked bikes and wind blast. It's akin to pointing out that whilst kayaking, you may get wet 🤪
Racket??? You'd freak hearing my Indian FTR 1200 with cat delete and Sawicki Speed pipe!!! Might be too loud but I can't say I really care.. I love it!!
Startup idle defeated with a tune. Before I tuned it and got the full titanium Akra kit, that startup is brutal! Mirrors...absolute trash at speed. Which is why I changed mine out. But I love this bike.
@@alexnutcasio936 When is that extra power needed for the street unless youre racing? The autobahn? I could see that but thats ONE location and thats reaching. Any other reason you need to go 180+ on the street in about 10 seconds? How many people are actaully skilled enough to do an emergency stop on a literbike going that fast. Unless youre a professional WSBK/BSB Superbike racer.... fucking no one. ABS cannot save lack of skill.
Enjoyed this long term review. There was a point I think where talk of the nippy Norman’s tank bag said it was all good and solid at 160mph + If this is what was said and not that my hearing is failing me, please can you explain how it is possible to travel at this speed on a naked motorcycle
Don’t agree that when you start it it sounds like a load of nuts and bolts, mine is as sweet as a nut and very quiet, and I can see traffic in the mirrors even up to 70mph I don’t have to turn my head to see if there something behind me, you could pick the bones out of any bike. The M1000R is an amazing top notch bike best bike Ive ever owned.
Found it strange that the keyless doesn't combine the petrol tank flap operation as it does on my GS and other models I think, why would they omit that?
If it is not keyless you always know where the key is... And BMW has a brilliant bike if you want to ride in comfort... Most Police forces use it and it also sleeps in my shed...
I had the Triumph Speed Triple 1200rs , amazing bike but once again a total waste of time in the Uk , 1st gear is already at the speed limit, totally pointless. For the Uk the only bike worth getting is the G310r and just ride around at 30 mph . I know that sounds stupid but the IS the reality of it. I did national down the A3 then its a 50 mph for a few miles then back to 70 mph and I was just riding along thinking 🤔 “ what an absolute bore this is “ I sold it back to the dealer. Waste of a bike , waste of money and a total waste of time. This bike if you lived in Germany would be an absolute delight to own 👍🏾
Hello MCN, I have a Chinese scooter and it has a engine management light lite up engine running or not. Can you recommend a ECU Diagnostic tool which will help finding the fault codes. The bike does smoke a bit and I want to rule out any sensor faults before cracking the head open. It could possibly be the piston rings and valve seals knackered. But I need to make sure its not a sensor fault I suppose thats what happens when you don't buy Japanese motorcycles. Lesson learned. Cheers
BMW dealer told me that it is related to the place needed under the tank and the weight focused project. Esay to do on a GS but not on a bike like this one
Why didn’t BMW make the front like the Tuono? I have an S1000R and every time I ride it and look over the front it just doesn’t look finished ! From the forks back I think it’s a great looking bike even the industrial exhaust is a work of art to me.
I used to have a V10 5.2 litre saloon car that wasn't warmed up till 100mph. I also had an S1000r standard which I liked first of all until I realized it could not wheelie because of 'Nanny State' computer. I would love a go on one of these
What do you mean it couldn't wheelie lmao, it most certainly can, just put it in dynamic pro, or better yet disable TC with literally a single button. RTFM...
A 200hp bike should always have a screen. That's why I'm not a fan of super/naked bikes. To me, it doesn't make sense. It must be so uncomfortable riding it on the motorway.
I tried both and went for the M . Easy to ride when you need to take it gently . Very fast bike when the opportunity presents . Touring ? ⬆️ just no ..😂
187 bhp at the wheel? Thats ~209 bhp at the crank, seemingly a lot more than this guy thinks this bike has. I do wonder why someone would get this over the faired version with same motor and suspension. I dont get fast naked bikes given the wind blast these bikes generate in the blink of an eye. Maybe thats part of the reviewers complaint for this naked although it sounds mostly like he doesnt live in location that this bike can be fully explored
I had a gen 2 S1000R and yes I also felt a bit weird about not being able to use most of the performance on the road and that its potential was being wasted. Now I'm tempted by an S1000XR, which is more of a relaxed style of machine (but still very rapid) and I hope I don't feel the same frustration!
Yup I currently own a gen2 single R and believe it or not I didn't buy it for its cc it's that for the price it's was the best bag for buck. £8k to be precise. Used 765 triumphs go for that amount sooo does the Mt09 sp. So for the spec the bmw was a no brainier. No way was I going to pay that kind of money to get less also lover spec liter bikes also sold for the same price
I don't understand why anyone would ever buy an R instead of the XR outside of looks, and it's not like the R is a pretty bike so probably not even that... The XR handles better than the R at road speeds and is all around much more capable everywhere apart from the track, and even there, there is very little difference.
Someone may have said this already, but, if it works the same (keyless ride) on the M as on my R1200GS and K1600GTL! You only have to turn off the ignition and the release can operate on the gas cap.
This is the only thing that made me concerned. I had 2016 S1000R back in 2016-2017 and it was buzzy, and it was my last bmw. I didn’t realize how buzzy it was until I purchased 2017 Tuono and all of the sudden mirrors didn’t vibrate. I have had many bikes since, but no BMW, mostly Ducati and KTM. I put a deposit down for MXR and fingers crossed this issue won’t make me hate the bike as I am sensitive to this one thing. Honestly when I rented more recent XRs I didn’t notice that much issue with the vibes and that gives me hope.
Some people are more proned to feel that than others. It was more problematic on my first S1000R (gen1) that it was on my gen 2. And this one is not a problem for me at all in an everyday use, even on road trips. I think you all don't have the same sensibility to that and mybe the height of who is using the bike have an incidence on how problematic it could be
It's nonsense. People moan about vibes all the time but these bikes are smoother than a baby's bottom, and even if there is a little tingle, heavy bar ends all but make them disappear.
National speed limit ! Very sad but as Local councils got ride of most of them .what’s left of 60 roads soon be Gone for 50 or 40 with average speed cameras . Think it’s the end of biking . Just be cheap commuting bikes and most bike dealer will be closed down in next few years .
@@paulhope3401 I always been a law binding citizen . But the fudging reasons to lower the speed limits and what ever they want to change to make life harder has made wonder why. I've asked for E1 11 forms (road survey ) and absolutely no reasons for changing 60 to 40 been no accidents on 60mph stretch of country road near other than drink driving or mini low speed but advised changing 60 to 40 due to poor road surface . That's why I'm all for the blade runners . only thing hitting us head is the control state .
Manchester City Council are proposing to drop all non national speed limit roads in Manchester to 30mph. All in the name of reducing emissions. So frustrating!
@@saintsteve just as emissions got cleaner . Now drive snail speed makes any difference. I keep my track bike but o probably be selling the super duke in spring . No fun anymore . It’s Not just this country . World gone mad
Totally agree 👍🏾 I had the Triumph Speed triple 1200rs for a year, honestly I’m not making this up… 1st gear .. pull away and it’s ALREADY at the speed limit 30 mph …. Totally and utterly useless for the Uk !😢 I sold it back last year, so an M1000R great bike but completely almost unusable!
Can you do a compare video of M n S, couldn't find any difference apart from couple of kgs less weight in M but M = More than double the price of S, where does this get justified?
This is just too stupid to be taken seriously. I own a M1000R, and some of the issues mentioned here holds true, but criticising it for lack of luggage space, not enough wind and weather protection and criticising a bike which is made for performance for delivering just that, for being too loud on startup and for "egging" you on is just unintelligent. It is like criticising a Ferrari 488 for being too low, too cramped, too small and being from Italy. It is hard to take this seriously as it is so evident that the reviwer is trying to be politically correct and ends up being silly. Come on MCN, you can do better. This is pure nonsense.
I own an M1000R, so thought I would address one or two issues raised in this review...
1: There was a lot of talk of how loud the bike is when idling. This was news to me. I live in a quiet village, own multiple bikes and not once did I think the BMW was loud. The thought did not even cross my mind. Any bike with a slipon exhaust would be louder.
2: Bad vibrations. I own a Hayabusa and an H2 as well, and of the 3 bikes, the H2 is the smoothest as it has two counterbalancers. The Busa and the M1000R are similar in that both are smooth with slight vibes around 4000 rpm and then once you rev past that point all these inline fours are just as smooth. If you're doing 75 or 80mph in the top gear on the M1000R the engine is quite smooth. I've owned parallel twins, boxer twins and those bikes can get properly vibey.
3: I think there was a mention that you can't have brake lever guards because of bar end mirrors. This is nonsense. Just see Evotech for clutch and lever guards that work with the mirrors.
4: Mirrors - There was a comment that bar end mirrors are not "right" for this bike, and belong to a retro bike or something. Same people at MCN would fall over themselves if they were reviewing a Triumph Street Triple RS and fanboy at the bar end mirrors on that bike. So a bit disingenuous I think.
Final point to anyone considering this bike is to test ride it. I did 3 test rides before buying one as I was having an absolute blast each time. The M1000R is a fun bike and a total animal. Emphasis on fun! You can commute, tour and take it to the track. BMW dealers I have found (at least the one I went to) are quite chilled out and let you take the bike for a long ride and not some 30 minute excuse of a test ride, so give it a go if you're in the market.
i was a bit frustrated by the sound under the exhaust valve opening..(more or less 4500 rpm) So i just put the small motor (and the two cables that go to the valve) away and put an small electronic device to avoid an error, and now the sound is as it should have been from scratch. More grunt, louder but not in a bad way. When you ride it even at low revs it's a charm you fall for every time...
"You don't need wings on the road" yeah you don't need 200hp, massive tires, 4 cylinders, fancy brakes, nice style or any other list of things. If you want only what you need buy a 300cc scooter or a hatchback.
It's for the fun of it, the thrill, the sound, the look. That's why! How do bikers not understand this 🤔
Totally agree, complaining about the noise and power is beyond me…
Couldn’t agree more
Stop using titles like “…too much for the road.” The politicians we hate that pass the road laws won’t care enough to read the article and will use the headline as a reason to strangle motorcycling even more, in the name of safety! Car magazines put stuff like that in the article rather than title, reducing the chance that it reaches the wrong eyes. Please pass this along to other journalists and influencers, etc. etc.
Second that
The M1000r is actually pretty gutless, it can get dangerous when it's so slow that you are unable to get it up to 70mph on motorway sliproads... more power would make it much safer. 😊
How is a 600 or a 750 not enough for road use? Unless your racing other literbikes and hypercars on the road constantly, theyre useless for the road.
Well said Robert . We love MCN but use your head guys we do not want bikes that bore us comments like this will strangle us in the uk with the bed wetting safety muppets.
@@paulhope3401200bhp bike gutless? Bro stop lol.
Yer man with the hair sounds like he's inhaling helium when hes speaking😂
I REALLY like the way these guys review! So practical and the things most of us want to know. You don’t have to agree with their opinions but they are really looking for the right things! Good work folks!
I’ve got the s version they both can do eye watering speeds but we love em. Fantastic bit of engineering.
I’ve done 50k kms on a 2015 s1000rr and your review summarises so much of my bike too. Great intelligent review. LJK Setright said many years ago that a BMW feels like it is carved out of one piece of timber and that is one of the best things about the bike.
All the cons r nothing the bike is doing wrong or underperforming on. There is nothing sensible or practical about this bike for road use. It is made for a very specific reason and only that. Its kind of annoying you guys buy an apple and complain that its not like an orange. Its an advanced practically racing liter bike without fairings lol...
I bought the competition version in summer 2023 after listening to everyone saying how they hate keyless I was apprehensive, but I love it I replaced the fuel cap with a quarter turn billet cap that sorts out the problem of digging in your pockets for the key.
I put the key in a zip pocket in my jacket and that’s it until I park the bike back in the garage.
I own a 2022 850gs and its fully keyless including the fuel cap. I wonder why Bmv omitted it on this bike.
Not sure tbh why not totally keyless but I love the look of the quarter turn filler cap just for style 😁👍
I’ll sum it up, it’s an absolute masterpiece of a bike …. Totally useless in the UK simple
I’ve had a 2014 S1000R for the last five years. I found your review very relatable. Effortless on the road, sometimes a little too much so, but open it up on a track and it feels so special. I can’t imagine it not being in my collection now.
Any mods / upgrades made ? My 2014 is well out of warranty but bone stock with 30 k .
I had a close call with a fast camaro on the freeway last week and I'm now feeling like I need more power lol
@@mycoolD Bro if you struggle against a Camaro with a S1000R in a straight line, you are doing something very very wrong.
@resetyoutub.... it was zl1 camaro, It's no joke and I said it was closer than I liked. Thanks for answering the question or providing any useful info ...a$$
@@mycoolD only cosmetics mods like tail tidy and screen. I think BMW did a great job with the mechanicals.
The cold start on BMWs is my favourite feature! Always loud on almost all start ups! 💯
That was very good - many thanks. You can't beat this kind of long term review by a pro.
This review confirms that my S1000RR was the right choice. I don't have a problem with the more focussed riding position and I prefer both the looks and the wind protection. And I got a 2022 model without wings.
I think the s1000rr riding position makes more sense with any supersport amount of power.
I feel the same guilt riding mine sometimes and it’s the 160hp version. Was behind a kid on a 250 the other day and he lost me in the twisties. Thought about selling all week after
Thats because you're not a very good rider.....
I used to do this to R6's on my little Derbi back in the day. I bounced better back then.
wheelbase bro... a short wheelbase and skinny 17" wheels will run circles around a liter bike in slow/medium speed twisties...
Moto3 cornering speeds esp at entry is 20-40 kph higher than motogp bikes because of that, and that is WITHOUT aero
Ride your own ride brother
This video does a disservice to the entire community. I have a s1000rr that spends most it's road time sport touring at speed limits. I enjoy the power on tap when needed and have no problem not being a child 😮
This doesn't have a built-in satnav, it has TFT integration with the nav functions of the BMW Connected Ride phone app, like BMW's other bikes with a TFT.
Same difference
Saying this bike is too much isn't contentious - it's pure fact if looked at objectively. I own a couple of Triumphs, the newest being a 2023 Speed Triple RS. Anything over 110/120hp is far (far) more than you need for the road. Anything pushing 150+ is really just a track bike that is road legal. Most riders (if they're honest with themselves) also don't have the skills to truly get out of a super naked all that it can truly do - I know I don't, I just wanted a challenge! Now this all doesn't mean you can't love bikes like this, and I certainly love mine and commute to work on it (not far) all year in virtually all weather (outside of the very rare snow or ice), but anyone who thinks they 'need' something like this for the street is fooling themselves or dead-set upon hooliganism on the roads. No judgment intended since I ride one of these litre bikes myself, but I did buy it so that I could finally have a proper track bike as I'd out-grown what I was able to do with my mid-size sports bike that I used to use - being able to ride my Speed Triple to work in relative comfort (since it's a naked) is just a bonus.
Good review although i disagreed with some of the negatives, especially the vibrations witch i have no issues ,at 77 i have had owned and still do a lot of naked bikes incl five BMW 1000 ,s which i kept upgrading .I now have a Black Carbon m1000r with out doubt it ranks as joint top of my favourite bikes alongside my Ducati Street fighter sp2 closely followed by my 765 Triumph Street Triple ,if you never ridden one get a test ride even the good value standard version but be prepared to empty the Bank.
Mate I have a K6GSXR 1000 it's 16 year old during the summer i had it out , first three gears seen the shift light,, I'm 57,so it can happen to anyone,, control is the riders choice,, don't need a 200 BHP for a pant filling day out ,, and a ban ,,☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland ,that I thought was the best bike out last year,,it does everything awesome 👍
Great review I have just got a m1000r and looking forward to the summer.
For you all with average speed cameras and just so many cameras in general I don't think I'd have more than 100-150hp in a bike. Luckily in the U.S. we have a lot of space and at least fewer cameras (no average speed ones that I'm aware of). Thought about ordering a M 1000R but ended up with a ZH2 SE as it ended up being $4k+ cheaper.
Luckily you have less cameras and restrictions
Also here in the UK we also have undercover police which is worse than the camera as cameras you know where they are
Just makes me want it more and more, I'm stuck between this and the new KTM 1390r.
Same
"The superbike is loud" is not a negative!
Thanks for the captions Joseph. You fuc#£ng rule♥️
A few videos ago you said your performance tested the m1000r against the s1000r. I’ve not seen it in the paper or on video but I think a lot of people would be really interested in those results 🙂
I still have my 2011 K 1300 S and I love that bike. This was a really fabulous review of a bike. I think I’m gonna test ride, but I’m not gonna purchase it because I’m used to a fairing out in front of me, something to tuck in behind, and has mounts for saddlebags. The buzz in the handlebars on the hands and the mirrors is the same I believe for all inline fours. Both Honda CBR’s I had 1000f, and Blackbird had the same vibrations. Great review fellas! Thx.
The Suzuki GSXS1000's engine is extremely smooth, and comes stock with saddlebags and cruise control. However, I would consider it to be more of a "fat" 600cc bike. I had the F version, and it was a shockingly small motorcycle.
Nice review, but WHY NO ANY VIDEO FOOTAGE??!! of the cold start, of the way it pulls on the 6th gear and other staff, this is not a podcast, is it?
This owner was a treat to view and listen.
Nothing is too much for the road... If it is, then a 250cc+ is too much for the road
Original leverguards do fit with the mirrors. For luggage use the pillion seat, they have standard loops
WOO HOO!!! Indian FTR 1200!!! Honestly, I absolutely love mine maybe more than sex itself but I'm also very interested in picking up a M1000R(R) The only thing you get from the BMW over the Indian is the top end speed. If you have an itch to go waaaaaay past 150, you need a superbike. Everything under that huge top speed rush, I can't find anything better than my Indian.
which one is more comfortable, if you are 6'3" tall, the bmw s1000rr or the ducati v4 R ?
Ì have both both comfortable, probably the BMW but nothing in it.
Get a hepco & Becker sport rack like me problem solved I tour on my tuono factory 🤷🏼♂️
Imagine the hosts voice on helium …, 😅
Name a bike that isn’t “Too much for the road”. You cannot use any >600cc bike anywhere near its full potential on the road. So it’s a good thing that the throttle isn’t just an on/off switch.
I've a small engine car as well that I cant use to it's full potential I hate that argument. Unless it's a 50cc moped you are not using any engine to it's full potential. It's not formula 1 of noto gp ffs no one needs to extract maximum performance all the time out of the engine. Sorry for the rant! I'm not directing it at you I agree with you!
@@eddmelter1012completely agree. My wife drives a Kia picanto and the thing can go 160kmph … the speed limit on motorway is 120kmph. Can’t get a smaller engine in a car… I better tell her to get a 125 cc scooter…. Oh balls wait.. they’ll go 130kmph… still too fast. I wish my wife had self control 🤔
Is this an HP4 in naked guise? You could say all the positives about that 10 yr old bike down to the stock Akrapovic exhaust.. The only thing that bike didn't have was the blipper and cruise control.
Actually this crazy bike is working better than an HP4, better suspensions, better brakes, handle like a push bike... This is dumb but this is why i love it so much and more than my previous S1000R or S1000RR ^^
A 1000 horsepower car is too much for the road and yet keonegsegggggeeeee sell them all the time. Nobody ever said..it’s too much
Do you know the difference between a car and a motorcycle?
Too much for the road? Nah. As he said, too little self control.
This bike looks absolutely brilliant. Too fast for me, though. I'm really enjoying this long-term test series.
The S1000R has longer gear ratios (gear (4-6) and chain sprocket). This means you have fewer engine revs on longer tours, making it much more suitable for the "Autobahn"
And I've gone and done the mad thing of changing the gearing to match the 17/47 on the M, by fitting 15/45 on the S. I love it so much, tomorrow I'm going to change it to 15/46!
@@lordgibbness You happy with 15/45 on the S1000R? Doesn´t it wheelie too much? I´m getting a 2024 any day now and I was thinking about lighter gears. I got also a S1000RR and for the track and with a 195/65 rear tyre I went for 15/46, but that is a RR and a taller rear tyre.
@@MrBeranekx I have the forged wheels (worth getting for the floating front discs and 200 section rear tyre). 15/45 and 15/46 are really fun! 15/45 is the same as the 6th speed gearing on the M1R. If you want to tour a little on the bike then 15/44 or 15/43 are probably better though. But the bike feels like it lacks low end grunt with the 17/45 gearing, so dropping at least one tooth up front is definitely worthwhile.
Thanks for the feedback. @@lordgibbness
The world would be a better place if bike journo's checked themselves with regards to naked bikes and wind blast. It's akin to pointing out that whilst kayaking, you may get wet 🤪
Great review, thank you very much!
The old s1000r is too much for the road. That’s not what it’s about though is it.
Racket??? You'd freak hearing my Indian FTR 1200 with cat delete and Sawicki Speed pipe!!! Might be too loud but I can't say I really care.. I love it!!
Startup idle defeated with a tune. Before I tuned it and got the full titanium Akra kit, that startup is brutal! Mirrors...absolute trash at speed. Which is why I changed mine out. But I love this bike.
A liter sportsbike being too much for the road??? you dont say....
Shhh...
Its not the BIKE that's too much for the road, its the rider thats too little for the bike.....
@@alexnutcasio936 When is that extra power needed for the street unless youre racing? The autobahn? I could see that but thats ONE location and thats reaching. Any other reason you need to go 180+ on the street in about 10 seconds? How many people are actaully skilled enough to do an emergency stop on a literbike going that fast. Unless youre a professional WSBK/BSB Superbike racer.... fucking no one. ABS cannot save lack of skill.
I put an alpha racing (twm) fuel cap on to get rid of that issue. Also an rs2e remap sorted the cold start!
Awesome, thank you!✊✊
Honestly, I have a hard enough time using all 125hp on my 2020 z900, can't even fathom something like the M1000r.
Enjoyed this long term review. There was a point I think where talk of the nippy Norman’s tank bag said it was all good and solid at 160mph + If this is what was said and not that my hearing is failing me, please can you explain how it is possible to travel at this speed on a naked motorcycle
How is it possible? It's extremely uncomfortable and you won't want to do it for long, but it's easily possible.
Thank you for the review.
He said plenty of manufacturers "do, do" that.
30:58 - "When you're on a runway." 😂
Loved this review! ❤
Don’t agree that when you start it it sounds like a load of nuts and bolts, mine is as sweet as a nut and very quiet, and I can see traffic in the mirrors even up to 70mph I don’t have to turn my head to see if there something behind me, you could pick the bones out of any bike. The M1000R is an amazing top notch bike best bike Ive ever owned.
Very insightful 👍👍
And thats why i just got a new supermoto so much fun sub 100mph
Feel bad saying this because it was very thorough, but it was a bit dry just running through a big list.
Found it strange that the keyless doesn't combine the petrol tank flap operation as it does on my GS and other models I think, why would they omit that?
If it is not keyless you always know where the key is... And BMW has a brilliant bike if you want to ride in comfort... Most Police forces use it and it also sleeps in my shed...
Vibration,hands numb??? from an inlined four.Something must be wrong with the engine?
It has no balancers so it makes more power. These are secondary vibes, not primary...
The bikes not to fast for the road, the rider is not intelligent enough to ride it.
Evotech Performance do lever protectors that work with the original bar end mirrors.
Evotech Performance make lever guards with mirror fitment, for M1000R. They have heavier bar weights too, which improve vibration
Apparently they weigh within a few grams, from what I read... But I haven't tried them.
@@lordgibbness Standard setup weights in at 103g per side, while our new version is 309g per side
@@teej710 ah, have they been made heavier recently? When I bought my bike in 2022 people were saying they were similar weights?
I had the Triumph Speed Triple 1200rs , amazing bike but once again a total waste of time in the Uk , 1st gear is already at the speed limit, totally pointless. For the Uk the only bike worth getting is the G310r and just ride around at 30 mph . I know that sounds stupid but the IS the reality of it. I did national down the A3 then its a 50 mph for a few miles then back to 70 mph and I was just riding along thinking 🤔 “ what an absolute bore this is “ I sold it back to the dealer. Waste of a bike , waste of money and a total waste of time. This bike if you lived in Germany would be an absolute delight to own 👍🏾
“Sound wonderful” WELL LETS HEAR IT THEN LADS?!
This or the 1390 SDR Evo? I can't make up my mind.
Hello MCN, I have a Chinese scooter and it has a engine management light lite up engine running or not.
Can you recommend a ECU Diagnostic tool which will help finding the fault codes.
The bike does smoke a bit and I want to rule out any sensor faults before cracking the head open.
It could possibly be the piston rings and valve seals knackered. But I need to make sure its not a sensor fault
I suppose thats what happens when you don't buy Japanese motorcycles. Lesson learned.
Cheers
Would an Autel one work?
Fantastic❤👍👍
Grunting about tank cap is not keyless 😂😂😂
At that price I would to..
Probably been said many times before. But the exhaust pipes on new bikes are a monstrosity.
below the slip on looks like a collection of parts from a scrap yard, its like they went "these will do"
The ilmberger bellypan fixes that, or akra headers, or both!
you mean "shut up and take my money" :D ^^@@lordgibbness
The no keyless gas cap is very odd. My 2017 RS has keyless and the gas cap is included in that.
BMW dealer told me that it is related to the place needed under the tank and the weight focused project. Esay to do on a GS but not on a bike like this one
Will say there is luggage straps under the seat cowl
You want the bike to sound nice drop a few gears, more revs same speed. Put brain in gear.
Why didn’t BMW make the front like the Tuono? I have an S1000R and every time I ride it and look over the front it just doesn’t look finished ! From the forks back I think it’s a great looking bike even the industrial exhaust is a work of art to me.
I ended up with both those bikes. They really are the perfect combination!
Sounds like he does get that it’s a super sports bike?
I used to have a V10 5.2 litre saloon car that wasn't warmed up till 100mph. I also had an S1000r standard which I liked first of all until I realized it could not wheelie because of 'Nanny State' computer. I would love a go on one of these
What do you mean it couldn't wheelie lmao, it most certainly can, just put it in dynamic pro, or better yet disable TC with literally a single button. RTFM...
The rider clearly didn't want to test ride the motorbike.
That was good fun. It was different without Neevesy, but a change etc...
Please stop saying Er and Erm!!! I just can't watch anything with Dan in it anymore
A 200hp bike should always have a screen. That's why I'm not a fan of super/naked bikes. To me, it doesn't make sense. It must be so uncomfortable riding it on the motorway.
Probably replacing my bike in the summer, I’m torn between this and the Streetfighter V4.
Ducati all the way to go if you can afford, bmw still lacks in every perspective, engine, suspension, brakes and STYLING 😉
@@Dzinbhudist noted
I tried both and went for the M . Easy to ride when you need to take it gently . Very fast bike when the opportunity presents . Touring ? ⬆️ just no ..😂
@@michaelmam thanks. I’d be swapping over from a ZX10 so I’m guessing it would still be a damn site easier on the wrists. 😂
Aprilla Tuono V4 Factory?
Why not build a 170HP M1000RS with a full body protective fairing?
You mean an S1000RR??? Or an S1000XR??? haha
Arent all 1000cc bikes too much for the road?
Needs a bigger bellypan to hide the bread tin but otherwise I'd love one.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Bread tin
Ilmberger do a lovely full length carbon one...
@@lordgibbness looks like problem solved he can now enjoy purchasing one. Win win
Eh, i have a 2024 s1000rr. Kinda wish it was faster. I need a motogp bike.
187 bhp at the wheel? Thats ~209 bhp at the crank, seemingly a lot more than this guy thinks this bike has. I do wonder why someone would get this over the faired version with same motor and suspension. I dont get fast naked bikes given the wind blast these bikes generate in the blink of an eye. Maybe thats part of the reviewers complaint for this naked although it sounds mostly like he doesnt live in location that this bike can be fully explored
Id buy it over a faired version simply because I prefer the naked look, and flat bars over clip ons anyday!
Its all in the throttle hand.
I had a gen 2 S1000R and yes I also felt a bit weird about not being able to use most of the performance on the road and that its potential was being wasted. Now I'm tempted by an S1000XR, which is more of a relaxed style of machine (but still very rapid) and I hope I don't feel the same frustration!
Yup I currently own a gen2 single R and believe it or not I didn't buy it for its cc it's that for the price it's was the best bag for buck.
£8k to be precise.
Used 765 triumphs go for that amount sooo does the Mt09 sp. So for the spec the bmw was a no brainier. No way was I going to pay that kind of money to get less also lover spec liter bikes also sold for the same price
I don't understand why anyone would ever buy an R instead of the XR outside of looks, and it's not like the R is a pretty bike so probably not even that... The XR handles better than the R at road speeds and is all around much more capable everywhere apart from the track, and even there, there is very little difference.
Someone may have said this already, but, if it works the same (keyless ride) on the M as on my R1200GS and K1600GTL! You only have to turn off the ignition and the release can operate on the gas cap.
After hearing the negatives especially the vibration issue I didn't bother with the positives since I am not going to get one.
This is the only thing that made me concerned. I had 2016 S1000R back in 2016-2017 and it was buzzy, and it was my last bmw. I didn’t realize how buzzy it was until I purchased 2017 Tuono and all of the sudden mirrors didn’t vibrate. I have had many bikes since, but no BMW, mostly Ducati and KTM. I put a deposit down for MXR and fingers crossed this issue won’t make me hate the bike as I am sensitive to this one thing. Honestly when I rented more recent XRs I didn’t notice that much issue with the vibes and that gives me hope.
Some people are more proned to feel that than others. It was more problematic on my first S1000R (gen1) that it was on my gen 2. And this one is not a problem for me at all in an everyday use, even on road trips. I think you all don't have the same sensibility to that and mybe the height of who is using the bike have an incidence on how problematic it could be
It's nonsense. People moan about vibes all the time but these bikes are smoother than a baby's bottom, and even if there is a little tingle, heavy bar ends all but make them disappear.
"Crashed alien". Brilliant. Germany can't do pretty motorcycles.
Honestly, the mirrors on my s1000xr are also pretty much useless. Not so much from vibrations, but they need to be moved outboard.
I have fixed 50% of that vibration with heavier bar ends 😉
Yes same for single r all shoulders
National speed limit ! Very sad but as Local councils got ride of most of them .what’s left of 60 roads soon be Gone for 50 or 40 with average speed cameras . Think it’s the end of biking . Just be cheap commuting bikes and most bike dealer will be closed down in next few years .
End of motorcycling? I suspect flippable plate holders will just become more popular.
@@paulhope3401 I always been a law binding citizen . But the fudging reasons to lower the speed limits and what ever they want to change to make life harder has made wonder why. I've asked for E1 11 forms (road survey )
and absolutely no reasons for changing 60 to 40 been no accidents on 60mph stretch of country road near other than drink driving or mini low speed but advised changing 60 to 40 due to poor road surface . That's why
I'm all for the blade runners . only thing hitting us head is the control state .
Manchester City Council are proposing to drop all non national speed limit roads in Manchester to 30mph. All in the name of reducing emissions. So frustrating!
@@saintsteve just as emissions got cleaner . Now drive snail speed makes any difference.
I keep my track bike but o probably be selling the super duke in spring . No fun anymore . It’s Not just this country . World gone mad
Totally agree 👍🏾 I had the Triumph Speed triple 1200rs for a year, honestly I’m not making this up… 1st gear .. pull away and it’s ALREADY at the speed limit 30 mph …. Totally and utterly useless for the Uk !😢 I sold it back last year, so an M1000R great bike but completely almost unusable!
BMW Motorrad could do with a decent stylist. Graphics on that bike are hideous
Standard 165 hp
Can you do a compare video of M n S, couldn't find any difference apart from couple of kgs less weight in M but M = More than double the price of S, where does this get justified?
Not for me
Boring life without risk
This is just too stupid to be taken seriously. I own a M1000R, and some of the issues mentioned here holds true, but criticising it for lack of luggage space, not enough wind and weather protection and criticising a bike which is made for performance for delivering just that, for being too loud on startup and for "egging" you on is just unintelligent. It is like criticising a Ferrari 488 for being too low, too cramped, too small and being from Italy. It is hard to take this seriously as it is so evident that the reviwer is trying to be politically correct and ends up being silly. Come on MCN, you can do better. This is pure nonsense.